[04:39] <timdrake> hi guys
[04:39] <timdrake> need help about printing here
[04:43] <HedgeMage> timdrake: Just ask your question, if someone can answer, they will.
[04:45] <timdrake> ok
[04:45] <timdrake> the print out is too small, printer model is lx300 im using ubuntu 9.04
[04:46] <HedgeMage> what program are you printing from?
[04:46] <timdrake> open office spreadsheet
[04:51] <HedgeMage> Okay, one of a couple of things is likely going wrong:
[04:52] <HedgeMage> The font you are using may be smaller than you think, and it looks a reasonable size because you are zoomed in on the spreadsheet in the edit window.
[04:53] <timdrake> ok
[04:53] <timdrake> i tried changing the font tru spreadsheet but still the print out is small
[04:53] <HedgeMage> Another common possibility is that in your page style dialogue, you have set a scaling factor, or forced it to fit something to a page rather than spreading it over multiple pages
[04:53] <timdrake> ok
[04:53] <timdrake> scaling
[04:54] <timdrake> i'll try that
[04:55] <timdrake> thanks
[04:55] <HedgeMage> np!
[14:23] <Dmorais> Hi folks
[17:21] <dgroos> Hi folks--I thought I ought to say that, since school has started, I can no longer make it to the Wed. 19:00 UTC meetings.
[17:21] <dgroos> not that I always made it before but still...
[17:36] <dinda> dgroos: would it help if future meetings were moved to evening hours?
[17:43] <dgroos> dinda: I would appreciate the option to participate for sure; I can't commit to making it to all of them so I'd say don't just move them for me.  Thanks.
[17:43] <dinda> dgroos: will add it to the agenda today, see if others have thoughts on the idea - would be easier for me in evenings too
[17:49] <dgroos> Thanks dinda.  And, I understand that a property of a spherical planet is that all hours are present somewhere on our planet at any one time :-)
[18:03] <alkisg> Meeting in 2 hours?
[19:56] <highvoltage> alkisg: yeppity
[20:00] <highvoltage> Edubuntu Meeting Time!
[21:55] <vmlintu> dinda: I just realized that there was a discussion on #ubuntu-meeting about Ubuntu usage in schools - here's a map of schools using Ubuntu/LTSP in Finland: http://bit.ly/amFiOO (google maps)
[21:55] <dinda> vmlintu: awesome - thanks!
[21:56] <vmlintu> I doubt anyone calls it Edubuntu, though..
[22:02] <dinda> vmlintu: that's ok, any school using Ubuntu is on my radar, thanks
[22:05] <vmlintu> dinda: if you need more information, I have something to do with almost all listed installations..
[22:09] <dinda> vmlintu: are you a consultant doing installations?
[22:11] <highvoltage> vmlintu: that is *really* cool
[22:11] <vmlintu> dinda: service provider actually
[22:12] <dinda> vmlintu: nice work!
[22:13] <vmlintu> dinda: we do only schools and provide full service so that there's no need for ubuntu knowledge at schools
[22:17] <dinda> vmlintu: looks like you've got a great business success
[22:17] <alkisg> vmlintu: are you paid by individual schools, by the ministry, or...?
[22:17] <dinda> vmlintu: does the government help support and promote FOSS?
[22:18] <vmlintu> alkisg: depends, sometimes it's cities, something individual schools
[22:18] <alkisg> Good work :)
[22:19] <vmlintu> alkisg: schools are run by cities, so no direct government money
[22:19] <alkisg> Ah, here we have a team that tries to make ubuntu suitable for greek schools, that runs with government money...
[22:19] <alkisg> ...we need to make such a map too, though :)
[22:20] <vmlintu> dinda: government funds some limited time projects, but they pay the money to schools that run the projects. There are some projects that promote FOSS, though..
[22:22] <vmlintu> dinda: here's something from last spring: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/mista-on-hyvat-koulu-tehty
[22:22] <dinda> alkisg: your work in Greece is it funded by the schools or government?
[22:22] <alkisg> government
[22:23] <alkisg> There are about 50-100 schools using linux, mostly ubuntu/ltsp, and we're trying to automate/support their installations as best as we can
[22:24] <alkisg> I'm sure the user base will grow over time..
[22:25] <alkisg> E.g. last here about 120.000 netbooks were given to students, we managed to have them dual booted (windows/ubuntu)
[22:25] <vmlintu> dinda: there's also COSS (the Finnish Centre for Open Source Solutions) that runs Educoss (http://www.coss.fi/en/educoss) that promotes FOSS for schools
[22:25] <alkisg> *last year
[22:25] <highvoltage> dinda: do you think we should have a canonical/edubuntu session at UDS?
[22:26] <dinda> highvoltage: it won't hurt to put it out there - I've got a family committment on Oct. 26 so won't be able to get out there until the 27th, Wed
[22:26] <dinda> highvoltage: and as of right now I don't know if that will just be as a community member or 'something else'
[22:27] <dinda> highvoltage: I'm more than happy to keep promoting all things education as 'just a community member' and will do so no matter what happens with my day job :)
[22:28] <dinda> vmlintu: that is great stuff, just the kind of stories I've been looking for
[22:29] <vmlintu> dinda: here's one more: http://www.osor.eu/news/fi-over-a-hundred-schools-using-open-source
[22:30] <dinda> vmlintu: as a service provider is there anything Canonical could do to help you?  anything you'd like to see them promote or offer?  like academic support options?  or is it enough to just send all Finnish language and schools in finland to your company?  :)
[22:33] <highvoltage> dinda: ok, I'll make sure it's for later in the week
[22:34] <highvoltage> dinda: having you there as a community member will be plenty good enough for me
[22:35] <vmlintu> dinda: that's a good question
[22:35] <dinda> highvoltage: aw, thanks,  it's just so nice to actually have some free time lately to work on some of this stuff
[22:36] <vmlintu> dinda: I'd guess that most of the schools we work with wouldn't use ubuntu if they didn't get support in finnish. And most of the problems we deal with have nothing to do with ubuntu itself..
[22:37] <dinda> vmlintu: that's good to know - so like hardware issues?
[22:39] <vmlintu> dinda: network problems, help with user management, hardware issues, training, openoffice usage, firefox extensions, proprietary software, etc..
[22:40] <dinda> vmlintu: so the standard technology problems for any deployment
[22:40] <vmlintu> dinda: you could say so..
[22:43] <dinda> vmlintu: was there any resistance from teachers?  or have most adapted well?
[22:47] <vmlintu> dinda: we provide training at first for teachers and pupils so that they feel confident with the system
[22:47] <dinda> vmlintu: the most successful deployments I've seen take that approach
[22:48] <vmlintu> dinda: in some cases it takes more hand holding, but usually most of the issues are sorted out quickly
[22:48] <dinda> vmlintu: I worked on a project for the EU called FLOSS Include that had many case studies about education deployments
[22:49] <vmlintu> dinda: sometimes teachers have to give up old software which usually makes it harder
[22:50] <vmlintu> FLOSS Include is something I haven't heard of before
[22:50] <dinda> http://www.flossinclude.org/
[22:53] <vmlintu> I'll have a look at that