[00:09] <hggdh> sbeattie: do we really need to have QRT-depends on sudo, lsb-release, ssl-certs, and openssl?
[00:09] <hggdh> at least sudo and lsb-release?
[00:10] <hggdh> devildante: see if the references are indeed in the -dev
[00:11] <devildante> hggdh: how do I do that?
[00:11] <hggdh> devildante: did you run 'sudo apt-get builddep empathy'?
[00:12] <hggdh> devildante: er... grep -R launchpad_integration_add_ui *
[00:12] <hggdh> devildante: apt-get build-dep
[00:12] <drew212_> #ubuntu
[00:13] <drew212_> gah, i hate this web based IRC =X
[00:13] <hggdh> drew212_: try weechat ;-)
[00:13] <hggdh> oh, _web_
[00:14] <drew212_> hggdh: yeah, i'm at school/work right now =P
[00:14] <drew212_> hggdh: i thought i would hop into chat in case one of my mentee's was online and had any questions... all i'm doing is HW right now.
[00:15] <hggdh> heh
[00:15] <hggdh> school/work?
[00:15] <devildante> hggdh: yes, I ran build-dep
[00:16] <drew212_> hggdh: i work at school, i'm a computer lab assistant/supervisor
[00:16] <hggdh> oh cool!
[00:16] <hggdh> devildante: try the grep
[00:16] <drew212_> basically i sit at a terminal in the entryway to the lab and make sure nobody has drinks or food...
[00:16] <hggdh> devildante: how did you grab the empathy source?
[00:17] <devildante> hggdh: the grep doesn't spit anything (not even an error)
[00:17] <hggdh> drew212_: oh. This is something I did not do while at school...
[00:17] <drew212_> hggdh: its pretty nice, $9 an hour to do my homework and triage bugs =)
[00:17] <devildante> hggdh: bzr branch lp:ubuntu/empathy (I need to fix a bug introduced by a patch, it seems)
[00:18] <hggdh> devildante: I never built empathy, so I am not sure you have the correct source
[00:19] <devildante> hmm
[00:19] <devildante> darn :p
[00:24] <drew212_> vish: how long do we wait to drop a mentee if no contact is made?
[00:27] <hggdh> drew212_: wait some two/three weeks
[00:28] <charlie-tca> hmm, I have to drop mine. One quit and one disappeared
[00:28] <hggdh> heh. I think this seems to be the norm, not the exception, charlie-tca
[00:28] <drew212_> hggdh: yeah, I'm going to send him an email again at the end of this week just to make sure he got the last one.
[00:29] <drew212_> hggdh: that means i was an exception then? lol
[00:29] <hggdh> drew212_: I would say a bit more than 50%
[00:30] <drew212_> hggdh: we should keep a running tally/list and document everything so we know how certain mentors are doing, and how the program is working, if its working at all
[00:30] <charlie-tca> I win though. I got one half-trained before he dropped
[00:30] <drew212_> s/certain/well
[00:31] <drew212_> charlie-tca: my mentor went MIA, then i got accepted into bug-control and soon after became a mentor myself =P
[00:32] <charlie-tca> yeah, that happens to, I guess
[00:33] <drew212_> charlie-tca: i doubt thats normal though... especially with someone so active in the community... i hope nothing bad happened =X
[00:35] <hggdh> drew212_: we *do* keep looking at it
[12:45] <kermiac> is anyone else getting a few 'hit n runs' from this user? https://edge.launchpad.net/~muscovy
[12:47] <nigelb> kermiac: 1137 bug karma isn't hit and run
[12:50] <kermiac> hey nigelb... ok maybe it's not 'hit and run'.  I'll just subscribe him to the bugs I noticed before I leave a comment
[12:50] <nigelb> kermiac: Maybe he needs to be talked to, yes.
[12:51] <kermiac> yeah, but it looks like he is trying to do the right thing :)
[12:51] <nigelb> Yeah, his wiki page says he's trying to be part of bug control.
[12:53] <kermiac> nigelb: ok, I'll send him a quick friendly note reminding him to subscribe to bug reports he comments on
[12:53] <vish> kermiac: well, the easiest excuse people have for hit-n-run seeeeeeems to be that, they dint know they wouldnt be subscribed ;p
[12:53] <kermiac> vish: yeah, i seem to remember that being discussed recently. I think it was in here
[12:53]  * nigelb notes he made that mistake a few times.
[12:54] <vish> its one of micahg's bugs! i think he had filed it.. :)
[12:54] <vish> the auto-subscribe commenters..
[12:55] <nigelb> first fix unsubscribing because you're subscribed to the package :p
[12:55] <vish> hehe!
[12:55] <yofel> fix both! (I don't care which one first...)
[12:55] <nigelb> lol
[12:55] <yofel> :P
[12:56] <nigelb> I still get mails from old rhytmbox bugs!
[12:56] <vish> no, i would rather prefer the subscribe commenter.. a lot of time i would comment to only realize the person i was answering to was not subscribed ;/
[12:56] <nigelb> true
[12:56] <yofel> +1
[12:56] <nigelb> the coming from google and subscribing thing must irritate the hell out of kernel team
[12:56] <nigelb> not sure how they deal with it
[12:56] <nigelb> s/subscribing/commenting
[12:57] <vish> then i sit and think! should i comment that again ! or do i hooooooope  that after being subscribed that person replies back :(
[12:57] <kermiac> vish: yeah, I've done that too
[12:58] <kermiac> most of the time i just subscribe them when i realise they aren't subscribed & hope they look at the bug when they receive the 'you've been subscribed to a bug' email
[12:59] <vish> yeah, thats a new feature though ;)
[15:42] <^arky^> Is there bug related to NetworkManager set preferred networks option ?
[15:46] <charlie-tca> bug 627902 ?
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627902 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The list of available networks is blank (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627902
[16:33] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> so if I wanted to move a bug forward, how would I go about it?
[16:33] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> as in - I know what line of code is causing the problem, and I have a proposed fix
[16:37] <nisshh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: have you submitted a patch for the bug (link to the bug, please?)
[16:39] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> not yet... just putting this together now
[16:39] <nisshh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: ok, well, do that, then ill have a look if you tell me the bug number
[16:40] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ummmm... actually, just looking at it again while trying to generate the patch
[16:40] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> not the issue I thought it was
[16:41] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> but at least I know the general reason
[16:41] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> bug 186366
[16:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 186366 in cpio (Ubuntu) "cpio segfaults with "-E" on a non-existing file (heat: 2)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186366
[16:41] <nisshh> ah ok
[16:45] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> back to the drawing board :(
[16:45] <hggdh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: so you reported it to upstream?
[16:45] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> tried to...
[16:46] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> not sure if it happened or not, I sent an email to bug-cpio@gnu.org
[16:46] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> dunno if it got filed
[16:47] <hggdh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: I will check
[16:48] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> thanx
[16:48] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> my suggestion is bogus, btw
[16:49] <hggdh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: I found this already reported there -- https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?28954
[16:49] <hggdh> I will link it in
[16:49] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> thanks :-)
[16:50] <hggdh> done
[16:50] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah!
[16:50] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I know what it is now!
[16:51] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> that shouldn't be open_error that it's calling
[16:51] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it should be open_fatal!!!
[16:51] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> er... how do I update a bug on savannah.gnu.org?
[16:52] <drizzle> is there a way to tell whether or not a fix has been released or commited?
[16:52] <hggdh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: you register in, first; then you log in... then you update it
[16:52] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> :-)
[16:52] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> just did that
[16:53] <hggdh> drizzle: ultimately only by looking at the changelog and the code
[16:54] <drizzle> where does one look at that hggdh
[16:56] <nigelb> drizzle: code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches is one place where you can look at both.
[16:56] <nigelb> Also, packages.ubuntu.com if you're only intersted in changelog
[16:58] <drizzle> thank you brotha
[17:02] <dyfet> I think bug #622545 should be marked invalid
[17:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622545 in anki (Ubuntu) "lacks 64-bit build (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622545
[17:04] <jibel> drizzle, did you test that bug 616879 is fixed in lucid ?
[17:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616879 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Open Office splash screen's progress bar obscures the text (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616879
[17:06] <drizzle> no
[17:06] <drizzle> i want to update my comment
[17:06] <drizzle> but i cant find it
[17:06] <drizzle> how to update it
[17:06] <drizzle> i only tested it in 64 bit mav
[17:08] <jibel> drizzle, you cannot modify comments, you can just add one. but well, it's already fixed in maverick and are looking for testers in lucid.
[17:10] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> hggdh, turns out the Fedora guys have a patch already
[17:10] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it's actually better than mine :-)
[17:10] <hggdh> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: yes, Ondrej did it (so it is probably correct ;-)
[17:11] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> dunno who he is, but his idea was certainly on the money :-)
[17:11] <hggdh> I know who he is...
[17:11] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> someone expert in Redhat? Am I right?
[17:11] <hggdh> and I can assure you: he is *much* better than I am
[17:11] <hggdh> and yes, I think he is at RedHat
[17:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> well, he's better than me, for sure :-)
[17:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I was just trying to work out how to debug segfaults
[17:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> it was an interesting exercise
[17:12] <hggdh> well, this would be a nice exercise on that, certainly
[17:12] <drosenbe> heh, welcome to crash analysis :)
[17:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> thanx... so far have worked out where two crashes have occured
[17:12] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> the other one was in sqlite3
[17:13] <drosenbe> it's even more tedious when you're causing the crashes on purpose
[17:13] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> lol!
[17:13] <hggdh> keep on, man, keep on :-)
[17:13] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I've learned an unbelievable amount of stuff so far
[17:14] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> I just look for segfaults in Launchpad and see if I can repro them
[17:14] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> then I poke around
[17:14] <drosenbe> how's your asm doing?
[17:14] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> terrible :-(
[17:14] <drosenbe> there's the holdup then :)
[17:14] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> lol x2!
[17:14] <drosenbe> it makes crash analysis much easier
[17:14] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> yeah, I read the art of assembly, which was cool
[17:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> but I forgot it all
[17:15] <drosenbe> although you can always re-compile with symbols
[17:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> that's basically what I do
[17:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> but... uh... try doing that on OpenOffice.org
[17:15] <drosenbe> funny you should say that ;)
[17:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> that's when I learned about ddebs...
[17:15] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> :-)
[17:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> bloody life saver!!!!!
[17:16] <drosenbe> i just finished a round of fuzz testing on OOo
[17:16] <drosenbe> it was painful
[17:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> fuzz testing?
[17:16] <hggdh> and, hopefully, also learned that apport-retrace can auto-install all needed ddebs...
[17:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> yah - absolutely :-)
[17:16] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> damn cool stuff
[17:16] <drosenbe> ta_bu_shi_da_yu: basically, running a program repeatedly on deliberately malformed input to try to produce crashes, and then analyzing those crashes to check for exploitable conditions
[17:17] <drosenbe> i do security testing
[17:17] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> ah... :-)
[17:17] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> funnily enough, I work for a software company that deals with Windows only
[17:17] <bcurtiswx> ta_bu_shi_da_yu, you have the record for most underscores used in a username.. congrats...
[17:18] <drosenbe> haha
[17:18] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> bcurtiswx, yeah, I can switch the nick if it annoys
[17:18] <drosenbe> tab completion ftw
[17:18] <ta_bu_shi_da_yu> lol!
[17:18] <tbsdy_lives> switched
[17:19] <tbsdy_lives> I have to say, it's far more fun and interesting to troubleshoot an Ubuntu problem than a Windows one
[17:20] <drosenbe> yeah, it's great what open source gives you in terms of transparency
[17:20] <bcurtiswx> windows makes my grandmother look fast...
[17:20] <tbsdy_lives> access to source code, for one :-) but I find that I actually like their perfmon tool
[17:21] <tbsdy_lives> dunno if Linux has an equivalent
[17:21] <drosenbe> top?
[17:21] <tbsdy_lives> nah, top doesn't record the sort of counters that perfmon does
[17:21] <tbsdy_lives> I'm sure there's something
[17:22] <tbsdy_lives> Solaris has something and has it for a while, apparently
[17:22] <drosenbe> i'm sure, there are lots of system monitoring tools
[17:22] <tbsdy_lives> drosenbe, do you know if Linux has an equivalent to dtrace?
[17:23] <drosenbe> strace
[17:23] <drosenbe> if you're looking for system call tracing
[17:23] <drosenbe> ltrace is for library calls
[17:23] <drosenbe> strace is in binutils i believe
[17:24] <drosenbe> nope, wrong
[17:24] <drosenbe> it's in its own package
[17:24] <yofel> there's also valgrind for a more intesive analyses (memory allocation, function calls, ...)
[17:24] <drosenbe> definitely, i <3 valgrind
[17:24] <tbsdy_lives> interesting... I'm still very much a newbie on all this stuff
[17:24] <hggdh> sudo apt-get install apt-file; apt-file search $(whereis strace)
[17:25] <tbsdy_lives> I've used strace, but don't think it's quite the equivalent to dtrace
[17:26] <yofel> hggdh: you forgot the apt-file update :P - sudo apt-get install apt-file && sudo apt-file update && sudo apt-file search $(whereis strace)
[17:26] <hggdh> yofel: I thought it did an auto update on install...
[17:27] <tbsdy_lives> anyway, it's been fun folks :-) but it's about 2:30AM in my neck of the woods, so gotta go
[17:27] <tbsdy_lives> night all!
[17:27] <yofel> hggdh: hm, maybe now, didn't when I installed it last time
[17:27]  * hggdh does not really know, just expected the obvious
[17:34]  * yofel wants contents.gz for ppas :'(
[17:41] <hggdh> that would be nice, yes
[17:53] <yofel> hggdh: and yourself to bug 335161
[17:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 335161 in soyuz "PPAs should export Contents-amd64.gz files (affects: 4)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/335161
[18:19] <hggdh> yofel: done
[18:19] <yofel> thx :)
[19:23] <devildante> bdmurray: around?
[19:24] <bdmurray> devildante: yep
[19:27] <devildante> bdmurray: why do you assign bugs to software-center, even though there are storage related?
[19:28] <bdmurray> devildante: could you give me an example?
[19:33] <bdmurray> devildante: so if it is bug 575617 I'm working on an automated script to look at no package bugs and that was reported by apport and the sourcepackage was software-center
[19:33] <rsajdok> Hi, I have some questions about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gogoc/+bug/622705 On the site http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gogoc.html I can see "ubuntu 1 bug" Does it mean that bug was sent to upstream?  Should I change the status to 'Triaged'? Should I add tag 'patch-forwarded-upstream' ?
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 575617 in ubuntu "ERROR CDF2-6BE2 7.9 GB FLASH CAN NOT OPEN (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575617
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622705 in gogoc (Ubuntu) "wrong references in README.Debian to "gw6" (affects: 1) (heat: 497)" [Undecided,New]
[19:36] <devildante> bdmurray: yes it was that one and bug 627480
[19:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627480 in linux (Ubuntu) "vfat file time incorrect on usb stick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627480
[19:38] <devildante> rsajdok: no, it's just that debian can track the number of bugs that an Ubuntu package have
[19:38] <devildante> rsajdok: so you should forward the bug upstream
[19:40] <rsajdok> devildante: thanks
[19:40] <devildante> rsajdok: np, you're welcome!
[19:41] <devildante> bdmurray: so with your scripts, we could possibly bring down the number of no package bugs to 0?
[19:41] <devildante> if so, that's awesome!
[19:42] <bdmurray> devildante: well, that's a bit optimistic but it might help
[19:43] <devildante> bdmurray, shouldn't you try in staging lp?
[19:45] <bdmurray> devildante: well, I think the script was doing the right thing and the reporter did the wrong thing. ;-)
[19:45] <devildante> bdmurray, yeah :p
[19:45] <devildante> bdmurray, this should help a lot :)
[19:46]  * devildante will be afk for a while
[19:59] <hggdh> QA meeting starting in 1 minute at #ubuntu-quality
[20:02] <yofel> does anyone know https://edge.launchpad.net/~alex-harkema ? he's the one that added the no-redirect link at the top of the ReportingBugs page
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Is he the same one arguing about it on the mailing list
[20:04] <yofel> no, David Thombs was the one that started the discussion
[20:04] <yofel> *David Tombs
[20:22] <micahg> bdmurray: why are you reassigning random bugs to firefox?
[20:24] <pedro_> because we're going to assign all the bugs to you now?
[20:24]  * pedro_ runs
[20:24]  * micahg starts throwing the bugs after pedro_ :)
[20:25] <thekorn_> haha, this reminds me... micahg, what's the state of python xpcom ;)
[20:26]  * thekorn_ tries to find the bug
[20:26] <micahg> thekorn: I don't know if we can take it, it's in unstable now, but we're not sure if we can support it
[20:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^ anything to add?
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> i don't think we'll be supporting it in maverick - it's not really supportable in its current form
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> and with the transition to xulrunner-2.0 next cycle, it's probably just going to disappear again anyway
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> heh, i just noticed the random bugs being assigned to firefox too
[20:29] <thekorn_> okidoki, thanks guys
[20:29]  * micahg thinks a bdmurray bot is running amuck
[20:30] <bdmurray> micahg: it has stopped and the criteria was no package bug with the tag apport-bug and only comments from the reporter assign to the package listed in the apport content
[20:30] <micahg> bdmurray: that's a bad script, since people commonly choose the wrong package and it gets removed with a needs-reassignment tag (or no tag)
[20:31] <hggdh> !seen kangoroo
[20:31] <ubot2> I have no seen command
[20:31] <hggdh> oh, this is not gnome ;-)
[20:33] <bdmurray> micahg: it also checks for needs-reassignment so it should be less bad
[20:33] <micahg> bdmurray: so only w/out the tag?
[20:34] <bdmurray> micahg: the criteria was a no package bug with the tag apport-bug without the tag needs-reassignment and only comments from the reporter assign to the package listed in the apport content
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> hopefully we should get less random bugs assigned to firefox now the apport menu entry has gone
[20:34] <micahg> bdmurray: ah, ok
[22:03] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[22:04] <kamusin> question: MootBoot-UK is saving irc logs?
[22:25] <hggdh> kamusin: yes
[22:25] <hggdh> for *some* channels
[22:30] <kamusin> ohh would be nice if we can save history of ubuntu-quality channel :)
[22:34] <charlie-tca> ogging for non-LoCo channels is done by ubuntulog, which is controlled by Canonical. Email rt at ubuntu dot com.
[22:35] <charlie-tca> hmm, ogging is really logging
[22:58] <hggdh> !info lighttpd
[22:58] <ubot2> hggdh: lighttpd (source: lighttpd): A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.26-1.1ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 278 kB, installed size 956 kB
[22:58] <hggdh> !info lighttpd maverick
[22:58] <ubot2> hggdh: lighttpd (source: lighttpd): A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.26-3ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 278 kB, installed size 976 kB
[22:59] <yofel> erm... that's wrong, maverick has 1.4.26-3ubuntu2
[23:08] <kamusin> aham.. thanks charlie-tca
[23:08] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:21] <hggdh> sbeattie: apache was not installed
[23:24] <sbeattie> hggdh: then, no, test-lighttpd.py is not expected to fail.
[23:24]  * sbeattie digs in to see what's going on.
[23:24] <hggdh> sbeattie: failed both under checkbox and running alone
[23:25] <sbeattie> hggdh: yeah, I think it's cuz some jerk tried to make it easier to setup test apache ssl environments.
[23:26] <sbeattie> I thought I'd tested lighttpd after making my changes but apparently not.
[23:26] <hggdh> sbeattie: I am happy :-)
[23:26] <hggdh> I did not screw up ;-)
[23:27] <hggdh> sbeattie: freeradius is still kaput, no?
[23:35] <sbeattie> hggdh: I'm unaware of anything having been done with it.
[23:41] <hggdh> sbeattie: K. I will try it on Maverick