TheMusoYep that they do.00:00
* TheMuso has left them out of his resistance exercise routine since pulling a muscle a few weeks back. Should probably look at how I was doing them and start doing them again...00:01
RAOFI did a boot-camp style collective execrsise thingy yesterday evening, which included the first pushups I've done in… more than a decade?00:02
RAOFNeedless to say, my arms are somewhat surprised.00:03
rickspencer3RAOF, pushups are supposed to exercise your chest!00:08
rickspencer3RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso ... I've been on the phone for the last 3 hours solid!00:09
RAOFBut I've got weedy arms, atrophied after years of being asked to do little more than type :)00:09
rickspencer3have not had a moment to prepare for the Easter Edition :(00:09
rickspencer3RAOF, then more pushups!!00:09
rickspencer3give me 10!00:09
robert_ancellrickspencer3, that's a lot of phoning...00:09
rickspencer3robert_ancell, want to switch jobs?00:10
TheMusoRAOF: I actually like that feeling when your limbs have been worked out more than they are used to.00:12
RAOFThe flaccitude isn't bad; it's the soreness that's not my cup of tea.00:14
rickspencer3software engineers complaining about exercise00:16
rickspencer3who would have thought :)00:16
rickspencer3RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-08-3100:16
rickspencer3I added the irc logs to the bottom00:16
RAOFNot just exercise — *unaccustomed* exercise. :P00:16
* TheMuso has been exercising regularly for a while now, so doesn't find it difficult to do, and can deal with the discomfort.00:20
RAOFI reckon I could have _run_ for that 45 minutes, no problem.00:21
RAOFWell, jogged.00:21
robert_ancellI like the bug summary from pedro00:21
RAOFIt'd be nice if glib backtraces didn't almost uniformly end in g_closure_invoke () :)00:23
rickspencer3looks like Twitter is going to be a mess for users starting tomorrow00:24
rickspencer3RAOF, can you do me a favor?00:24
rickspencer3add a section o xorg-xserver to the meeting wiki?00:24
rickspencer3maybe about mesa?00:25
RAOFSure thing.00:25
RAOFTo the template, as well, or just a one off?00:25
TheMusoRAOF: Why is twitter going to be a mess?00:25
RAOFTheMuso: I presume because they've turned off our authentication method.00:25
* TheMuso wonders whether pidgin's microblogging plugin will also be affected.00:26
* TheMuso uses it for twitter.00:26
rickspencer3RAOF, adding it to the template would be good00:26
rickspencer3TheMuso, yeah, pidgin may be00:27
rickspencer3(impacted, that is)00:27
micahgRAOF: I have the latest backported in my PPA00:27
micahgRAOF: it's in the changelog for 0.3 that it's fixed, we should probably pull that fix and SRU it00:28
TheMusorickspencer3: I'll find out soon enough.00:28
micahgmeant to tell TheMuso00:28
TheMusomicahg: Yes we should, or perhaps even get that fix in post beta.00:29
rickspencer3ok, so, having read the logs, any questions, anything to add?00:29
micahgTheMuso: version in maverick is fine, Lucid needs an SRU00:29
TheMusoThere is one nasty audio bug I am trying to get a handle on, which appears to be a race somewhere... Let me fetch the bug number.00:29
RAOFNo questions here.00:29
TheMusomicahg: oh ok.00:29
* micahg is sorry for interrupting the meeting :)00:29
RAOFTheMuso: Incidentally, logging on this morning _also_ has the volume set correctly.00:31
TheMusobug 59201600:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 592016 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] Sound is always muted on startup; unmuting makes the volume at lowest level (affects: 27) (dups: 2) (heat: 136)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59201600:32
TheMusoRAOF: Right, which is why I think its a race somewhere... Another box I have here which is rather new doesn't exhibit the problem. My desktop needs a cleanup/fresh install, which I intend to do today, to see whether the problem still exists.00:33
TheMusoBut that doesn't help those who upgrade.00:36
TheMusoAnyway, investigation is ongoing.00:36
TheMusoWell that killed the conversation. :p00:43
micahgTheMuso: should I try to make that SRU for pidgin-microblog for Lucid?00:44
TheMusomicahg: If you like, I am not in a position to test it currently, since I don't have lucid installed.00:45
micahgTheMuso: I'm on Lucid until Thursday night, but I don't have a twitter account :)00:46
TheMusoah ok00:46
micahgTheMuso: I can post something on identi.ca calling for testing00:46
TheMusoI only raised it since I use pidgin microblogging.00:47
TheMusoBut sure that sounds reasonable.00:47
micahgTheMuso: yeah, I have to look into another SRU for zend-framework for the same issue00:47
TheMusoah ok.00:47
micahgdebian had a whole list of related updates a while back for this issue as well00:48
matthewopersicoHello. Ihave a laptopn - AMD Sempron2800+  .755 GH and 640 RAM. Yeah it's old and XP takes forever to boot. Can I put Ubuntu on this with reasonable performance? Do I use Desktop or Netbook version. Thanks05:49
TheMusomatthewopersico: Please go to #ubuntu for support, this channel is used for development discussion.05:52
micahgTheMuso: the oauth stuff for pidgin-microblog is multiple patches, looks too messy for an SRU unless we can just push the new version06:21
TheMusomicahg: right, thats a pain.06:21
micahgTheMuso: so, what should I do?  the app isn't totally useless, just for twitter :-/06:22
TheMusomicahg: Hrm I am not sure at this point.06:22
* micahg can ask pitti when he comes in06:22
pittiGood morning07:18
pittimicahg: what's up?07:18
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pittimicahg: pidgin-microblog? it's a leaf package, so regressions in it don't cause trouble in other packages, so if it's currently FUBAR, then a new version sounds fine07:19
micahgpitti: so, twitter  just swithced their auth to oauth and I think they turned off the other authentication, pidgin-microblog in Lucid will not be able to connect to twitter if this is the case, maverick is unaffected since it has a newer version where this was fixed, the SRU would be multiple upstream commits which seems messy07:19
pittimicahg: right07:20
micahgpitti: well, it's just twitter, identica and facebook should still work07:20
micahgpitti: if you think that's worth a new version, I'll file the bug07:20
pittimicahg: ah, so we need to test those for regressions; how much stuff does the new version touch outside of twitter?07:22
* micahg is looking07:24
micahgpitti: most of the fixes are for oauth, the release log mentions changing identity of identi.ca and status.net07:30
TheMusoRAOF: Ok, after a fresh install on my desktop, I am no longer getting audio muted after reboot. Something changed somewhere that fixed it, which doesn't seem to be overwritten on upgrades for some reason... Need to test with my laptop which has an install from alpha 2 or so.07:38
* TheMuso sighs. I hate these kind of bugs.07:38
* RAOF needs to hunt for another jug-plug to fire up a new buildbox07:42
RAOFYou know - three-prong, roughly rectagular female AC → device connector.07:43
RAOFIE: power plug.07:43
RAOFWhy are there always more power supplies than cables to plug _into_ power supplies?07:44
RAOF“vgapi_tmp.h:386: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘VGloat’”07:44
RAOFHm.  That _may_ have been a typo :)07:44
TheMusoRAOF: oh yeah I gotcha. I got heaps here.07:45
RAOFHm.  If mesa used autotools, like nature intended, the build process wouldn't have to copy the source tree 6 different times.07:47
didrocksgood morning08:01
and471morning everyone08:03
didrocksgood morning and471, mvo08:07
and471hey didrocks08:07
mvohey didrocks and and471!08:08
and471hey and471 :)08:09
didrocksand471: stop speaking to yourself :)08:11
and471oh damn it...08:12
and471hey mvo :)08:12
and471thanks didrocks XD08:12
didrocksno worry ;)08:13
zygamvo, good morning08:21
zygamvo, did you read http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/ ?08:21
nigelbzyga: its a very sensible post :)08:22
mvozyga: no, let me do that now08:23
zyganigelb, yes, I agree08:23
zygaI really want that in ubuntu08:23
RAOFHm.  I think the OOM killer just killed my mesa build.  Odd.08:23
zygaas soon as I got to that picture at the end of the post it struck me08:23
zygahow obvious the message is08:23
mvozyga: heh :) funny how close the distros really are. there is a plan of action (and471 is currently working on that) to have the updates presented in a much more condensed form similar to the one outlined here08:24
mvozyga: personally I would rather install the updates in the background and not show a UI at all08:24
mvo(unless the user wants to see one, I'm sure there are users how do)08:25
zygamvo, I somewhat agree but IMHO you _should_ notify the user that "platform upgrade 2010-09-01" was just installed, with optional details to show08:25
zygamvo, there are cases where the user will care about an update (such as ff being updated to version 4.0 say in maverick...)08:26
micahgzyga: not happening :)08:27
zygabut the ultimate simplicity of "system update to version FOO" vs bazillion of libsexy and other funky names being updated is IMO worthwhile08:27
micahg4.1 maybe ;)08:27
zygamicahg, ok but the point stands08:27
zygamicahg, but honestly I agree that it's a rather rare event (that the user will care about a particular software being updated)08:27
mvoright, we need to discuss the presentation of it and whether or not to turn it on by default etc. I have a basic branch here  lp:~mvo/unattended-upgrades/minimal-steps-upgrade, it will ensure the system is upgraded in baby steps so that e.g. on shutodwn it just needs to finish a small transaction and not have to wait for the full upgrade to finish08:27
mvozyga: I imagine it will be something like a dialog "a update is available\n [x] install in the background automatically from now on\n [install] [cacnel]08:28
zygamvo, I heard about that, it's good too, people some people expect the system to update when it's turning off just because windows does that08:28
zygamvo, I'd put that in the installer (yay) and never ask the user08:28
zygamvo, especially for users who cannot update themselves and just use the account08:29
mvogood idea08:29
zyga(and only show the UI you just described if the user rejected the installer opt-in)08:29
mvoputting it in the installer makes a lot of sense08:29
mvowe had a long discussion about install on shtudown and it does not make that much sense for all package, for some like ff that break when installed while ff is running maybe, but not for all of them08:30
zygamvo, right but mere downloading does not annoy users much, their system misbehaving (ff upgrade, got bit by that myself) and slowing down unexpectedly is something different08:31
zygamvo, although laptop use case worries me a little08:31
zygamvo, I don't like when my system is updating when I'm on battery and want to just shut down08:31
mvoyeah, we need policies for all of this, not on battery, add flags to apps that break (like ff and OOo)08:32
zygamvo, is it safe to hibernate after a kernel change?08:34
* zyga reads "10_unattended-upgrades-hibernate"08:34
mvozyga: iirc it just halts the shutdown until all the upgrades are installed (or a timeout is reached)08:35
chrisccoulsonmvo - i'm seeing a lot of bugs like bug 627879, any idea whats happening there?09:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 627879 in ubufox (Ubuntu) "package ubufox (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: no package named `ubufox' is installed, cannot configure (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62787909:35
chrisccoulsonubufox is now a transitional package that pulls in xul-ext-ubufox09:35
chrisccoulsonand xul-ext-ubufox declares a breaks and replaces on ubufox (<< 0.9~rc2-0ubuntu3)09:36
mvochrisccoulson: ok, I have a look. this is maverick, right?09:41
chrisccoulsonmvo - yeah, this is on maverick09:42
seb128hey chrisccoulson mvo09:43
seb128how are you?09:43
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?09:43
seb128I'm fine thank you09:44
seb128it feels quiet with the beta freeze ;-)09:44
mvochrisccoulson: three cheers to dpkg ;) "(Noting disappearance of ubufox, which has been completely replaced.)09:44
mvochrisccoulson: that confuses apt slightly - actually apt should nowdays be able to cope09:44
chrisccoulsonmvo - nice! should i assign this bug to apt then, or is there something i can do in ubufox?09:45
mvochrisccoulson: but apparently it is not. as a workaround, you should keep a single file in the ubufox package so that the package still exists.09:45
chrisccoulsonah, usually the transitional packages still have some documentation, which might be why this hasn't happened before09:45
mvochrisccoulson: for a immediate fix I would suggest to change the transitional package to still own a single file and we can clean it up via the uprader and/or computer-janitor09:45
mvochrisccoulson: yeah, we had those cases before, but they are rare. a bug task for apt would still be nice as it seems like the code that deals with the condition does not quite work09:46
chrisccoulsonmvo - ubufox is still shipping a changelog in /usr/share/doc/ubufox. shouldn't that be enough?09:47
mvochrisccoulson: that should be enough, but does xul-ext-ubufox ship the same file maybe?09:51
mvoseb128: hey! good, thanks :)09:51
chrisccoulsonmvo - it doesn't seem so (xul-ext-ubufox ships a changelog in /usr/share/doc/xul-ext-ubufox)09:53
chrisccoulsonalthough the changelog in ubufox is a symlink09:53
chrisccoulsonbut it still ships its own copyright file too09:54
mvochrisccoulson: hm, looking09:57
fta2didrocks, hi, could you please add a "-" in front of the autoreconf include in d/rules of evolution?10:02
didrocksfta2: why? we haven't done that in any package10:02
mvochrisccoulson: the messages not make a lot of sense either, the terminal log does not contain a trace of "xul-ext-ubufox"10:04
chrisccoulsonmvo - hmmm, yeah, that is a bit strange10:05
mvoI run a upgrade test now to see if I can reproduce10:06
tjaaltonis this the place to discuss indicator-applet bugs or was there a dedicated channel?10:07
seb128tjaalton, you can use #ayatana10:07
tjaaltonseb128: thanks10:07
seb128though most people active on it are on the other side of the atlantic and still sleeping10:08
tjaaltonmeh :)10:08
tjaaltonit seems that having $HOME on NFS and logging simultaneously from two computers makes the logout applet fail on the second session10:09
tjaaltonon lucid at least10:09
tjaaltonso normal users can't log out, or is there another way?10:10
seb128I guess you should talk to tedg about it when he's online10:10
tjaaltonyeah, I will10:10
fta2didrocks, this include is not part of the regular dev packages, it needs a special build-dep, so the "-" prevents unnecessary failures (like if you repack, the clean rule runs, but fails on this missing include, while it's not really needed unless you actually build)10:11
fta2didrocks, (and i have to repack evo each time there's an update to add some patches)10:11
seb128fta2, the package build-depends on what is required10:12
seb128why not just installing the build-depends?10:12
didrocksfta2: it's added to the build-dep, and debian is doing the same10:13
fta2seb128, on my servers, i have build-essential, but dh-autoreconf is not part of it, and it drags even more deps. otth, it's not really needed to just create a source package10:14
fta2seb128, didrocks: i'm not saying it's a bug10:14
fta2seb128, didrocks: just that it could be friendlier with a "-"10:15
seb128I get what you mean now10:16
seb128you don't build the package just the source10:16
seb128I guess you can just scp the file which is include on your server10:16
seb128it should not run any actual command when building the source10:17
didrocksoh ok, for the building the source, right10:17
robert_ancellseb128, do you know about bug 539025?  I'm doing the gnome-settings-daemon update and the svgs have changed but not due to the upstream bug.  I've updated the patch to have the same .svgs as in 2.30 but I'm not sure if we use those ones or the 2.31 ones.  Damn svgs don't diff well...10:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 539025 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Touchpad on/off notification uses icon from one canvas source svg than a 48px icon (affects: 1) (heat: 20)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53902510:26
seb128hey robert_ancell10:26
seb128robert_ancell, what svg changed?10:27
robert_ancelltouchpad-disabled.svg and touchpad-enabled.svg10:27
robert_ancellI don't get the bug report, but you did the upload :)10:27
seb128robert_ancell, oh, the bug is easy10:28
seb128robert_ancell, get the current source10:29
seb128robert_ancell, open touchpad-enabled.svg with eog10:29
seb128the upstream source one10:29
seb128robert_ancell, it's not an icon, it's the source canvas10:30
seb128that doesn't look nice in notify-osd ;-)10:30
seb128the patch was replacing that by one icon10:30
seb128ie eog /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/actions/touchpad-enabled.svg10:30
robert_ancelloh, I see (looked at the old one with all the patches removed).  ok, it is fixed then10:31
seb128robert_ancell, that's fixed in 2.31.610:31
seb128robert_ancell, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?h=gnome-2-32&id=671a75847ac2ba918c3905c6f48062c5dd02496710:32
seb128robert_ancell, that fixed it10:32
robert_ancellah, was looking at that commit, but wasn't sure if it was linked to the bug report10:33
seb128robert_ancell, btw do you install the new service? or should we just not ship it for this cycle?10:33
seb128I think we should just not ship it10:33
seb128it seems we would not win anything to get it10:33
robert_ancellnot ship it10:33
seb128the new gnome-panel uses it but since we don't do that update10:33
seb128ok, excellent10:33
seb128robert_ancell, did you get my email about vte btw?10:34
robert_ancelloh, I still can't get anjuta to compile properly - if you're interested the libgda4 in bzr works, but I can't compile anjuta from git, there's some gir problem I can't work out10:34
seb128ok, I will give it a try10:34
seb128I will also review the brasero update10:34
seb128did you ask upstream why they hardcode the gsettings backend?10:35
robert_ancellthere were a bunch of srcdir != destdir bugs which are now fixed upstream10:35
robert_ancellyeah, it was just for debugging, it's been removed now10:35
robert_ancellremind me of the vte email10:35
seb128robert_ancell, bug #62697910:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 626979 in vte (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "pkg-config --variable=includedir points at /usr/include, not /usr/include/vte-0.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62697910:35
seb128ups, you fixed it10:36
robert_ancellseb128, yes, it's fixed10:36
seb128I'm lagging behind on bug emails10:36
robert_ancelltell me about it :)10:36
seb128robert_ancell, great work on the updates btw10:36
robert_ancelldo we have any issues with the latest gnome updates?  Do they bypass the UI freeze?  (some were late because the 2.31 series was only GNOME3 compatible)10:37
seb128I've mostly let those to you this week, I'm focussing on getting bugs under control10:37
seb128no issue10:37
seb128it's just that they will only go in after beta10:37
seb128but there is no need of any freeze exception10:37
seb128robert_ancell, you are still there next week right?10:38
robert_ancellyes, I'm flying out Saturday10:38
seb128I guess this week will be busy with updates mostly10:39
seb128but I will have a buglist built by end of week10:39
seb128I really started on it yesterday10:39
seb128I've added maverick tasks for now10:39
robert_ancellrodrigo_, uploading a new g-c-c just after I update to the last one!! :)10:39
seb128but I should probably use the topic url again10:40
seb128robert_ancell, hehe ;-)10:40
seb128ie using desktop-bugs as well10:40
rodrigo_robert_ancell, sorry, I should have done it on Monday :)10:40
robert_ancellseb128, yes, that's where Iook mostly.  We have too many bug trackers.  We need a "top 100" bugs or something.  We need a pedro on the team to keep that updated...10:40
seb128I got pedro to join our weekly meeting and build some hot bug lists10:41
seb128that's a start10:41
robert_ancellyeah, I was reading that, +1 from me!10:42
seb128but I've difficulties to build an easy list10:42
seb128between bugs assigned to the team10:42
seb128bugs assigned to team members10:42
seb128bugs milestoned10:42
seb128bugs with a maverick task10:42
robert_ancellsure, it's not an easy problem10:44
seb128I think I will keep abusing desktop-bugs for now10:44
seb128ideally we would have a way on launchpad to list bugs against the desktop set with a maverick task10:45
seb128but we don't right now10:45
robert_ancellwhy not make desktop-bugs-maverick?10:45
robert_ancellyeah, maybe.  I haven't really thought it through.  You really want it to be automatic as when we go to N it would be a pain to manage10:47
seb128no reason to not to, out of the fact that it adds an extra step10:47
seb128I think we should rather have some script build a webpage10:47
seb128ie something doing a query of all maverick tasks in the desktop set10:47
seb128using launchpadlib10:48
seb128so we would just have to deal with nomination the normal way10:48
seb128not to deal with extra teams or tags10:48
robert_ancellLP needs a reports function like bugzilla.  That's got to be about the only feature I miss :)10:48
seb128sort of http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/10:48
seb128ie http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-dx-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html10:49
seb128but that's for a team and it's member10:49
robert_ancellis that using lplib, or directly accessing the backend?10:49
seb128but having the same for a desktop, ie desktop bugs, would be nice10:49
seb128I think those are json queries running in the dc10:49
didrocks(and why not http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-desktop-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html ?)10:50
seb128direct access to the database is required if you don't want to spend a day10:50
seb128didrocks, what about it?10:50
seb128didrocks, oh the url? that's the first that showed in my firefox autocompletion, I wanted a random example10:50
didrocksseb128: ok ;)10:50
robert_ancellanyway, gtg, see you guys later10:51
seb128robert_ancell, I think the easier would be to build a json query and hand it to qa10:51
seb128robert_ancell, bye10:51
seb128robert_ancell, I will try to do that10:51
seb128robert_ancell, see you tomorrow!10:51
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didrocksseb128: about evolution-mapi, trying to update it to 0.30 (0.32 ask for evolution 2.32). This version asks for libmapi 0.9 (openchange), which depends on new samba4 (we are in alpha8 in universe and we need a newer alpha13)12:21
didrocksseb128: debian experimental has both new openchange and samba4, I'm talking to jelmer about the change and he seems ok regarding stability (it's an alpha against another alpha :-))12:22
didrocksinstalled, tried and evo-mapi doesn't compile because of what seems an API breakage in libmapi12:23
didrockstracking this with jelmer right noww and openchange upstream, but we may not have the latest one finally in maverick12:23
didrocksapart from that, the rest of the new evo stack is ready. Will push later today12:24
seb128didrocks, ok12:32
seb128didrocks, you manage to get the pop bug fixed?12:32
didrocksseb128: yeah ;)12:33
seb128didrocks, what was it? something they fixed in 2.32 since they didn't have the bug?12:34
didrocksseb128: it seems to be fixed in 2.32 because they added a new property for frames in the dialog like "E_PROP_STEP_CONTINUE". I have workaround the issue differently in 2.30 has taking this property made too many files to patch12:35
seb128didrocks, great work ;-)12:36
didrocksthanks seb128 :-)12:36
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nessitagood morning everyone13:20
didrockshey nessita, feeling better?13:22
nessitadidrocks: yes, a lot, thanks for asking!13:22
seb128hey nessita13:23
nessitahey seb12813:23
seb128nessita, nice to see that you are better ;-)13:23
andreasnkenvandine, ping13:36
kenvandineandreasn, pong13:42
andreasnkenvandine, you're a gwibber dev, right?13:43
andreasn(note, this is not a question about twitter, figured that out already ;) )13:43
andreasnI'm getting a bit confused by this dialog: http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/display-notifications-when.png13:44
andreasnwhen does it display notification exactly?13:44
kenvandineyeah, we should hide the second checkbox unless you enable them13:44
andreasnalways or for mentions, replies etc?13:44
kenvandinealways if the second one isn't checked13:44
kenvandineif the second one is checked, only for mentions/replies13:45
andreasnor maybe a radiobutton13:45
kenvandinei just noticed yesterday that was confusing13:45
andreasn( ) display notifications for all messages13:45
andreasn(o) display notifications for mentions, replies etc.13:45
andreasn( ) don't display notifications13:45
kenvandinethat would be good13:46
andreasnI think there might be a way to shorten it, let me see if I can find a doc writer13:46
Chipacaseb128: ping, re #61298813:47
seb128bug #61298813:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 612988 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[nautilus] ubuntu-one ribbon in folders is too obtrusive (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 58)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61298813:47
seb128Chipaca, hi ;-)13:47
Chipacaseb128: hi! I was about to set it back to "Won't Fix", but it felt too much like a status war, so here I am :)13:48
seb128Chipaca, see comment #1013:48
seb128Chipaca, rickspencer3 made a call there13:48
chrisccoulsonmvo - did you have much luck with that ubufox issue?13:49
Chipacaseb128: ah! rickspencer3: please comment on the bug then :)13:49
Chipacaseb128: I talked with him on IRC, but I guess there's no public record of that. Gotcha.13:49
seb128Chipaca, I though the agreement was to drop the banner for this cycle13:50
seb128Chipaca, but yeah, maybe let's sort that when rickspencer3 wakes up13:50
kenvandineandreasn, i am surprised nobody has commented about that before, it has been like this for ages... and just last night i couldn't remember what it did and had to look at the source13:50
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kenvandinewhich isn't a good sign :)13:50
kenvandineseb128, how would you feel about a UI freeze exception for something like a silly, really unclear preference setting?13:51
seb128Chipaca, kenvandine: btw I think somebody mentioned that having ubuntuone-preference not in the indicator menu was an issue?13:51
kenvandineseb128, remember who?13:52
kenvandinei think that was driven by design/user testing13:52
seb128kenvandine, I think that during monday's call?13:52
seb128I'm not sure now13:52
kenvandinei don't think so13:52
seb128yeah, I think that's a wanted change13:52
kenvandinei'll do it then13:52
kenvandineandreasn, could you please file a bug?13:52
kenvandinei'll fix it and get the exception filed?13:53
seb128kenvandine, sorry I was speaking about the indicator change, but yeah seems something to do for gwibber13:53
andreasnkenvandine, of course. Launchpad?13:53
kenvandineandreasn, yes please13:53
Chipacaseb128: yes, although I'm not sure of the severity of that13:53
kenvandinego ahead and assign it to me13:53
seb128kenvandine, open a bug, email documentation list13:53
andreasnsweet! thanks for the help!13:53
seb128Chipaca, seems it's not a bug but a dx design change13:53
Chipacaseb128: ubuntu one *was* in the me menu, and was removed at some point13:54
Chipacaseb128: it's a regression for us13:54
seb128kenvandine, ^13:54
kenvandineseb128, yes... dbarth did it13:54
seb128kenvandine, see they consider it as a bug13:54
seb128davidbarth, ^13:54
kenvandinedavidbarth, ^^13:54
kenvandinei thought they were aware of that, sorry Chipaca13:54
kenvandinewe did talk about that in one of the integration calls13:55
Chipacayep, joshuahoover will be chasing down dbarth13:55
kenvandineChipaca, i am pretty sure that was driven by design, so would be worth talking to johnlea13:55
davidbarthChipaca: matt was chasing me yesterday13:56
Chipacadavidbarth: there you go :)13:56
Chipacakenvandine: we are not driven by design. We have input from design. :)13:57
davidbarthChipaca: and indeed that was design driven, though i'm responsible for the bad timing of the change13:57
kenvandineChipaca, indeed :)13:57
Chipacadavidbarth: who made the call to remove it? so we can go over that13:58
chrisccoulsonmvo - all of the reporters are using ubuntu ultimate edition13:58
chrisccoulsonmight be a clue there ;)13:58
seb128Chipaca, davidbarth, kenvandine: do you have a bug report about the change?13:58
seb128chrisccoulson, what is that?13:58
chrisccoulsonseb128 - bug 62718613:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 627186 in ubufox (Ubuntu) "package ubufox (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: no package named `ubufox' is installed, cannot configure (dup-of: 627879)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62718613:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 627879 in ubufox (Ubuntu) "package ubufox (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: no package named `ubufox' is installed, cannot configure (affects: 16) (dups: 7) (heat: 68)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62787913:59
chrisccoulsonwe seem to be getting a lot of upgrade failures13:59
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kenvandineseb128, not sure if there is a bug report, davidbarth would know.  but davidbarth did mention it in the monday called when we talked about the libgwibber port14:00
chrisccoulsonso, perhaps i should try and install this ultimate edition14:00
kenvandinebut it wasn't really highlighted, just a comment14:01
seb128kenvandine, Chipaca: can you get a bug open for tracking and discussion?14:01
seb128kenvandine, Chipaca: we want record of the discussion and not on IRC ;-)14:01
seb128chrisccoulson, the question was what is that edition ;-)14:01
Chipacakenvandine: seb128: there is a bug, I saw it yesterday, will get matt to ping you both with it14:01
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i've no idea, but i'm about to find out ;)14:01
mvochrisccoulson: heh :) indeed, I can not reproduce with the normal upgrade test14:02
chrisccoulsonmvo - i'll install this ultimate edition and see if i can work out what they're doing to break it14:03
kenvandinewow the une ppa is way outdated, most things are a month old14:04
Chipaca'ultimate edition' windows are cracked versions, right?14:04
kenvandinedidrocks, when i get all the other dx packages refreshed, can you do unity?14:04
didrockskenvandine: I won't refresh unity on lucid anymore, we talked about it with njpatel and we need to backport too many packages14:05
kenvandineok... so is it worth it to update the others?14:05
kenvandineprobably not then14:05
kenvandineseb128, ^^14:05
didrocksdon't know, but at least, put the ppa in a state that doesn't break user existing lucid :)14:05
davidbarthChipaca: that was part of the me menu changes we listed with ivanka14:06
didrocksexperience on*14:06
chrisccoulsonChipaca, not sure, possibly. perhaps this ultimate edition is actually ubuntu but with linux genuine advantage?14:06
kenvandineso the question is, what exactly is broken there14:06
kenvandinewas there a bug report?14:06
kenvandinei know something ido related14:06
seb128kenvandine, we should not waste time on the lucid ppa now I guess14:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 613198 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "UnityPPA: indicator-sound requests an invalid libido version (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 178)" [Medium,New]14:07
kenvandinewasn't that a problem with indicator-sound and ido?14:07
seb128see the duplicate log14:07
kenvandineyeah... but there is no indicator-sound in the unity ppa14:07
seb128but there is a new ido14:08
seb128which breaks indicator-sound << newer14:08
seb128which is not in the ppa14:08
seb128so when it tries to update ido it doesn't find an indicator-sound working with it14:08
seb128so either get an indicator-sound higher than the breaks version in the ppa14:08
seb128or drop ido14:08
seb128or drop the breaks from ido14:08
kenvandinei see14:09
seb128I've the feeling the easier would be to update indicator-sound in that ppa14:09
seb128to a version which work with the ido which is there14:09
kenvandinei suspect not the latest... i'll check with ronoc14:09
kenvandineor just copy it from the sound ppa14:09
seb128Breaks: indicator-sound (<< 0.3.7 )14:10
seb128kenvandine, I would suggest getting 0.3.7 in the ppa14:10
seb128don't start to get v2 there14:11
seb128or 0.3.814:11
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chrisccoulsonkenvandine, i just saw your message about testing gwibber. have you had much feedback yet?14:37
kenvandinechrisccoulson, yes, quite a bit14:38
kenvandine100% positive14:38
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, oh, ok. that's good then14:38
chrisccoulsoni was going to say i could test it on my lucid desktop, but there's probably not too much point ;)14:38
* chrisccoulson should read e-mails faster14:39
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kenvandinechrisccoulson, the more testing the better :)14:39
kenvandinebut only really if you already had gwibber setup on it14:40
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's already set up on my desktop14:40
kenvandineplease do then14:40
seb128chrisccoulson, do test it14:41
seb128especially on lucid14:41
seb128we can get some bug in maverick still14:42
seb128but the lucid sru better has to be working14:42
devildantemvo: around?14:45
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mvodevildante: yes14:47
devildantemvo, can you merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/addons-no-recommends/+merge/34295 please?14:47
mvodevildante: I check it out, sure :) I wonder why this is not covered by the call "            all_deps_if_installed = self.get_all_deps_installing(pkg)" in aptcache.py14:50
devildantemvo: isn't that just supposed to check for broken packages?14:51
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, that seems to work ok on lucid14:53
mvodevildante: it should cover the recommends case too, but maybe there is a error somewhere, do you have a example package where trunk is not working correctly with recommends?14:56
devildantemvo: gnumeric14:56
kenvandinechrisccoulson, thx!14:59
mvodevildante: thanks, I have a look15:01
mvodevildante: I added that to the merge proposal15:01
devildantethanks, mvo :)15:01
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mvodevildante: hm, so trunk shows evince-gtk - I bet that is because of the "or" recommends between evince | evince-gtk, that is worthwhile to fix anyway as it should ignore a or-group if a item in the or-group is already instaled/marked for install. I guess we need to return a list of or-depends (a list or a set again) in order to fix that. that is going to be a bit of churn, but it should solve it nicely15:07
devildantemvo, yeah... but that's not the problem I'm talking about :p15:10
mvodevildante: aha, ok :) so I tried gnumeric in trunk and the only recommends I got there displayed was evince-gtk. what/which ones do you see?15:11
devildantemvo, wow, there's no one... maybe I was just dreaming, sorry for that :p15:14
mvodevildante: lol, no worries .)15:14
mvodevildante: if you come across a example, just shout :)15:14
mvoand we can debug it15:15
devildantemvo, okay :)15:15
bcurtiswxwhats the program called that runs the icon list on the left hand side in the netbook edition?15:18
bcurtiswxi still can't get that to work properly on my laptop15:18
didrocksbcurtiswx: you mean unity? (on maverick)15:21
bcurtiswxdidrocks, OK, thanks.  It still doesn't work for me sadly15:22
didrocksbcurtiswx: ATI card?15:22
bcurtiswxyuppers :(15:22
bcurtiswxdidrocks, is there some special trick to get it to work?15:23
didrocksok, that's known so and RAOF is trying to make your life better in the next following days15:23
didrocksno, it's a bug in current clutter15:23
* bcurtiswx hugs RAOF15:23
didrockssome reporting tricking the CLUTTER_VBLANK=none might work15:24
didrocksbut you can have flickering and such…15:24
bcurtiswxdidrocks, I'll leave that to them, i'd be clueless.  do you have time for a review?15:25
didrocksbcurtiswx: the empathy SRU one? I'll do after beta if you ping me :)15:25
didrocksstill want to get some work done first :)15:25
mvokiwinote: thanks for the fixes in your branch15:25
bcurtiswxdidrocks, OK, the only reason I bug you id you were the last to upload to lucid-prop with 2.30.215:25
didrocksbcurtiswx: sure, do not hesitate in any case, it's just I lack time right now to do a proper review, but just ping me on Friday and it'll be good :)15:26
bcurtiswxdidrocks, OK15:26
didrocksbcurtiswx: thanks :)15:28
mvokiwinote: haha - I like the new addons_filter_slow :)15:31
kiwinotemvo: yeah, had to come up with a meaningful name ;)15:32
^arky^ Is there a bug related to NetworkManager set preferred networks option ?15:42
kenvandineseb128, the UIF exception bug 627440 from U115:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 627440 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[UI Freeze Exception] Registration UI is too tall for small screens (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62744015:45
seb128kenvandine, thanks15:45
kenvandineseb128, they emailed docs and translations and subscribed release team15:45
kenvandineshould they sit tight until after beta before pinging someone?15:45
nessitakenvandine, seb128: just FYI, the branch fixing that is ready and with almost 2 approvals15:46
seb128kenvandine, just subscribe ubuntu-release and wait15:46
seb128there is no need to pressure them during beta work with extra pings15:47
kenvandinei figured15:47
kenvandinetoday is not the day to be distracting people :)15:47
kenvandinenot the release team15:47
seb128kenvandine, right16:00
seb128didrocks, did you do UNE iso testing yet?16:00
didrocksseb128: not yet, I didn't have any flag of it beeing testable or still a CD respin16:01
* al-maisan is back16:09
al-maisanerr .. ECHAN :P16:09
bcurtiswxkenvandine, I am getting two entries in my indicator-applet for just one gwibber event16:14
kenvandinebcurtiswx, yeah, i noticed that too16:14
kenvandinewill get it fixed :)16:14
bcurtiswxkenvandine, OK :)16:15
bcurtiswxkenvandine, u also know about the popup notificiation being double as well?16:17
kenvandinethat doesn't happen all the time right?16:17
kenvandinebcurtiswx, what is your refresh interval set at?16:18
bcurtiswx5 min16:18
kenvandinei think that happens when it sees the same message posted to more than one service16:18
bcurtiswxand i only notice when it does it twice.. notice it the most when posting using gwibber (and only posting using one account)16:18
kenvandineonly posting with one and you see it?16:19
bcurtiswxi just did an identi.ca post only and it showed my post twice16:19
bcurtiswxon the popup notifications16:19
kenvandineok, that is useful info16:19
kenvandinei think this is a nasty side affect of filtering dupes in the client... which seems very wrong to me16:20
and471james_w`, great work on launchpad daily builds :)16:22
bcurtiswxkenvandine, maybe for NN you can mege dupes into one gwibber bubble.16:23
james_w`and471: glad you like it :-)16:24
kenvandinewell that is a bug we should fix in maverick16:24
kenvandineit is clearly wrong16:24
kenvandinei just can't see why it only happens sometimes16:24
and471james_w`, I just love the fact it was so simple! A few clicks and you are done!16:24
kenvandinei bet you see it when you post because gwibber sees it as outgoing as well as incoming because it appears in your stream16:25
bcurtiswxkenvandine, sounds like a very plausible reasoning16:26
kenvandinei should enable notifications more often :)16:27
kenvandinei follow too many people and get too distracted :)16:27
james_w`and471: good, that's the aim16:29
bcurtiswxkenvandine, OK, then do you ignore the outgoing post or the incoming post?16:30
rickspencer3kenvandine, hey, is the new gwibber in the beta?16:31
rickspencer3seems like a tight timeline, but thought it may have slipped in16:31
rickspencer3seb128, ^ ?16:32
kenvandineit is uploaded16:33
kenvandinebut not in time for beta16:33
kenvandineunless they do a respoin16:33
seb128they are doing respins16:33
kenvandinepersia said he would like to get it in if they respin16:33
seb128let me ask16:33
kenvandinedid they approve it?16:33
seb128I don't think so16:33
kenvandinepersia specifically asked me last night to get it uploaded asap in case they do a respin16:33
seb128it doesn't seem really beta critical though16:33
kenvandineit'll be an update right away... so not that big of a deal16:34
kenvandinejust twitter won't work ootb16:34
* bcurtiswx prepares for the gwibber bug reports from individuals who don't update after installing beta16:34
kenvandinebcurtiswx, thx for being awesome btw :)16:35
rickspencer3kenvandine, does the version in the beta use sqlite back end?16:35
kenvandineand quite a few bug fixes since the last alpha16:36
seb128kenvandine, I've mentioned it in #ubuntu-release16:36
seb128I doubt they will take it in though16:36
seb128doesn't seem important for the beta image16:36
kenvandinethx, it should be low risk but not something they should delay for16:36
didrocksseb128: can you tell me when the respin is done? so that I can give a new test to netbook?16:40
didrocks(joining ubuntu-release channel, should be better than bothering you :))16:41
seb128didrocks, I guess it doesn't hurt to test the current image16:41
seb128but ask on the channel rather yes16:41
didrocksseb128: just that I'm already quite busy with things, so if it can wait a little, I prefer :)16:41
seb128even if it gets a respin you might catch issues now which would avoid doing another respin16:41
didrocksstill downloading the iso in any case16:42
seb128I'm taking a break and will do a new testing round on the current images when I'm back16:42
didrocksenjoy seb12816:42
seb128didrocks, thanks16:45
seb128kenvandine, rickspencer316:49
seb128cjwatson accepted gwibber16:49
seb128it will not likely be on the images for beta but available then for download16:49
seb128ok, really going for a break now16:49
bcurtiswxenjyo seb12816:50
bcurtiswxor enjoy*16:50
kenvandinethx seb12816:52
bcurtiswxkenvandine, got time for a quick pm?17:00
and471nessita, who is irssita ?17:11
nessitaand471: me when using irssi17:12
nessitahi irssita, how are you?17:12
and471ah okay, I thought you had a clone :)17:12
nessitakinda ;-)17:12
chrisccoulsonheh, i'm installing ubuntu ultimate edition, and the installer is now 173% of the way through copying the files17:15
chrisccoulsonnow i see what the "ultimate" bit means17:16
lucidfoxUbuntu what edition? O_O17:16
lucidfoxthere is no such thing, at least not officially from Canonical17:16
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's right17:16
chrisccoulsonbut for some reason, their users keep reporting ubufox upgrade failures17:16
chrisccoulsoni want to know whether they're doing something to break it, or whether this is something that might affect real ubuntu users17:17
bcurtiswxwait.. you have the time to be doing this?? :P j/k17:17
chrisccoulsoni don't really have the time to be doing this, but i'd like to make sure it's not really our bug ;)17:17
* hyperair claps17:18
hyperairsuch a dedicated ubuntu developer17:18
* bcurtiswx bows down to chrisccoulson17:18
* hyperair puts chrisccoulson on a pedestal and worships17:18
chrisccoulsonwhen i've discovered that it's not our bug, i can just assign it to the null project17:18
didrockschrisccoulson: soon finished ;)17:20
kklimondaand lower the amount of noise that ends up in your inbox? ;)17:20
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's the ultimate goal17:20
bcurtiswxgoogle tagging ftw :)17:21
bcurtiswxi do have like 8 message filters going :-\17:21
hyperaironly 8?17:21
bcurtiswxthankfully.. for now.. yes :P17:22
chrisccoulsoni have a lot more than 8. probably explains why my mail client is so slow17:22
sabdflanybody got a handy python script that would itemise the launchers on my gnome-panel or desktop?17:22
hyperairchrisccoulson: are you using evolution by any chance?17:24
hyperairchrisccoulson: if so, then it's designed to be slow.17:24
chrisccoulsonhyperair, yes, but maybe i'll switch once thunderbird is in the messaging indicator17:25
chrisccoulsonsabdfl, you're just trying to build a list of launchers on the panel and desktop?17:25
sabdfled zachary!17:26
sabdflchrisccoulson: ideally, sanitized so we know they are actually working launchers17:28
hyperairchrisccoulson: but it is..17:28
chrisccoulsonsabdfl - i don't have anything to hand, but it should be fairly trivial. all it needs to do really is enumerate a few desktop files (although i'm trying to figure out where gnome-panel stores it's launchers)17:31
chrisccoulsonand in doing so, i've crashed gnome-panel and gnome-settings-daemon \o/17:31
chrisccoulsonhyperair, what do you mean?17:31
didrockschrisccoulson: .gconf/apps/panel/toplevels/ but be careful, all the conf is written on first launch, even if you change nothing17:32
chrisccoulsondidrocks - thanks. i didn't realise it stored the launchers there though17:33
chrisccoulsonb'ah, my session is really messed up now17:33
sabdflSORRY :/17:36
chrisccoulsonoh, the session being broken is my fault ;)17:36
chrisccoulsondidrocks - oh, the panel launchers can be discovered by iterating the objects in /apps/panel/objects17:39
sabdflchrisccoulson: looks like /apps/panel/applets, which refer to /apps/panel/toplevels/<panel id>17:39
didrockschrisccoulson: yeah, but you don't know if there are still shown or not17:39
hyperairchrisccoulson: thunderbird is in the messaging indicator17:39
didrocksright, what sabdfl said ^17:39
hyperairchrisccoulson: at least, when you use the trunk libnotify plugin for thunderbird17:40
kenvandinejames_w`, what should we do with lucid branches that are out of date?17:51
james_w`kenvandine: example?17:51
kenvandinejames_w`, updates should be in lp:ubuntu/lucid/gwibber/lucid-updates17:51
kenvandineok, it is way out of date17:52
kenvandinei assume import failures?17:52
james_w`kenvandine: it looks up to date to me17:53
chrisccoulsonhyperair, i'm not using that though ;)17:53
kenvandineactually, bzr info for that branch says lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/gwibber/lucid17:53
hyperairchrisccoulson: you don't know what you're missing ;-)17:53
james_w`last revision was 7 weeks ago, last update was 7 weeks ago17:53
kenvandinejames_w`, wtf17:53
kenvandinebranching that got me an older version17:53
chrisccoulsonhyperair, that's likely to be in the archive next cycle (and hopefully pulled in by default)17:53
chrisccoulsonbut there are some things to resolve with it first17:54
james_w`kenvandine: ah, if you used that url you pasted then you got bit by a silly bug I think17:54
kenvandineit actually got me the lucid branch17:54
kenvandineok :)17:54
kenvandineso what url should i have used?17:54
james_w`kenvandine: lp:ubuntu/lucid-updates/gwibber or lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/gwibber/lucid-updates17:54
james_w`there's a bug filed on your issue already17:55
kenvandinejames_w`, indeed that url worked, cool17:56
james_w`sorry for the confusion17:56
kenvandinei did my initial round of testing with a merge-upstream on the wrong branch17:56
kenvandineend result should be the same, but i ended up doing a little extra testing17:57
james_w`that's never a bad thing ;-)17:57
james_w`I'll call it a feature17:57
hyperairchrisccoulson: yeah, i'd really like thunderbird to stow itself away in the indicator17:57
chrisccoulsonhyperair, yeah, me too :)18:03
bcurtiswxfirst things first.. evolution...18:04
bcurtiswxand i'm talking about minimizing to tray :P18:05
chrisccoulsonthat would probably be easier with evolution that it would be with thunderbird18:06
chrisccoulsonso, first things first, i'd like to just get thunderbird in to the messaging indicator by default ;)18:07
chrisccoulsonhaving it minimize to the indicator would probably require native indicator support in thunderbird, rather than an extension18:07
bcurtiswxchrisccoulson, lol, sounds good.18:08
chrisccoulsonmvo - i figured out bug 62787918:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 627879 in ubufox (Ubuntu) "package ubufox (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: no package named `ubufox' is installed, cannot configure (affects: 16) (dups: 7) (heat: 68)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62787918:10
chrisccoulsonthe ultimate-edition users have a package called ultimate-edition-customizations which completely replaces ubufox too18:11
chrisccoulsonso ubufox is totally empty after the upgrade18:11
chrisccoulsondo you think that's partly an apt bug then?18:11
seb128chrisccoulson, so what is that edition about then?18:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - it's just ubuntu  with a few more things installed by default and a not very nice theme18:23
chrisccoulsonoh, and menus-have-icons turned on by default18:23
chrisccoulsoni switched the theme to the stock ubuntu one straight after installing ;)18:24
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mvochrisccoulson: thanks for figuring this out19:31
mvochrisccoulson: its partly a apt bug, but I'm not sure I have time for maverick, its there forever bascily :/19:31
chrisccoulsonmvo - that's ok. it doesn't affect our default installs anyway, i'll leave it to the ubuntu-ultimate guys to figure it out, as they already seem to have quite a hacked setup anyway19:32
lamalexdidrocks, We're releasing Banshee 1.7.5 today with gio hardware backend :)19:32
didrockslamalex: awesome! but it's a little bit late for here ;) is there the new gpod release as well?19:34
lamalexdidrocks, yeah I believe so19:35
didrockslamalex: great ;)19:35
didrocksLaney: hyperair ^19:35
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mvodidrocks: no u1 sync still :(19:50
mvodidrocks: I'm so unhappy19:50
didrocksmvo: yeah, aquarius told me they are working on it. OneConf won't make it by default because of it for maverick :( It will still available to universe and will work once desktopcouch sync is fixed but apparently, it's a tricky bug triggering other bugs :/19:51
* didrocks is a little bit sad as we invested a lot of effort on that19:52
mvodidrocks: yeah, I want to play with it19:52
mvodidrocks: but having it in universe is great, it will get a lot of attention and then we can pull it in for N19:52
aquariusyou have no idea how sad I am about it. :(19:52
* mvo hugs aquarius19:53
* kenvandine hands aquarius a beer to drown his sorrows 19:54
* aquarius spent the afternoon writing up a huge long email explaining the exact issue with detailed logs today for the couch upstream people19:55
* didrocks hugs aquarius as well20:03
desrtdidrocks: he21:04
desrtou 'bon jour'21:04
didrocksbonjour desrt :)21:04
didrocks"bonsoir" rather ;)21:04
desrtah.  oui!21:04
desrtc'est vrai21:05
didrockscomment ça va ?21:05
didrockstrès bien ;)21:05
desrtnous allon a paris?21:05
didrocksoui, demain soir donc ? tu veux manger dans un restaurant particulier ?21:06
desrtchez antopolski & deluze dans fontenay sous bois?21:06
didrocksje cherche sur google :)21:06
desrttu ... uh.. will fail21:07
didrocksheh ;)21:07
desrtwe were going to cook dinner tomorrow21:07
desrtyou are more than welcome21:07
desrtwe could meet you in paris during the day21:08
didrockswell, I'm not on holidays, so we can meet in the evening (starting from 7PM)21:08
desrtah.  tricky.21:08
desrti guess your employer won't notice if you skip a day of work21:09
desrti bet they're a pretty dumb company21:09
didrocksno, it's not like if my boss can read that21:09
didrocksooopsss rickspencer3 ;)21:09
desrtrickspencer3: wanna hang out in paris tomorrow? :p21:10
rickspencer3I heard that!21:10
rickspencer3desrt, yes, don't start without me!21:10
didrocks(I think we will eat cold food so ;))21:10
desrtinteresting factoid: there is a disney world here, too21:11
didrocksyeah, it's the european one21:11
didrocksnot sign of quality in any case21:11
didrocks(I worked there when I was a student :))21:12
desrtas a canadian, i have to say, france and the USA have very much in common21:12
didrocksdon't know in which way you are telling that ;)21:12
didrocksgood common points or bad ones? :)21:12
desrti hear that france, for example, is the second largest consumer of mcdonalds21:12
desrtand you both have disney worlds for your respective continents21:13
didrocksthat's possible, mcdonalds is really popular there21:13
desrt(note: it can be left unsaid who the first consumer is) =)21:13
didrocksright, we really don't know who the first consumer can be ;)21:14
desrti've seen a lot of golden arches21:14
desrtbeen meaning to wander in to compare the menu to the north american one21:14
didrocksgolden arches?21:14
didrocksor the M ones21:14
desrtthe big "M" logo21:14
didrocksespecially in Paris21:14
desrtwe went on a bike tour yesterday21:15
desrtsaw some neat stuff21:15
didrocksdid you enjoy it?21:15
desrtya.  it was good times.21:15
desrtlots of back street routes21:15
desrtaround the core...21:15
desrtlike 1-621:15
didrocksand it's still the holidays, so hopefully, not a lot of traffic (yet)21:16
desrtya.  it's weird here!21:16
desrthow everyone just disappears all at once21:16
didrocksParis is empty in July/August21:17
didrockswhich is good because you have all the tourists coming :)21:17
desrtthat's probably why all the parisians leave :)21:18
didrocksheh, that's a reasonable explanation21:18
didrocksto sum up, yeah, I will unfortunately only available tomorrow evening, maybe can plan something around 6.30PM, but with unity release and beta, it will be quite busy again ;)21:19
desrtmy girlfriend is playing coeur de pirate for the locals21:21
desrt"this is what we listen to in canada"21:22
didrocksoh nice :)21:24
didrockswith the lyrics? (they are in french, right?)21:25
desrti'm surprised you haven't heard it21:25
desrtvuntz was saying that it's quite popular over here recently21:26
didrocksjust listening some podcasts, sounds really cute and calm. TBH I don't listen too much to the radio (too many cycle of some songs, cycling every 2 hours)21:27
desrtshe had a very slight popularity in canada about a year to a year and a half ago21:28
didrocksthat's what I read on wikipedia :)21:29
Laneydidrocks: yeah we know, hyperair is packaging the new libgpod release22:00
Laneyupstream are hopefully doing gkeyfile-sharp and gio-sharp releases22:00
Laneylamalex: do you know aboht that?22:00
lamalexLaney, know about what?22:01
lamalexI am upstream gkeyfile-sharp22:01
Laneyis there a release coming?22:01
lamalexyeah, tarball is up!22:01
Laneyoh SWEET!22:01
Laneygio and beans?22:01
Laneyyou sexy man22:02
lamalexyou can all thank me "later"22:02
lamalexI smell a hyperair-lamalex-laney sandwich22:03
didrockslamalex: great! :)22:03
didrocksthanks for the info lamalex22:03
didrocksdamned weechat completion :)22:03
Laneylamalex: does banshee have a dep on beans or is it bundled?22:03
lamalexI believe there's a dep22:04
* Laney checks configure.ac22:04
Laneydidrocks: there are a lot of lib updates to do22:09
didrocksLaney: hum, doesn't sound good :/ can I help in somehow? (or tomorrow morning if needed, getting late here)22:12
Laneyit's at least one new source package22:13
Laneyi'll see what we can do, then let you know tomorrow22:13
didrocksLaney: sure, do not hesitate (in any case, I have my IRC proxy, so you can ping me and I'll read tomorrow)22:14
LaneyIn any event if you can make the release team stuff easy then that would be great22:14
didrocksLaney: that will be, everyone involved is already aware :)22:15
Laneyand MIRs etc22:15
didrocks(already prepared and reviewed, just need a review of the new sources)22:16
didrocksbut before promoted, we will call for testing in any case22:16
didrocksthat feedback will make the final decision to make it by default in UNE this cycle on early in Natty alpha122:17
didrocks(crossing fingers to get it now) ;)22:17
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, i'll get to that bug report shortly :)23:13
bcurtiswx_kenvandine, bug #62842023:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 628420 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "double notifications upon sending an outgoing message (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62842023:20
bcurtiswx_want me to assign you?23:21

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