| === Zeike is now known as brandonj | ||
| thorwil | good morning! | 07:45 |
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| nisshh | hey thorwil :) | 07:45 |
| * thorwil starts to work on the quickshot logo | 07:46 | |
| godbyk | Mmm.. strawberries are delicious. | 10:10 |
| godbyk | And I have two pounds of 'em.. all to myself! | 10:10 |
| humphreybc | lol | 10:11 |
| humphreybc | what's up? | 10:11 |
| godbyk | Not much. | 10:12 |
| humphreybc | not much is good | 10:14 |
| godbyk | I should amend that: not much *at the moment*.. other than eating strawberries and watching hulu. :) | 10:14 |
| vish | hehe, for a sec i thought thorwil was gonna choke someone when they mentioned using a meerkat ;p | 10:27 |
| thorwil | vish: how would you know i didn't? ;) | 10:28 |
| vish | thorwil: I dint say i know you dint.. i thought you would ;p | 10:28 |
| godbyk | vish: lol. | 10:29 |
| godbyk | thorwil: true.. they haven't replied on that thread since... Hmm... | 10:29 |
| thorwil | vish: actually, the meerkat was nothing compared to turning "at least 3" into a definitive change after 3 | 10:32 |
| godbyk | yeah.. if I remember correctly, the 'at least three' meant that we'd stick with the same design for the whole set from LTS until the next. (changing at each LTS) | 10:34 |
| humphreybc | ? | 10:34 |
| vish | thorwil: well, i never knew when the plan was to have a new cover every release.. when i had done the alpha version, the plan was to just change the color at the tip alone every release.. and i thought that a single cover of sometime was the basis for rejecting wolter's design.. the sometime being for every LTS | 10:35 |
| thorwil | godbyk: heh, it was really just 3 in the sense of one more than a pair. you know the way you would put at least 3 elements into an icon, if you mean a group | 10:35 |
| vish | apart from thorwil's fear of the lynx ;p | 10:36 |
| godbyk | thorwil: ah, okay. | 10:36 |
| godbyk | vish: heh.. yeah. no one wanted to take on the task of drawing the new mascots each time. | 10:36 |
| vish | godbyk: if we some how convinced thorwil to use a meerkat .. pretty sure wolter will get pissed ;p | 10:37 |
| thorwil | godbyk: not just that. lynx would have been cool, though not hitting the desired posture/tone. meerkats would be ok. but a narwhal? catastrophe | 10:37 |
| godbyk | vish: ha! so true. | 10:37 |
| godbyk | thorwil: Hey, now. Don't diss narwhals! | 10:38 |
| vish | NARWHAAAAAAAAALLSSSSS rule! | 10:38 |
| thorwil | yaya, they're awesome | 10:38 |
| thorwil | jedi unicorns of the sea | 10:39 |
| vish | http://weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/ | 10:39 |
| nigelb | vish: you must be banned :p you're getting more people addicted :D :D :D | 11:35 |
| thorwil | addicted? i went 2 weeks without and only started to shiver a little bit | 11:49 |
| nigelb | thorwil: lol | 12:03 |
| === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar | ||
| nisshh | zkriesse: i didnt know you ran the Youth Team :) | 15:06 |
| === mrjazzcat-afk is now known as mrjazzcat | ||
| flan | http://chipx86.github.com/gtkparasite/ I fully intend to use this in my next GTK project, if only because of the artwork. | 15:34 |
| nisshh | flan: that project looks awesome, im going to check it out some more :) | 15:35 |
| flan | Lemme know if you find any really cool uses for it. | 17:23 |
| flan | I'm thinking it'll allow for better testing of procedural workflow designs. | 17:23 |
| flan | Like what we're doing with Quickshot. So we can bypass my whole insistance on making every window individually runnable. | 17:24 |
| flan | If a console can hijack the current window at any point, everything would become super-easy. | 17:24 |
| flan | Heck. I'm gonna switch modes and start using it tonight. | 17:25 |
| flan | It looks like a much cleaner approach. | 17:25 |
| flan | Aww... He died. :( | 17:26 |
| flan | His brain was eated by cute. | 17:26 |
| flan | 10:24 < flan> Like what we're doing with Quickshot. So we can bypass my whole | 17:30 |
| flan | insistance on making every window individually runnable. | 17:30 |
| flan | 10:24 < flan> If a console can hijack the current window at any point, | 17:30 |
| flan | everything would become super-easy. | 17:30 |
| flan | 10:25 < flan> Heck. I'm gonna switch modes and start using it tonight. | 17:30 |
| flan | 10:25 < flan> It looks like a much cleaner approach. | 17:30 |
| flan | 10:25 -!- nisshh [~ryan@ubuntu/member/nisshh] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 | 17:30 |
| flan | seconds] | 17:30 |
| flan | 10:26 < flan> Aww... He died. :( | 17:30 |
| flan | 10:26 < flan> His brain was eated by cute. | 17:30 |
| * flan spams. | 17:31 | |
| nisshh | flan: my net crapped itself at that point | 18:02 |
| nisshh | everything just went *pop* and dissapeared | 18:02 |
| nisshh | :) | 18:02 |
| flan | Nope. Brain eated by cute. | 18:14 |
| flan | True statement. | 18:14 |
| flan | End of discussion. | 18:15 |
| nisshh | lol flan :) | 18:19 |
| jenkins | flan: ping | 19:08 |
| thorwil | ping | 19:33 |
| vish | thorwil: that was a sad little piggy, err. ping! ;p | 19:33 |
| thorwil | vish: well, it worked, without addressee ;) | 19:34 |
| thorwil | but i fully support a pong for jenkins | 19:35 |
| jenkins | hey thorwil and vish how are you? | 19:36 |
| vish | thorwil: no worries,i'v got your 6! ;) | 19:36 |
| vish | jenkins: hey.. sleepy ;) [ just about to hit the sack :) ] | 19:36 |
| jenkins | flan: http://imagebin.org/112298 what is the purpose of the bits circled in red? | 19:37 |
| thorwil | jenkins: good, self? | 19:37 |
| jenkins | sleep well vish | 19:37 |
| jenkins | I am good thanks thorwil | 19:37 |
| thorwil | jenkins: i would suspect custom widgets to fill those gaps | 19:38 |
| jenkins | I suspect so as well but I just want to double check as the window is not organised as I would expect | 19:38 |
| jenkins | as far as glade goes | 19:39 |
| thorwil | got 2 artwork requests today, still a lack of those willing to pay, though | 19:39 |
| jenkins | thats not good, out of interest whats the going rate? | 19:39 |
| jenkins | I am a poor student :P | 19:39 |
| thorwil | jenkins: varies a lot. from 200 for like a full week to 450 per day, so far :} | 19:40 |
| jenkins | nice :) | 19:41 |
| thorwil | jenkins: recommendations say one should take at least 60 € per hour as freelancer | 19:41 |
| jenkins | there are recomendations for that sort of thing | 19:42 |
| thorwil | of course | 19:43 |
| jenkins | whats that page that ben added the projects to that tells you its worth if we paid everyone | 19:43 |
| thorwil | if i wouldn't live for cheap as it is already, i would have to move to some place in asia, or something | 19:44 |
| thorwil | ohloh? | 19:44 |
| flan | jenkins, they're just spacers. You'll see when you run it. | 19:44 |
| thorwil | http://www.ohloh.net/p/ubuntu-manual | 19:45 |
| jenkins | i thought they were any objections to removing them and reorganising the boxes flan? | 19:45 |
| flan | In the meantime, Parasite. I'm gonna drop the every-window-can-run-itself push in favour of using that. It looks awesome. (Google Parasite + Gnome) | 19:45 |
| flan | You can do whatever you feel looks good. | 19:45 |
| flan | I just provided my idea. | 19:45 |
| flan | Just make sure it's completely obvious. Like, that the user can't possibly get confused and fill in more information than they have to to complete any specific step. | 19:46 |
| flan | (To that end, I feel that a unique button is necessary for each path) | 19:46 |
| jenkins | thanks thorwil that was it | 19:46 |
| * flan AFKs for 1.5 hours. | 19:46 | |
| jenkins | flan: i want to keep the idea just reduce the boxes used etc | 19:46 |
| jenkins | later flan | 19:46 |
| === mrjazzcat is now known as mrjazzcat-lunch | ||
| jenkins | godbyk: ping | 19:54 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: hey! | 20:08 |
| jenkins | hey bilalakhtar I was about to contact you | 20:08 |
| jenkins | what would you like to help with? | 20:09 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: yes! I have branched the quickshot source, looking at it its clear it isn't running on maverick | 20:09 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: I am using maverick , can fix bugs | 20:09 |
| bilalakhtar | flan: Thanks for the memo! | 20:09 |
| jenkins | cool well it should work up to the first screen opening and that is as far as the gui goes at the moment | 20:10 |
| bilalakhtar | yes it does work to the full screne | 20:10 |
| bilalakhtar | then tells me I should be using lucid | 20:10 |
| bilalakhtar | I can easily solve that | 20:10 |
| jenkins | really what branch have you got i am using mavrick and do not have that? | 20:11 |
| jenkins | what revison is it? | 20:11 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: ah, I misused the word 'branch' | 20:11 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: I apt-get sourced from the PPA | 20:11 |
| * bilalakhtar branches it off now | 20:11 | |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: Actually I wanted to look at the deps | 20:11 |
| jenkins | are thats why its not working, we are rewrting from scratch at the moment so the old version is rather obsolete | 20:12 |
| jenkins | http://imagebin.org/112304 is the new first page | 20:12 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: cool! | 20:12 |
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| jenkins | i wrote the lucid thing as a fail safe for the manual team to avoid people taking screenshots on other versoins of ubuntu | 20:13 |
| jenkins | you will need to install quickly | 20:13 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: really? | 20:13 |
| bilalakhtar | hmm, ok | 20:14 |
| jenkins | well the project started as a quickly project and we have not worked out / had time to work out how to open the glade files with out doing "quickly design" | 20:14 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: Ah, that isn't difficult at all! | 20:15 |
| bilalakhtar | builder = gtk.Builder() | 20:15 |
| bilalakhtar | builder.add_from_file('PATH_TO_UI_FILE') | 20:15 |
| bilalakhtar | that's it! | 20:15 |
| jenkins | is that how to open them in glade to edit them? | 20:15 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: to open them in glade a double-click works | 20:16 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: you mean for the quickly UIs? I don't know about that | 20:16 |
| jenkins | yea me nether thats the only reason we are still using quickly o and quickly run but i expect there is an equivalent to that as well | 20:18 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: Project QStream on LP started off as a quickly project; in the middle I transitioned it away from Quickly because I don't like quickly | 20:19 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: and it appears I am not interested in quickshot any more, sorry | 20:19 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: I would contribute to the Ubuntu Manual rather | 20:19 |
| thorwil | jenkins: may i suggest "Welcome to Quickshot! Capture screenshots in a variety of languages, under specific conditions, to submit them to documentation projects." as short is better | 20:20 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: you are free to decline me from the team | 20:20 |
| jenkins | how come whats worng with quickly. I do all the release stuff? | 20:20 |
| jenkins | thanks for the suggestion | 20:20 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: I will see tomorrow; I have experience with Python and can definitely help; okay I will work | 20:21 |
| jenkins | you should give feed back to didrocks in #quickly he always want its. thanks that would be great | 20:21 |
| jenkins | look forward to talking to you tomorrow | 20:21 |
| bilalakhtar | Thanks jenkins ! | 20:23 |
| jenkins | no problem thank you have a good evening/day (depending on time zone) | 20:23 |
| bilalakhtar | jenkins: I have decided; just managed to run quickshot, looks good, don't have a good bandwidth right now so cannot install quickly, I will surely help now, starting from tomorrow. its late night in here | 20:24 |
| jenkins | cool, I will try and find out a way of not using quickly run and quickly desgin so you don't need to use them | 20:25 |
| bilalakhtar | bye, going | 20:26 |
| jenkins | flan: for some reason now the .ui files open in glade by clicking them | 20:27 |
| flan | I removed the legacy dependencies from the files. | 21:06 |
| flan | Their broken-except-by-opening-in-Quickly-ness bothered me. | 21:06 |
| jenkins | hey flan i tried to assign the start from url to the button but I could not get the button to do anything how do I get it to import into the bin/quickshot file? I tried the normal way | 21:08 |
| flan | I don't like Quickly, either, for the record. | 21:08 |
| flan | Like, at all. | 21:08 |
| flan | I think it embodies the same things I hate about using IDEs. | 21:09 |
| flan | And Glade over GTK calls. | 21:09 |
| flan | But I'm a control freak. | 21:09 |
| === mrjazzcat-lunch is now known as mrjazzcat | ||
| jenkins | well as the .ui files now open by clicking. what is the quickly run eqivilent command and we can stop using it | 21:11 |
| flan | It should just be ./quickshot | 21:11 |
| flan | Open the script in Python. | 21:11 |
| flan | You can continue using quickly run and quickly design, if you want. | 21:12 |
| flan | I've servered the core dependencies on Quickly. | 21:12 |
| flan | (I broke them all last night 'cause I didn't install Quickly before getting into my dad's truck, aos I had to develop stuff offline) | 21:13 |
| jenkins | I would like to know the equivlients as I would like to stop using quickly as i do all the release stuff and thats the hard bit | 21:13 |
| flan | Don't worry too much about wiring the buttons for now. I'll implement the main page tonight, to give you a working model for further development. | 21:13 |
| flan | sc source | 21:13 |
| flan | cd source #* | 21:14 |
| flan | bin/quickshot | 21:14 |
| flan | It should "just work". | 21:14 |
| jenkins | o right we can stop using quickly | 21:14 |
| flan | But a better solution would be to move quickshot out of bin/ and add a file-specific rule to the Debian path information. | 21:15 |
| * jenkins does sudo apt-get remove quickly | 21:15 | |
| flan | We still want the quickshot/ package in python-shared. But we also want to avoid import-path-mangling. | 21:15 |
| flan | Which using bin/ requires us to do. | 21:15 |
| flan | I'd advise against that. | 21:15 |
| flan | Keep using Quickly until we've got this working for the Maverick launch. | 21:16 |
| flan | Then we'll remove all legacy references to it in time for the official 1.0 release. | 21:16 |
| jenkins | well i can soon change the rules file so that the bin/quickshot file is some where else in the source | 21:16 |
| flan | Maverick will likely be server:1.0.0-preview and client:0.9.x. | 21:16 |
| jenkins | cool | 21:17 |
| jenkins | installed quickly again | 21:17 |
| flan | We'll fix bugs in each as they appear. | 21:17 |
| flan | And simultaneously commit non-critical enhancements to get the client up to 1.0.0 around the same time we release the manual. | 21:17 |
| flan | So, for now, getting it working's the biggest thing. | 21:18 |
| jenkins | sounds good. anything else I cna do | 21:18 |
| flan | I see you didn't like my separators. =P | 21:18 |
| * flan has a habit of using <hr/>s in web pages, too. | 21:18 | |
| jenkins | I am going to redo the about window when I get the time. I could not decide on the separators I decided against them in the end | 21:18 |
| flan | It looks good without them, though. | 21:18 |
| flan | For now, an error-reporting window is a must. | 21:19 |
| flan | I don't care if we just use GTKDialog (if you think it looks good) or subclass it or create a totally new window. | 21:19 |
| flan | But we need to be able to tell the user that a problem occurred, that details are available, and ask them to tell the program what to do to recover. | 21:20 |
| jenkins | how much do we want to display to the user? can we just say "an error occured pleas click "file a bug" to tell us what went wrong" ? | 21:20 |
| jenkins | I have no clue how they would recover the program but as we have apport support the bug stuff should be easy as it pulls in the last three logs | 21:21 |
| flan | "Oops! Something went wrong." "The gist of the problem is <...>" "The gory details follow." ("This error is non-recoverable", [send bug report] [make the developers guess at the problem] | "You can try contacting the server again" [Do it] [Nah] | "Your system's messed up beyond repair" [that sucks]) | 21:23 |
| flan | Not every problem will need a bug report. | 21:23 |
| flan | If the Qs server crashes mid-op or the user's network connection drops, we don't really care, from a bug-fixing standpoint. | 21:24 |
| flan | If it's an unhandled exception, then we'll need to ask for a report/let apport handle that/however whatever works. | 21:24 |
| jenkins | I think a gtk dialog is fine | 21:25 |
| flan | 'Kay. | 21:25 |
| flan | We can just use TextWrap to make it multi-line, as necessary. | 21:25 |
| jenkins | yep | 21:25 |
| flan | I'll write the convenience class behind it tonight, too. | 21:26 |
| flan | So, then, I guess the next thing you'll need to do is prototype the "Okay, the server's up and it told me I need to be a user named 'Juan Giseppe'. Why is this important and how can I set it up?" window. | 21:27 |
| flan | Should the user be given the option to skip this step? | 21:27 |
| jenkins | so the manual user case of a consitant user name on the pc or they need to give us details to do the project | 21:28 |
| flan | The manual user for consistency. | 21:29 |
| jenkins | also can we remove the http://imagebin.org/112311 bit please. alot of our windows are fixed dimensions so do not/can not be resized | 21:29 |
| jenkins | k'ay | 21:29 |
| flan | We can't collect contributor details this early, since they may need to change to another user. | 21:29 |
| flan | And then ~/.quickshot will change. | 21:29 |
| flan | If we let them skip this, there should be a warning that'll tell them that the project administrators may not be able to accept all uploaded screenshots. | 21:30 |
| flan | If we don't let them skip it, then, obviously, there won't be a warning. | 21:30 |
| jenkins | well we should only show it if the project needs it and not allow skiping | 21:31 |
| flan | That thing you pointed out is actually a status bar. I always find them a good way of providing background information to users about what's going on. | 21:31 |
| flan | For example, "Attempting to contact server..." | 21:31 |
| flan | Okay. No skipping. | 21:31 |
| flan | username = details['config'].get('username') | 21:32 |
| flan | if username: | 21:32 |
| flan | if not-current-user: | 21:32 |
| flan | show_window | 21:32 |
| flan | Probably also if it is the current user, but the Common attribute differs from what's expected. | 21:33 |
| flan | This is normally the user's "real name". | 21:33 |
| jenkins | ok can we remove the right hand dots form the status bar? | 21:33 |
| flan | I think so. I'll look into that tonight. | 21:34 |
| jenkins | it makes sense to keep the status bar. kay thanks | 21:34 |
| flan | I'm kinda surprised that calling set_resizable(False) leaves them enabled. | 21:34 |
| jenkins | I don't know its strange | 21:34 |
| flan | Oh. | 21:34 |
| flan | That's easy. | 21:34 |
| flan | In base.py, add the following: | 21:35 |
| flan | (Anywhere that makes sense after self._sbr... has been declared) | 21:35 |
| flan | Actually, no. | 21:35 |
| flan | Don't do it there. | 21:35 |
| flan | project_selection.py | 21:35 |
| flan | Find the code that says "self.set_resizable(...)" | 21:36 |
| flan | Immediately below that, add this line: self._sbr_<...>.set_has_resize_grip(self.get_resizable()) | 21:36 |
| flan | Where <...> is whatever I called the status bar in base.py. | 21:37 |
| flan | Replicate that through all the new .py files. | 21:37 |
| jenkins | ok thanks will do | 21:37 |
| flan | Reference: http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkstatusbar.html#method-gtkstatusbar--set-has-resize-grip | 21:38 |
| jenkins | yep that works, There is one window that is allowed to be expanded so i will not take it off of that | 21:39 |
| flan | Add the code anyway. | 21:39 |
| flan | It only disables it if the window is itself unresizable. | 21:39 |
| flan | If the window's resizable, the code's a no-op, effectively. | 21:40 |
| flan | It's just more consistent and it leaves full control in the Glade layer. | 21:40 |
| flan | (In case you ever want to make the window fixed-size-y. | 21:41 |
| jenkins | done, i will do a very rough user account set up window and tidy it up tomorrow. | 21:41 |
| flan | 'Kay. | 21:41 |
| flan | The next step after that is screen-resolution. | 21:42 |
| flan | (Probably) | 21:43 |
| flan | (Maybe it's uploader details) | 21:43 |
| flan | (But we can inject uploader details later) | 21:43 |
| jenkins | I will look at those tomorrow I need to go to bed soon. uploader one is there already | 21:45 |
| flan | 'Kay. | 21:45 |
| flan | I'll probably retouch all the Glade files today to make sure all the objects have conventional names. | 21:46 |
| flan | btn_whatever | 21:46 |
| flan | I probably won't mess with layout. | 21:46 |
| flan | I'll just get the welcome screen working and move some logic into modules/comments in appropriate modules. | 21:46 |
| flan | And get an error-reporting system in place. | 21:47 |
| flan | And the recent-projects system. | 21:47 |
| jenkins | cool I have done a rought window that looks awful but will do fine for if you want to impliment it will push it in about 10 mins | 21:51 |
| flan | 'Kay. | 21:52 |
| flan | I'm leaving aesthetics to you. | 21:52 |
| flan | Hopefully, we'll be able to maintain pace with each other until we're ready for the next UMP burst. | 21:53 |
| jenkins | we should be able to if i can get all the windows you want implace with all the boxes etc in it I can paly with the lay out untill my heart is content | 21:55 |
| flan | <3 | 21:55 |
| jenkins | right night flan and all | 21:56 |
| flan | G'night~ | 21:56 |
| === mrjazzcat is now known as mrjazzcat-afk | ||
| === mrjazzcat-afk is now known as mrjazzcat | ||
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