[00:02] Riddell: do you still use kpackagekit cmd line options or you are using the DBus interface or maybe no one of the two :P ? [00:05] Riddell: cause I'm going to change the KPackageKit name now that 0.6.1 is out because of the app-install support which is nearly done. Just need to add the software Center categories and change how I do display package descriptions.. [00:06] but I'm unsure to change the cmd name now.. [00:12] * dantti_work is going home... [00:38] dantti_work: I think we replaced all and any use of the cmdline options with qapt-batch [00:38] or rather JontheEchidna did ^^ [01:18] \ [01:53] dantti_work: I don't think we use the kpackagekit command line or dbus interface [03:51] Riddell: sorry taking so long for the release notes [03:51] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Beta/Kubuntu [03:53] I did not find proper images for qapt-batch, or global menu, and don't see the global menu when switching to plamsa-netbook and restarting the session === DarkwingDuck is now known as Darkwing|BRB [03:56] claydoh: On plasma-netbook if you're in search and launch or newspaper it should just say menu in the left of the panel. [03:57] Fire up an application like konsole, quassel, etc and it'll give you the actual application menu there [03:57] I did see that but never saw a full menu will try again [03:57] just saw 'close'\ [04:05] this 'ole laptop does not like plasma-netbook :( [04:16] hmm, no CD images yet [04:18] ooh, they're building === Darkwing|BRB is now known as DarkwingDuck [05:01] oh yeah http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100902/ [05:04] * ScottK will test in ~7 hours. Crashing. [05:26] .win 17 [05:32] #fail === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [07:03] we should do something about this libdbus issue [07:03] it affects lots of KDE apps in bad ways... [07:03] see comment from Peter Penz here: [07:03] http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/31/kde-releases-451#comments [07:04] maybe the 4.5.1 package could be patched? the fix is in trunk [07:05] (or maybe Penz means libdbus trunk) === agateau_ is now known as agateau [08:26] markey: trouble is when I've asked Thiago about it he's suggested I don't want to patch libdbus because it's a behaviour change [08:26] and I tend to trust Thiago [08:26] I wonder what other distros are doing [08:27] yeah, I did read Thiago's comments on the bug report for libdbus [08:28] hmm [08:30] did he really say that? his comments suggest that the patch is not problematic [08:30] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17754 [08:30] Freedesktop bug 17754 in core "Race condition in protected_change_timeout" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [08:31] it's what he said on IRC to me [08:31] I don't know if the patch to 1.3 applies cleanly to 1.2 [08:32] ah yes, 1.2 [08:32] that is a problem [08:32] "The patch that is in this bug report is for the 1.3 branch. Forget 1.2 for it." [08:33] would be good to know what Penz recommends [08:33] is he ever on IRC? [08:33] it would, no he's not on IRC [09:40] Oh wow, I just noticed desktop effects work now :D [09:42] they didn't before? [09:46] good morning Kubuntu [09:48] Riddell: I always had issues with them on this card, not sure when the change came in, as I hadnt checked since before 4.5 [09:48] hell apachelogger [09:48] hello even [09:48] lol [09:49] I think apachelogger is heavenly [09:50] ohh [09:50] * apachelogger blushes [09:50] ubersnuggle [09:50] ^^ [09:52] curious - Im getting a strange error trying to install the ati fglrx driver though... [09:52] SystemError: installArchives() failed [09:53] jussi: it is broken [09:54] maverick got xorg 1.9 or some such [09:54] apachelogger: its lucid. [09:54] and that thing is ABI incompatible with previous version [09:54] ah [09:54] jussi: that is interesting though ^^ [09:54] jussi: is installArchives() from apt-get? [09:55] apachelogger: jockey gave that error [09:55] oh [09:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/487142/ [09:55] sounds like pyth0rn problem [09:55] how do I fixor that? [09:56] just as it says I would suppose [09:57] its evilness! [09:58] * jussi cries a little [09:59] well... silly amd producing producing closed source foo... silly jockey falling over his own feet... [09:59] I must blame them all for being silly [10:00] [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902090055-qh1z9irpqen8pwer * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [10:06] kamoso : Depends: libvlc2 (>= 1.0.0~rc) but it is not going to be installed [10:06] what the fudge? [10:06] does any do any rdepends anymore before uploading a new lib version? [10:07] 11am and I already need to be grumpy ... [10:10] lol, that was easy... didnt actually have to fiddle too much, only: sudo apt-get remove fglrx-amdcccle [10:10] :D [10:12] mind, jockey fails everytime [10:12] [kdenetwork] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902091225-47q7xq0qd334sqv2 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Fix name of kubuntu_03_no_mediastramer_in_wlm.diff to kubuntu_03_no_mediastreamer_in_wlm.diff (s/stramer/streamer) [10:12] Riddell: ^ can we please upstream that patch (by introducing a cmake switch) [10:13] apachelogger: yes, it was a quick fix to get it in for beta, don't le tme forget [10:13] apachelogger: ahh, seems like there is a kernal update. I suppose tha would do it, no? (not having it installed) [10:14] Riddell: I expect that we will forget if not done right away ^^ [10:14] * apachelogger puts it on today's todo [10:14] jussi: what would it do? [10:15] mhhh [10:15] new kmix is in trunk [10:16] what's new? [10:18] Riddell: completely restructured [10:19] Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=128251687318632&w=2 [10:19] from what I understand this would also permit the soundmenu foo that was supposed to be talked about [10:20] since UI is seperated from backend now and dbus magic is available [10:20] http://christian.esken.de/kmix/screenshots.html [10:24] interesting [10:24] agateau: ^^ [10:25] * agateau reads [10:25] * Riddell reminds the world about beta testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [10:25] although desktop CDs may get redone yet [10:27] those sliders are screaming for more height [10:29] interesting, but not sure this will help with soundmenu [10:29] Riddell: ^^ [10:33] agateau: what would help with soundmenu is actually discussing it :P [10:34] Riddell: any thoughts on replacing now-broken kamoso with an unstable snapshot that is supposed to work with vlc 1.1? [10:34] apachelogger: or even better, getting someone with enough time to work on it! [10:35] agateau: ^^ [10:35] if there were an implementation concept we could probably try selling the idea to some idle haxx0r [10:36] [kdebase-runtime] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902093553-a067259d73jgyqe3 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [10:36] apachelogger: does a gnome implementation count? [10:36] no [10:36] agateau: from the mails aseigo and notmart wrote in may I got the idea they want the underlying bits different to begin with [10:37] and IIRC I found the suggestions sensible at the time [10:37] apachelogger: honestly I am a bit fed up with Plasma these days [10:38] :) [10:38] * apachelogger hugs agateau [10:38] * agateau feels all warmed up [10:38] * agateau hugs back [10:40] oh noes! [10:40] lex forgot to commit files [10:40] :/ [10:40] * apachelogger puts kdebindings on hold [10:44] [kdebase] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902094410-tyw26os5xbs7fgey * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [10:47] [kdetoys] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902094715-slqcnilr49q3pj5g * debian/ (changelog control) releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [10:53] [kdeutils] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902095340-w92x2a17t66kxzyq * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [10:57] [kdeplasma-addons] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902095726-4f70dmsc6zq4yyck * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [10:59] [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902095950-un9kk2acsrm8u1l2 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 [11:03] [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902100358-re2s1xr7i1p4kbqw * debian/ (changelog rules) New upstream release [11:05] Riddell, ScottK: oxygen-icons, workspace, edu and artwork need to be uploaded by someone else [11:06] bindings is missing a qyoto fix from lex for which I would recommend to wait [11:06] also there are apparently pending sync requests [11:06] * apachelogger is doing l10n now [11:19] [kamoso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902101927-tldq2m8otfciqwim * debian/ (8 files in 3 dirs) sync with archive [11:32] Hrm, Ive a strange issue with 4,5 on lucid. If I open klipper, and click on a line, the dialog stays there and there is no indication it has been selected. (my view is th box should disappear on clicking the selected line) [11:32] Does anyone else get this? [11:33] jussi: bug 616370 [11:33] Launchpad bug 616370 in Kubuntu PPA "Klipper shortcut and usage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616370 [11:36] alvin: thank you [11:52] ladies and gents, je tu present, kubuntu-mobile! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/daily-live/20100902/ [11:53] I wonder if it does anything [11:59] Riddell: kubuntu mobile? what is that aimed at? [12:00] IBM mainframes [12:00] hahahaahahahahahahahahaha... [12:01] seriously? mobile phones or netbooks / tablets or? [12:03] N900 type devices [12:04] but it only comes in i386? [12:04] for testing, more importantly ARM too with luck [12:04] * jussi will be trying it out! [12:04] downloading now [12:05] I've no idea if it does anything as I say, in theory it should boot up into a live image with the plasma mobile workspace [12:07] WHoa. [12:24] Riddell: Are you going to be able to take care of any of the packages on apachelogger's work list? I'd planned on doing workspace since I've got a patch from him to add. [12:26] ScottK: not today, tomorrow sure but today I need to do beta stuff only [12:26] OK. [12:26] Riddell: You got the release goddess's note on Kubuntu input to the release announcement? [12:27] I can review that if you haven't? [12:28] I've got the request, haven't responded yet [12:28] also claydoh's beta page needs reviewed [12:40] Where do I find claydoh's page? [12:42] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Beta/Kubuntu [12:42] Hey guys. Something new for you http://i.imgur.com/eRnCQ.jpg :D [12:42] review needed for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu [12:42] Thanks. [12:43] sheytan: that's looking good [12:43] Riddell thank you :) [12:43] finally found a way to get rid of that bad looking images on top [12:43] :D [12:46] jussi: any luck with kubuntu-mobile? [12:46] slow download... [12:46] waiting still [12:46] killall ktorrent should help :) [12:46] hahahahahahha [12:47] I dont run ktorrent at work [12:47] That you're willing to admit to on a logged channel. [12:47] hahah [13:05] Riddell, works fine in virtualbox not up2date [13:09] hello all! [13:09] its jussi. [13:09] marseillai: what does? [13:09] Im on the kubuntu mobile live cd [13:09] ooh good [13:09] it boots... [13:09] >D [13:09] Riddell: I went through the Todo page and updated claydoh's document. I think it's at least complete. [13:09] ubuntu_: can you get a screenshot [13:10] Riddell, the upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 [13:10] ScottK: great [13:10] marseillai: lovely [13:10] marseillai: please fill in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4481 [13:10] for i386 [13:10] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4480 for amd64 [13:10] Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/TjnWXegV.html [13:11] hmm, that looks a lot like plasma-desktop [13:11] it doesnt seem incredibly different from the normal desktop [13:11] guess it's not picking up the mobile login thing [13:12] Riddell, the only things is that kpackagekit tolds me i have update to do during upgrade and ask me if I want to do them. It could confuse many people and even if it's not really dangerous could be improve. [13:12] Riddell: also, the initial cd splash is ubuntu, not kubuntu [13:12] ubuntu_: you can killall plasma-desktop; plasma-mobile [13:13] I forget what the plasma-mobile switch it to make it full screen [13:13] Rekonq http://imagebin.ca/view/63S6mc.html [13:13] ubuntu_: check in /usr/share/xsessions/ for the plasma-mobile switch [13:14] new desktop images up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100902.1/ [13:14] http://pastebin.ca/1931098 [13:15] ubuntu_: dude, you broke it! [13:15] rbelem is going to get mad [13:15] and you don't want to see him when he's mad [13:15] Yeah, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about when they trip off. [13:16] Riddell: hehe [13:19] Riddell: I've done the Ubuntu tech overview too. Please review them both when you can. [13:20] ScottK: on the same page? [13:20] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview [13:20] oh that's where it is [13:24] Documentation's done. Now for a bit of testing. [13:32] Pulseaudio defaul? :D [13:33] what was before? :D [13:33] phonon/alsa. [13:33] Now we have phonon/pulseaudio/alsa [13:33] ScottK doesn't phonon work with PA? [13:33] Oh yeah [13:34] Will we get the speaker testing GUI ? :D [13:34] in ubuntu there's one [13:34] and i saw one for KDE [13:34] If it's in KDE 4.5, we have it. [13:34] i don't think so. It's propably for 4.6 [13:35] I do know getting the microphone to work on my netbook with Skype was hugely easier this time. [13:35] I didn't manage to work on lucid ;( [13:36] Btw, who's that dude who is porting software center to KDE/qt? [13:36] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100902123600-xf56ntdq7cstqzaa * debian/patches/kubuntu_70_optimize_kratingspainter.diff More efficiency by using a more appropriate KIconEffect::apply() overload [13:38] sheytan: dantti_work is enhancing kpackagekit to provide much of the same functionality. [13:38] ScottK Yep, i know, but am looking for software center port ;D [13:38] dantti even promissed a new app software center like :D [13:39] I don't thnk one of those is happening. [13:41] it is ;) [13:41] i saw some screenshots here :D [13:42] you answered your own question, dantti is doing an application focused kpackagekit module [13:42] Riddell No, that was someone else :P [13:42] really :D [13:42] and this looked like U SC :D [13:43] JontheEchidna is doing an application focused muon app [13:44] Nope, still not this one :D [13:49] Riddell: Did you fix anything that would make it more likely the install icon would be there during the live session on plasma netbook? [13:49] ScottK: yes that's all sorted [13:49] OK. Cool. I got it this time. [13:52] * ScottK preblames crimsun_ for insisting Kubuntu switch to pulseaudio by default. [13:52] Riddell: I got wifi after jockey-text -a in the live session. [13:53] (with broadcom) [13:53] that sounds like a good thing [13:53] Yes. Never managed that before. [14:01] sheytan: hmm what's the difference of what I'm doing? [14:02] dantti_work as you said: kpk is a package manager :) [14:02] shadeslayer: not any more [14:02] But, when you start doing something like Software Center - then there's no difference (maybe the GUI) :D [14:03] I would be but I gave up on doing another app, I can image I saying to my wife, go and install firefox in software center , then go to Kpackagekit and install firefox-i18n package :P [14:04] so I added the "application center" functionality and I'm going to rename KPackageKit to sound less "packaging" [14:05] shadeslayer: and it's actually pretty much finished already [14:06] KApplicationKit ! [14:06] Dantti_work may i see some shots? :D [14:06] * Riddell spots new DVDs being built [14:07] Riddell: I'm working on the i386 live tests. I won't be able to do wubi though [14:09] me neither [14:09] I also need to leave in 3 hours so I may well miss the release [14:13] Riddell: KApplicationKit was actually a not so bad name [14:13] eek! it's a terrible name! [14:13] sheytan: applications come FIRST! :P http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopgy2659 [14:13] Riddell: the new name is AppGet :D [14:13] it has an ugly K prefix and a pointless Kit suffix [14:13] AppGet is funky [14:14] * dantti_work see some people thinking of apt-get :P [14:17] sheytan: I have a coworker here that is helping me with CSS to show the details nicely :) [14:19] dantti_work what about making it like in USC? I mean add a little button on the bottom with 'show technical items' :D [14:19] This will cleanup the list [14:20] sheytan: I can add that but let it disable by default [14:21] dantti_work i think you can make it optional, but enabled by default :) [14:21] simple users really don't care about dependiences [14:22] l10n is the uploaded [14:22] and if someone is looking for stuff like libkdewhatever, then he knows the package name ;P [14:23] I as developer do not even give a foo about dependencies :P [14:23] well he knows the package name but it will be hidden and will not be aware of that [14:23] they are useful to go rant at people for producing broken packaging at best ;) [14:27] hmmm [14:27] Riddell: I wonder what that mediastreamer foo in wlm is anyway [14:28] apachelogger: something to do with voice recordings [14:30] ah [14:30] voice clips sending [14:30] whatever the point of that might be [14:31] patch ready [14:33] why the [14:34] why do kdenetwork's build-deps drag in policykit-1-gnome?! [14:39] dantti_work well, the please make it, enabled or disabled by default, but make it :) [14:39] oh yeah, and please add like a checkbox, don't make it that way, to every time enable it when you use kpk ;D [14:40] ehm [14:40] ehmmmmm [14:41] me@avatar:~/src/svn/kde/kde/kdenetwork/kopete/build$ apt-cache show libappindicator0 | grep Recommends [14:41] Recommends: indicator-application (= 0.2.3-0ubuntu2) [14:41] now [14:41] seriously [14:41] you know [14:41] *sigh* [14:42] agateau: ^ can you please tell your colleagues that does not make sense [14:42] might be kenvandine's doing, in which case my colleague is at fault [14:42] sheytan: k, I'll add to optons to filters menu, Show Applications first, and Only show applications. ok for you? [14:43] someone please poke some colleague [14:43] * apachelogger is too lazy to report that as bug [14:43] apachelogger: why do you bother with this? [14:43] rationale: drags in legacy technology when apachelogger wants to build kdenetwork [14:44] agateau: becuase pointless dependencies bump up build time quite considerably [14:44] apachelogger: how can libappindicator0 be involved in building kdenetwork? [14:44] agateau: that is the next question [14:44] apachelogger: do you have the next answer? [14:44] :) [14:44] but having a lib recommend an app that uses the lib is just wrong [14:44] agateau: no, working on that [14:45] Riddell: Is the lack of warning to remove the live media at reboot intentional? [14:45] dantti_work yees :D [14:45] Thank you :) [14:45] apachelogger: I agree, but I think we should let them keep track of their own weirdness, as long as it does not affect us [14:45] ScottK: I've had a note to remove a CD after installing from CD [14:45] apachelogger: that's why I am more interested in why libappindicator0 was required [14:46] sheytan: AppGet will also have one more cool feature, I'll show you when it's ready [14:46] Riddell: OK. Not getting that from USB. I'll file a bug. [14:46] dantt_work OK :D [14:46] agateau: as a packager I am concerned by every wrong package ;) [14:46] apachelogger: you must pick your battles :) [14:46] fixing the dep is not much of a battle ;) [14:47] Riddell: Apparently I can't test "Guided" either since I don't have a legacy OS to install next to. [14:48] agateau, Riddell: libappindicator1 has the same problem [14:49] ScottK: you should be able to do a second install to get a guided option [14:50] Riddell: It just installed over the first one. [14:50] I guess that's a bug then. [14:51] could be bug 628815 [14:51] Launchpad bug 628815 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot resize from kubuntu partitioner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628815 [14:51] * ScottK looks [14:52] dantti_work what about the 'AppCenter' name? [14:52] or 'AppWorld' [14:52] Riddell: No. I never get any options at all. It just installs. AFAICT Guided and erase and use entire disk end up the same place. [14:53] :D [14:55] sheytan: www.appcenter.com [14:55] appworld sounds like helloworld :P [14:56] Marketplace at least comes with a K in it. [14:56] but it's android one [14:56] i think [14:56] including a k isn't a bonus [14:57] "Thing that's no longer called KDE Marketplace" [14:57] sheytan: it is. [14:57] agateau: libtelepathy-qt4-dev somehow drags in that gnome foo [14:57] so we can't use it [14:57] most likely via gstreamer [14:57] * apachelogger waves fist at gstreamer [15:00] * agateau suggests ApplicationDevil to dantti_work :) [15:00] ooh good one [15:00] Riddell: I remembered you suggested MenuDevil for dbusmenu-qt :) [15:00] here i a thought [15:00] how about a cool name :P [15:00] like lazarus :P [15:01] apachelogger: no, that's overrated :) [15:01] agateau: I don't like devil sulfixes :P [15:01] dantti_work: don't worry, was just a joke :) [15:01] "applogger" [15:01] I think AppGet is a nice and yet simple name [15:01] I agree [15:01] no K's no Packages and no Kit's :P [15:02] I am wondering whether people won't be confused between apt-get and AppGet though [15:02] Especially while talking [15:02] Why not Software Center? :D [15:03] KSC :D [15:05] new DVDs are up for testing [15:06] Riddell: Did you have a dist-upgrade tool that needs testing? [15:07] ryanakca: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu [15:24] Source format V3 may be the death of me yet. [15:26] ScottK: How so? [15:27] Trying to patch a patch and have it stick is hard. [15:27] aha! [15:27] ha! [15:27] hu [15:27] You can't just patch the package with the debdiff and be done. [15:27] muhahaha [15:27] Yes. Your fault. [15:28] agateau: so... [15:28] kdenetwork builddpends on libtelepathy-qt4-dev [15:29] that depends on libtelepathy-qt4-farsight0 [15:29] that depends on libtelepathy-farsight0 [15:29] that depends on libgstfarsight0.10-0 [15:29] that depends on gstreamer0.10-plugins-base [15:30] that depends on gvfs (!) [15:30] that depends on policykit-1-gnome (!) [15:30] that depends on libappindicator1 [15:30] that recommends indicator-application (!) [15:31] wow [15:31] things marked with (!) are apparently fooey apackage relations [15:31] apachelogger: the fact that gstreamer depends on gvfs does not shock me, gstreamer plugins needs a way to access various urls [15:31] s/urls/io protocols/ [15:32] ok [15:32] surely it should not go for policykit gnome though [15:32] considering a KDE implementation is available [15:32] yes [15:32] isn't there a virtual package for that? [15:32] not sure [15:32] gotta check [15:33] apachelogger: what is policykit-1-gnome, an application? [15:33] * agateau knows nothing about policykit [15:33] agateau: a gui for polkit I suppose [15:34] see, backend and GUI are completely seperate and the backend will try to get authorization from the gui via dbus [15:34] I see [15:34] I don't think it makes sense for gvfs to depend on it, does it? [15:35] not really [15:35] gvfs needs to depend on the backend, it is of no concern to it what GUI is there [15:35] or if any [15:35]