[00:02] <dantti_work> Riddell: do you still use kpackagekit cmd line options or you are using the DBus interface or maybe no one of the two :P ?
[00:05] <dantti_work> Riddell: cause I'm going to change the KPackageKit name now that 0.6.1 is out because of the app-install support which is nearly done. Just need to add the software Center categories and change how I do display package descriptions.. 
[00:06] <dantti_work> but I'm unsure to change the cmd name now..
[00:12]  * dantti_work is going home...
[00:38] <apachelogger> dantti_work: I think we replaced all and any use of the cmdline options with qapt-batch
[00:38] <apachelogger> or rather JontheEchidna did ^^
[01:18] <claydoh> \
[01:53] <Riddell> dantti_work: I don't think we use the kpackagekit command line or dbus interface
[03:51] <claydoh> Riddell: sorry taking so long for the release notes
[03:51] <claydoh> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Beta/Kubuntu
[03:53] <claydoh> I did not find proper images for qapt-batch, or global menu, and don't see the global menu when switching to plamsa-netbook and restarting the session
[03:56] <ScottK> claydoh: On plasma-netbook if you're in search and launch or newspaper it should just say menu in the left of the panel.
[03:57] <ScottK> Fire up an application like konsole, quassel, etc and it'll give you the actual application menu there
[03:57] <claydoh> I did see that but never saw a full menu will try again
[03:57] <claydoh> just saw 'close'\
[04:05] <claydoh> this 'ole laptop does not like plasma-netbook :( 
[04:16] <Riddell> hmm, no CD images yet
[04:18] <Riddell> ooh, they're building
[05:01] <Riddell> oh yeah http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100902/
[05:04]  * ScottK will test in ~7 hours.  Crashing.
[05:26] <freeflying> .win 17
[05:32] <nigelb> #fail
[07:03] <markey> we should do something about this libdbus issue
[07:03] <markey> it affects lots of KDE apps in bad ways...
[07:03] <markey> see comment from Peter Penz here:
[07:03] <markey> http://dot.kde.org/2010/08/31/kde-releases-451#comments
[07:04] <markey> maybe the 4.5.1 package could be patched? the fix is in trunk
[07:05] <markey> (or maybe Penz means libdbus trunk)
[08:26] <Riddell> markey: trouble is when I've asked Thiago about it he's suggested I don't want to patch libdbus because it's a behaviour change
[08:26] <Riddell> and I tend to trust Thiago
[08:26] <Riddell> I wonder what other distros are doing
[08:27] <markey> yeah, I did read Thiago's comments on the bug report for libdbus
[08:28] <markey> hmm
[08:30] <markey> did he really say that? his comments suggest that the patch is not problematic
[08:30] <markey> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17754
[08:31] <Riddell> it's what he said on IRC to me
[08:31] <Riddell> I don't know if the patch to 1.3 applies cleanly to 1.2
[08:32] <markey> ah yes, 1.2
[08:32] <markey> that is a problem
[08:32] <markey> "The patch that is in this bug report is for the 1.3 branch. Forget 1.2 for it."
[08:33] <markey> would be good to know what Penz recommends
[08:33] <markey> is he ever on IRC?
[08:33] <Riddell> it would, no he's not on IRC
[09:40] <jussi> Oh wow, I just noticed desktop effects work now :D
[09:42] <Riddell> they didn't before?
[09:46] <apachelogger> good morning Kubuntu
[09:48] <jussi> Riddell: I always had issues with them on this card, not sure when the change came in, as I hadnt checked since before 4.5
[09:48] <jussi> hell apachelogger
[09:48] <jussi> hello even
[09:48] <jussi> lol
[09:49] <Riddell> I think apachelogger is heavenly
[09:50] <apachelogger> ohh
[09:50]  * apachelogger blushes
[09:50] <apachelogger> ubersnuggle
[09:50] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:52] <jussi> curious - Im getting a strange error trying to install the ati fglrx driver though...
[09:52] <jussi> SystemError: installArchives() failed
[09:53] <apachelogger> jussi: it is broken
[09:54] <apachelogger> maverick got xorg 1.9 or some such
[09:54] <jussi> apachelogger: its lucid.
[09:54] <apachelogger> and that thing is ABI incompatible with previous version
[09:54] <apachelogger> ah
[09:54] <apachelogger> jussi: that is interesting though ^^
[09:54] <apachelogger> jussi: is installArchives() from apt-get?
[09:55] <jussi> apachelogger: jockey gave that error
[09:55] <apachelogger> oh
[09:55] <jussi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/487142/
[09:55] <apachelogger> sounds like pyth0rn problem
[09:55] <jussi> how do I fixor that?
[09:56] <apachelogger> just as it says I would suppose
[09:57] <jussi> its evilness!
[09:58]  * jussi cries a little
[09:59] <apachelogger> well... silly amd producing producing closed source foo... silly jockey falling over his own feet...
[09:59] <apachelogger> I must blame them all for being silly
[10:00] <CIA-71> [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902090055-qh1z9irpqen8pwer * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[10:06] <apachelogger>  kamoso : Depends: libvlc2 (>= 1.0.0~rc) but it is not going to be installed
[10:06] <apachelogger> what the fudge?
[10:06] <apachelogger> does any do any rdepends anymore before uploading a new lib version?
[10:07] <apachelogger> 11am and I already need to be grumpy ...
[10:10] <jussi> lol, that was easy... didnt actually have to fiddle too much, only: sudo apt-get remove fglrx-amdcccle 
[10:10] <jussi> :D
[10:12] <jussi> mind, jockey fails everytime
[10:12] <CIA-71> [kdenetwork] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902091225-47q7xq0qd334sqv2 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Fix name of kubuntu_03_no_mediastramer_in_wlm.diff to kubuntu_03_no_mediastreamer_in_wlm.diff (s/stramer/streamer)
[10:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ can we please upstream that patch (by introducing a cmake switch)
[10:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, it was a quick fix to get it in for beta, don't le tme forget
[10:13] <jussi> apachelogger: ahh, seems like there is a kernal update. I suppose tha would do it, no? (not having it installed)
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I expect that we will forget if not done right away ^^
[10:14]  * apachelogger puts it on today's todo
[10:14] <apachelogger> jussi: what would it do?
[10:15] <apachelogger> mhhh
[10:15] <apachelogger> new kmix is in trunk
[10:16] <Riddell> what's new?
[10:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: completely restructured
[10:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=128251687318632&w=2
[10:19] <apachelogger> from what I understand this would also permit the soundmenu foo that was supposed to be talked about
[10:20] <apachelogger> since UI is seperated from backend now and dbus magic is available
[10:20] <apachelogger> http://christian.esken.de/kmix/screenshots.html
[10:24] <Riddell> interesting
[10:24] <Riddell> agateau: ^^
[10:25]  * agateau reads
[10:25]  * Riddell reminds the world about beta testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[10:25] <Riddell> although desktop CDs may get redone yet
[10:27] <agateau> those sliders are screaming for more height
[10:29] <agateau> interesting, but not sure this will help with soundmenu
[10:29] <agateau> Riddell: ^^
[10:33] <apachelogger> agateau: what would help with soundmenu is actually discussing it :P
[10:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: any thoughts on replacing now-broken kamoso with an unstable snapshot that is supposed to work with vlc 1.1?
[10:34] <agateau> apachelogger: or even better, getting someone with enough time to work on it!
[10:35] <apachelogger> agateau: ^^
[10:35] <apachelogger> if there were an implementation concept we could probably try selling the idea to some idle haxx0r
[10:36] <CIA-71> [kdebase-runtime] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902093553-a067259d73jgyqe3 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[10:36] <agateau> apachelogger: does a gnome implementation count?
[10:36] <apachelogger> no
[10:36] <apachelogger> agateau: from the mails aseigo and notmart wrote in may I got the idea they want the underlying bits different to begin with
[10:37] <apachelogger> and IIRC I found the suggestions sensible at the time
[10:37] <agateau> apachelogger: honestly I am a bit fed up with Plasma these days
[10:38] <apachelogger> :)
[10:38]  * apachelogger hugs agateau
[10:38]  * agateau feels all warmed up
[10:38]  * agateau hugs back
[10:40] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[10:40] <apachelogger> lex forgot to commit files
[10:40] <apachelogger> :/
[10:40]  * apachelogger puts kdebindings on hold
[10:44] <CIA-71> [kdebase] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902094410-tyw26os5xbs7fgey * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[10:47] <CIA-71> [kdetoys] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902094715-slqcnilr49q3pj5g * debian/ (changelog control) releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[10:53] <CIA-71> [kdeutils] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902095340-w92x2a17t66kxzyq * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[10:57] <CIA-71> [kdeplasma-addons] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902095726-4f70dmsc6zq4yyck * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[10:59] <CIA-71> [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902095950-un9kk2acsrm8u1l2 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[11:03] <CIA-71> [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902100358-re2s1xr7i1p4kbqw * debian/ (changelog rules) New upstream release
[11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: oxygen-icons, workspace, edu and artwork need to be uploaded by someone else
[11:06] <apachelogger> bindings is missing a qyoto fix from lex for which I would recommend to wait
[11:06] <apachelogger> also there are apparently pending sync requests 
[11:06]  * apachelogger is doing l10n now
[11:19] <CIA-71> [kamoso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902101927-tldq2m8otfciqwim * debian/ (8 files in 3 dirs) sync with archive
[11:32] <jussi> Hrm, Ive a strange issue with 4,5 on lucid. If I open klipper, and click on a line, the dialog stays there and there is no indication it has been selected. (my view is th box should disappear on clicking the selected line)
[11:32] <jussi> Does anyone else get this?
[11:33] <alvin> jussi: bug 616370
[11:36] <jussi> alvin: thank you
[11:52] <Riddell> ladies and gents, je tu present, kubuntu-mobile! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/daily-live/20100902/
[11:53] <Riddell> I wonder if it does anything
[11:59] <jussi> Riddell: kubuntu mobile? what is that aimed at?
[12:00] <Riddell> IBM mainframes
[12:00] <jussi> hahahaahahahahahahahahaha...
[12:01] <jussi> seriously? mobile phones or netbooks / tablets or?
[12:03] <Riddell> N900 type devices
[12:04] <jussi> but it only comes in i386?
[12:04] <Riddell> for testing, more importantly ARM too with luck
[12:04]  * jussi will be trying it out!
[12:04] <jussi> downloading now
[12:05] <Riddell> I've no idea if it does anything as I say, in theory it should boot up into a live image with the plasma mobile workspace
[12:07] <alvin> WHoa.
[12:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to be able to take care of any of the packages on apachelogger's work list?  I'd planned on doing workspace since I've got a patch from him to add.
[12:26] <Riddell> ScottK: not today, tomorrow sure but today I need to do beta stuff only
[12:26] <ScottK> OK.
[12:26] <ScottK> Riddell: You got the release goddess's note on Kubuntu input to the release announcement?
[12:27] <ScottK> I can review that if you haven't?
[12:28] <Riddell> I've got the request, haven't responded yet
[12:28] <Riddell> also claydoh's beta page needs reviewed
[12:40] <ScottK> Where do I find claydoh's page?
[12:42] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Beta/Kubuntu
[12:42] <sheytan> Hey guys. Something new for you http://i.imgur.com/eRnCQ.jpg :D
[12:42] <Riddell> review needed for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[12:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:43] <Riddell> sheytan: that's looking good
[12:43] <sheytan> Riddell thank you  :)
[12:43] <sheytan> finally found a way to get rid of that bad looking images on top
[12:43] <sheytan> :D
[12:46] <Riddell> jussi: any luck with kubuntu-mobile?
[12:46] <jussi> slow download...
[12:46] <jussi> waiting still
[12:46] <Riddell> killall ktorrent  should help :)
[12:46] <jussi> hahahahahahha
[12:47] <jussi> I dont run ktorrent at work
[12:47] <ScottK> That you're willing to admit to on a logged channel.
[12:47] <jussi> hahah
[13:05] <marseillai> Riddell, works fine in virtualbox not up2date
[13:09] <ubuntu_> hello all!
[13:09] <ubuntu_> its jussi. 
[13:09] <Riddell> marseillai: what does?
[13:09] <ubuntu_> Im on the kubuntu mobile live cd
[13:09] <Riddell> ooh good
[13:09] <ubuntu_> it boots...
[13:09] <ubuntu_> >D
[13:09] <ScottK> Riddell: I went through the Todo page and updated claydoh's document.  I think it's at least complete.
[13:09] <Riddell> ubuntu_: can you get a screenshot
[13:10] <marseillai> Riddell, the upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10
[13:10] <Riddell> ScottK: great
[13:10] <Riddell> marseillai: lovely
[13:10] <Riddell> marseillai: please fill in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4481
[13:10] <Riddell> for i386
[13:10] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4480 for amd64
[13:10] <ubuntu_> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/TjnWXegV.html
[13:11] <Riddell> hmm, that looks a lot like plasma-desktop
[13:11] <ubuntu_> it doesnt seem incredibly different from the normal desktop
[13:11] <Riddell> guess it's not picking up the mobile login thing
[13:12] <marseillai> Riddell, the only things is that kpackagekit tolds me i have update to do during upgrade and ask me if I want to do them. It could confuse many people and even if it's not really dangerous could be improve.
[13:12] <ubuntu_> Riddell: also, the initial cd splash is ubuntu, not kubuntu
[13:12] <Riddell> ubuntu_: you can killall plasma-desktop;  plasma-mobile
[13:13] <Riddell> I forget what the plasma-mobile switch it to make it full screen
[13:13] <ubuntu_> Rekonq http://imagebin.ca/view/63S6mc.html
[13:13] <Riddell> ubuntu_: check in /usr/share/xsessions/ for the plasma-mobile switch
[13:14] <Riddell> new desktop images up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20100902.1/
[13:14] <ubuntu_> http://pastebin.ca/1931098
[13:15] <Riddell> ubuntu_: dude, you broke it!
[13:15] <Riddell> rbelem is going to get mad
[13:15] <Riddell> and you don't want to see him when he's mad
[13:15] <ScottK> Yeah, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about when they trip off.
[13:16] <ubuntu_> Riddell: hehe
[13:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I've done the Ubuntu tech overview too.  Please review them both when you can.
[13:20] <Riddell> ScottK: on the same page?
[13:20] <ScottK> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
[13:20] <Riddell> oh that's where it is
[13:24] <ScottK> Documentation's done.  Now for a bit of testing.
[13:32] <sheytan> Pulseaudio defaul? :D
[13:33] <sheytan> what was before? :D
[13:33] <ScottK> phonon/alsa.
[13:33] <ScottK> Now we have phonon/pulseaudio/alsa
[13:33] <sheytan> ScottK doesn't phonon work with PA?
[13:33] <sheytan> Oh yeah
[13:34] <sheytan> Will we get the speaker testing GUI ? :D
[13:34] <sheytan> in ubuntu there's one
[13:34] <sheytan> and i saw one for KDE
[13:34] <ScottK> If it's in KDE 4.5, we have it.
[13:34] <sheytan> i don't think so. It's propably for 4.6
[13:35] <ScottK> I do know getting the microphone to work on my netbook with Skype was hugely easier this time.
[13:35] <sheytan> I  didn't manage to work on lucid ;(
[13:36] <sheytan> Btw, who's that dude who is porting software center to KDE/qt?
[13:36] <CIA-71> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100902123600-xf56ntdq7cstqzaa * debian/patches/kubuntu_70_optimize_kratingspainter.diff More efficiency by using a more appropriate KIconEffect::apply() overload
[13:38] <ScottK> sheytan: dantti_work is enhancing kpackagekit to provide much of the same functionality.
[13:38] <sheytan> ScottK Yep, i know, but am looking for software center port ;D
[13:38] <sheytan> dantti even promissed a new app software center like :D
[13:39] <ScottK> I don't thnk one of those is happening.
[13:41] <sheytan> it is ;)
[13:41] <sheytan> i saw some screenshots here :D
[13:42] <Riddell> you answered your own question, dantti is doing an application focused kpackagekit module
[13:42] <sheytan> Riddell No, that was someone else :P
[13:42] <sheytan> really :D
[13:42] <sheytan> and this looked like U  SC :D
[13:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna is doing an application focused muon app
[13:44] <sheytan> Nope, still not this one :D
[13:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you fix anything that would make it more likely the install icon would be there during the live session on plasma netbook?
[13:49] <Riddell> ScottK: yes that's all sorted
[13:49] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.  I got it this time.
[13:52]  * ScottK preblames crimsun_ for insisting Kubuntu switch to pulseaudio by default.
[13:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I got wifi after jockey-text -a in the live session.
[13:53] <ScottK> (with broadcom)
[13:53] <Riddell> that sounds like a good thing
[13:53] <ScottK> Yes.  Never managed that before.
[14:01] <dantti_work> sheytan: hmm what's the difference of what I'm doing?
[14:02] <sheytan> dantti_work as you said: kpk is a package manager :)
[14:02] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: not any more
[14:02] <sheytan> But, when you start doing something like Software Center - then there's no difference (maybe the GUI) :D
[14:03] <dantti_work> I would be but I gave up on doing another app, I can image I saying to my wife, go and install firefox in software center , then go to Kpackagekit and install firefox-i18n package :P
[14:04] <dantti_work> so I added the "application center" functionality and I'm going to rename KPackageKit to sound less "packaging"
[14:05] <dantti_work> shadeslayer: and it's actually pretty much finished already
[14:06] <Riddell> KApplicationKit !
[14:06] <sheytan> Dantti_work may i see some shots? :D
[14:06]  * Riddell spots new DVDs being built
[14:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm working on the i386 live tests.  I won't be able to do wubi though
[14:09] <Riddell> me neither
[14:09] <Riddell> I also need to leave in 3 hours so I may well miss the release
[14:13] <dantti_work> Riddell: KApplicationKit was actually a not so bad name
[14:13] <Riddell> eek! it's a terrible name!
[14:13] <dantti_work> sheytan: applications come FIRST! :P  http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopgy2659
[14:13] <dantti_work> Riddell: the new name is AppGet :D
[14:13] <Riddell> it has an ugly K prefix and a pointless Kit suffix
[14:13] <Riddell> AppGet is funky
[14:14]  * dantti_work see some people thinking of apt-get :P
[14:17] <dantti_work> sheytan: I have a coworker here that is helping me with CSS to show the details nicely :)
[14:19] <sheytan> dantti_work what about making it like in USC? I mean add a little button on the bottom with 'show technical items' :D
[14:19] <sheytan> This will cleanup the list
[14:20] <dantti_work> sheytan: I can add that but let it disable by default
[14:21] <sheytan> dantti_work  i think you can make it optional, but enabled by default :)
[14:21] <sheytan> simple users really don't care about dependiences
[14:22] <apachelogger> l10n is the uploaded
[14:22] <sheytan> and if someone is looking for stuff like libkdewhatever, then he knows the package name ;P
[14:23] <apachelogger> I as developer do not even give a foo about dependencies :P
[14:23] <dantti_work> well he knows the package name but it will be hidden and will not be aware of that
[14:23] <apachelogger> they are useful to go rant at people for producing broken packaging at best ;)
[14:27] <apachelogger> hmmm
[14:27] <apachelogger> Riddell:  I wonder what that mediastreamer foo in wlm is anyway
[14:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: something to do with voice recordings
[14:30] <apachelogger> ah
[14:30] <apachelogger> voice clips sending
[14:30] <apachelogger> whatever the point of that might be
[14:31] <apachelogger> patch ready
[14:33] <apachelogger> why the 
[14:34] <apachelogger> why do kdenetwork's build-deps drag in policykit-1-gnome?!
[14:39] <sheytan> dantti_work well, the please make it, enabled or disabled by default, but make it :)
[14:39] <sheytan> oh yeah, and please add like a checkbox, don't make it that way, to every time enable it when you use kpk ;D
[14:40] <apachelogger> ehm
[14:40] <apachelogger> ehmmmmm
[14:41] <apachelogger> me@avatar:~/src/svn/kde/kde/kdenetwork/kopete/build$ apt-cache show libappindicator0 | grep Recommends
[14:41] <apachelogger> Recommends: indicator-application (= 0.2.3-0ubuntu2)
[14:41] <apachelogger> now
[14:41] <apachelogger> seriously
[14:41] <apachelogger> you know
[14:41] <apachelogger> *sigh*
[14:42] <apachelogger> agateau: ^ can you please tell your colleagues that does not make sense
[14:42] <Riddell> might be kenvandine's doing, in which case my colleague is at fault
[14:42] <dantti_work> sheytan: k, I'll add to optons to filters menu, Show Applications first, and  Only show applications. ok for you?
[14:43] <apachelogger> someone please poke some colleague
[14:43]  * apachelogger is too lazy to report that as bug
[14:43] <agateau> apachelogger: why do you bother with this?
[14:43] <apachelogger> rationale: drags in legacy technology when apachelogger wants to build kdenetwork
[14:44] <apachelogger> agateau: becuase pointless dependencies bump up build time quite considerably
[14:44] <agateau> apachelogger: how can libappindicator0 be involved in building kdenetwork?
[14:44] <apachelogger> agateau: that is the next question
[14:44] <agateau> apachelogger: do you have the next answer?
[14:44] <agateau> :)
[14:44] <apachelogger> but having a lib recommend an app that uses the lib is just wrong
[14:44] <apachelogger> agateau: no, working on that
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the lack of warning to remove the live media at reboot intentional?
[14:45] <sheytan> dantti_work yees :D
[14:45] <sheytan> Thank you :)
[14:45] <agateau> apachelogger: I agree, but I think we should let them keep track of their own weirdness, as long as it does not affect us
[14:45] <Riddell> ScottK: I've had a note to remove a CD after installing from CD
[14:45] <agateau> apachelogger: that's why I am more interested in why libappindicator0 was required
[14:46] <dantti_work> sheytan: AppGet will also have one more cool feature, I'll show you when it's ready
[14:46] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Not getting that from USB.  I'll file a bug.
[14:46] <sheytan> dantt_work OK :D
[14:46] <apachelogger> agateau: as a packager I am concerned by every wrong package ;)
[14:46] <agateau> apachelogger: you must pick your battles :)
[14:46] <apachelogger> fixing the dep is not much of a battle ;)
[14:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Apparently I can't test "Guided" either since I don't have a legacy OS to install next to.
[14:48] <apachelogger> agateau, Riddell: libappindicator1 has the same problem
[14:49] <Riddell> ScottK: you should be able to do a second install to get a guided option
[14:50] <ScottK> Riddell: It just installed over the first one.
[14:50] <ScottK> I guess that's a bug then.
[14:51] <Riddell> could be bug 628815
[14:51]  * ScottK looks
[14:52] <sheytan> dantti_work what about the 'AppCenter' name?
[14:52] <sheytan> or  'AppWorld'
[14:52] <ScottK> Riddell: No. I never get any options at all.  It just installs.  AFAICT Guided and erase and use entire disk end up the same place.
[14:53] <sheytan> :D
[14:55] <dantti_work> sheytan: www.appcenter.com
[14:55] <dantti_work> appworld sounds like helloworld :P
[14:56] <ScottK> Marketplace at least comes with a K in it.
[14:56] <sheytan> but it's android one
[14:56] <sheytan> i think
[14:56] <Riddell> including a k isn't a bonus
[14:57] <ScottK> "Thing that's no longer called KDE Marketplace"
[14:57] <ScottK> sheytan: it is.
[14:57] <apachelogger> agateau: libtelepathy-qt4-dev somehow drags in that gnome foo
[14:57] <sheytan> so we can't use it
[14:57] <apachelogger> most likely via gstreamer
[14:57]  * apachelogger waves fist at gstreamer
[15:00]  * agateau suggests ApplicationDevil to dantti_work :)
[15:00] <Riddell> ooh good one
[15:00] <agateau> Riddell: I remembered you suggested MenuDevil for dbusmenu-qt :)
[15:00] <apachelogger> here i a thought
[15:00] <apachelogger> how about a cool name :P
[15:00] <apachelogger> like lazarus :P
[15:01] <agateau> apachelogger: no, that's overrated :)
[15:01] <dantti_work> agateau: I don't like devil sulfixes :P
[15:01] <agateau> dantti_work: don't worry, was just a joke :)
[15:01] <Riddell> "applogger"
[15:01] <dantti_work> I think AppGet is a nice and yet simple name
[15:01] <Riddell> I agree
[15:01] <dantti_work> no K's no Packages and no Kit's :P
[15:02] <agateau> I am wondering whether people won't be confused between apt-get and AppGet though
[15:02] <agateau> Especially while talking
[15:02] <sheytan> Why not Software Center? :D
[15:03] <sheytan> KSC :D
[15:05] <Riddell> new DVDs are up for testing
[15:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: Did you have a dist-upgrade tool that needs testing? 
[15:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:24] <ScottK> Source format V3 may be the death of me yet.
[15:26] <ryanakca> ScottK: How so?
[15:27] <ScottK> Trying to patch a patch and have it stick is hard.
[15:27] <apachelogger> aha!
[15:27] <apachelogger> ha!
[15:27] <apachelogger> hu
[15:27] <ScottK> You can't just patch the package with the debdiff and be done.
[15:27] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[15:27] <ScottK> Yes.  Your fault.
[15:28] <apachelogger> agateau: so...
[15:28] <apachelogger> kdenetwork builddpends on libtelepathy-qt4-dev
[15:29] <apachelogger> that depends on libtelepathy-qt4-farsight0
[15:29] <apachelogger> that depends on libtelepathy-farsight0
[15:29] <apachelogger> that depends on libgstfarsight0.10-0
[15:29] <apachelogger> that depends on gstreamer0.10-plugins-base
[15:30] <apachelogger> that depends on gvfs (!)
[15:30] <apachelogger> that depends on policykit-1-gnome (!)
[15:30] <apachelogger> that depends on libappindicator1
[15:30] <apachelogger> that recommends indicator-application (!)
[15:31] <agateau> wow
[15:31] <apachelogger> things marked with (!) are apparently fooey apackage relations
[15:31] <agateau> apachelogger: the fact that gstreamer depends on gvfs does not shock me, gstreamer plugins needs a way to access various urls
[15:31] <agateau> s/urls/io protocols/
[15:32] <apachelogger> ok
[15:32] <apachelogger> surely it should not go for policykit gnome though
[15:32] <apachelogger> considering a KDE implementation is available
[15:32] <agateau> yes
[15:32] <agateau> isn't there a virtual package for that?
[15:32] <apachelogger> not sure
[15:32] <apachelogger> gotta check
[15:33] <agateau> apachelogger: what is policykit-1-gnome, an application?
[15:33]  * agateau knows nothing about policykit
[15:33] <apachelogger> agateau: a gui for polkit I suppose
[15:34] <apachelogger> see, backend and GUI are completely seperate and the backend will try to get authorization from the gui via dbus
[15:34] <agateau> I see
[15:34] <agateau> I don't think it makes sense for gvfs to depend on it, does it?
[15:35] <apachelogger> not really
[15:35] <apachelogger> gvfs needs to depend on the backend, it is of no concern to it what GUI is there
[15:35] <apachelogger> or if any
[15:35] <agateau> I agree
[15:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Is it appropriate for do-release-upgrade to quit if it receives a 404 when trying to fetch sources lists (third party) or does that deserve a bug report?
[15:35] <agateau> apachelogger: fixing this would probably reduce the amount of gnome stuff dragged in when installing gstreamer
[15:36] <agateau> apachelogger: do we package phonon gstreamer backend?
[15:36] <ryanakca> s/sources lists/package index files/
[15:36] <agateau> apachelogger: we do
[15:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: you can report a bug I suppose, I doubt it'll get fixed I'm afraid
[15:37] <agateau> apachelogger: so I guess anyone installing phonon-backend-gstreamer will end up with policykit-1-gnome and libappindicator1!
[15:37] <dantti_work> policykit1-gnome is a GUI for gnome
[15:37] <dantti_work> the auth dialog
[15:37] <dantti_work> like polkit-kde
[15:38] <apachelogger> agateau: yes, actually that seems to be the only bogus package relation
[15:38] <apachelogger> various things drag in a bit of gnome lib
[15:39] <apachelogger> namely libgnome-keyring0 is pulled in by 3 packages of which at least 1 is caused by gvfs recommending gvfs-backends
[15:39] <agateau> apachelogger: I just checked libgnome-keyring0, it only depends on glib stuff
[15:39] <agateau> apachelogger: no gtk
[15:40] <agateau> apachelogger: it suggests gnome-keyring of course
[15:40] <agateau> apachelogger: so gvfs would be gtk free if it weren't for policykit-1-gnome
[15:40] <agateau> *wasn't
[15:40] <apachelogger> libgtk is pulled in by gconf anyway
[15:40] <apachelogger> which is necessary for gst
[15:40] <agateau> oh
[15:41] <apachelogger> and some other thing, but I do not really see that anymore ^^
[15:41] <agateau> apachelogger: it doesn't seem to be the case here
[15:42] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/dot.ps
[15:42] <apachelogger> agateau: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good actually
[15:43] <apachelogger> also it i listed in the same colum as where the gvfs-backend tree spans so I suppose things in there could also depend on gconf
[15:43] <agateau> apachelogger: omg
[15:44] <dantti_work> agateau: the relation is probably due to someone trying to use gvfs withtou the auth dialog with makes the app useless but in fact it will still be useless if the user is using another desktop that doesn't lauch the gnome-polkit
[15:44] <apachelogger> agateau: huh? 
[15:44] <agateau> dantti_work: if it's dbus based I assume polkit-1-kde would provide the same service, right?
[15:44] <dantti_work> even on gnome the the user still must logout so that polkit-gnome auto starts
[15:45] <agateau> apachelogger: just opened your .ps file :)
[15:45] <apachelogger> oh ^^
[15:45] <dantti_work> agateau: yes, polkit-kde provides that, the only thing is that it has to logout and login
[15:45] <apachelogger> agateau: that is the streamlined graph with the end nodes: libqtcore4 pkg-config libqt4-dev libxml2 libglib2.0-0 libdbus-1-3 libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0                    
[15:45] <apachelogger>  ;)
[15:45] <dantti_work> after installed
[15:45] <apachelogger> also oonly going 7 levels deep
[15:46] <agateau> dantti_work: so if there was a virtual package for policykit gui, the dependency could be avoided, right?
[15:46] <agateau> dantti_work: and it would be up to the {k,}ubuntu-desktop package to install the appropriate gui package
[15:46] <agateau> apachelogger: thanks for sparing me :)
[15:46] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:46] <dantti_work> agateau: a virtual package like policykit-gui that provides gnome or kde?
[15:47] <apachelogger> the graph rendered like super slow with the Qt tree too ;)
[15:47] <dantti_work> if so then yes
[15:47] <agateau> dantti_work: yes
[15:47] <dantti_work> polkit1-gui would probably be a better name
[15:47] <agateau> dantti_work: I guess it's too late for Maverick unfortunately
[15:47]  * apachelogger thinks agateau will now go talk to seb128 about this ^^
[15:47] <dantti_work> yep..
[15:48] <agateau> apachelogger: actually I was wondering what Riddell was thinking about all this :)
[15:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[15:48]  * apachelogger actually just wanted to make one of our patches obsolete :P
[15:48] <Riddell> hmm? what's the question?
[15:48]  * apachelogger continues on that task
[15:48] <agateau> apachelogger: if it's not too late I'd gladly talk to seb128 indeed
[15:49] <agateau> Riddell: libtelepathy-qt4 depends on gvfs which depends on policykit-1-gnome
[15:49] <agateau> Riddell: we were saying that if there was a virtual policykit-1-gui package, then gvfs could be made gtk free
[15:50] <agateau> Riddell: which would reduce the amount of gtk/gnome deps dragged in when you install gstreamer stuff
[15:50] <Riddell> yes that would be good
[15:50] <Riddell> or just policykit-1-gnome | policykit-1-kde
[15:50] <Riddell> although I'm not convinced libtelepathy-qt4 should be depending on gvfs at all
[15:52] <agateau> rahh... got cut
[15:52] <agateau> resending my last sentence just in case
[15:52] <agateau> Riddell: but there is no virtual package for policykit gui, and I guess it's too late to create one
[15:53] <Riddell> 15:50 < Riddell> yes that would be good
[15:53] <Riddell> 15:50 < Riddell> or just policykit-1-gnome | policykit-1-kde
[15:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is indirect because telepathy supports media streaming stuffs and for that it requires libforsight which depends on gstreamer which of course drags in a billion plugins and those depend on gvfs agateau says
[15:53] <apachelogger> !find libv4l2.h maverick
[15:54] <apachelogger> oh
[15:54] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:57] <agateau> Riddell: how does apt-get select which one to install if you set "policykit-1-gnome | policykit-1-kde" as a dependency?
[15:57] <Riddell> agateau: it installs the first one it finds if none are already installed
[15:58] <agateau> Riddell: could be a problem I guess
[16:00] <apachelogger> virtual package would certainly be better
[16:00] <apachelogger> -- Building Windows Live Messenger voice clip support :D
[16:00] <Riddell> agateau: why?
[16:02] <CIA-71> [kopete] sitter * 1171055 * trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/protocols/ (CMakeLists.txt wlm/CMakeLists.txt) Add WITH_WLM_MEDIASTREAMER option to allow our friends from Kubuntu to build WLM without linking to mediastreamer.
[16:03] <CIA-71> [kopete] sitter * 1171056 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdenetwork/kopete/protocols/ (CMakeLists.txt wlm/CMakeLists.txt) Backport r1171055. Add WITH_WLM_MEDIASTREAMER option to allow our friends from Kubuntu to build WLM without linking to mediastreamer.
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[16:05] <Riddell> lovaly, thanks apachelogger 
[16:06] <bulldog98> new kdevelop release
[16:08] <apachelogger> bulldog98: are you fixing kdelibs?
[16:08] <bulldog98> apachelogger: no haven’t fixed it. What’s wrong with it?
[16:11] <apachelogger> dunno, I got a FTBFS mail
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: mobile is a bit ... fat?
[16:12] <apachelogger> 800 MiB for a phone workspace...
[16:23] <sheytan> Hey
[16:23] <sheytan> if i want to compile trunk
[16:23] <sheytan> do i have to remove kde packages?
[16:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: revised workspace package is going up now.
[16:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: mobile is known to need a serious diet.
[16:39] <ScottK> So far we just added mobile stuff.  We didn't remove non-mobile stuff.
[16:39] <ScottK> rbelem has this diet as a homework assignment.
[16:51] <ofirk> jjesse: hey
[16:54] <ofirk> Riddell: hi :)
[16:57] <ScottK> Whoever was testing kubuntu-mobile, it's on the iso tracker now
[16:58] <Riddell> hi ofirk 
[16:58] <Riddell> jussi: ^^
[17:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Updated the known issues section on claydoh's page with my installation fun.
[17:21] <Riddell> ScottK: can you update the kubuntu section of known issues in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview too
[17:21] <Riddell> and get the two pages to match for known issues
[17:21] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:22] <Riddell> thanks ScottK 
[17:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Done
[17:29] <sheytan> http://i.imgur.com/LqDnc.jpg JOIN US! JOIN US! :D
[17:33] <nigelb> sheytan: that is tempting
[17:33] <yofel> sheytan: can't, I'm already in :P (looks great! - but the bugsquad description doesn't make sense, missing something?)
[17:33] <sheytan> thank you guys :D
[17:33] <nigelb> if it weren't for the lucid 8xx freezes I would be on Kubuntu instead of erm.. err.. Debian 
[17:33] <sheytan> yofel might be. Text needs review ;)
[17:34] <yofel> ok
[17:34] <sheytan> this one is now under development :D
[17:34] <ScottK> nigelb: 8xx which?  I have an 865 system that works very nicely.
[17:35] <sheytan> so it will be alive soon ;)
[17:35] <nigelb> ScottK: yeah, you told me.  All my attempts have failed
[17:35] <nigelb> I tried alternate cd too, no go :(
[17:36] <nigelb> It fails at lang packs, unsure if its cd problem or bug though
[17:36] <ScottK> nigelb: OK.  I think 845/855 breakage is a fairer way to put it.
[17:36] <nigelb> ScottK: yep, mine's a 855GM 
[17:36] <nigelb> but I've got other systems with freeze which works okay with vesa
[17:37] <nigelb> the one system where I wanted to put kubuntu refuses to work with lucid
[17:37] <ScottK> The 865 situation is not ideal, but not horrible.
[17:40] <apachelogger> wah
[17:40] <apachelogger> dpkg is seriously scary stuff
[17:41] <sheytan> Hey
[17:41] <sheytan> what about making the defaul activiti a folder view one instead of putthing this ugly plasmoid on the desktop?
[17:41] <sheytan> will look better and do the same
[17:42] <apachelogger> #plasma
[17:47] <sheytan> apachelogger i think it's more kubuntu related :P
[17:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: how si that?
[17:48] <sheytan> apachelogger because kubuntu can have different settings then KDE
[17:48] <apachelogger> KDE would not benefit of getting rid of something "ugly"?
[17:49] <sheytan> but doing it, it will look better ;D
[17:49] <sheytan> imho :D
[17:49] <apachelogger> so it should be changed in KDE clearly
[17:49] <apachelogger> since the current KDE setting is not ultimately awesome
[17:55] <sheytan> maybe yes, but they might don't agree with me :D
[17:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: I do very much think it is a matter of reasoning rather than initial agreement
[17:56] <apachelogger> if you have sound reasons why one is better than the other then you just need to sell them properly
[17:56] <ScottK> Tm_T: Will have a powerpc image for you to test momentarily
[17:58]  * apachelogger is wondering whether implement a QDebFile class would make sense ^^
[17:59] <apachelogger> OTOH for useful information such as file listing one would need to have decompression units around :/
[18:00]  * apachelogger abandons that idea
[18:06] <Quintasan> hello
[18:11] <hunger> When will the beta get released? How long will it take for kde 4.5.1 debs to become available in maverick afterwards?
[18:12] <ArGGu^^> Hello, can I ask question that is not related to kubuntu, but is related to qt4?
[18:13] <hunger> ArGGu^^: You can, but chances are higher to get that answered in #qt.
[18:15] <ArGGu^^> I already asked from there, but they suggest that I ask from someone more expert with openssl license
[18:15] <ScottK> hunger: We have most of 4.5.1 uploaded and just waiting for the archive to unfreeze.  Unfortunately we aren't the only ones, so it may be a bit to get it fully built.
[18:15] <ScottK> ArGGu^^: Go ahead and ask.
[18:16] <ArGGu^^> so my question is that. Can I use gpl v2 with my application that uses QSslsocket with dynamic linking?
[18:18] <ScottK> QSslsocket is provided by Qt, not openssl, right?
[18:18] <ArGGu^^> Qsslsocket uses openssl
[18:19] <ArGGu^^> And openssl has incompatibility with gpl
[18:19] <ScottK> I'm familiar with that.
[18:19] <ScottK> I believe that is OK.  You only need to consider the license compatibility of stuff you link with directly.
[18:20] <ArGGu^^> ScottK ok. Thanks for the help :)
[18:20] <apachelogger> *nod*
[18:20] <apachelogger> as long as your code does not link against it you are fine
[18:28] <hunger> ScottK: Thanks for the info.
[18:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: What else needed to be uploaded for 4.5.1 and is it all in bzr?
[18:29]  * ScottK did workspace
[18:32] <Tm_T> ScottK: can I test it tomorrow morning
[18:32] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.
[18:32] <Tm_T> ? I'm not feeling well;
[18:34] <ScottK> Tomorrow is fine.
[18:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: see wiki
[18:44] <apachelogger> artwork, icons and edu are still missing
[18:44] <apachelogger> of which all should be in bzr
[18:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  What's the username we use on ktown again?
[18:45] <apachelogger> oh and bindings, but that is blocked by lex having done an incomplete commit
[18:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: ftpubuntu
[18:48] <ScottK> Sigh.
[18:48] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:48] <ScottK> He lives near you.  Go get him to finish it.
[18:50] <apachelogger> I would not exactly call it near :P
[18:51] <ScottK> Aren't Germany and Austria right next to each other?
[18:51] <ScottK> You can't get closer than that.
[18:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you mail him (if you haven't)
[18:52]  * neversfelde can get to Autria in 20 min 
[18:52] <apachelogger> I haven't
[18:52] <apachelogger> I do not even have his addy
[18:52] <neversfelde> s/Autria/Austria
[18:53] <apachelogger> neversfelde: and yet do not come visit :P
[18:53] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I moved here last week 
[18:53] <apachelogger> why is everyone moving these days?
[18:53] <apachelogger> and why do I never know about it?
[18:53] <neversfelde> hehe
[18:53]  * apachelogger feels like a hermit
[18:53] <apachelogger> I am a code hermit
[18:53] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm reasonably certain google knows his email even if LP appears not to.
[18:54]  * apachelogger is the master rochi of kubuntu
[18:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: changelog knows it too :P
[18:55]  * apachelogger writes a dear maintainer email for the fun of it
[18:55] <ScottK> Certainly.  Thanks.
[18:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you want to you could just upload the previous revision of bindings
[18:57] <apachelogger> (i.e. revert)
[18:57] <apachelogger> it is only a qyoto fix that is missing... so... :P
[19:01] <ScottK> I'm old and slow enough there's time for him to fix it.
[19:02] <apachelogger> awwww
[19:02]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK
[19:02] <apachelogger> now for more important matters
[19:02] <apachelogger> I want to write a debthumbnail plugin
[19:02] <apachelogger> not that anyone would need it, but I need something to advertise kubuntu
[19:03] <apachelogger> and since the mobile is yet to go on a diet and since rekonq has only begun to start working and since dantti_work is breaking SuperAppDevilKitCenterInstaller...
[19:04] <apachelogger> the thing is, I do not have no real motivation to do anything right now and I do not really know how to implement debthumbnailing in a non-performance dragging manner
[19:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Kubuntu is already famous for performance dragging.  You could build on that.
[19:04] <dantti_work> apachelogger: what's a debthimbnail plugin?
[19:05] <apachelogger> dantti_work: one that make dolphin thumbnail your deb files
[19:05] <apachelogger> which has but 3 usecases
[19:05] <apachelogger> skype
[19:05] <apachelogger> google-chrome
[19:05] <apachelogger> and something else I forgot the name of
[19:05] <apachelogger> ah
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rekonq now works for you? must be a bug :P
[19:05] <apachelogger> opera
[19:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not what I said....
[19:05] <ScottK> The fast Qt browser.
[19:06] <apachelogger> today that horrible urlbar has become "usable"
[19:06] <apachelogger> but now I get weird rendering flickers with that beast
[19:06] <apachelogger> for now I blame it on Qt
[19:06] <shadeslayer> do you have that image issue?
[19:06] <apachelogger> but once the rc lands in maverick I will probably have to go report bugs again
[19:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what image issue?
[19:06]  * apachelogger has a window issue - too many of them are open
[19:06] <shadeslayer> the one where not all images were displayed
[19:06] <sheytan> dantti_work what about showing download progress instead of the 'install' button?
[19:06] <dantti_work> btw does someone knows how good KTextBrowser (QTextDocument) is handling CSS, here it missing lot's of options
[19:07] <sheytan> to not open anohter window
[19:07] <shadeslayer> replaced by some other icon
[19:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not right now
[19:07] <apachelogger> though I installed konqueror
[19:07] <apachelogger> made me about 39% less grumpy
[19:07] <sheytan> dantti_work btw it would look better and clean when you display the install button only on selected items
[19:08] <shadeslayer> good
[19:08] <dantti_work> sheytan: well there are various things being downloaded and installed.. but I'll think on that..
[19:08] <dantti_work> sheytan: if I do only on selected item what hapens if the user never clicks the item?
[19:09] <sheytan> dantti_work he doesn't want to install anything
[19:09] <sheytan> you may show the button on hover too
[19:10] <dantti_work> I may try that but I think it will be strange buttons comming and going..
[19:10] <ScottK> tar -xf oxygen-icons-4.5.1.tar.bz2 is making my laptop heat.
[19:10] <sheytan> dantti_work then when selected :)
[19:11] <sheytan> i don't think it might be confusing. You always first choose what you want to install
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any ideas on how to get sbuild to spit out missing files if any?
[19:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you mail lex?
[19:15] <ScottK> I'm at a point that I can click on his name in a changelog and get a mail to fill in, so my interest in having him mailed for the moment exceeds my laziness about doing it if you haven't.
[19:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes
[19:17] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[19:17]  * ScottK returns to feeling his laptop burn while it does suff to oxygen icons.
[19:18] <shadeslayer> brr
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: build kdepim and feel the pain
[19:19] <ScottK> Tm_T: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20100902/ is your target.
[19:22] <sheytan> dantti_work will kpk still show blocked stuff and will it work better when managing big updates?
[19:24] <dantti_work> dantti_work: Kpk will hide blocked updates, and it does apt-get dist-upgrade when using aptcc backend
[19:24] <dantti_work> sheytan: ^^
[19:24]  * dantti_work is again talking to himself :P
[19:24] <sheytan> dantti_work but blocked updates are some problems with deps, right?
[19:25] <sheytan> if yes, then even when they're hidden, some stuff might break
[19:25] <dantti_work> blocked updates are updates that can't be updated due to a missing dep for example
[19:26] <dantti_work> like konqueror 5 is out but kde 5 is not
[19:26] <dantti_work> apt-get dist-upgrade says that some updates will be holded back
[19:26] <sheytan> dantti_work then as i said. Some upgrades might break my system?
[19:26] <dantti_work> no
[19:26] <dantti_work> it will do as apt-get dist-upgrade does
[19:27] <sheytan> ok ;)
[19:27] <dantti_work> (ie try to update everything it can)
[19:27] <dantti_work> normally blocked updates got released after some time, (like when kde5 is out)
[19:28] <ScottK> ryanakca: Are you doing the website announcement of the beta?
[19:29] <sheytan> dantti_work i don't like that 'select all' checkbox in updates. Esspecialy when it appear and there are no updates
[19:30] <sheytan> dantti_work what about a button next to 'check for upates' like 'select all'
[19:30] <sheytan> or 'update all'
[19:30] <dantti_work> sheytan: that button was horrible
[19:30] <sheytan> why
[19:30] <dantti_work> and the checkbox is disabled when there are no updates
[19:31] <dantti_work> because it doesn't tell if some updates are checked
[19:31] <dantti_work> it's just much intuitive and easy with that checkbox
[19:31]  * ScottK consults apachelogger's TODO while oxygen-icons crawls through the pipes.
[19:32] <sheytan> dantt_work it's disabled but it's visable :P And when you use the button, all the checkboxes next to packages will appear. That way you know that everything is selected :P
[19:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: kdebindgins isn't very big.  Could you take care of it one way or the other please?
[19:32] <dantti_work> I can't disable or enable all updates with a single button
[19:32] <dantti_work> sheytan: well I can hid that easly
[19:33] <sheytan> dantt_work and with this checkbox you can? :D
[19:33] <sheytan> hide please ;)
[19:33] <sheytan> btw the 'edit repos' button is waaaaaay to long
[19:33] <dantti_work> yes, you click on the checkbox, all selected, you click again all deselected
[19:33] <sheytan> i don't know what you KDE devs have with that long buttons :D
[19:33] <dantti_work> sheytan: that's Riddellfault :P 
[19:33] <sheytan> long buttons everywhere :D
[19:34] <sheytan> maybe this time, but what about other things? :D
[19:34] <sheytan> like in system settings
[19:34] <dantti_work> Riddell added that button I did't saw it yet
[19:34] <sheytan> Well, its to long :D
[19:34] <dantti_work> well I don't recall my buttons being wide
[19:35] <dantti_work> sheytan: can you screen shot that, so that I can see what to change in his patch?
[19:35] <sheytan> sure
[19:36] <sheytan> dantti_work http://i.imgur.com/EzyWH.png
[19:36] <sheytan> dantti_work btw please ask Nuno to create a monochrome icon for the systray
[19:36] <sheytan> for updates
[19:37] <dantti_work> sheytan: I've asked, but he probably forgot :P
[19:37] <sheytan> dantti_work please try again later :D
[19:39] <dantti_work> sheytan: wow.. it's quite big :P I'll get the patch and put it on the right of the last check box
[19:46] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot9.png
[19:47] <apachelogger> it looks a bit silly does it not
[19:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: suppose so
[19:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[19:48] <ryanakca> ScottK: I can, do we have an annourcement?
[19:48] <ScottK> ryanakca: After you write it we will.  Riddell didn't leave instructions about it.  Maybe he has one ready to go.
[20:04] <sheytan> Did you guys ever thought about changing the default video player for kubuntu?
[20:05] <ScottK> sheytan: Several times a release cycle.
[20:05] <sheytan> I think that dragon player isn't something cool :D
[20:06] <ScottK> Sucks less than the alternatives at the moment.  We looked into it.
[20:06] <ScottK> dantti_work: It could be AppDragon.
[20:07] <dantti_work> dragonPlayer?
[20:07] <dantti_work> will it burns my apps?
[20:08] <ScottK> No, but you could use konqi for a mascot.
[20:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: Mine are all uploaded and I started accepting stuff (kde4libs is building now).
[20:27] <sheytan> getting bored sometimes really look nice :D
[20:27] <sheytan> will show you guys in a minute ;D
[20:30] <sheytan> What do you think about this one: http://i.imgur.com/sonYv.jpg ? :D
[20:33] <ScottK> jussi: How did kubuntu-mobile work out for you?
[20:44] <lex79> apachelogger: hi, I wrote "fix qt-dotnet.dll.config" in bindings just to close the bug in launchpad, I didn't forgot any patches
[20:45] <lex79> ok? :)
[20:45] <apachelogger> I see, doesnt make sense though
[20:45] <apachelogger> when was the fix applied?
[20:45] <lex79> sorry for the confusion
[20:45] <lex79> in 4.5.1
[20:45] <lex79> in the source
[20:45] <apachelogger> lex79: upstream?
[20:45] <lex79> yes
[20:45] <apachelogger> ah
[20:45] <apachelogger> ic
[20:45] <apachelogger> okidoki
[20:45] <apachelogger> uploading then
[20:45] <lex79> ;)
[20:46]  * ScottK swoons at the mirculous appearance of lex79.  Thanks.
[20:46] <lex79> Hi ScottK :)
[20:46] <ScottK> Sounds like the problem was excessive pessimism from apachelogger that upstream might fix something.
[20:46] <ScottK> Hello lex79
[20:47] <apachelogger> well
[20:47] <apachelogger> last I checked dropping qyoto was discussed upstream :P
[20:47] <lex79> lucid still need working
[20:47] <CIA-116> [kdebindings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902194753-51sj8ir8s90kkkok * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1
[20:48] <lex79> how so?
[20:48] <apachelogger> lex79: lack of users
[20:48] <lex79> we are in 22 ninjas
[20:48] <lex79> mumble mumble
[20:48] <apachelogger> ah
[20:48] <lex79> lol
[20:48] <apachelogger> well
[20:48] <apachelogger> I am wondering too
[20:48] <lex79> good
[20:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan is not around much
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna neither
[20:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer does other things
[20:48] <apachelogger> neversfelde only recently moved
[20:49] <apachelogger> Riddell and ScottK were doing beta stuff
[20:49] <apachelogger> ...
[20:49] <neversfelde> and has no internet connection that allows uploading big packages
[20:49] <apachelogger> neversfelde: me neither ^^
[20:50] <apachelogger> lex79: also there are ninjas I have not heared of ever in my life *shrug*
[20:50]  * lex79 goes to lucid then and save the ship
[20:50]  * apachelogger sets sail for dragon ball due to lack of motivation
[20:52] <lex79> apachelogger: do you have intention to do kdegraphics in lucid?
[20:52] <apachelogger> why
[20:52] <apachelogger> I could
[20:52]  * apachelogger forgot about it since he had to create a pbuilder first ^^
[20:53] <lex79> apachelogger: you wrote in the ninja wiki that you are doing kdegraphics
[20:53] <apachelogger> so I shall do it
[20:53]  * apachelogger looks for his spell book
[20:55] <lex79> apachelogger: if you still have to set pbuilder, I can do it directly, no problem
[20:55]  * apachelogger needs a hook for getting the ninja ppa into a pbuilder
[20:55] <apachelogger> lex79: nah, go do other things 
[20:55] <lex79> k
[20:55] <apachelogger> otherwise my cpu is idle while I watch dragon ball, we cant have that ^^
[20:55] <neversfelde> gn8
[20:55] <apachelogger> nini neversfelde
[20:56] <lex79> night neversfelde
[20:56] <apachelogger> lex79, ScottK: bindings is now living on a mountain
[21:04] <CIA-116> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100902200333-f4rw2m98u9sj3fmk * (D99nocompression README) add hook to export no-compression foo
[21:05] <ryanakca> Will DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS ever be anything other than 'linux' in Ubuntu?
[21:07] <ScottK> ryanakca: No.
[21:07] <apachelogger> ryanakca: since they are cloning macosx I am afraid it will change to bsd soon :P
[21:07] <ScottK> It will in Debian.
[21:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  The upstartification stuff is very Linux specific.
[21:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: as if upstart was any reason not to push the desktop to its limits
[21:08] <apachelogger> and clearly since osx is the limit to get there we need to go bsd
[21:09] <ScottK> No, but Keybuk personally hunting down and killing whoever would decide he needs to redo the startup stuff is.
[21:11] <shadeslayer> lex79: hey :D
[21:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im doing kdepim right now :P
[21:11] <lex79> shadeslayer: ciao ;)
[21:12] <shadeslayer> your going? 
[21:12] <lex79> nope :)
[21:12] <shadeslayer> oh ciao also means hello :P
[21:12] <lex79> yes
[21:12] <shadeslayer> i thought it was only for goodbyes 
[21:13] <lex79> nope, in Italy "ciao ciao" is for goodbyes
[21:13] <lex79> "ciao" is for Hello :)
[21:13] <shadeslayer> now i wait for 90 mins and then kdepim will fail
[21:13] <ScottK> Oh that's right. I had the wrong country next to Austria.
[21:25]  * lex79 just discovered that double click in dolphin is better than one click mode
[21:26] <ryanakca> ScottK, apachelogger: Thanks
[21:33] <apachelogger> rofl
[21:33] <apachelogger> dragon ball is so silly ^^
[21:34] <lex79> poor dragon ball ^.^
[21:42] <ryanakca> Also, what's the dh7 equivalent to CDBS's binary-predeb target?
[21:45] <apachelogger> I wonder what predeb is ^^
[21:46] <apachelogger> well
[21:46] <apachelogger> ryanakca: from the sound of it I would say you need an override for dh_builddeb
[21:52]  * sheytan will try the beta tomorrow. Hope that restricted stuff download works in installer now :D
[22:03] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Thanks
[23:22] <ulysses> shouldn't we link the CD ISO-s instead of the DVDs?
[23:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: ping
[23:55] <Riddell> ah, story is up already, groovy