=== bcurtiswx_ is now known as bcurtiswx [00:01] yes [00:01] iwlist [00:02] iwconfig [00:10] BUGabundo, so I know the connection how do I go about connecting to it [00:10] open or wpa? [00:11] its already setup or setting it ? [00:11] setting it and WPA [00:12] then its iwconfig then wpa_passfrase [00:12] and wpa_ something to start it up [00:12] then dhclient to get an IP [00:15] BUGabundo, wpa_action|cli|supplicant ?? [00:15] cli and supplicant :D [00:17] OMG, i don't know what to do with that.. confusing [00:19] I know it is [00:19] when I did it a few years ago [00:19] took me two nights of reading MANs and trial and error [00:32] heh, another happy day in the firefox land and 1GB less of memory to worry about.. [00:39] LOL [00:39] yesh FF is a mem hog [00:39] gonna go back to chromium === |Alexia_Death| is now known as Alexia_Death [00:47] nite [01:23] so it looks like the beta should be released tomorrow? [01:24] I can't believe google can not fix this .ods upload problem for a year now [01:28] Ok, I'm taking the plunge into maverick [01:33] thinking about that too :) [01:36] hello everyone, got a kernel panic not syncing VFS :( any helpers? [01:37] running 2.6.35-17 [01:38] can you update the kernel? I had boot issues with -17 too (something different though I think). -19 works fine [01:40] yofel chroot you mean? [01:40] probably, if that's the only kernel you have [01:40] yofel: got a guide [01:40] !grub2 [01:40] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [01:40] I have earlier ones, but look the same [01:41] hm [01:41] actually it's weird as just a moment ago it booted but locked up on GDM pretty badly [01:42] lat thing before Call trace is: Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.35-17-generic #23-Ubuntu [01:43] does it tell anything to anyone? [01:43] yofel: got a chroot manual [01:43] there is one on the grub page [01:44] reinstalling from live-cd -> method 3 [01:50] yofel: tanks, let me try [01:50] hi can i get noob help here? [01:52] I don't suppose it's possible to pause a dist-upgrade, is it [01:54] !ask | boywonder [01:54] boywonder: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [01:54] Some_Person: you could abort while it's still downloading packages, but once it starts installing you'll have to let if finish [01:55] yofel: It's installing, will take about an hour and a half longer, and this machine will likely be needed for something else soon :-( [01:56] How safe is it to play a video while dist-upgrading and how likely is it to play without issues? [01:56] just play it [01:57] I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be safe, as for playing, depends on how much it needs to read from disk, as disk I/O is used up by apt [01:57] if it stutters, you could try to raise the priority with ionice [02:06] yofel: is it safe to do apt-get fullupgrade [02:07] I guess you mean apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade, just finished fine here so it should be safe [02:10] yofel: that, sorry and thanks on the correction [02:10] is picking up -19 now [02:10] should I reinstall grub2 anyway? [02:18] alexmayorga: Doesn't sound like a grub problem, so re-installing grub probably won't do anything. [02:22] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598690 [02:22] Gnome bug 598690 in general "Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"" [Normal,Assigned] [02:22] interesting. [02:22] My recommended solution would be what Windows does with my DVD drive when it's on eSATA: "Eject Disk_Title (D:)" and "Remove HL-DT-ST GSA-T50L Optical Drive" [02:30] Jordan_U, any pointers? [02:31] when I do the chroot apt-get dist-upgrade I get lots of "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [02:32] how can I fix that? [02:42] hi! [02:42] now on the broken lap :) [03:00] is aspell still the default spell checker in ubuntu? [03:37] still stuck at the VFS panic, tips? [03:48] question about the maverick ruby packages.....I don't see rdoc anywhere. [03:49] its not in the packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ruby either [03:49] Maahes: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/rdoc [03:49] Maahes: ruby1.8 it seems [03:50] alexmayorga: indeed, but why not ruby 1.9.2? In ruby1.9.1 on Lucid there's a corresponding rdoc [03:52] per http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/i386/ruby1.8/filelist /usr/bin/rdoc1.8 [03:53] Maahes: dunno really, I-ve yet to pick-up ruby myself [03:54] I don't know if it would make any sense to have a corresponding rdoc package for it; after all, maverick only has a snapshot of 1.9.2 [03:54] ruby1.9.1 | 1.9.2~svn28788-1 | maverick/universe | source, amd64, i386 [03:55] and that's a straight sync from Debian sid [03:57] how can I reinstall every package? [03:57] looks like power loss borked my maverick :( [03:58] crimsun_: installing the corresponding ri1.9.2-svn etc, marks rdoc for deletion [03:58] I wonder if I can just install rdoc as a gem [04:00] bummer, there's no 1.9.2 version compatible with irb either [04:05] anyone with an apt-get hack to reinstall packages? [04:10] alexmayorga: Have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install"? [04:11] Just upgraded to maverick, and firefox won't start [04:18] Problem appears to be caused by moonlight === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:46] Is there anything significantly broken in the maverick beta? [06:46] Because i'd really like to upgrade if possible. === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === Sary|away is now known as Sary === Sary is now known as Sary|afk === Sary|afk is now known as Sary === Sary is now known as Sary|afk === Sary|afk is now known as Sary === Sary is now known as Sary|afk === Sary|afk is now known as Sary [11:35] how does maverick work on old ati agp cards (8500) [12:06] hi ppl what is the hour expected for ubuntu 10.10 beta? [12:06] kroson: the usual answer is "when it's done". [12:07] kroson: any specific issue with the previous alpha that prevents you from installing it? [12:08] SwedeMike: well no but i think it would be better to wait for the beta if it is scheduled for today [12:12] the maverick beta , is today ! [12:12] nice one [12:13] no wonder maverick seemed so stable, I installed it yesterday [12:13] Nice [12:14] Wow , [12:14] the beta will be released today [12:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule [12:28] maverick beta should have come today according release schedule [12:28] any info on if its already downloadable but just not updated @ releaseschedule [12:29] I don't think I ever saw a release this early in the day [12:30] ah [12:30] btw, my laptop supports atleast 64bit windows [12:30] but the AMD64 tag on the ubuntu distros confuses me a bit [12:30] would this also support 64bit ubuntu? [12:30] Yes [12:30] cool thanks [12:31] guess I'll download the daily iso and get started fiddling [12:41] So to get the beta , someone whould do ' update-manager -d ' .. [13:06] Sary: yes if you run update-managet -d [13:06] Wb gnomefreak . yeah i though so .. just had to mae it sure [13:07] the beta is coming out today so ..you know :) [13:10] * Sary wonder what time could that be [13:10] that's stupid, why is 32 bit flash with npviewer so often crashing? and people are asking why do we recommend 32 bit ubuntu? :/ [13:11] i recommend to dont use flash [13:11] kklimonda: well it is common to crash more in 32bit [13:11] with nspluginwrapper [13:11] kroson_: sure, but on the other hand without nspluginwrapper it doesn't crash [13:12] and now firefox is running flash in another thread so it's not a problem [13:12] kklimonda: yes, but with nspluginwrapper it crashes. Not only in ubuntu, but all distros ive tested so far [13:12] and 64bit users have no choice :/ [13:12] there is no reason to use flash [13:12] kklimonda: you could always use the native 64bit deprecated version at your own risk :) [13:12] I've had to install 32bit flash yesterday because the 64bit is too old for a page I've needed to use [13:13] thats the problem, old flash will get outdated soon [13:13] omgz0r: and yet I had to [13:13] whats reason [13:14] omgz0r: I was trying to download GNOME Developer Tookit and the link has pointed to the site written in flash [13:14] there is no reason [13:15] is there any way to use xserver 1.8 with ubuntu maverick? [13:15] you can view the site in links [13:15] omgz0r: you think there is no reason to use flash? [13:15] kroson_: yes [13:15] i dont think i know it [13:15] omgz0r: really? have you actually followed the steps from wiki? [13:15] because it points to the site which is written completely in flash [13:15] well for me there is, at least until html5 gets mature enough [13:16] kroson_: reason ? [13:16] now I've managed to find a different link later [13:16] youtube? [13:16] lol [13:16] kklimonda: if u cant use your brain im sorry for u (no offense) [13:16] youtube is html5 [13:16] omgz0r: seriously? a huge "this site requires flash 10.1" and I'm supposed to use my brain? [13:16] youtube videos! not many are html5 yet [13:17] LOL [13:17] most of them :p [13:17] omgz0r: what browser do you use? [13:17] Chromium [13:17] so you can use h264? [13:18] or only google chrome can? :S [13:18] i bet its WebM [13:18] and vp8 [13:19] so you must be using a pre-release version [13:19] tbh i dont know the state of both h264 and webm in youtube [13:20] it worked in opera too :P [13:20] but i had problems with 1080p [13:20] in Opera [13:21] yea opera is the first one to have a stable release that supports webm [13:21] remember flash is always security risk [13:21] firefox will have it in version 4 [13:21] well but you have to admit that there arent still many videos that support webm, and most sites still use flash here or there [13:21] flash games, flash applets... [13:22] many things [13:22] games are for girls and my old parents [13:22] which flash applets ? [13:23] flash streams too! [13:23] do you see any videos website with html5? except for youtube some time ago [13:23] there are many [13:23] including porn sites [13:24] lol [13:24] :) [13:24] its still not mainstream, when it becomes mainstream [13:24] flash must die there is no discuss about it [13:24] ill leave flash... [13:25] adobe cant update it [13:26] i hope so, but for now we still have to live with it [13:26] what is the actual stable version of google chrome ? [13:26] version number [13:26] dunno im using chromium [13:28] nah [13:28] i dont know what distro should i choose for my gf [13:28] :( [13:29] ubuntu? [13:30] ye [13:30] best ui [13:30] in my opinio [13:30] but i fear about security [13:30] after PAM fiasco :) [13:32] PAM Fiasco ! [13:32] ye ye :> ! [13:32] Backtrack is based on Ubuntu [13:33] so ? [13:33] So 'Sup .. [13:33] You fear about security on Linux ! [13:34] yes [13:34] linux is uber unsecure [13:34] Really ! [13:34] wake up Sary [13:35] :) [13:35] I am up , can ya see me :) [13:35] omgz0r, i whould like to see what the guys in #linux whould respond about that [13:36] Sary: they are linux trolls :) === kroson_ is now known as kroson [13:36] Come on now , you should say that on their faces , not to me :D [13:37] Sary: look...example Xorg bug [13:38] Linux is 90& secure , 10% depends on the user [13:38] wheres the proof ? [13:39] You have windows ! [13:39] the proof is , find me someone been hacked under GNU/Linux [13:39] Simple as that [13:39] loool [13:40] you are just showing that u are average ubuntu user :_)) [13:40] Looks like someone is mocking [13:40] you know Xorg exploit ? [13:40] and old times [13:40] vmpslice [13:40] wunderbar ? [13:40] Maybe i am , so whats your proof it's not secure [13:41] well point is updating [13:41] as soon as possible [13:41] Sary: i dont think he has ever used windows xD [13:41] joking :D [13:41] I know nothing , you do [13:41] Stop trolling. It's boring [13:41] Sary: calm down [13:42] Thaha , you don't know how down i am [13:43] well [13:43] people are still stupid in 2010 [13:43] using weak passwords,running everything like root, visiting every link you gave them [13:44] True [13:44] you can crawl by ssh bruteforce [13:44] 50 shells per day [13:45] using just same nick:nick [13:45] apt-get search is invalid command in maverick? [13:45] and aptitude isn't even installed it seems [13:46] so how do i cli search for packages? :P [13:46] its [13:46] apt-cache search [13:46] as i remember from debian [13:47] not used for ages .deb [13:47] ah [13:47] damn i am very smart [13:47] oh well [13:47] guess ill install aptitude too [13:47] i removed myself from sudoers [13:47] >< [13:51] people are still stupid in 2010 [13:51] :> [13:51] owned! [13:51] lol [13:58] No Beta just yet? [13:58] Also Firefox 4.0 won't make 10.10 ? [13:58] according to the topic [13:59] sebsebseb: it wont make 10.10 because it is slated to release in november, after ubuntu release [13:59] Firefox 4.0 will not make 10.10? eh I guess there will be a ppa or something for those that want it later on though [13:59] kroson: oh ok that explains it [13:59] as for the beta, wait a few hours and youll see it :) [13:59] yes there will almost surely be a ppa with it when its released, so no worries there [14:00] kroson: ppa's suck really though, stuff like that should be added to the repos [14:00] for Firefox I mean, and programs like that, but no [14:00] i agree, but thats the politics of a rolling release, which ubuntu isnt [14:01] I thought ubuntu WILL update things like firefox? [14:01] kroson: it doesn't have to be a rolling release, to have major program updates in the repos. [14:01] Ian_corne: afaik, it will, but not major updates like 3.6 --> 4 [14:01] oh [14:01] i may be wrong though [14:01] it can do the kernel and xorg and Gnome and KDE and what not, with just security updates, like useual, whilst making their newbies happy, by giving them the latest version of major programs such as Firefox and Open Office [14:02] dangers are in testing it tho [14:02] well yeah most users have come from Windows or Mac OS X, where they are used to having the latest versions of programs easilley [14:03] sebsebseb: maybe firefox 4 hits the maverick backports repository [14:03] and you can already get it from ubuntu mozilla ppa [14:03] Ian_corne: so maybe they should use a proper upstream version of Firefox and Open Office for example, if going to provide when a new stable version comes out of, from their repos? Open Office is that other version of it. The Firefox in Ubuntu has a few little changes from the upstream Mozilla version as well. [14:04] Ian_corne: so if they were to provide the latest upstream versions, of major programs like Firefox and Open Office, problem solved pretty much? [14:04] kroson: ah yes backports, thats a point [14:05] kroson: I have a feeling it will end up in there [14:05] sebsebseb: openoffice 3.3 will probably be released soon after ubuntu 10.10 so youll be able to get it from a ppa too [14:05] kroson: since there was something before about providing the latest Firefox in Ubuntu, that I read, or whatever [14:05] and tbh ppa's are very easy to use now [14:07] kroson: to be honest, I don't even have a pshyical install of Ubuntu anymore, because 10.04 really got at me, and after using it as my distro since seconcd release in 2005, with another before it, it was time to put something else on. However i'll still virtual machine try a development for example,like i'll do with the beta later, and i'll sometimes do some really good Ubuntu support, like I was doing with someone yesterday. [14:07] Is beta still on track for today? [14:08] kroson: however yeah, when I still had a pshyical install of Ubuntu, just like now, I was never keen on the ppa thing. I mean they aren't even properly supported, and ppa's can cause problems. [14:08] quidnunc: yep [14:08] quidnunc: why wouldnt it? there is nothing that states it wont be released today :) [14:09] kroson: Because I remember some frantic pushes to make the deadlines in previous releases [14:09] And I'm not seeing the images on the servers which usually happens a bit earlier I think [14:09] sebsebseb: well there are well-maintained ppa's where you wont have problems. But if you try xorg edgers for example, of course soon you may get your system unusable [14:09] kroson: and yeah I still have an eye on Ubuntu, so i'll read stuff about it still, and yeah, well its the most hyped up distro at the moment, and so most users on teh desktop, and so yep, I still got an eye on whats going on with it [14:10] sebsebseb: so what you use atm? [14:10] kroson: Mandriva [14:10] kroson: yes they are still around, yes they still provide a great distro [14:11] quidnunc: where i live im used to see it around the afternoon, so i would wait a little bit more xD [14:12] sebsebseb: i know they are still around and better than 2 months ago xD. Ive not used mandriva for a few releases now, so dont know its actual state [14:12] sebsebseb: what was the problem for you with ubuntu 10.04? [14:13] Plymouth issues [14:13] with or without the Nivida propritary driver installed it seems [14:13] ,but also [14:13] all of a sudden [14:13] and I don't know why, it refused to let anyone log in [14:14] sebsebseb: plymouth issues are usual, plymouth itself is still a bug [14:14] so if a distro stops allowing anyone to log in, when updates, haven't been installed for a little while, well thats not very relible [14:14] kroson: not quite [14:14] kroson: regarding Plymouth [14:14] as for the log-in problem it seems to me a one-time showstopper, so i think you could give ubuntu a 2nd chance with 10.10 [14:14] kroson: it works fine with Mandriva on the same computer, that had those two issues, with 10.04 [14:15] kroson: with the propritary driver installed as well [14:15] sebsebseb: plymouth resolution bug happens in all distros i think, with the proprietary driver [14:15] does mandriva use plymouth? [14:15] kroson: as for giving Ubuntu another chance, already been there, and done that [14:15] kroson: for example back with 8.10 [14:16] as for the login issues as i told you it was bad luck, myself never had that trouble [14:16] on the computer I am on about as well, the ethernet woudn't just work, thing is it worked fine with 8.04 [14:16] kroson, i guess omgz0r is an old G .. :D [14:16] by the time I had decided to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 though. 9.04 was already out, so I decided to put that on with the optional Ext4 support (which completly stable, but I didn't get issues with it), and that really speed up boot up [14:16] and with the text boot as well, things were awesome! [14:17] O' he left .. [14:17] Sary: still around? xD. I think he may be right but exxagerated a bit [14:17] :D [14:18] sebsebseb: give a live test at ubuntu 10.10 that is to be released at any moment [14:18] see if you have no issues and then you could dual boot with mandriva if you dont feel safe [14:18] kroson: 9.04 a great release, except it also had a feature that annoyed me, and then they add some more stuff that annoys me a little bit more with 9.10, and loads more with 10.04. I mean I just ended up customizing 10.04 to make things look like before, when logged in to an account. As for 10.10 uhmm I am glad that the window borders have been changed, and so won't look as ugly as 10.04's default themes. I am not a fan of all these silly [14:18] Gnome patches that they have been doing downstreame to Ubuntu, but the sound menu seems kind of good. [14:19] there are better and worse releases of ubuntu, as with every distro, and ymmv with each one [14:19] and I think 10.10 netbook edition will be better, because of Unity, which I haven't tried yet. and Unity is really Gnome changing as well at the moment, but anyway [14:19] 9.04 was very good except for the poor intel graphics performance which i think was an upstream issue [14:19] is someone else missing theming? [14:19] Maverick beta will be out today , [14:20] i only get an absolutely ugly standard theme [14:20] Raydiation: not ambiance/radiance? [14:20] no [14:20] same problem again [14:20] Raydiation, themes working fine here [14:20] sebsebseb: you still have the option to use some more gnome-ish themes in ubuntu [14:20] I mean Ambiance and Radiance [14:21] Raydiation: whats your ubuntu-light package? [14:21] kroson: nope won't be putting Ubuntu 10.10 on here a pshyical install I expect, to many things that I don't want. [14:22] sebsebseb: what do you use most? gnome or kde? [14:22] xD [14:22] sebsebseb: well as with any other distro if you dont like anything just change it [14:22] kroson: Gnome 2 it has been mainly over the years, but more recently, I use mainly Gnome 3 preview in my distro. Not the latest version of it, but a good enough one. [14:22] kroson: I like good defaults [14:23] kroson: I had that with Ubuntu no problem before 9.04, and yes 9.04 except for one or two little features that were easy to sort out, that I wasn't keen on. [14:23] I don't want to customize a load of stuff by removing it, and stuff that is really part of the Ubuntu experience for that version [14:24] and that's exactly what I ended up doing with 10.04, and would have to do for 10.10 as well, so yeah its not really for me [14:24] sebsebseb: mandriva is better in customizing kde [14:25] but you are right, they dont customize gnome too much [14:25] fedora as well [14:25] kroson: yeah there KDE is realyl nice by default, one reason I went for that distro [14:25] sebsebseb, what PC brand you have [14:25] kroson: also the control centre really is a winner over [14:25] Well , Mint has a KDE Version [14:26] Ubuntu should have a control centre as well really, they could even use the same control centre that Mandriva and PC Linux OS have, but no [14:26] nice graphical control centre for configuring the system [14:26] sebsebseb: yes, but i think they already have a very good and easy software center [14:27] kroson: thats only for software though [14:27] that no other distro has, except mint, which is good too [14:27] kroson: its not for disabling pulse audio, or setting up parental controls, and so on [14:27] sebsebseb: the problem i see in mandriva, from what i remember, is that they dont have as many software available as ubuntu and updates arent provided as fast [14:27] am i right? [14:27] there was a 3rd party project though, that was made, to make a control centre for Ubuntu, but not tried it myself, but doesn't seem like the proper control centre, Mandriva and PC Linux OS have [14:28] kroson: the repos are good for Mandriva [14:28] sebsebseb: i thought they followed the same policy of ubuntu of not providing newer software versions, just bugfixes and patches [14:29] kroson: upgrading a version on the other hand, it seems, will take a while, before the OS will say a new version is availalbe, because they have to rely on loads of differnet mirrors and so it takes time to sync. [14:30] kroson: and yeah they are about stability, I got older software installed here, but that's fine with me, A lot of the time, later versions of software, don't really offer much of an advantage anyway if any really. [14:31] kroson: PC LInux OS on the other hand.... ,but you know what we are offf topic, no one is telling us off though [14:31] sebsebseb: yes, youll get them in the next release for both distros [14:31] as for the offtopic, you are right [14:33] kroson: PC Linux OS is a rolling release, and has Synaptic, and the control centre, but when I tried in vm, I get put off from the Gnome or KDE version, because of the theme they use, and their branding. However they support Enlightment and XFCE, and LXDE, and OpenBox, and they are only a reasoanbly small community distro. That did actasully become number one in 2007 on distrowatch when it was new instead of Ubuntu, but then a developer [14:34] died and so on. [14:34] kroson: Anyway Desktop Linux is great [14:34] the choice [14:34] from the distros, to the programs, that are installed [14:34] sadly there is in fighting as well, people fighting over, what distro they think is the best, and so on. and distros not being as compatible with each other, as they could be. I mean like for example, DEB RPM? [14:35] sebsebseb: i think you rely too much in the default theme, you know that it will never be suitable for everyone? [14:35] xD [14:35] kroson: hm, this is too weird, it works again :( [14:35] kroson: its not only me [14:36] Raydiation: development bugs, thats normal [14:36] lol [14:36] kroson: take a load of the people who go to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk [14:36] sebsebseb: why not give a try on an ubuntu fork then? there are many with eye-candy as priority [14:36] kroson: go to that, new wall paper in 10.10 thread for example, and you'll see [14:36] kroson: it wasnt fixed due to an update [14:36] thread I mean blog post [14:36] and i had the same issue now 2 times [14:36] kroson: or find the old stuff about when they changed the buttons by default to the left in 10.04, and you'll see [14:37] kroson: not that many distros based on Ubuntu now, because quite a few of them that were based on Ubuntu, are based on Debian directly now instead. Also Mint is even working on a Debian based version :) [14:39] sebsebseb: There are MANY based in ubuntu, but just 2 or 3 are worth it [14:39] lol [14:39] kroson: also I don't care loads about eye candy, I just want something that looks reasonable by default, well it seems that with 10.10, they have sorted out ambiance enough maybe, for me to like it quite a bit more [14:39] for me, Mint, Puppy and Pinguy [14:41] sebsebseb: true, i also like the new radiance theme a lot [14:41] kroson: there are also loads of great distros, that aren't Ubuntu or Debian, or Ubuntu or Debian based :) [14:42] sebsebseb: true. The whole top 10 at distrowatch is very good, and some more below... [14:42] kroson: maybe when they use Gnome 3 by default, and if I like their changes enough to it, I might put Ubuntu on again a pshyical install [14:43] kroson: however that probably won't exactly happen, so yeah [14:43] kroson: to be honest they are all a bit sucky at the moment, I am hopeing Gnome 3 will improve things quite a lot [14:44] anyway I want to do some other stuff now [14:44]