[00:00] <rsavoye> hum, I see, to be having battles between une and gnome, gnome still grabs the desktop
[00:05] <GrueMaster> are you running today's (20100901) image?
[00:07] <rsavoye> this is a maverick user space on a karmic kernel. (i/MX51)
[00:08] <rsavoye> I assumed from the other day maverick doesn't have kernel support for the SmartTop
[00:09] <GrueMaster> Oh.  Hrm.  not sure I can offer much help then.
[00:12] <rsavoye> the kernel shouldn't matter I'd think unless Unity needs something special
[00:13] <GrueMaster> Well, Karmic was Armv6+vfp.  If unity is using armv7 code...
[00:14] <GrueMaster> Have you tried the Lucid kernel?  Same core but with armv7 goodness.
[00:14] <rsavoye> I'm hesitant to try the lucid kernel on my only working arm development system :-(
[00:15] <rsavoye> unless I can figure out how to try a live SD type of thing
[00:16] <GrueMaster> Lucid images were live.
[00:16] <GrueMaster> But I'm not sure how your system works.  Lucid was built to boot from SD.
[00:16] <GrueMaster> Using redboot.
[00:17] <rsavoye> Genesi is sending me an addtional SmartTop sp maybe I'll try on that one.
[00:18] <rsavoye> I did try to do the "recovery.sh" trick on a NetWalker, but it refuses to install even it's own default image
[00:20] <GrueMaster> The netwalker used earlier silicon and isn't compatible with the newer kernels.  Someone could in theory look at the kernel tree and figure out how to forward port them, but that is beyond me.
[00:20] <GrueMaster> Mainly enotime.
[00:22] <GrueMaster> Does the smarttop use our kernel? or it's own?
[00:26] <GrueMaster> rsavoye: ^^
[00:27] <rsavoye> it's using it's own, mostly cause of driver issues
[00:27] <GrueMaster> ah.
[00:27] <rsavoye> they want to move to maverick, but are worried about that
[00:27] <rsavoye> they're sending free uints to developers if you'd fix it :-)
[00:28] <GrueMaster> We recently dropped the imx51 kernel from maverick unfortunately.
[00:28] <rsavoye> yep, they were bummed
[00:28] <rsavoye> so I had to do the user space hack, since I needed maverick
[00:28] <GrueMaster> No one to port it forward, and fsl wasn't interested.  I think Linaro might be doing something with them, but not sure.
[00:29] <GrueMaster> Does it use nand of some sort to boot from?
[00:31] <rsavoye> an internal SSD drive, or microSD card
[00:32] <GrueMaster> Interesting.  If that could be removed/swapped out, testing would be a breaze.
[00:33] <rsavoye> It does boot off SD, which is how I initially tried maverick on it
[00:34] <GrueMaster> What does /proc/cpuinfo tell you as to proc version?
[00:36] <rsavoye> ARMv7 Processor rev 5 (v7l)
[00:36] <GrueMaster> Same as my babbage v3.
[00:36] <GrueMaster> So it "should" work the same kernel wise.
[00:38] <rsavoye> oops, I'm a space cadet. I do believe it's running lucid, it's the NetWalker that runs karmic
[00:38] <GrueMaster> According to the web site I found, it is karmic.  The netwalker should be Jaunty.
[00:39] <rsavoye> I must be doing too much web surfing, you are correct
[00:40] <rsavoye> I think Genesi is planning on doing their own support for maverick
[00:46] <GrueMaster> This is the system, right?  http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika
[00:46] <rsavoye> yep, the SmartTop
[00:47] <GrueMaster> Looks nice.  Wish I had the spare $$$.
[00:47] <rsavoye> the SmartBook is unreleased as of yet
[00:47] <rsavoye> they're free to developers :-)
[00:47] <rsavoye> they even Fed-ex'd mine last week
[00:48] <rsavoye> They sent me one for a Gnash port, although I've been using it for OpenJDK hacking mostly
[00:50] <GrueMaster> I'm more of a QA type than a developer, although I have done some kernel and alsa development in the past.
[08:19] <hrw> morning
[11:11] <lag> ogra: Why would my image only be loading the uImage and not the uInitrd?
[11:12] <ogra> because your boot.scr is screwed ?
[11:22] <lag> sakoman: Are you around?
[11:24] <lag> ogra: Try and put my name at the start of a message to me on here, as I don't check it as regularly as you do
[11:24] <lag> Some of us have work to do ;)
[11:24] <lag> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487164/
[11:24] <ogra> lag, well, if i ask a question i look at IRC for a moment to see if i get an aswer :)
[11:24] <lag> Sometimes you take ages to reply
[11:25] <lag> So I ask, and go to do something else
[11:25] <lag> If I see the flash, I'll come look :)
[11:25] <lag> Anyway, does that look screwed to you?
[11:25] <ogra> lag, well, your boot.scr looks ok
[11:25] <hrw> ogra: I have 16 irc windows open. hilights allows to see which one has something to read
[11:25] <lag> Hi Marcin
[11:26] <lag> hrw: Are you going to UHS/UDS?
[11:26] <hrw> lag: UHS?
[11:26] <hrw> lag: UDS @Orlando,FL? I will be there
[11:26] <lag> I have 21 IRC windows open :S
[11:26] <lag> Yeah
[11:26] <hrw> lag: UPS @Dallas,TX? I will be there too
[11:26] <lag> UHS-Taipei
[11:27] <hrw> lag: first heard. Ubuntu Hardware Summit? or U Hardcore Summit?
[11:29] <cooloney> hrw: oh it is Ubuntu Howto Summit
[11:29] <lag> :)
[11:30] <hrw> I am not related to hardware so it is not my summit
[11:30] <lag> Hardware is correct, but feel free to rename: Hopeless?
[11:30] <cooloney> lag: are you ready to give a speech in Chinese?
[11:30] <lag> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487169/
[11:30] <cooloney> lag: lol
[11:30] <lag> cooloney: I can barely speak English
[11:33] <cooloney> lag: try to learn some simple Chinese, you will be popular in TW.
[11:34] <lag> Simple != Chinese
[11:34] <cooloney> lag: btw, can you guys boot upstream Tony's linux-omap kernel or Linus kernel on beagle board?
[11:34] <cooloney> rsalveti: ^^
[11:35] <lag> cooloney: Never tried
[11:35] <lag> Which Beagle?
[11:35] <cooloney> omap3 beagle board, i got C3 board
[11:35] <cooloney> lag: i think you got a XM one?
[11:35] <lag> I have
[11:36] <hrw> trip to taipei would add one thing for me - buying chinese green tea for my wife
[11:36] <lag> I've never tried Tony's or Linus' trees on it
[11:36] <lag> hrw: Do you want me to get you some?
[11:37] <hrw> lag: I think that I will speak with our Chinese people to grab some for UDS
[11:38] <cooloney> hrw: no problem, we can do that for you
[11:38] <ogra> lag, seems your u-boot doesnt even load boot.scr at all
[11:38] <cooloney> green tea is everywhere in China
[11:38] <ogra> lag, fix your u-boot :)
[11:39] <hrw> cooloney: thx
[11:39] <cooloney> hrw: have you ever try latest kernel on your omap3 hardware?
[11:39] <cooloney> hrw: np, man
[11:39] <hrw> cooloney: I do not remember when last time I updated my C3
[11:40] <cooloney> hrw and lag, it might be my problem. my backup kernel doesn't boot, either.
[11:40] <lag> Have you tried the one from the daily build?
[11:41] <cooloney> lag: oh, not yet
[11:41] <hrw> cooloney: I prefer to not touch C3 - it feels too slow when I do that
[11:41] <cooloney> hrw: i have no choice, that my only omap3 hardware,
[11:42] <cooloney> hrw: right, it is quite slow
[11:42] <cooloney> lag: i will try it later
[11:42] <lag> ogra: It's the one that robclark sent me
[11:42] <hrw> cooloney: same here. BB b7/c3/c3 only
[11:42] <ogra> yeah, it doesnt use the right defaults
[11:42] <ogra> lag, either type in boot.scr manually at the serial prompt or fix the code and recompile
[11:43] <cooloney> hrw: so you are fully working on omap4, right?
[11:43] <ogra> seems his defaults are completely different
[11:43] <lag> ogra: Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:43] <hrw> cooloney: no, I do not touch arm targets at all
[11:43] <lag> Does anyone have a u-boot that works with ES2.0 and has our defaults?
[11:44] <cooloney> hrw: but kernel generated by your toolchain touchs every ARM targets
[11:44]  * cooloney hides away from ES2.0
[11:44] <hrw> cooloney: and at same time it is default ubuntu toolchain
[11:45] <hrw> cooloney: I work on packaging toolchain - did not touched source of it
[11:45] <cooloney> hrw: yeah, so if i wanna use it on my Lucid amd64 machine,
[11:45] <cooloney> which packages need i installed?
[11:45] <cooloney> i think you just provide PPA for Maverick, right?
[11:45] <hrw> you need maverick - I do not have lucid ones
[11:45] <cooloney> hrw: got it
[11:46] <cooloney> just don't have much time to upgrade my building server to maverick
[11:46] <hrw> use chroot?
[11:46] <cooloney> hrw: oh, chroot is ok for me. but i wanna try the cross compiler
[11:46] <lag> ogra: Okay I've found one
[11:46] <lag> ogra: It's still U-Boot 1.1.4-gcebe815a-dirty (Aug 20 2010 - 02:44:51) though
[11:46] <cooloney> hrw: you know i found a issue with CS 2010q1 toolchain?
[11:47] <lag> ogra: I don't think there is an updated one which works with ES2.0 yet
[11:47] <hrw> maverick toolchain require libs from maverick. I prefer to not give them for people in my repo instead of ubuntu-proposed-updates etc which will never happen
[11:47] <hrw> cooloney: reported bug?
[11:47] <cooloney> hrw: it missed some library required by building perf linux-tools package
[11:47] <ogra> lag, as long as the defaults are the same as ours it will work
[11:47] <cooloney> hrw: rsalveti and amitk-afk pointed me out your toolchain
[11:48] <cooloney> hrw: but don't have chance to try it on my Lucid machine
[11:48] <cooloney> hrw: oh, that CS 2010q1's issue, i'm not sure if CS toolchain is packaged in our Lucid repo
[11:49] <hrw> no idea. but try with ubuntu 4.4.4-9* from maverick. It has many updates from CS
[11:50] <cooloney> hrw: ok, np, i will try that when I got maverick installed
[11:55] <asac> cooloney: did you include powervr modules in omap4 bsp kernel already?
[12:00] <cooloney> asac: oh, IIRC, no
[12:00] <cooloney> asac: i didn't notice that.
[12:01] <cooloney> asac: do you know where is powervr code located in kernel source tree?
[12:05] <hrw> http://people.canonical.com/~hrw/ubuntu-maverick-armel-cross-compilers/ - new versions, new packages, simplified installation. "apt-get update;apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi" is now enough to get cross compiler
[12:07] <cooloney> hrw: awesome, thx
[12:07] <cooloney> hrw: will try it soon
[12:08]  * cooloney heads out for dinner.
[12:13] <lag> prpplague: Good morning
[13:52] <lag> ogra: How's the daily image looking today?
[13:53] <ogra> green ... and slightly brownish on the edges
[13:53] <ogra> seriously, its the beta image, what are you looking for specifically ?
[13:53] <lag> Someone stolen your glasses?
[13:54] <ogra> its in beta quality, booting and installing fine but still has bugs
[13:54] <lag> I have a fresh dd, then I put my boot.scr, uInitrd, uImage on and I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487221/
[13:54] <lag> ES2.0
[13:55] <ogra> can i has tha top too ?
[13:55] <ogra> seems to not run jasper completely, i see only the second part
[13:56] <ogra> (no resizing etc)
[13:57] <ogra> are you sure your initrd is proper ?
[13:58] <lag> It has worked in the past
[13:58] <lag> No reason for it to fail now?
[13:58] <lag> That was first boot
[13:58] <ogra> well, it doesnt seem to execute loacl-premount scripts at all
[13:58] <ogra> *local
[13:59] <lag> Exactly
[13:59] <ogra> only local-bottom
[13:59] <lag> Again, that was first boot?
[13:59] <ogra> how does your cmdline look like = did you use a UUID ?
[13:59] <lag> Yeah
[13:59] <ogra> aha
[13:59] <ogra> dont do that
[13:59] <lag> Oh?
[14:00] <ogra> jasper will not resize if the cdmline contains a uuid (since thats generated by jasper)
[14:00] <ogra> so it assumes it already did the resize
[14:00] <lag> I see
[14:01] <ogra> just use root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 and let jasper do the UUID magic
[14:01] <lag> So I don't want one on first boot, but I have to have one on second boot?
[14:01] <ogra> the reason is that we need to regenerate the UUID anyway, else all installs would have the same UUID
[14:01] <ogra> jasper will care for it
[14:02] <ogra> yes, you have to have one but thats enforced anyway
[14:03] <lag> That's very annoying
[14:03] <lag> I need serial output
[14:03] <ogra> thats how it works
[14:03] <lag> On first and second boot
[14:03] <ogra> we have a fix for that pending
[14:03] <lag> Oh?
[14:03] <ogra> to take over existing cmdline options and only regenerate the ones we actually require
[14:04] <ogra> i have to review the patch still, persia wrote it
[14:05] <lag> So I can get serial output on first and second reboots?
[14:05] <ogra> bug 605831
[14:05] <ogra> hey bot, where are you ?
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605831 in jasper-initramfs (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Resolution should be taken from /proc/cmdline if provided (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605831
[14:05] <ogra> ah
[14:08] <ogra> lag, feel free to test the patch in your setup :)
[14:22] <lag> ogra: If the install is fine, but any subsequent boots fail, can I just copy a new kernel and initrd into the boot partition and it will just work?
[14:22] <ogra> it will get overwritten with whats in 7boot the next time you run flash-kernel ....
[14:23] <ogra> */boot
[14:23] <ogra> if you dont do that you're fine
[14:23] <ogra> why do subsequent boots fail though ?
[14:25] <lag> Sond
[14:25] <lag> Sound*
[14:27] <ogra> ah
[14:27] <ogra> still the same bug ?
[14:27] <ogra> i though you got a fix yesterday
[14:28] <lag> Nope
[14:28] <ogra> sad
[14:28] <lag> My scripts were using the wrong kernel yesterday
[14:28] <ogra> make sure to bring that up in the call
[14:29] <ogra> we need a working ES2.0 kernel asap once beta is out
[14:29] <lag> Tomorrow's call?
[14:29] <ogra> yeah
[14:29] <lag> Right, so I've just installed
[14:30] <lag> And shut down
[14:30] <lag> Now I need serial
[14:30] <lag> Should I dd the one from the boot partition, and edit that?
[14:30] <ogra> dd ?
[14:30] <lag> skip
[14:30] <ogra> just modify boot.scr
[14:30] <lag> Or can I just change the one in /boot/
[14:31] <ogra> depends if you run flash-kernel every or not
[14:31] <ogra> *ever
[14:31] <lag> I don't
[14:31] <ogra> then boot.scr is enough
[14:31] <ogra> (in the vfat)
[14:31] <lag> I still need to take the head off (hence dd)
[14:32] <ogra> boot.script will only be used by flash-kernel
[14:32] <ogra> as input
[14:32] <lag> So I could first-boot, install then run flash kernel
[14:33] <lag> Rather than dd'ing off the one in VFAT and running mkimage on it
[14:33] <ogra> right
[14:33] <lag> That sounds better
[14:33] <ogra> just edit /boot/boot.script and run flash-kernel
[14:33] <lag> /boot/boot.script is already edited
[14:33] <ogra> thats the proposed way for endusers
[14:33] <ogra> great
[14:33] <lag> I just did to run flash-kernel
[14:46] <ogra> grrr
[14:47]  * ogra did an update, waited a few days with the reboot for the new kernel, now i rebooted ... and what do i get ? update-manager offering me *another* new kernel
[14:47] <ogra> we really need to cut the headcont of the kernel team ... they work way to fast
[14:48] <lag> 	dd if=/mnt/boot.scr of=boot.script2 bs=1 skip=72
[14:48] <lag> 	perl -pi -e 's/bootargs/bootargs console=ttyO2,115200n/g' boot.script2
[14:48] <lag> 	mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Ubuntu boot script" -d boot.script2 boot.scr2
[14:48] <lag> 	cp boot.scr2 /mnt
[14:48] <ogra> mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Ubuntu boot script" -d boot.script2 /mnt/boot.scr
[14:48] <ogra> saves one line ;)
[14:49] <lag> No, I want a copy of it
[14:49] <ogra> ah, k
[14:49] <lag> Debug
[14:52] <lag> 	cp boot.scr2 /mnt/boot.scr
[14:52] <lag> Minor amendment :)
[14:58] <lag> prpplague: Hey Dave
[14:58] <lag> sakoman: Steve are you up yet? :)
[15:07] <zul> what is nova-instance-montior?
[15:07] <zul> fuck...sorry wrong channel
[15:40] <sakoman> lag: I'm here now
[15:43] <lag> sakoman: Ah ha
[15:43] <lag> sakoman: Good morning
[15:43] <sakoman> lag: gm!
[15:43] <lag> sakoman: http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linux-omap-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9f40ee61034576e8abdb8201c9526204680e70d5
[15:43] <lag> sakoman: What's the plan for this patch?
[15:44] <sakoman> it is on my "to do" list to submit all of those kernel patches
[15:45] <sakoman> not sure when I will get to it though . . .
[15:45] <sakoman> probably at least a couple of weeks
[15:46] <lag> Okay
[15:46] <lag> sakoman: bug 622935
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622935 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "video: add timings for hd720 video mode (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622935
[15:47] <mopdenacker> Hi Ubuntu Gurus!  I'm trying to run Maverick on an OMAP3 Zoom3 board. Where's Ubuntu's kernel OMAP tree? I don't find it on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[15:48] <lag> mopdenacker: It's there
[15:48] <lag> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git
[15:49] <lag> It's a branch of the Maverick tree
[15:49] <lag> No, wrong
[15:49] <lag> OMAP3 is in the master branch
[15:50] <lag> mopdenacker: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=summary
[15:50] <lag> sakoman: I've informed the bug of your plans
[15:51] <lag> sakoman: Which upstream do you intend to send it to?
[15:51] <sakoman> lag: we wouldn't want the bug to worry needlessly!
[15:51] <sakoman> lag: I'll need to research that!
[15:51]  * lag tuts!
[15:51] <lag> :)
[15:52] <sakoman> I'll certainly copy linux-omap, but will need to figure out the proper subsystem list
[15:52] <lag> np
[15:53] <lag> I subscribe to linux-omap, so I'll hopefully see it
[15:53] <lag> Thanks Steve
[15:56] <mopdenacker> lag: thanks!
[15:59] <lag> mopdenacker: np
[16:09] <mopdenacker> lag: and where can I find the Ubuntu config settings? Since the current kernel build doesn't completely boot on my Zoom3, I'd like to try another source tree, but with Ubuntu's kernel config.
[16:15] <lag> debian.master/config/
[16:16] <mopdenacker> lag: perfect, thanks!!!
[16:34] <mopdenacker> lag: how are you supposed to use it? Just doing a cat debian.master/config/config.common.ports debian.master/config/armel/config.flavour.omap > .config
[16:34] <mopdenacker> lag: Or do you feed these to an automated tool?
[16:34]  * lag shrugs
[16:34] <lag> Ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[16:35] <lag> I just use fdr
[16:37] <mopdenacker> lag: Thanks! I'll ask sebjan tomorrow morning when he comes back. I'm sure he knows.
[16:45] <devilhorns> grrr
[16:48] <devilhorns> really wishing that qemu would not segfault when I try to apt-get install something ... been trying for days to get an arm image created that I can run in qemu so that I can get started on the efl packages & code ... but have had no success :(
[16:56] <lag> mopdenacker: I see no reason why sebjan would know to be honest
[16:57] <lag> mopdenacker: However, after looking at the scripts, it appears this is part of it ;)
[16:57] <lag> mopdenacker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487313/
[16:58] <lag> mopdenacker: Found in: debian/scripts/misc/kernelconfig
[17:00] <mopdenacker> lag: sounds like what I need. Thanks!@
[17:03] <lag> prpplague: I'm heading off in a bit
[17:03] <lag> prpplague: Would you mind taking a look at this for me please?
[17:04] <lag> prpplague: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487187/
[17:04] <lag> prpplague: and
[17:04] <lag> prpplague: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487257/
[17:04] <lag> prpplague: Can you spot the subtle amendment in the first one? :)
[17:04] <lag> prpplague: Leave me a message when you get this and I'll pick it up in the morning
[17:04] <lag> (or later on tonight)
[17:43] <GrueMaster> So, what's up with apport-retracing?
[17:44] <GrueMaster> Is it broken again?
[17:56] <devilhorns> guess it's time to try it with a chroot instead...
[19:09] <dcordes> Hey guys. I shot a small video of maverick netbook on my htcleo (HTC HD2). It's nothing special really. It's actually aimed towards those who will potentially use it. - But as I keep talking about this hardware on this channel I thought I should share for thsoe who might be interested. http://vimeo.com/14630263
[19:11] <lool> dcordes: well done
[19:11] <lool> dcordes: Did you roll your own kernel?  did you copy over the OpenGL libs?
[20:27] <dcordes> lool: Better congratulate those who make this happen. All I do is download the rootfs. Kernel is at git://git.linuxtogo.org/home/groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git htc-msm-2.6.32 . It is netbooklauncher-efl , not the 3d one. Awesome how fluid it runs, isn't it ?
[22:40]  * rsalveti back!
[22:40] <rsalveti> got the us visa!
[22:41] <ogra> \o/
[22:41] <prpplague> rsalveti: what type? tourist?
[22:41] <rsalveti> after a long long day :-)
[22:41] <rsalveti> prpplague: business/conference
[22:41] <prpplague> rsalveti: ahh, dandy
[22:41] <rsalveti> \o/
[22:41]  * rsalveti very very tired
[22:41] <prpplague> rsalveti: took me 3 years 8 months and 24 days to get a visa for my to come to the US
[22:41] <prpplague> rsalveti: i feel for ya
[22:42] <rsalveti> prpplague: ouch!