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| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, did you get my bug memo from earlier? | 01:10 |
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| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, not yet | 01:23 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:06 |
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| baptistemm | hello | 07:31 |
| baptistemm | hi pitti | 07:35 |
| pitti | hey baptistemm | 07:50 |
| vish | robert_ancell: hi, did the pidgin merge get approved? you were looking into the papercuts a few days ago for uploading, and seb`28 had mentioned it , but the bug has not auto-closed , so was wondering if the changelog had a bug# tpyo | 07:51 |
| vish | typo* | 07:51 |
| vish | heh, typo for a typo :D | 07:51 |
| robert_ancell | vish, sorry, not I haven't looked at it yet | 07:54 |
| vish | ah, k.. :) | 07:54 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:55 |
| vish | bonjour! | 07:56 |
| didrocks | hey vish ;) | 07:57 |
| vish | yay! beta releasing today! | 07:59 |
| robert_ancell | vish, doing it now... | 08:00 |
| vish | robert_ancell: thanks :) | 08:00 |
| huats | morning | 08:01 |
| didrocks | salut huats | 08:01 |
| * didrocks test the netbook beta iso now | 08:01 | |
| * vish grumbles at ATI! , let me use unity! | 08:01 | |
| didrocks | vish: I think that harrassing RAOF can have positive result on that ;) (kidding, just to say, he is working on it ;)) | 08:04 |
| vish | :) | 08:04 |
| huats | hey didrocks | 08:07 |
| robert_ancell | vish, which description did you want? The one in the debian bug report? | 08:23 |
| vish | robert_ancell: the merge i had updated , that was the one with mpt's last suggestion | 08:24 |
| vish | the debian one was old.. | 08:24 |
| robert_ancell | vish, oh, too many patches, missed the merge :) | 08:25 |
| vish | robert_ancell: hehe , yeah, that bug has been around for ages :D | 08:26 |
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| cassidy | kenvandine, didrocks: around ? | 09:01 |
| didrocks | salut cassidy | 09:01 |
| cassidy | hey! | 09:01 |
| cassidy | so, today is Empathy's hug day which is great and all but I just saw that Maverick still has 2.31.90 which is pretty buggy (first release with meta-contacts so lot of regressions) | 09:01 |
| cassidy | any chance to update to .91 asap so people will test a more decent version ? | 09:02 |
| cassidy | same for folks, it would be really nice to have 0.1.16 for tests | 09:02 |
| didrocks | cassidy: urgh, not really as we are in beta freeze today and we will have maybe some CD respin again :/ let me see if I can unblock that, gives me 10 minutes | 09:02 |
| cassidy | cool | 09:03 |
| didrocks | cassidy: in the worst case, we can setup a ppa and put that in the instruction of the hug day | 09:03 |
| cassidy | I can even make a 2.31.91.1 to have all the latest fixes (we fixed a bunch of regressions these last 2 days) | 09:03 |
| didrocks | that will be cool :) | 09:03 |
| cassidy | didrocks, yeah we could use the TP PPA | 09:03 |
| cassidy | didrocks, folks has been packaged in Debian, I'll upload it the the TP PPA | 09:04 |
| cassidy | and will make a .1 release too | 09:04 |
| didrocks | cassidy: let me see, it depends on the regression I currently get on the netbook installer, if we do a respin or not. Will be soon fixed if we respin or not | 09:04 |
| didrocks | cassidy: great, prepare the ppa in any case :) | 09:04 |
| cassidy | yeah that doesn't hurt | 09:04 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, do you know much about libgtkhtml? It appears to be used by evo, and the latest version has changed library name from libgtkhtml-editor.so to libgtkhtml-editor-3.14.so | 09:05 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: you made the update, right? that's why I didn't change it | 09:06 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: we have a patch for that IIRC | 09:06 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, I did the stable release update, I haven't made the 3.31 release | 09:06 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: no, please, don't make 3.31 | 09:06 |
| robert_ancell | I mean update with the stable version of gtkhtml | 09:06 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: we stay on 3.30.x for evo 2.30.x | 09:07 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks, ok, I'll put a note in versions. cheers | 09:07 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: consider libgtkhtml beeing part of the evo stack | 09:07 |
| seb128 | hey | 09:24 |
| seb128 | being a bit late I've been doing some beta testing | 09:24 |
| didrocks | cassidy: I think the ppa will be the way to go for the hug day, do you need help there? (be sure that pedro is aware about that) | 09:32 |
| cassidy | didrocks, the folks package should reach incoming.debian soonish. I'll upload it to the PPA then | 09:32 |
| cassidy | didrocks, I'm doing the empathy release atm. then it would be cool if you could package it | 09:33 |
| didrocks | cassidy: sure, just keep me posted :) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | check the queue before, updates have been done during the week and uploaded | 09:34 |
| seb128 | they are just blocked until beta | 09:34 |
| seb128 | when is the bug day? | 09:35 |
| seb128 | next week? | 09:35 |
| seb128 | the queue will be cleaned before that | 09:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: today | 09:35 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 09:35 |
| seb128 | timing sucks | 09:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: cassidy is making a new .1 release with latest fixes too | 09:36 |
| didrocks | right | 09:36 |
| cassidy | didrocks, folks uploaded to the PPA | 09:36 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:36 |
| cassidy | didrocks, released http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2010-September/004852.html | 09:39 |
| didrocks | cassidy: thanks, will do it in some minutes | 09:46 |
| cassidy | great | 09:47 |
| fta | kenvandine, fyi, gwibber-service crashes a lot here with "GError: Unrecognized image file format" | 09:59 |
| seb128 | fta: bug number? | 09:59 |
| fta | i'm looking for a dupe atm | 09:59 |
| seb128 | let me know | 10:00 |
| seb128 | so I can milestone it | 10:00 |
| fta | oh, there's a .91 available, i'll upgrade 1st | 10:02 |
| fta | empathy just crashed too | 10:02 |
| fta | SIGSEGV in tp_proxy_get_object_path() | 10:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, hi! | 10:51 |
| pitti | Monsieur Bacher! ca va? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | ca va bien ;-) | 10:51 |
| seb128 | ca va même très bien :-) | 10:52 |
| seb128 | et toi ? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, while playing with maverick I noticed that mono applications crash in the guest session | 10:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, would that be a bug in the guest session? | 10:53 |
| pitti | seb128: bien, merci! | 10:53 |
| pitti | seb128: do you have an AppArmor error in dmesg? | 10:53 |
| pitti | the AA profile might need updating | 10:53 |
| seb128 | let me see in my logs | 10:53 |
| seb128 | I had to restart my system crashes again when coming back from the guest session | 10:54 |
| seb128 | some days I hate intel drivers | 10:54 |
| pitti | oh, I used the guest session a couple of times in maverick, and it behaved | 10:54 |
| pitti | but I might have a different card | 10:54 |
| seb128 | it's not the guest session | 10:54 |
| seb128 | it's xorg session switching | 10:55 |
| pitti | right | 10:55 |
| pitti | I mean that | 10:55 |
| seb128 | the box crashes | 10:55 |
| seb128 | ie keyboard led stop responding | 10:55 |
| seb128 | can't do anything but use the power button | 10:55 |
| pitti | does ssh work still? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | type=1400 audit(1283420455.774:51): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_mmap" parent=3311 profile="/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession" | 10:56 |
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| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 10:56 |
| seb128 | name="/dev/shm/mono-shared-124-shared_data | 10:57 |
| pitti | ah | 10:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, should I open a bug about it? | 10:58 |
| pitti | seb128: sure, please do; I need to disappear for an hour and run now, so I can't fix it right away | 10:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, see you! | 10:59 |
| mvo | glatzor: hi, around? | 11:02 |
| seb128 | hey Keybuk | 11:24 |
| Keybuk | heyhey | 11:24 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, how are you? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, did you read pitti's comment on bug #615549 | 11:26 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 615549 in gdm (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Dell Studio XPS 13 no video (affects: 2) (heat: 176)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615549 | 11:26 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, would be nice if you could reply to it ;-) | 11:26 |
| Keybuk | I'm not too bad | 11:26 |
| Keybuk | is there any reason I should have read pitti's comment on that bug? | 11:26 |
| seb128 | he Cc-ed you and asked you a question | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | ah, I /dev/null all bug mail that's not assigned to me | 11:27 |
| seb128 | even direct cc? | 11:27 |
| seb128 | ie if somebody subscribe you to the bug | 11:27 |
| Keybuk | if he Cc'd me in mail, I should have got it | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | right, I /dev/null that | 11:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:28 |
| seb128 | that's useful to know for next time ;-) | 11:28 |
| Keybuk | if you want me to look at a bug, the best thing is to just grab me on IRC like that - or drop me a mail :) | 11:31 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ok, noted for the next time | 11:31 |
| seb128 | thanks ;-) | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | have replied, I would talk to cjwatson and apw about that bug | 11:33 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 11:35 |
| tjaalton | is there a way to have a different default background for gdm & gnome (lucid)? | 11:55 |
| tjaalton | so far it seems "no" | 11:55 |
| seb128 | there is | 11:56 |
| seb128 | just change the background gconf key for the gdm user | 11:56 |
| seb128 | sudo -u gdm gnome-appearance-properties | 11:56 |
| seb128 | it's the easier way | 11:56 |
| seb128 | or sudo -u gdm gconf-editor | 11:56 |
| tjaalton | hmm ok | 11:56 |
| tjaalton | right, I found the files in /var/lib/gdm, could just replace the one having that :) | 11:57 |
| seb128 | you might need to add a dbus-launch in that | 11:57 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:57 |
| tjaalton | ok thanks, sounds like a solutino | 11:57 |
| tjaalton | -on | 11:57 |
| pitti | re | 12:07 |
| pitti | Keybuk: thanks for the reply | 12:07 |
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| chrisccoulson | i quite like Keybuk's approach to handling bug mail ;) | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | heh, it was born out of a few factors | 12:18 |
| Keybuk | firstly I'm really bad at bug mail, and I get shouty and ranty on it; when we experimented with Steve doing the triage and assigning them to me in late-Lucid, things got *so much more productive* | 12:19 |
| Keybuk | secondly the volume of bug mail across the bits I'm theoretically responsible for is so large, I would only have time to read and reply to it, I wouldn't have any time left to actually fix bugs or do work | 12:19 |
| Keybuk | and thirdly I'm almost entirely focussed on development - reading bugs doesn't really help with that :p | 12:19 |
| pitti | I largely ignore incoming bugs (package bug contact), I just jump on subscribed and assigned bugs | 12:20 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm pretty bad with bug mail. i tend to just let them build up for ages and then deleting them when i realise it would take me 2 days to read through them all | 12:20 |
| pitti | and then and again look at the package bug list and do some cleanup | 12:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i generally only read the ones that people assign to me | 12:20 |
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| pitti | I can genearlly live with the bug mail genearted through subscribed/assigned bugs | 12:21 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i'm subscribed to mozilla bugs ;) | 12:21 |
| * pitti sorts his e and r keys | 12:21 | |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: you mean as being a package bug contact? | 12:21 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah | 12:21 |
| pitti | right, those are the ones I ignore | 12:22 |
| pitti | I mean explicitly subscribed | 12:22 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm starting to question the value of being subscribed to all mozilla bugs | 12:22 |
| pitti | I expect the cost-benefit ratio of that to be very low | 12:22 |
| pitti | erm, high I mean :) | 12:22 |
| chrisccoulson | i occasionally spot issues when i see bugs that are getting a lot of comments | 12:23 |
| chrisccoulson | and i spotted yesteday too that lots of people were reporting upgrade failures with ubufox | 12:23 |
| chrisccoulson | but apart from that, it's not much benefit | 12:23 |
| seb128 | we still lack an efficient way to spot bugs we need to work on | 12:24 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i definately have that problem | 12:24 |
| seb128 | I don't bother replying to bug emails nowadays but I still do read titles | 12:25 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's pretty much what i'm doing at the moment | 12:25 |
| seb128 | it give me an idea of which ones are common issues or get comments often | 12:25 |
| seb128 | I'm still trying to figure a way to build a comprehensive bugslist of things we should work on | 12:27 |
| seb128 | which requires first to know what to put on the list | 12:27 |
| * pitti fixes up the mountall lucid branch | 12:27 | |
| seb128 | but also to know how to display the list | 12:28 |
| seb128 | ideally we would have a list of maverick bug tasks on the desktop set | 12:28 |
| seb128 | or the xorg set | 12:28 |
| seb128 | or the firefox set | 12:28 |
| seb128 | then we just need to open maverick tasks for bugs we care about | 12:29 |
| seb128 | mvo, hello | 12:41 |
| seb128 | bug #587004 | 12:41 |
| seb128 | do you want that to have a maverick task? | 12:41 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 587004 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Update-notifier triggers an aptdaemon launch on start up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587004 | 12:42 |
| seb128 | I'm reviewing the bug nomination list | 12:42 |
| mvo | seb128: checking | 12:43 |
| mvo | seb128: I think that is hard to avoid without a suid binary, but I will double check | 12:43 |
| seb128 | mvo, what about comment #8? | 12:43 |
| mvo | seb128: aha, indeed | 12:44 |
| seb128 | mvo, if that's easy to do maybe maverick task set to low and assigned to you there? | 12:45 |
| mvo | seb128: I have a look at the code, should be staightfowrad | 12:46 |
| seb128 | mvo, ok, do you mind if I assign some bugs to you while I clean nominations? feel free to unassign them | 12:47 |
| seb128 | mvo, like bug #620297 | 12:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 620297 in gdebi (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gdebi-gtk fails with ''dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags...." (affects: 24) (dups: 1) (heat: 96)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620297 | 12:47 |
| seb128 | mvo, it's mainly a way to say "could you read the bug and check if that should be on the maverick list" ;-) | 12:47 |
| seb128 | mvo, that will be easier than IRC pings I think | 12:48 |
| mvo | seb128: best is to show them to me here in irc | 12:48 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:48 |
| seb128 | so consider yourself pinged about the gdebi one as well | 12:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, bug #624290 has a patch, would be nice to review | 12:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 624290 in gdebi (Ubuntu) "gdebi crashes if the control file contains UTF-8 characters (affects: 1) (heat: 499)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624290 | 12:49 |
| mvo | looking | 12:51 |
| chrisccoulson | the mimetype detection logic in firefox makes me want to cry! | 12:54 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, is there any reason to not just use gio nowadays? | 12:55 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - probably not, but that wouldn't stop it from being a mess. it seems very over-complicated | 12:57 |
| seb128 | mvo, bug #617821, want it on your maverick list? | 13:00 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 617821 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Forward/Back doesn't work as intended (affects: 1) (heat: 195)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617821 | 13:00 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - in fact, firefox 4.0 is already using gio (with a fallback to gnome-vfs) | 13:01 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:01 |
| chrisccoulson | but it's just bolted on to the previously over-complicated logic ;) | 13:02 |
| chrisccoulson | i should probably try porting the gconf bits to gsettings at some point | 13:02 |
| bilalakhtar | mvo: You know better, but I think bug #627985 is good to go ahead. What do you think? | 13:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 627985 in apt-transport-debtorrent (Ubuntu) "Sync apt-transport-debtorrent 0.2.2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627985 | 13:04 |
| nessita | good morning everyone | 13:04 |
| bilalakhtar | mvo: You have uploaded to it many times, and it appears that the only change is not also in debian | 13:04 |
| bilalakhtar | s/not/now/ | 13:05 |
| mvo | bilalakhtar: I look at it | 13:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #595344 | 13:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 595344 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey failed to install Broadcom B43 wireless driver (affects: 4) (heat: 61)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595344 | 13:15 |
| seb128 | do you want that one nominated? | 13:15 |
| seb128 | bug #613655 seems similar | 13:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 613655 in jockey (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Broadcom B43 wireless driver fails to activate/install (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613655 | 13:15 |
| seb128 | seems the b43 packaging is different | 13:15 |
| seb128 | you need to install a new binary | 13:15 |
| bilalakhtar | mvo: I hope its good. your view? | 13:16 |
| bilalakhtar | have to go now, sorryt | 13:18 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, maybe the URL changed; but I guess we could just entirely remove that driver and just offer wl | 13:19 |
| pitti | seb128: please nominate, duplicate, and assign to me; can do after my holidays | 13:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok | 13:20 |
| pitti | seb128: merci | 13:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, the bug suggest the packaging changed to have installers | 13:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok assigned | 13:23 |
| slomo | seb128: any chance you or someone else could update gst-plugins-bad and -ugly in ubuntu? probably too late now... | 13:44 |
| seb128 | could be done after beta but I've no time for it | 13:44 |
| seb128 | if somebody in motu lands want to do it why not | 13:44 |
| seb128 | ^ whoever could be wanting to work on those? | 13:45 |
| slomo | ok, let's hope someone has the time for it... -ugly should be just a sync but -bad needs changes because of your plugin moves to -good | 13:45 |
| slomo | also would be nice if someone could update the -bad-multiverse and -ugly-multiverse packages :) | 13:45 |
| slomo | seb128: i wonder if i still have the required permissions to do it... but i'd also need someone to tell me what your policies are nowadays :P i simply don't want to close upstream bugs and tell people that the bugs are fixed since months immediately after the ubuntu release... | 13:48 |
| seb128 | slomo, you still have upload rights | 13:48 |
| seb128 | slomo, no special requirements, those are in universe | 13:48 |
| seb128 | slomo, you can just do the update and upload if you want | 13:49 |
| seb128 | source uploads so you don't need an ubuntu box to build | 13:49 |
| seb128 | rather easy it is no ;-) | 13:49 |
| slomo | sounds good, when is "after beta"? :) | 13:49 |
| ogra | slomo, later tonight or tomorrow | 13:50 |
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| seb128 | you can upload | 13:50 |
| ogra | publishing is in the works | 13:50 |
| seb128 | those will just queue and there is no freeze for universe | 13:50 |
| seb128 | so somebody will get those in | 13:50 |
| slomo | ok, i'll try to find some time to get these updated later today or tomorrow then | 13:50 |
| seb128 | thank you | 13:51 |
| slomo | seb128: you'll care for good? only change for the release (later today, really) will be the version number (compared to .5) | 13:58 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:58 |
| seb128 | we have .5 | 13:58 |
| seb128 | so should be easy ;-) | 13:58 |
| slomo | good :) | 13:58 |
| slomo | except the plugin moves :P but you're probably using dh_autoreconf anyway | 13:58 |
| seb128 | no we don't actually for this one yet but the autoreconf change applies without issue between minor version | 13:59 |
| seb128 | so it didn't annoy me enough to switch to dh-autoreconf | 13:59 |
| slomo | ok | 14:00 |
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| bcurtiswx | didrocks, thanks for making those uploads to telepathy PPA :) | 14:35 |
| didrocks | bcurtiswx: yw ;) it will be in maverick ASAP we unfreeze | 14:36 |
| didrocks | but it's better to have the latest crack for the hug day :-) | 14:36 |
| bcurtiswx | didrocks, yeah, i knew it was gonna unfreeze today, i was the one that pushed them to be put on the PPA seeing the bad timing of everything | 14:36 |
| didrocks | bcurtiswx: oh ok :-) | 14:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, mvo: I've no closed source drivers on that box but do you know if bug #570215 is still valid? | 14:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 570215 in jockey (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] jockey should use the new Lucid restart notification system (affects: 2) (heat: 28)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570215 | 14:46 |
| pitti | presumably it is; I never changed anything in that regard | 14:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you think that's something that should be on the maverick list as a low importance task? | 14:49 |
| pitti | seb128: not sure how important it is, but please feel free to assign to me for now | 14:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 14:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems it's a simple matter of writting /var/run/reboot-required | 14:52 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, kenvandine: some packages I submitted on Tuesday are still in the queue, so, do I need to do anything to have them reviewed/uploaded? | 14:55 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, no, just wait until after beta | 14:56 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ah, ok | 14:56 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, we are frozen for beta since thursday | 14:56 |
| rodrigo_ | until when? | 14:56 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, if you need something to get in it should fix a beta bug and you need to ask the release team to approve it | 14:56 |
| seb128 | until beta is released | 14:56 |
| seb128 | which should be today in theory | 14:56 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, I can wait | 14:56 |
| seb128 | not sure if that's on track, it could be tomorrow | 14:56 |
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| desrt | tedg: hey | 15:03 |
| desrt | tedg: wrote a mail to xdg list today about my actions interface that i just added to glib | 15:03 |
| tedg | desrt, Yeah, I read through that -- I didin't know dbus had a maybe type. | 15:04 |
| desrt | it's not on master yet, but i guess it will be by next week | 15:04 |
| desrt | it doesn't | 15:04 |
| desrt | but it will soon | 15:04 |
| desrt | and until then there is a well-accepted way to fake it | 15:04 |
| tedg | Oh, now I don't feel as stupid :) | 15:04 |
| desrt | when you consider that a maybe type is essentially just an array that is constrained to only having 0 or 1 items in it... | 15:05 |
| desrt | then you see that ax <-> mx | 15:05 |
| desrt | anyway. what is your opinion? | 15:06 |
| tedg | Makes sense to me. I probably need to re-read it knowing that. | 15:06 |
| desrt | since it seems likely that you have a role in building on this interface, probably you should be OK with it :) | 15:06 |
| tedg | Do you think the spec needs a set of "well known" action names? | 15:07 |
| desrt | no | 15:07 |
| tedg | It seems like that'd be required for scripting. | 15:07 |
| desrt | but i think it needs a set of well-known context items | 15:07 |
| desrt | like x11-timestamp | 15:07 |
| tedg | Yeah, that was my next comment. | 15:07 |
| tedg | Why not the well known actions? | 15:07 |
| desrt | the set of actions will be extremely diverse depending on the application anyway | 15:07 |
| desrt | some like Quit might make sense | 15:08 |
| tedg | Yes, but I think there are probably 10 or so that are fairly universal. | 15:08 |
| bilalakhtar | kenvandine: around? | 15:08 |
| desrt | so another thing that may interest you is that i'm working on another interface at the same time | 15:08 |
| desrt | i may or may not bother to take this the freedesktop route | 15:08 |
| tedg | dconf? ;) | 15:08 |
| desrt | but it's basically an application interface | 15:08 |
| desrt | so far there are only two things that applications can do: | 15:08 |
| desrt | 1) they can be activated | 15:08 |
| desrt | 2) they can be asked to open files | 15:08 |
| tedg | It seems like there should be a 3) parse a command line? | 15:09 |
| desrt | ah right. they can do that too | 15:09 |
| desrt | i forgot :) | 15:09 |
| tedg | It'd be nice to be able to get a list of windows and/or documents. Just to avoid the introspection of dbus. | 15:09 |
| desrt | http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gapplication.h?h=application#n93 | 15:10 |
| bilalakhtar_ | kenvandine: sorry, I am here | 15:10 |
| desrt | 'startup' is an implicit one that happens at the start | 15:10 |
| desrt | 'activate' 'open' 'action' and 'command_line' are the ones to happen via dbus | 15:10 |
| desrt | but.... | 15:10 |
| desrt | 'action' is clearly handled by this new spec now | 15:10 |
| tedg | desrt, It'd be nice to do some sort of session management in that class as well... but, that's a whole mess that's poorly defined :( | 15:11 |
| popey | is there known breakage at the moment in going lucid -> maverick? I'm getting http://popey.com/~alan/maverick.png http://popey.com/~alan/apt.log lots of broken depends around xorg ABI stuff.. | 15:11 |
| desrt | ya. i'd like to dodge that for now :) | 15:11 |
| tedg | desrt, Someday, someone involved in the freedesktop is going to have to fix that. | 15:11 |
| desrt | this project is already dangerously overdue | 15:11 |
| desrt | considering we have to have a glib release by end-of-month | 15:11 |
| desrt | it's getting close to the "okay, we'll drop GApplication entirely" point | 15:12 |
| tedg | Whoa? I didn't realize that. | 15:12 |
| tedg | I thought glib and gtk released roughly together, no? | 15:12 |
| desrt | GDBus and GSettings have not yet seen a stable release | 15:12 |
| bilalakhtar_ | popey: yes there is | 15:12 |
| desrt | imagine trying to have the next stable GNOME or ubuntu release... | 15:12 |
| desrt | nah. glib and gtk schedules drift quite a bit | 15:13 |
| tedg | desrt, Yeah, so that's why I thought GLib would release in Dec like GTK | 15:13 |
| bilalakhtar_ | popey: let me give you the link | 15:13 |
| desrt | well | 15:13 |
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| desrt | maverick depends a lot on the unstable glib right now | 15:13 |
| desrt | so we need to drop a stable release in order for maverick to ship.... | 15:13 |
| tedg | desrt, Yes, but it's probably not super important that GApplication is in there, no? | 15:14 |
| desrt | well | 15:14 |
| tedg | desrt, It's more important that it's in for dec. | 15:14 |
| bilalakhtar | popey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-August/000744.html | 15:14 |
| desrt | the problem is that GApplication is *already* in there | 15:14 |
| tedg | Oh | 15:14 |
| desrt | in a totally broken form | 15:14 |
| desrt | total-rewrite territory | 15:14 |
| popey | oh thanks :) | 15:14 |
| desrt | anyway.. i'd be happier if we had it ready for end-of-month :) | 15:15 |
| bilalakhtar | popey: np, my pleasure in helping a famous person :D | 15:15 |
| tedg | desrt, So you're saying no session management? ;) | 15:15 |
| desrt | well | 15:16 |
| desrt | it doesn't belong in GApplication, to be sure | 15:16 |
| desrt | it's something we could maybe consider for GtkApplication | 15:16 |
| tedg | desrt, Just to be curious, why not? It seems like command line apps should shutdown gracefully as well. | 15:16 |
| desrt | isn't session management a necessarily Xish thing? | 15:17 |
| desrt | (i assume you're talking about "Session Management(tm)") | 15:17 |
| tedg | desrt, It is now, but the proposal from the fedora folks puts more of it in places like ConsoleKit. | 15:17 |
| tedg | desrt, One of the problems is with multiple users, if I shutdown the system, I want your session to shutdown gracefully as well. | 15:18 |
| desrt | to be honest, it's not on my radar | 15:19 |
| desrt | and i don't really appreciate/understand it | 15:19 |
| desrt | the way that i would see it working is that there is some central session-manager type service | 15:20 |
| tedg | desrt, I was trying to get time to work on it a while back before the whole DX thing started at Canonical. Someday, I'd still like to solve it. | 15:20 |
| desrt | and individual apps register with it | 15:20 |
| seb128 | hey desrt | 15:20 |
| desrt | and then when shutdown wants to happen each app is asked | 15:20 |
| desrt | seb128: hello | 15:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw I removed the retracers lock I just want to have an estimation of the backlog | 15:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, they will probably crash but I will now what is waiting at least | 15:20 |
| tedg | desrt, Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. The problems start coming with supporting old protocols, etc. | 15:21 |
| desrt | seb128: is the current release of dconf somehow broken by new glib? | 15:21 |
| seb128 | desrt, dunno we didn't get the new glib yet | 15:21 |
| desrt | let me know | 15:21 |
| seb128 | desrt, we are frozen for beta since thursday | 15:21 |
| desrt | i get this nagging feeling i may need to do a release | 15:21 |
| seb128 | desrt, we should unfreeze today or tomorrow so I will let you know | 15:21 |
| desrt | but at the same time i am annoyed because david changed an API again and probably we have to change it *again* | 15:21 |
| seb128 | desrt, speaking of which if you change gapplication now that will break things as well | 15:22 |
| desrt | we're *definitely* not shipping glib with GApplication in its current state | 15:22 |
| desrt | it's really awful | 15:22 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:22 |
| seb128 | what is the plan to fix GNOME 2.32? | 15:23 |
| desrt | we'll either replace it or rip it out entirely | 15:23 |
| seb128 | it's hard freezing next week no? | 15:23 |
| desrt | well | 15:23 |
| desrt | probably we don't ship GtkApplication either, actually | 15:23 |
| seb128 | things in 2.31 are using gapplication | 15:23 |
| seb128 | what happens to them | 15:23 |
| desrt | ie: no backport | 15:23 |
| desrt | *shrug* | 15:23 |
| seb128 | ie nautilus | 15:23 |
| desrt | ask vuntz | 15:23 |
| desrt | i have no idea | 15:23 |
| mvo | popey: re xorg - there is a xserver-xorg-core in the queue that hopefully fixes those issues | 15:24 |
| seb128 | Date: 2010-06-18 | 15:24 |
| seb128 | Port to GApplication. | 15:24 |
| seb128 | Drop the libunique dependency. | 15:24 |
| seb128 | vuntz, ^ | 15:24 |
| mvo | popey: there is also a apt branch that solves the underlying problem, if you are keen to try it | 15:24 |
| popey | mvo: magic, thanks for letting me know | 15:24 |
| popey | I'll wait :) | 15:24 |
| desrt | i told vuntz the day before yesterday that we have no time/effort/inclination to have a backported GtkApplication for gtk 2.22 | 15:24 |
| desrt | he said OK | 15:24 |
| seb128 | desrt, well they don't use it | 15:24 |
| seb128 | they just use gapplication | 15:24 |
| desrt | ah | 15:24 |
| desrt | different story... | 15:24 |
| mvo | popey: fair enough :) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | instead of libunique | 15:24 |
| desrt | i will have to hurry, i guess | 15:25 |
| seb128 | desrt, 2.31 uses gtk2 not gtk3 | 15:25 |
| popey | mvo: its apple hardware so I have enough issues to content with :) | 15:25 |
| seb128 | desrt, so no gtkapplication | 15:25 |
| desrt | ah true | 15:25 |
| seb128 | desrt, but glib 2.25 has gapplication | 15:25 |
| desrt | i thought maybe they were depending on it from master | 15:25 |
| seb128 | which nautilus and some other use | 15:25 |
| desrt | and waiting for the backport | 15:25 |
| seb128 | no | 15:25 |
| desrt | okay. that's some good news. | 15:25 |
| seb128 | well still hard freeze is next week | 15:25 |
| desrt | ya. bit of an ugly situation here, i agree | 15:26 |
| seb128 | if you are going to break abi before 2.26 GNOME is on a tight schedule | 15:26 |
| desrt | and i'd really rather not say "go back to libunique for now" | 15:26 |
| desrt | seb128: do you have any idea of the full list of GApplication users? | 15:26 |
| vuntz | seb128: what's the issue? :-) | 15:27 |
| seb128 | vuntz, GNOME 2.31 uses gapplication | 15:27 |
| desrt | vuntz: we're ripping GApplication out of glib | 15:27 |
| seb128 | vuntz, but desrt wants to easier break abi or drop it for 2.26 | 15:27 |
| vuntz | desrt: err, you didn't tell me that part yesterday | 15:27 |
| desrt | and maybe replacing it with a different unrelated thing called GApplication | 15:27 |
| desrt | vuntz: i forgot :) | 15:27 |
| vuntz | tss | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Binary file eog matches | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Binary file gnome-display-properties matches | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Binary file nautilus matches | 15:27 |
| desrt | oh | 15:28 |
| seb128 | grepping for g_appli | 15:28 |
| desrt | that's peanuts | 15:28 |
| vuntz | desrt: mail ddl before doing it | 15:28 |
| seb128 | still running wait ;-) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | Binary file totem matches | 15:28 |
| vuntz | desrt: but that's really late to do so, that sounds bad | 15:28 |
| seb128 | desrt, seems to be the list on my system but I'm lacking some 2.31 updates | 15:28 |
| desrt | vuntz: we decided at GUADEC that GApplication is really bad | 15:28 |
| desrt | even walters thinks so -- and he wrote it! | 15:29 |
| desrt | so i started fixing it | 15:29 |
| vuntz | desrt: but the plan was (at least, the part I understood) that the new fixed GApplication would be in | 15:29 |
| desrt | but i had vacation booked | 15:29 |
| desrt | and when i came back work assigned me to another project | 15:29 |
| desrt | so.... | 15:29 |
| desrt | vuntz: right . i think i can manage it. | 15:29 |
| desrt | but it will be tight. | 15:29 |
| vuntz | desrt: how come you can go on vacation like that? And in France, but not in Grenoble. | 15:29 |
| desrt | and it will be *totally* incompatible | 15:29 |
| desrt | i'm not on vacation in france. i'm working. | 15:30 |
| vuntz | desrt: really, mail ddl about it because I'm pretty sure users of GApplication are not aware of that | 15:30 |
| vuntz | desrt: between incompatible API and going back to libunique for 2.32, they might just go back to libunique | 15:30 |
| * desrt wrote 1300 lines of code yesterday :p | 15:30 | |
| desrt | hmm | 15:31 |
| desrt | would make it possible to drop GApplication | 15:31 |
| vuntz | yes | 15:31 |
| desrt | i'm fairly sure that waiting could produce a better result anyway | 15:31 |
| vuntz | so... send a mail, put a deadline to get a consensus before Monday, and you're done :-) | 15:31 |
| desrt | i'll see what matthias thinks | 15:31 |
| seb128 | desrt, vuntz: thanks | 15:36 |
| desrt | i have sent the mail | 15:37 |
| * desrt puts on asbestos pajamas | 15:37 | |
| desrt | vuntz: btw: i want release team to issue a public statement on the topic of licences | 15:38 |
| desrt | what is appropriate for libraries and what is appropriate for apps | 15:38 |
| desrt | and what is appropriate for quasi-library apps (like gvfs daemon) | 15:38 |
| tedg | desrt, Did the final get to GPLv2|LGPLv3 ? | 15:38 |
| vuntz | desrt: http://live.gnome.org/VincentUntz/Philosophy | 15:38 |
| desrt | the release team was renamed to VincentUntz? :) | 15:39 |
| bilalakhtar | seb128: I know it would sound wierd, but could you please endorse my MOTU application? (After all, you're a core-dev) | 15:39 |
| vuntz | desrt: that's a draft | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | fta: i uploaded gwibber with a patch to handle that exception last night, but it wasn't causing a crash for me | 15:39 |
| vuntz | desrt: comments welcome | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | fta: was gwibber-service actually crashing? or just a traceback? | 15:39 |
| desrt | vuntz: i like ted's idea, actually | 15:39 |
| seb128 | bilalakhtar, can do ;-) | 15:40 |
| desrt | LGPLv3+ with a 'backwards compatibility, but deprecated' GPLv2 option | 15:40 |
| seb128 | bilalakhtar, could you drop me an email so I don't drop the task? | 15:40 |
| bilalakhtar | seb128: do it whenever you have time, well you only sponsored 1 change of mine | 15:40 |
| bilalakhtar | Thanks seb128 ! | 15:40 |
| tedg | desrt, To be fair, that's bkuhn's idea. | 15:40 |
| seb128 | bilalakhtar, I've seen you active on bugs and changes from you in the sponsoring queue | 15:40 |
| seb128 | bilalakhtar, so that's ok ;-) | 15:40 |
| * bilalakhtar adds 'Send mail to seb128 ' to his todo | 15:41 | |
| desrt | tedg: meh. it's an idea that a lot of people have had independently, i think. i had it myself before i heard it from anyone else :p | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | fta: actually my patch i uploaded doesn't include that fix... but it is fixed in trunk | 15:41 |
| bilalakhtar | actually, kenvandine has sponsored more stuff so I think I should ask him as well :) Please, ken! | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | fta: i would like to know if it is a crash though | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | bilalakhtar, i am not a core-dev yet :) | 15:42 |
| tedg | desrt, Heh, then it must be divine intervention! ;) | 15:42 |
| kenvandine | bilalakhtar, just ~ubuntu-desktop | 15:42 |
| desrt | let's do it!! | 15:42 |
| bilalakhtar | kenvandine: ah, the application is for MOTU | 15:42 |
| vuntz | desrt: I'm unsure if LGPLv3+ + GPLv2 would work. Would need a lawyer for that :-) | 15:42 |
| desrt | isn't bkuhn a lawyer or something? | 15:43 |
| vuntz | desrt: not a lawyer | 15:43 |
| kenvandine | bilalakhtar, i'll gladly recommend you though | 15:43 |
| bilalakhtar | as you wish, kenvandine | 15:43 |
| kenvandine | wiki page? | 15:43 |
| bilalakhtar | thanks for the recommendation ! | 15:43 |
| bilalakhtar | kenvandine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/MOTUApplication | 15:43 |
| desrt | vuntz: is GPLv2(only) apps and libraries your only reason for not supporting lgpl3? | 15:43 |
| desrt | or also the "we piss off the corporate types" angle? | 15:44 |
| vuntz | desrt: is there any other free license that have an issue with lgplv3? or is it just gplv2? | 15:44 |
| desrt | gpl2 only | 15:44 |
| vuntz | desrt: I don't have an answer to this question, and that would be my main issue | 15:44 |
| desrt | so i was having a thought experiment yesterday | 15:45 |
| desrt | you'll remember i said to you in a recent email exchange "anybody who licences gpl2-only has made a mistake" | 15:45 |
| desrt | what's the difference between gpl2 and gpl2+, though? | 15:45 |
| desrt | the only difference is that one of them allows linking with (l)gpl3, as well | 15:45 |
| desrt | but there are still problems with other copyleft licences | 15:46 |
| desrt | so it got me thinking that really *any* strong copyleft licence is a problem sooner or later | 15:46 |
| desrt | and the only reason we see the issue differently at all is because GPL is really "the" copyleft licence | 15:46 |
| vuntz | desrt: ah, see. Now you want to use BSD! | 15:46 |
| vuntz | desrt: I'm fine with that :-) | 15:47 |
| desrt | so nobody tends to care about GPL vs. (other-copyleft) | 15:47 |
| desrt | no | 15:47 |
| desrt | i think i'd rather write apps with LGPL | 15:47 |
| desrt | the mixing-the-codebases case is rare enough | 15:47 |
| desrt | even more rare when you want to do it with two different incompatible copyleft licences | 15:47 |
| desrt | not a big issue | 15:47 |
| desrt | but the "can i use this library?" issue is coming up all the time | 15:47 |
| desrt | with LGPL the answer is always 'yes' | 15:48 |
| vuntz | except that it's "no" for LGPLv3 library and GPLv2 app :-) | 15:48 |
| desrt | that's not true | 15:48 |
| desrt | the lgplv3 says "yes. you can!" | 15:48 |
| desrt | the gplv2 says "no." | 15:49 |
| desrt | it's like saying the lgplv3 prevents you from linking your software to that copy of oracle that you downloaded from the pirate bay | 15:49 |
| desrt | no. it doesn't. | 15:49 |
| desrt | but oracle might have some things to say about it :) | 15:49 |
| desrt | (an interesting question is if anybody using strict GPLv2 would ever go after someone for linking their software against LGPLv3 libraries...) | 15:50 |
| desrt | anyway.. the whole issue can be dodged by saying 'plus GPL2 for compatibility reasons' | 15:52 |
| fta | kenvandine, what do you mean? it triggered apport but it's just an assert from python | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | humm | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | is gwibber-service dieing? | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | i guess apport doesn't catch it if i run from a checkout | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | which is the only place i have seen it... well it should be OK in trunk | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | we now catch the exception and log it | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | we should actually remove that bad file from the cache too... i'll do that today | 15:59 |
| rickspencer3 | looks like identi.ca got bitten by the twitter ouath bug as well | 16:09 |
| rickspencer3 | and by "bug", I mean, like the flu | 16:09 |
| Laney | they could scarcely have announced that more widely | 16:09 |
| Laney | not as if it was a surprise! | 16:09 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, oh, they are dropping basic auth too? | 16:09 |
| kenvandine | i am sure they will be easier to work with though :) | 16:10 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, I dunno, I got an email from identi.ca that said, your twitter bridge is no longer working | 16:10 |
| mvo | seb128: * debian/patches/91_keep_fds.patch: - Applied upstream <- that looks very fishy | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, oh... | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | i thought you meant they were dropping basic auth and we would need to quickly migrate to oauth | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | we should do that anyway... since i am sure it'll happen eventually | 16:11 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, sorry for the false alarm | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | you did scare me :) | 16:19 |
| kenvandine | thought i was going to lose sleep this weekend again :) | 16:19 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:19 |
| seb128 | mvo, I think upstream said it was not required with their changes | 16:19 |
| seb128 | mvo, but I guess it didn't get really tested our of upstream word for it | 16:20 |
| mvo | yeah | 16:20 |
| * mvo grumbles a bit | 16:21 | |
| fta | kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/487299/ (that was with .90) | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | fta: ok, i'll get that patch uploaded too | 16:24 |
| devildante | anyone has a little nasty bug they want to get fixed? I'm a little bored :p | 16:25 |
| devildante | hi mvo :) | 16:25 |
| mvo | hey devildante | 16:25 |
| mvo | seb128: I don't think the python bindings export the stuff I need to make it work, so I want 91_keep_fds back | 16:26 |
| seb128 | mvo, feel free to bounce him back the bug | 16:26 |
| mvo | seb128: pretty please ;) | 16:26 |
| seb128 | mvo, can you state what you need in the bug? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | I will get it assigned to robert_ancell | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo, "Featured" was in lucid s-c right? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/BetaAnnouncement has | 16:28 |
| seb128 | 'including the new "Featured" and "What's New" views for showcasing applications' | 16:28 |
| seb128 | I was wondering if that's correct | 16:28 |
| seb128 | or it was a category but not a view before? | 16:28 |
| seb128 | tremolux, ^ | 16:28 |
| tremolux | seb128: the views are new, yes | 16:28 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 16:29 |
| tremolux | seb128: now they are more "dynamic", cool widgets to allow the lists to be browsable from the front panel | 16:29 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, "The boot process is cleaner and faster" | 16:29 |
| seb128 | tremolux, ok, makes sense to have it listed then ;-) | 16:29 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, what tremolux said, much more shinny now | 16:30 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, who wrote that? did we change anything to make it "cleaner" this cycle? | 16:30 |
| mvo | "crisp" | 16:30 |
| seb128 | mvo, tremolux: great work ;-) | 16:30 |
| seb128 | s-c rocks | 16:30 |
| seb128 | mvo, tremolux: do you have any bug about "nothing happens while loading views"? | 16:31 |
| mvo | I don't think so | 16:31 |
| seb128 | I though for a moment that s-c was buggy, I clicked on the ubuntu provided view in the sidebar | 16:31 |
| seb128 | the cursor only spins over the right panel though | 16:31 |
| mvo | seb128: its a team thing, kiwinote, devildante nzmm and more | 16:32 |
| seb128 | so I had non spinning cursor and blank view for 15 seconds | 16:32 |
| mvo | they made it rock this cycle | 16:32 |
| seb128 | great work everybody ;-) | 16:32 |
| devildante | Thanks, mvo, seb128 :) | 16:32 |
| tremolux | seb128, mvo, devildante: totally! the team rocked s-c this cycle | 16:36 |
| devildante | ;) | 16:36 |
| devildante | do we have plans for usc 4.0? | 16:37 |
| kiwinote | indeed, has been great fun working with everyone :) | 16:37 |
| seb128 | mvo, tremolux: is the "nothing happens during view loading" worth a bug? | 16:37 |
| tremolux | seb128: so, for me, it takes about 1/2 second to open that view, but it's true that the busy cursor is only showing when over the right panel | 16:38 |
| seb128 | here on my laptop it takes 6 seconds | 16:38 |
| seb128 | and that's for the installed softwars | 16:38 |
| seb128 | ie not the whole "what is available" | 16:38 |
| seb128 | it's a duo core config quite fast | 16:39 |
| tremolux | seb128: yes, installed software is slow as it's a much longer list :( | 16:39 |
| seb128 | well I though it was buggy, I selected another view before it loaded | 16:39 |
| seb128 | since nothing was happening for 5 seconds | 16:39 |
| seb128 | could we get a spinner in the right side | 16:39 |
| seb128 | ie some animation starting when you click | 16:40 |
| seb128 | I guess it's late for that this cycle though | 16:40 |
| tremolux | seb128: yeah, something in the panel would be nice | 16:40 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, there was work on the boot process, yes | 16:41 |
| tremolux | seb128: but a faster load time would be nicer ;) | 16:41 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, desktop work? or grub? | 16:41 |
| seb128 | bug #556375 | 16:42 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 556375 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Response too slow when clicking "Provided by Ubuntu" subitem of "Installed Software" (affects: 3) (heat: 31)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556375 | 16:42 |
| seb128 | tremolux, mvo: ^ I guess | 16:42 |
| mvo | tremolux: maybe devildante can fix the busy cursor ;) | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, it's all foundations, so far as I know | 16:43 |
| tremolux | seb128: yepper | 16:43 |
| rickspencer3 | and pitti helped from the OEM side | 16:43 |
| seb128 | can we get a spinner on the left or right pane? | 16:43 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ok thanks | 16:43 |
| devildante | mvo, I'll look at it ;) | 16:44 |
| mvo | super! thanks devildante | 16:45 |
| devildante | np... | 16:45 |
| tremolux | devildante: thx! | 16:46 |
| * devildante will be afk for a while | 16:51 | |
| kenvandine | fta: ok, trunk now not only catches that exception but it also deletes the bad file from the cache | 16:51 |
| fta | kenvandine, thanks | 16:51 |
| kenvandine | i had 7 files in my cache that weren't images... but xml files containing a 404 error from identi.ca | 16:52 |
| mvo | is it just me or is LP really on the slow side today? | 17:01 |
| c_korn | it is not any slower than usual here | 17:02 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, pedro_, pitti, RAOF, Riddell, tremolux: I guess I should mention that I'll be on holiday next Mon-Wed, back to work on Thur | 17:03 |
| mterry | k | 17:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hi rickspencer3 | 17:04 |
| tremolux | rickspencer3: enjoy! | 17:04 |
| pedro_ | enjoy rickspencer3! | 17:04 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks guys | 17:04 |
| rickspencer3 | I was going to knock around Seattle, but have changed my plans, since desrt invited me to dinner in Paris | 17:05 |
| rickspencer3 | ;) | 17:05 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, have fun | 17:05 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: ok, enjoy ;) | 17:06 |
| sabdfl | rickspencer3: seattle <-> paris ?!? | 17:06 |
| sabdfl | your scramjet working again? | 17:06 |
| rickspencer3 | sabdfl, well, if I had a friend who cold lend me a jet, hint hint | 17:07 |
| sabdfl | i'm still on the old subsonic stuff | 17:07 |
| rickspencer3 | oh well | 17:07 |
| sabdfl | indeed | 17:07 |
| sabdfl | sigh | 17:07 |
| rickspencer3 | desrt, I'll be on a subsonic jet, so I might be a few minutes late | 17:07 |
| ara | seb128, can you point me again to the bug in language-selector you told me before? | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | ara, bug 612825 | 17:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 612825 in language-selector (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[ubuntu] maverick: can't install new languages (nothing happen) (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/612825 | 17:09 |
| ara | pedro_, gracias :) | 17:10 |
| pedro_ | ara, por nada :-) | 17:10 |
| seb128 | ara, pedro_: thanks | 17:10 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, hi | 17:18 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, your tomboy change seems buggy | 17:18 |
| seb128 | or rather weird | 17:20 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do you dlopen the lib or something? | 17:20 |
| seb128 | why not adding mono bindings to the lib rather? | 17:20 |
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| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, I DllImport it, yes | 17:45 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, which is the same as dlopen'ing it | 17:46 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, the change seemed weird because usually shlibs handle the lib depends | 17:47 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, but that's only when you build against a lib, not when you dlopen or dllimport it ;-) | 17:47 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, right, I guess it doesn't know (the mono debhelpers) about dllImported libs? | 17:48 |
| seb128 | right | 17:48 |
| slomo | dh_clilibs knows about DllImport | 17:51 |
| slomo | looks at shlibs and in newer versions at symbols files | 17:51 |
| seb128 | oh, nice | 17:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, hey | 18:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you like evo bugs right? ;-) | 18:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: OTP :-) | 18:04 |
| didrocks | lalala ;) | 18:04 |
| seb128 | lol | 18:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you talk to rodrigo_ about the template not showing? | 18:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's showing on my latest test today, so I was either dreaming, not really awake, or weird issue | 18:05 |
| didrocks | so, can't reproduce with latest beta image | 18:05 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 18:06 |
| didrocks | sorry for the confusion | 18:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no worry | 18:13 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: have fun! (I'll be off next week, too) | 18:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, btw did you manage to install UNE today after the update? | 18:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no hurry to reply if you are still talking to david ;-) | 18:31 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did you mean to reopen the gwibber twitter bug? | 18:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, cjwatson was asking about that earlier today | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | i saw that, but it isn't still open is it? | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | well, the lucid one should be | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | for lucid it is fix committed | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | not sure what it should be since it is in -proposed | 18:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well you reopened the maverick task yesterday | 18:37 |
| kenvandine | cjwatson set it to fix committed, so i guess that is fine | 18:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, somebody else closed it since but I was wondering if there was a reason you did reopen it | 18:37 |
| kenvandine | it wasn't on purpose then :) | 18:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok just checking | 18:38 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 18:38 |
| kenvandine | yeah, that must have been my juggling the status before subscribing ubuntu-sru | 18:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, davidbarth: you guys are triaging every single unity bug? | 18:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: we are looking for important one and triage the backlog, right | 18:50 |
| seb128 | great work ;-) | 18:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you can nominate those we should really see fixed for maverick btw | 18:51 |
| seb128 | I will accept the nominations | 18:51 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks :-) should we wait for nomination next week? We set all which should be fixed upstream for 09/09 | 18:51 |
| seb128 | well nominations are just a way to track bugs we want to watch for this cycle | 18:52 |
| seb128 | so no need to wait no | 18:52 |
| seb128 | just nominate things you want to make sure we track | 18:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, will do once we get the list. thanks :) | 18:54 |
| davidbarth | seb128: we're triaging every single unity bug, indeed | 18:54 |
| seb128 | keep the great work while I'm eating ;-) | 18:55 |
| seb128 | dinner time | 18:55 |
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| didrocks | seb128: seeing that when some are eating, other are working :-) | 19:01 |
| chrisccoulson | finally i think we can fix bug 239952 in ubuntu :) | 19:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 239952 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "firefox - the associated helper application does not exist (affects: 49) (dups: 2) (heat: 280)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/239952 | 19:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: re: testing latest install: yes, it's that one when I noticed that evolution is working with the default email | 19:04 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: great! | 19:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: about the "I like evo bugs"? what's the bad news on the street? ;) | 19:05 |
| pitti | so long, bye everyone! | 19:09 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - would you mind adding a maverick task to bug 239952 for me please? :) | 19:14 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 239952 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "firefox - the associated helper application does not exist (affects: 49) (dups: 2) (heat: 280)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/239952 | 19:14 |
| chrisccoulson | actually | 19:14 |
| chrisccoulson | i think i can already do it, because the bug has a universe package on there | 19:14 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, i can | 19:15 |
| chrisccoulson | lovely launchpad. i'm not meant to able to do that | 19:15 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: bdmurray wants to get task creation for all of bug control | 19:16 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg - i'm not sure that all of bug control should be able to do that, but uploaders certainly should be able to | 19:17 |
| chrisccoulson | i think it's a bug that i can't do it for packages that i can upload | 19:18 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: I agree :0 | 19:18 |
| micahg | :) | 19:18 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: packagesets aren't taken into account for that yet | 19:18 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm not sure if there is a bug for that somewhere | 19:18 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: bug 507773 | 19:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 507773 in malone "Cannot confirm SRU tasks for packages I have upload rights to. (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507773 | 19:21 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: actually, bug 376006 | 19:22 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 376006 in malone "People allowed to upload to a package set should be allowed to approve bug nominations (affects: 1)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376006 | 19:22 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok | 19:40 |
| seb128 | I like when things are sorted when I come back ;-) | 19:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I was wondering about the bug where --component changes the default | 19:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: is it a bug or a feature ? | 19:41 |
| seb128 | well I'm not sure | 19:41 |
| didrocks | ok, looks like a feature which can behave like a bug :) | 19:42 |
| seb128 | but njpatel and gord got bitten by it | 19:42 |
| seb128 | you did | 19:42 |
| didrocks | do you want that we fix that? | 19:42 |
| didrocks | would make sense | 19:42 |
| didrocks | I can have a look | 19:42 |
| seb128 | seems users tend to not understand why it does that | 19:42 |
| didrocks | I agree, it's not natural | 19:42 |
| seb128 | we got bugs about it as well | 19:42 |
| didrocks | oh really? | 19:42 |
| didrocks | I'll have a look then | 19:42 |
| didrocks | (got to run to have a dinner, or will be badly hurt by Julie ;)) | 19:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, enjoy | 19:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, and tell Julie she must stop hurting you | 19:46 |
| seb128 | not nice ;-) | 19:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's what I keep telling her :) | 19:48 |
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| htorque | MacSlow, should bug 617084 be "fix released"? | 20:34 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 617084 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Background color/gradient not taken into account when using transparent wallpapers (affects: 1) (heat: 176)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617084 | 20:34 |
| didrocks | htorque: I didn't touch it because I didn't have the time to check it's fixed | 20:35 |
| didrocks | htorque: thanks for your work on bugs, btw :) | 20:35 |
| htorque | yw :) | 20:35 |
| htorque | thanks for fixing all of them :) | 20:35 |
| didrocks | well, dx team is rocking on them :-) | 20:36 |
| LaserJock | anybody know where desktopcouch people hang out? | 20:54 |
| kenvandine | #ubuntuone | 20:56 |
| kenvandine | LaserJock, ^^ | 20:56 |
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| kenvandine | didrocks, ping | 21:38 |
| kenvandine | if you get a chance... bug 620733 | 21:38 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 620733 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy does not remember settings (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620733 | 21:38 |
| kenvandine | seems to be saving settings now... but some defaults like the theme aren't set | 21:38 |
| kenvandine | which comes from gconf setting in ubuntu-artwork | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | do we need to do something in ubuntu-artwork to migrate those defaults ? | 21:39 |
| chrisccoulson | isn't empathy using gsettings already? | 21:39 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: do you need sponsoring? | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, no... i don't | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | just noticed empathy isn't getting the default theme | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, it is | 21:40 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: well, can you talk to robert about it? as he made the removal and familiar with that | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | but the theme is being set with gconf defaults in the ubuntu-artwork package | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | didrocks, sure, i will | 21:40 |
| didrocks | thanks kenvandine :) | 21:40 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, i'm not too sure how that's meant to work | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | in fact, i assign the bug to him :) | 21:40 |
| didrocks | good evening! | 22:18 |
| LaserJock | hi didrocks | 22:25 |
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