[08:01] <huats> morning
[13:12] <aday> mgunes, andreasn: hey, meeting time?
[13:13] <godbyk> aday: I assume so. Though it appears that our fearless leader is absent.
[13:14] <aday> godbyk: it would seem so
[13:14] <aday> wers, vish: yo, you here?!
[13:14] <mgunes> and without him and an agenda we're destined for an aimless hour of chit-chat as usual :)
[13:15] <wers-android> I'm having dinner. hehe. wait
[13:15] <vish> yup for a few mins :)
[13:15] <mgunes> aday, your last blog post was a nice summary of design happenings in GNOME; it would be useful if you were to make it periodical, perhaps with some help from us and/or others.
[13:16] <aday> mgunes: that's what's happening. we're going to rotate each week
[13:16] <aday> hbons is supposed to be doing it this week
[13:17] <aday> there's tonnes of design work happening in gnome right now
[13:17] <mgunes> good to know.
[13:18] <aday> the report seems to have gone down well, anyway
[13:27] <aday> anything worth discussing now?
[13:27] <mgunes> aday, I take it that http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3/ is where the latest HIG-related things go on, correct?
[13:28] <aday> mgunes: that's right. bit quiet at the moment... i need more hours in the day
[13:28] <mgunes> I'm a bit puzzled as to what exactly "porting" an old HIG guideline involves. Could you expand on that a bit?
[13:29] <aday> mgunes: the new hig is a set of ui patterns, which have a template for
[13:29] <aday> porting means pulling out a ui pattern from the existing guidelines, structuring it around the template, and updating where necessary
[13:29] <wers-android> nice. i just thought. does kde have ui patterns?
[13:29] <wers-android> maybe, we can work together. just maybe
[13:30] <aday> some patterns are just sections from the current hig. some have to be pieced together from a few different places
[13:31] <aday> wers-android: there are some links here - http://live.gnome.org/User%20Interface%20Patterns . don't think kde use patterns as such
[13:31] <aday> we really need help with the new hig though - any assistance would be appreciated
[13:34] <wers> yep. that's very important
[13:34] <mgunes> aday, so right now it involves literally lifting existing pieces of the old guidelines and fitting them in the new template; whether the actual content is to change and to what extent is to be discussed and approved later
[13:35] <wers> aday, is this the latest http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/nightly/ ?
[13:36] <aday> mgunes: yes, that's some of it. there are going to be new patterns too of course
[13:36] <mgunes> right
[13:36] <aday> wers: i guess. don't think it's changed that much. i just use the stable version
[13:37] <aday> mpt wrote a new pattern on handling errors that's really good - http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3/HandlingErrors
[13:38] <wers> aday, I'm not familiar with the work required for the HIG other than the UI Patterns. is there more to it than what mgunes mentioned?
[13:39] <aday> wers: not really. it's pretty straightforward. we have the template, new patterns to write and existing ones to port and update
[13:39] <mgunes> and GtkBuilder files and sample source code to provide (which is particularly a strength of the new HIG)
[13:40] <aday> mgunes: in time, yes
[13:41] <mgunes> aday, I read mpt's pattern; it doesn't seem to conform to the template though
[13:42] <aday> mgunes: no :P
[13:42] <aday> mgunes: we're still playing with the format. we'll have to review at some point soon
[13:42] <aday> the template is a bit overcomplex imo
[13:45] <mgunes> aday, I assume most of the work goes on in #gnome-design, right?
[13:47] <aday> mgunes: indeed
[13:48] <mgunes> I'm hoping to set aside some time in the coming weeks for HIG work
[13:50] <aday> mgunes: that would be so awesome
[14:02] <thorwil> aday: one issue i see is that most there looks like guidelines, not patterns
[14:02] <aday> thorwil: in the HIG3 stuff? yeah, there's a bit of both
[14:03] <thorwil> a pattern should be more concrete and might include a selection and layout of widgets
[14:04] <aday> thorwil: where is that not happening?
[14:05] <thorwil> aday: the handling errors thing? sorry, real life interferes, bbl
[14:06] <mgunes> thorwil, I assume they will be closer to patterns once more of them have GtkBuilder examples and sample code
[14:07] <mgunes> I recall the first few ones Calum Benson worked on had both
[14:08] <aday> i agree about the handling errors page not being very pattern-like. maybe some of it could be disaggregated into other patterns? we still want the central message - that's useful, i think
[14:24] <thorwil> it would be fine to have both a more abstract guidelines part and a pattern library.
[17:35] <Jaikyee> hola, cuando hay reu de nosotros... un evento donde nos reunamos?
[17:36] <czajkowski> !es | Jaikyee
[17:37] <Jaikyee> aloooo
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[21:24] <czajkowski> !es | Tito__
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