=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-zzz [08:01] morning === gorilla is now known as Guest23360 === leoquant is now known as diebleierneZeit === Guest23360 is now known as gorilla === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:12] mgunes, andreasn: hey, meeting time? [13:13] aday: I assume so. Though it appears that our fearless leader is absent. [13:14] godbyk: it would seem so [13:14] wers, vish: yo, you here?! [13:14] and without him and an agenda we're destined for an aimless hour of chit-chat as usual :) [13:15] I'm having dinner. hehe. wait [13:15] yup for a few mins :) [13:15] aday, your last blog post was a nice summary of design happenings in GNOME; it would be useful if you were to make it periodical, perhaps with some help from us and/or others. [13:16] mgunes: that's what's happening. we're going to rotate each week [13:16] hbons is supposed to be doing it this week [13:17] there's tonnes of design work happening in gnome right now [13:17] good to know. [13:18] the report seems to have gone down well, anyway [13:27] anything worth discussing now? [13:27] aday, I take it that http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3/ is where the latest HIG-related things go on, correct? [13:28] mgunes: that's right. bit quiet at the moment... i need more hours in the day [13:28] I'm a bit puzzled as to what exactly "porting" an old HIG guideline involves. Could you expand on that a bit? [13:29] mgunes: the new hig is a set of ui patterns, which have a template for [13:29] porting means pulling out a ui pattern from the existing guidelines, structuring it around the template, and updating where necessary [13:29] nice. i just thought. does kde have ui patterns? [13:29] maybe, we can work together. just maybe [13:30] some patterns are just sections from the current hig. some have to be pieced together from a few different places [13:31] wers-android: there are some links here - http://live.gnome.org/User%20Interface%20Patterns . don't think kde use patterns as such [13:31] we really need help with the new hig though - any assistance would be appreciated [13:34] yep. that's very important [13:34] aday, so right now it involves literally lifting existing pieces of the old guidelines and fitting them in the new template; whether the actual content is to change and to what extent is to be discussed and approved later [13:35] aday, is this the latest http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/nightly/ ? [13:36] mgunes: yes, that's some of it. there are going to be new patterns too of course [13:36] right [13:36] wers: i guess. don't think it's changed that much. i just use the stable version [13:37] mpt wrote a new pattern on handling errors that's really good - http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG3/HandlingErrors [13:38] aday, I'm not familiar with the work required for the HIG other than the UI Patterns. is there more to it than what mgunes mentioned? [13:39] wers: not really. it's pretty straightforward. we have the template, new patterns to write and existing ones to port and update [13:39] and GtkBuilder files and sample source code to provide (which is particularly a strength of the new HIG) [13:40] mgunes: in time, yes [13:41] aday, I read mpt's pattern; it doesn't seem to conform to the template though [13:42] mgunes: no :P [13:42] mgunes: we're still playing with the format. we'll have to review at some point soon [13:42] the template is a bit overcomplex imo [13:45] aday, I assume most of the work goes on in #gnome-design, right? [13:47] mgunes: indeed [13:48] I'm hoping to set aside some time in the coming weeks for HIG work [13:50] mgunes: that would be so awesome [14:02] aday: one issue i see is that most there looks like guidelines, not patterns [14:02] thorwil: in the HIG3 stuff? yeah, there's a bit of both [14:03] a pattern should be more concrete and might include a selection and layout of widgets [14:04] thorwil: where is that not happening? [14:05] aday: the handling errors thing? sorry, real life interferes, bbl [14:06] thorwil, I assume they will be closer to patterns once more of them have GtkBuilder examples and sample code [14:07] I recall the first few ones Calum Benson worked on had both [14:08] i agree about the handling errors page not being very pattern-like. maybe some of it could be disaggregated into other patterns? we still want the central message - that's useful, i think [14:24] it would be fine to have both a more abstract guidelines part and a pattern library. === Ursinha-zzz is now known as Ursinha === robbiew is now known as robbew === robbew is now known as robbiew === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch === nixternal is now known as Guest42197 === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha [17:35] hola, cuando hay reu de nosotros... un evento donde nos reunamos? [17:36] !es | Jaikyee [17:36] Jaikyee: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [17:37] aloooo === xfaf is now known as zul === inetpro is now known as hibana === hibana is now known as inetpro === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === jarlen_ is now known as jarlen === inetpro is now known as sot === sot is now known as inetpro === ianmcorvidae|alt is now known as ianmcorvidae [21:23] Los invito a visitar mi blog donde publico tutoriales que pueden llegar a ser útiles la página es http://titoubuntu.blogspot.com/ [21:24] !es | Tito__ [21:24] Tito__: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [21:26] ok gracias === MichealH is now known as ^_^ === ^_^ is now known as MichealH === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit === drubin_ is now known as drubin === kees__ is now known as kees === marjo__ is now known as marjo