[00:39] <cjwatson> skaet: I think we are on the path to fixes for both the Kubuntu OOM and the USB infinite loop
[00:39] <cjwatson> it may be a slightly long night
[00:41] <Daviey> skaet, yo got mail; note it needs ack'ing by ttx .:)
[00:57] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: what is the issue with kubuntu?  I don't think it affects armel, as I am currently running it on a beagleXM.
[00:58] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: lots of plugininstall processes being spawned, using up all memory
[00:59] <cjwatson> I don't know why it would not affect armel
[00:59] <GrueMaster> We only run oem-install, not full ubiquity.
[01:01] <GrueMaster> I've had other issues with kubuntu, but oem-install seems to get through fine.  Nothing in the logs indicating oom messages.
[01:01] <GrueMaster> (and on a 256M system, they become noticable quickly).
[01:02] <cjwatson> oem-config probably isn't affected, since the tarot cards seem to indicate that it's mostly to do with two parallel debconffilters
[01:02] <cjwatson> which doesn't happen in oem-config
[01:02] <GrueMaster> Ok.  That makes me feel a little better.  I hate repining on armel if avoidable.
[01:03] <GrueMaster> btw:  the livecd fix for dove worked great.
[01:05] <cjwatson> cool
[01:45] <cjwatson> somebody available shortly for a ubiquity review?
[01:53] <cjwatson> (Riddell volunteered on #ubuntu-installer)
[01:57] <cjwatson> marjo: did you see my comment about your server installation problem?
[01:57] <cjwatson> 13:22 <cjwatson> marjo: regarding your server installation bug, I think it may be a recurrence of bug 227869.  Your /proc/cpuinfo may help to confirm.  If not that, then I guess it must be a kernel bug of some
[01:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 227869 in base-installer (Ubuntu) "Server installer should not use -server kernel for non-PAE CPU's (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/227869
[01:57] <cjwatson>                  kind
[01:59] <cjwatson> so, I think the right answer here is probably an alarm to wake me up in 1.5 hours or so to do the necessary respins
[02:07] <cjwatson> $ wait-for-package ubiquity_2.3.14 && { echo kubuntu; buildlive kubuntu && for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; echo ubuntu-netbook; buildlive ubuntu-netbook && for-project ubuntu-netbook cron.daily-live; echo kubuntu-mobile; buildlive kubuntu-mobile && for-project kubuntu-mobile cron.daily-live; echo kubuntu dvd; buildlive kubuntu-dvd && for-project kubuntu cron.dvd; }
[02:07] <cjwatson> no alarm needed after all, but perhaps somebody could post those to the tracker as they appear?
[03:25] <micahg> hi, I'm looking at bug 628558 which clearly needs an FFe, but I can't find an upstream changelog, we currently have v1.2 which is 2 yrs old and 2.4 was apparently released about 6 months ago, opinions?
[03:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628558 in calendarserver (Ubuntu) "RQ: update to calendarserver v2.4 from Debian (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628558
[03:25] <micahg> oh, the package is in universe and only has 1 rdepend
[04:34] <ScottK> micahg: Still needs FFe, but if you can fix that, then it won't be hard to get.
[04:35] <micahg> ScottK: I'm asking about the FFe :)
[04:36] <ScottK> micahg: You still need to fill it out as best you can.
[04:36] <ScottK> If it's totally broken to -> working to some degree that's good to know.
[04:38] <micahg> ScottK: quadrispro seems to know more about it, I'll ask him if he's interested in filing the FFe, thanks
[04:38] <ScottK> OK.
[05:00] <slangasek> kubuntu, ubuntu-netbook respins posted
[05:36] <slangasek> kubuntu-mobile failed to build (again)
[05:43] <persia> What broke there?  The log seems oddly truncated.
[05:51] <slangasek> no clue
[05:57] <ScottK> persia: I don't think we ever got it to build the livefs out of Universe, so it would fail.
[06:43] <persia> ScottK, I thought you committed that change.  I wonder why NCommander was able to build some images before.
[06:44] <persia> Anyway, probably not most critical at this time of today.
[06:44] <ScottK> persia: He built alternates as a test.
[06:44] <ScottK> AFAIK we've yet to have a live.
[06:44] <ScottK> Not sure.
[06:45] <persia> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/ is live, but not i386.  Old as well.
[06:45] <slangasek> kubuntu dvds posted
[06:45] <persia> Maybe he'll be able to see if he has time to check backscroll.
[06:46] <NCommander> persia: which change?
[06:47] <persia> NCommander, building kubuntu-mobile against universe.
[06:47] <persia> I know the metapackage can't do that, but I thought the livefs was built that way.
[06:47] <persia> (or I'd expect to see some depedencies-cannot-be-satisfied type of error).
[06:48] <persia> Images aren't building for mysterious reasons.
[06:48] <NCommander> persia: images should just build if livecd-rootfs is correct.
[06:49] <persia> That's what I thought, but my limits for livecd-rootfs are "it worked for my locally", which aren't necessarily a good match for what is happening.
[07:20] <ttx> Morn
[07:21]  * ttx looks at proposed releasenote text from Daviey
[07:33] <Daviey> ttx, is it ok?
[07:33] <ttx> I'm editing it
[07:33] <ttx> Daviey: as a general rule of thumb, only significant bugs are mentioned. Otherwise this document would be quite long
[07:34] <ttx> + bugs that are significant tyo people upgrading (starting from beta)
[07:35] <Daviey> ttx, ack
[07:35] <ttx> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview?action=diff&rev2=71&rev1=70
[07:36] <ttx> I dropped the two harmless ones
[07:41] <ttx> Daviey: you didn't mention bug 628055 ?
[07:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628055 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "Instances don't go to "running" state: Security Labeling error running aa_change_profile() (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628055
[07:47] <Daviey> ttx, Yeah.. perhaps i should have
[07:48] <Daviey> ttx, it seems inda abstract, and not exactly confirmed
[07:48] <ttx> Daviey: not sure, since we couldn't reproduce it
[07:48] <ttx> Daviey: ack
[08:03] <ara> morning all!
[08:04] <ara> Riddell, is Kubuntu going to be respin? (has been?)
[08:04] <Riddell> ara: has been
[08:04] <ara> Riddell, but it is not the one in the tracker, is it?
[08:05] <Riddell> yes, 20100902
[08:05] <ara> Riddell, good, thanks!
[08:05]  * ara resyncs
[08:07] <Riddell> although I don't think cjwatson's mega rebuild command included kubuntu alternate and we probably do want to respin those for bug 627549
[08:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 627549 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "ubiquity crashed in kubuntu oem mode (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627549
[08:11] <didrocks> netbook ubiquity is still crashing for me if I select Specify partitions manually (advanced). No trace in the command line. Can somebody confirms?
[08:11] <didrocks> (20100902)
[08:12] <Riddell> check /var/log/installer/debug and /var/log/syslog for output
[08:15] <didrocks> thanks Riddell, apparently a protection error…
[08:15] <Riddell> ah, one of them
[08:16] <didrocks> ara: can you add "Install (manual partitioning)" to the netbook testcase? or should I file it under " Install (entire disk)" and specify the issue?
[08:16]  * didrocks tries ubuntu desktop to see if I can reproduce there too
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, we cannot add testcases on the fly, it is a decision made by the release team
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, you can put it someplace else and specify the issue in the comments, i.e.
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, if you can try it with ubuntu desktop that would be great
[08:17] <didrocks> ara: ok, so, if I can't reproduce in the desktop CD, I'll do that
[08:17] <didrocks> sure
[08:17] <ara> didrocks, thanks!
[08:18] <didrocks> yw ;)
[08:33] <ev> didrocks: I just started a manual partitioning install with Kubuntu desktop without issue.  Do let me know if you can reproduce that crash.
[08:38] <ev> oh, damn
[08:40] <ev> kubuntu desktop is broken.  The fix we came up with last night has a corner case.
[08:40] <Riddell> ev: oh?
[08:40] <Riddell> I already did a successful install on a virtual machine
[08:41] <ev> manual partitioning triggered it for me, but I suspect it might be a timing thing
[08:41] <ara> :-(
[08:41] <ev> investigating now
[08:41] <Riddell> I'm doing manual partitioning on a machine here, going ok so far
[08:42] <ara> ev, if we can identify the root cause and it is a very special case, we might release note it
[08:42] <ev> sure
[08:52] <ara> ev, if the USB disk error is not fixed for Ubuntu desktop, I think we might release note it. What do you think? A lot of people installs with a USB key, not only netbook
[08:53] <ev> well, it's fixed, just not in any spinned CD
[08:53] <ev> but yes, I think it's most certainly worthy of a release note
[08:53] <ara> ev, does not the netbook edition include the fix?
[08:54] <ev> it does
[08:54] <ara> that's what I thought
[08:54] <ev> sorry, I misspoke
[08:55] <didrocks> ev: no issue on the desktop CD for me, it's only the netbook one (under the live session), trying in the installer mode now
[08:56] <didrocks> ev: FYI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/487118/
[09:04] <Riddell> kubuntu manual partitioning with oem is good here
[09:04] <cjwatson> we *could* respin Ubuntu desktop, but it seems to me that there are more than enough respins going on
[09:04] <cjwatson> I'll do it if QA says to
[09:05] <cjwatson> Riddell: you want a Kubuntu alt respin then?
[09:05] <didrocks> ok, manual partition seems to fail only under the unity live, not in the installer mode
[09:05]  * didrocks reboots once again to confirm
[09:06] <Riddell> cjwatson: not yet but now I confirmed OEM works I'd like to
[09:06] <Riddell> or you can
[09:06] <cjwatson> on its way
[09:06] <Riddell> thanks
[09:10] <didrocks> ok, I'm filing the bug for crash in manual partitionning under unity under the " Install (entire disk)" as there is nothing for it in iso.qa.ubuntu.com and I can't reproduce it in the desktop CD
[09:10] <ara> didrocks, OK, please file the bug and upload the logs to it
[09:18] <didrocks> ok, filed, in fact, every option is crashing under unity
[09:18] <didrocks> (wasn't the case last alpha)
[09:24] <cjwatson> Kubuntu alternate posted
[09:25] <ara> Riddell, I have installed Kubuntu OEM in a Netbook, and when finished, I get the Kubuntu Netbook interface (expected), but I don't get the "prepare for end user icon"
[09:26] <Riddell> ara: yes me too, I was premature in my ticking the success box
[09:26] <Riddell> ara: did you have internet access while installing?
[09:26] <ara> Riddell, no, I didn't
[09:26] <Riddell> ara: do you have oem-config-kde installed?
[09:26]  * ara checks
[09:29] <cjwatson> Riddell: I've created https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu, but it still needs work that I can't really do as a non-Kubuntu-user (and I don't know what to replace 'update-notifier-kde -u' with since I see that's now in universe and there's a new notification helper).  Could you (have somebody) look over it, please?
[09:29] <ara> Riddell, no, it does not have it
[09:30] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes, that's on my todo list for this morning, thanks for starting
[09:30] <Riddell> ara: checking if having internet during install helps, although there's no reason why it should really
[09:30] <Riddell> ara: please file a bug with logs et al
[09:31] <ara> Riddell, will do
[09:34] <ara> Riddell, bug against? ubiquity?
[09:35] <Riddell> yes
[09:36] <cjwatson> didrocks: hm, so not obviously a ubiquity problem since the crash is in libglib
[09:36] <cjwatson> didrocks: can you repeat, but with 'debug-ubiquity' on the kernel command line (or starting ubiquity with the -d option)?
[09:36] <didrocks> cjwatson: yeah, I'm quite puzzled, I have also pinged unity guys
[09:36] <didrocks> sure
[09:36] <cjwatson> didrocks: that should give you more useful /var/log/installer/debug
[09:37] <didrocks> doing now
[09:37] <seb128> didrocks, hum, crash in glib, do you have bug?
[09:37] <cjwatson> damn, I should sort out image pre-publishing shouldn't I
[09:37] <seb128> or a stacktrace
[09:37] <cjwatson> seb128: bug 628672
[09:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628672 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Crash of ubiquity under unity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628672
[09:37] <cjwatson> no stacktrace in evidence
[09:37] <didrocks> the protection error make it think that something under mutter is interfering…
[09:38] <seb128> didrocks, what protection error?
[09:38] <cjwatson> that's just kernel-speak for SIGSEGV
[09:38] <seb128> it seems just a crash
[09:39] <seb128> weird that apport didn't catch it
[09:39] <didrocks> ok, I mispoke, sorry
[09:41] <seb128> didrocks, do you get the issue every time?
[09:42] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, everytime and only under the unity session
[09:42] <didrocks> no in the installer mode, not in the desktop live session
[09:42] <seb128> ok, then get a stacktrace
[09:42] <seb128> install libglib2.0-0-dbg
[09:43] <seb128> run ubiquity and attach gdb to the process which crashes
[09:43] <seb128> then get the crash
[09:43] <seb128> I'm not sure why apport doesn't catch it...
[09:43] <ara> Riddell, bug 628681
[09:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628681
[09:44] <cjwatson> Sep  2 08:07:09 ubuntu ubiquity: #015Err cdrom://Kubuntu 10.10 _Maverick Meerkat_ - Beta i386 (20100902)/ maverick/main oem-config-kde all 2.3.14
[09:44] <cjwatson> Sep  2 08:07:09 ubuntu ubiquity: #015  Unable to unmount the CD-ROM in /cdrom/, it may still be in use.
[09:44] <cjwatson> sigh
[09:45] <didrocks> ubiquity log before: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54764926/ubiquity_debug.log
[09:45] <didrocks> getting the stacktrace now
[09:45] <cjwatson> hello, apt, why are you even trying to unmount
[09:47] <cjwatson> freaky.  install_extras should be well before cleanup so all the stuff that tells apt not to do that should still be in place
[09:47] <cjwatson> guess I'll rsync and have a look
[09:47] <cjwatson> not sure we'll have time to fix that for beta though
[09:48] <Riddell> it's not too important for beta, people can install oem-config-kde, I've also done a successful oem install on my desktop so it doesn't happen every time
[09:49] <ara> Riddell, can you add it to known bugs under TechnicalOverview, then?
[09:49] <ev> cjwatson: perhaps the install/plugininstall split broke that somehow
[09:50] <cjwatson> I was thinking that, but they're both in plugininstall
[09:50] <ev> well, install_misc, but yeah
[09:50] <ev> hm
[09:53] <cjwatson> Riddell: just want to check: in lucid, we put kubuntu-netbook on releases.u.c.  Am I right in believing that (a) kubuntu-netbook has been replaced by kubuntu-mobile for i386 (b) the latter doesn't build right now?
[09:54] <didrocks> libappmenu :/
[09:54] <didrocks> seb128: what's the environment variable to export already to disable it?
[09:54] <seb128> didrocks, unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY
[09:54] <didrocks> emptying UBUNTU_MENUPROXY?
[09:55] <didrocks> ok
[09:55] <didrocks> trying that to confirm
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks, I bet it's the same crash that the gnome-display-properties one
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks, is that i386?
[09:55] <cjwatson> and can a UNE person remind me which arm images are being released?
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks, I can scp my update deb if you want to test
[09:55] <didrocks> seb128: yes, i386
[09:55] <didrocks> seb128: sure, please :)
[09:55] <seb128> the one with the crash fix backport
[09:55] <seb128> ok
[09:56] <didrocks> ogra: see cjwatson's request? ^
[09:56] <cjwatson> starting prepublication of the images we have now, anyway
[09:56] <cjwatson> since that's late
[09:56] <cjwatson> Checksumming simple tree (pool) ...
[09:56] <cjwatson> stat: cannot stat `kubuntu/maverick/kubuntu-10.10-alpha2-alternate-amd64.iso': No such file or directory
[09:56] <mvo> hm, is it ok to upload into the queue for stuff that is trivial? or will that cause work for someone who reviews the queue? I guess its ok, but I want to double check
[09:56] <cjwatson> WTF
[09:56] <cjwatson> mvo: it's ok
[09:57] <mvo> thanks
[09:57] <seb128> mvo, it's ok to upload for anything I think if you see the queue
[09:57] <seb128> mvo, it's just that you better ping if you want things reviewed ;-)
[09:57] <mvo> seb128: haha - ok :)
[09:57] <seb128> didrocks, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/appmenu-gtk_0.1.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[09:57] <mvo> so unfreezing will meld the icecaps :)
[09:57] <didrocks> seb128: thanks, trying
[09:58] <cjwatson> ok, some kind of cruft left over from alpha-2 I guess
[09:59]  * cjwatson cleans up
[10:00] <cjwatson> skaet: have fixed up publish-image-set.py in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools ('bzr up' to see) and am running through stuff in './publish-image-set --prepublish'.  It doesn't have the right bits for ARM yet, but that's OK, prepublication is idempotent
[10:00] <mvo> seb128: thanks, nothing beta-critical, just a a bunch of fixes
[10:01] <didrocks> seb128: cjwatson: the appmenu update fixing it
[10:02] <seb128> I guess that's worth respinning UNE images?
[10:02] <cjwatson> sounds like it
[10:03] <didrocks> updating the bug
[10:03] <seb128> cjwatson, if we respin can we fix bug #623953 as well?
[10:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 623953 in unity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "new tiles are unresponsive (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623953
[10:03] <seb128> cjwatson, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/unity.fix-unreactive-tiles/+merge/34293 is the diff
[10:03] <seb128> cjwatson, the unity launcher is pretty useless otherwise, icons don't react to clicks
[10:03] <cjwatson> is it uploaded?
[10:03] <seb128> or do you just want appmenu-gtk updates?
[10:04] <seb128> no but I've both locally
[10:04] <seb128> ie I can upload in the next 10 minutes
[10:04] <cjwatson> appmenu not uploaded either?
[10:04] <seb128> no
[10:04] <seb128> I was waiting on didrocks confirmation
[10:04] <cjwatson> please upload both ASAP, then
[10:04] <seb128> ok
[10:04] <seb128> didrocks, ^ doing those
[10:04] <didrocks> seb128: thanks!
[10:09] <cjwatson> elmo: pre-publishing to releases, please let me know if it ENOSPCes
[10:10] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, appmenu-gtk uploaded
[10:10] <seb128> cjwatson, let's play safe and not do the unity change, it's not an important issue for the install and we will get the update after beta
[10:11] <cjwatson> ok
[10:11] <seb128> default launchers icons are working that's enough to test unity
[10:11] <cjwatson> fine, your call
[10:11] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[10:12] <didrocks> cjwatson: seb128: ok, will do the change in unity with today's release in any case, after beta freeze. Thanks :)
[10:12] <cjwatson> appmenu-gtk accepted
[10:12] <seb128> thanks
[10:12] <cjwatson> should have a new ubiquity this publisher run as well
[10:15] <ogra> cjwatson, omap3 and 4 shoudl be released, i cant tell about dove, thats fully un NCommander's hands
[10:15] <ogra> s/un/in/
[10:27] <NCommander> cjwatson: dove is about as good as its going to get. ubiquity crashes when you attempt to install, and the icon fails to show up in the launcher
[10:27] <ogra> NCommander, do you actually want to release in that state ?
[10:28] <ogra> doesnt really sound like it makes sense if you cant install at all
[10:29] <cjwatson> so, just to clarify, this corresponds to the ISO tracker entries "Ubuntu ARM Preinstalled omap3", "Ubuntu ARM Preinstalled omap4", and possibly "Ubuntu Netbook armel+dove".  What about "Kubuntu Netbook Arm (omap)"?
[10:29]  * cjwatson curses the inconsistent naming
[10:30] <Riddell> kubuntu netbook arm should now be just kubuntu arm and is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100901/
[10:30]  * ogra didnt make up the kubuntu names, i dont think the kubuntu installs worked 
[10:30] <Riddell> GrueMaster can confirm
[10:30] <Riddell> he says they work fine, if slow
[10:30] <ogra> hmm, i saw several bugs of ubiquity not working i think
[10:30] <cjwatson> doesn't need additional confirmation I think, just checking
[10:30]  * ogra checks again
[10:30] <cjwatson> ogra: he was saying last night that it was fine
[10:31] <ogra> ok, then release it too
[10:32]  * cjwatson tries to work out how to encode all this in publish-image-set.py
[10:32] <ogra> oh, i see, bug 628581 ... it worked but produced a crash file which resulted in the bug i saw passing by during triage
[10:32] <ubot4> ogra: Bug 628581 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/628581 is private
[10:33] <Riddell> we should also have kubuntu-mobile images for i386 and arm but seems something is up with the Publishing part of the script http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/kubuntu-mobile/maverick/daily-live-20100902.log
[10:33] <cjwatson> Riddell: "Kubuntu ARM" would be painful to deal with.  Shouldn't there be a "desktop" or "mobile" or something in there?
[10:33] <cjwatson> it's "Kubuntu Desktop i386" after all not "Kubuntu i386"
[10:33] <cjwatson> publish-image-set.py has started to try to parse this so regularity would help
[10:34]  * ogra agrees it should be K"ubuntu Desktop arm" and "Kubuntu Netbook arm"
[10:34] <cjwatson> the image is "maverick-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz"
[10:34] <ogra> oops, wrong quotes
[10:34] <Riddell> there is no Kubuntu netbook, netbook and desktop are the same image now
[10:34] <cjwatson> then just "Desktop"
[10:35] <ogra> Riddell, hmm ? whats the kubuntu-mobile image then ?
[10:35] <Riddell> ogra: that's mobile, mobile is different from netbook
[10:35] <cjwatson> best if it corresponds to the filename
[10:35] <ogra> Riddell, ok
[10:35]  * ogra admits he has no clue about kubuntu images at all beyond knowing that it takes minutes to move the cursor if they boot 
[10:38] <NCommander> cjwatson: The images boot, but we have a regression in ubiquity (probably been there for awhile, but since we didn't use ubiquity on ARM until recently this cycle ...) that prevent installation
[10:38] <NCommander> cjwatson: I'm on the fence if we should release them, though a part of me is leaning towards no
[10:40] <ogra> just to clearify ... you are talking about dove :) (omap3/4 is all fine)
[10:41] <NCommander> indeed
[10:42]  * cjwatson gives up on trying to encapsulate all this in a single regex
[10:50] <seb128> re, system crash again on user switching
[10:50] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, got dx to confirm the unity change has been reviewed and I uploaded
[10:50] <seb128> cjwatson, up to you to accept it or not
[10:50] <seb128> we don't need it on the beta image, it's just a would be nice to have
[10:51] <seb128> you can also accept it after the image build if you want so it's available for upgrades after beta
[10:59] <cjwatson> at this point it would delay things by an extra hour
[10:59] <cjwatson> so I'd prefer not, sorry
[11:00] <seb128> ok, no worry
[11:00] <seb128> as said it's not a blocker for the install in any way
[11:00] <seb128> maybe accept it when images are built
[11:00] <seb128> so people can get upgrade after install
[11:01] <cjwatson> well, actually, I need to put the publisher on manual anyway
[11:02] <cjwatson> accepting for beta
[11:04] <seb128> thanks!
[11:04] <seb128> sorry for being late I wanted to confirm with somebody from the unity team before uploading it
[11:04] <seb128> then my box crashed again on user switching
[11:22] <ara> cjwatson, ubiquity is crashing for me for netbook, how can I tell if it is the same issue didrocks was having?
[11:22] <cjwatson> ara: can you show us syslog?
[11:22] <didrocks> ara: i386?
[11:22] <cjwatson> ogra: is there documentation somewhere that cdimage could link to on how to use preinstalled images?
[11:22] <ara> yes, i386
[11:22] <seb128> ara, try unset UBUNTU_MENUPROXY
[11:22] <seb128> ara, then run ubiquity
[11:23] <ara> seb128, ok
[11:23] <seb128> ara, ok get the appmenu-gtk update on launchpad
[11:23] <didrocks> or install http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/appmenu-gtk_0.1.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb :)
[11:23] <seb128> test the official one rather
[11:23] <didrocks> already published?
[11:23] <ogra> cjwatson, hmm, http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/PreinstalledImage#Beagleboard%20ARM%20Image%20Testing shoul i put that on the official wiki ?
[11:23] <seb128> ara, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appmenu-gtk/0.1.7-0ubuntu2/+build/1943471/+files/appmenu-gtk_0.1.7-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:23] <ogra> *should
[11:24] <seb128> ara, you can just install that and run ubiquity again
[11:24] <seb128> ara, if you want to try the fix rather than the workaround
[11:24] <ara> seb128, OK, will try
[11:24] <seb128> ara, could be better so you confirm the fix works
[11:24] <seb128> ara, thanks!
[11:25] <cjwatson> publisher running, all but armel created
[11:25] <cjwatson> ogra: yes please, perhaps minus verification stuff
[11:30] <ara> cjwatson, seb128, didrocks: the fix worked
[11:31] <seb128> great
[11:31] <didrocks> ok, same bug so, great :)
[11:31] <seb128> ara, thanks for confirming
[11:31] <ara> seb128, np :)
[11:33] <Riddell> cjwatson: do you know what needs fixed to get kubuntu-mobile images published?
[11:34] <cjwatson> probably
[11:34] <cjwatson> working on preinstalled-* right now though
[11:34] <cjwatson> which path on cdimage exactly?
[11:35] <ogra> cjwatson, i made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP as a master page which will link the instructions per release
[11:36] <ogra> cjwatson, we used to have http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/ for alpha
[11:37] <cjwatson> ogra: I was talking to Riddell ...
[11:37] <cjwatson> kubuntu-mobile isn't in ubuntu-netbook :)
[11:37] <cjwatson> thanks for the URL, I'll use that
[11:38] <ogra> heh, k
[11:40] <cjwatson> Riddell: I have a rather experimental set of changes which should do it.  maybe
[11:40] <Riddell> cjwatson: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/daily-live/20100902/
[11:40] <cjwatson> oh, you mean publishing the dailies.  hmm
[11:41] <cjwatson> I thought kubuntu-mobile was using a preinstalled form factor - is that wrong?
[11:41] <Riddell> on ARM it is, not for i386 as far as I know
[11:41] <Riddell> ScottK: ^^
[11:41] <cjwatson> ok
[11:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: can I have short and long descriptions for a mobile image, analogous to desktop -> "desktop CD" and "The desktop CD allows you to try Kubuntu without changing your computer at all ..." from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ?
[11:45] <Riddell> "Preview Mobile Image" and "The Mobile Image offers a preview of the Plasma Mobile workspace to try or install"
[11:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: published.  do you need the size limit bumped?  it says it's oversized right now
[11:50] <cjwatson> -rw-rw-r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 838125568 Sep  2 05:22 maverick-mobile-i386.iso
[11:51] <cjwatson>                 ubuntu-mid|kubuntu-netbook|ubuntu-moblin-remix)
[11:51] <cjwatson>                         # Mobile images are designed for USB drives;
[11:51] <cjwatson>                         # arbitrarily pick 1GB as a limit.
[11:51] <cjwatson>                         SIZELIMIT="$((1024 * 1024 * 1024))"
[11:51] <cjwatson>                         ;;
[11:51] <cjwatson> maybe if I just use that?
[11:51] <Riddell> that's fine
[11:56] <cjwatson> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/daily-live/20100902/ look ok now?
[11:57] <cjwatson> hm, why does that say CD
[11:57] <cjwatson> oh, because it is a CD image.  Do you want it to say image instead?
[12:00] <Riddell> preferably
[12:02] <cjwatson> done
[12:05] <Riddell> lovely, thanks
[12:18] <cjwatson> respinning netbook
[12:18] <cjwatson> will do kubuntu straight afterwards
[12:19] <ScottK> Riddell: That's correct.  We're using preinstalled only on armel.
[12:21] <Riddell> jr
[12:21] <Riddell> no, this isn't KDM
[12:32] <ara> cjwatson, Ubuntu Studio remains untested. I have sent an email to their -devel mailing list asking for testing. But I think that, if they don't do their job, it would be better not to release Ubuntu Studio Beta
[12:32] <cjwatson> agreed
[12:32] <cjwatson> skaet: ^- FYI
[12:33] <cjwatson> ScottL: ^-
[12:33] <ScottK> They also have a meta upload pending.
[12:33] <cjwatson> I'd much prefer to release everything if it's possible though
[12:34] <cjwatson> pending but not actually in the queue yet, right?
[12:35] <ScottK> It's in the queue.
[12:36] <ara> cjwatson, skaet: this is the email I sent to their list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-September/002536.html
[12:41]  * ara -> lunch
[12:42] <cjwatson> ScottK: huh, I wonder what's up with queuediff
[12:43] <cjwatson> oh, blah, I bet its scraper doesn't handle batching
[12:43] <ScottK> Not sure. Now that LP presents the diff in the queue page, I just look at it (I have to accept from there anyway)
[12:44] <cjwatson> ScottL: it would probably have been clearer to remove ia64 and sparc from update.cfg first, but I've accepted ubuntustudio-meta anyway
[12:45]  * cjwatson prepublishes ubuntu preinstalled-netbook armel+omap/armel+omap4
[12:46] <cjwatson> having hacked the scripts so that's possible
[12:46] <ScottK> prepublishing preinstalled images before 8AM local makes my head hurt.
[12:47] <cjwatson> kubuntu desktop respinning
[12:48] <cjwatson> ubuntu netbook i386 reposted
[12:49] <cjwatson> skaet: we'll need to release-note wubi upgrades as non-functional for beta (again :-( )
[12:54] <ev> cjwatson: oh?
[12:54] <cjwatson> *upgrades* - lupin needs the corresponding fix that we applied to wubi
[12:54] <ev> ahh
[12:54] <ev> scared me for a minute there :)
[12:54] <cjwatson> it's in the queue, though I bet there will be other problems, grub2 needs some packaging changes to spot that you're using wubi and not horrifically confuse people
[13:04] <ScottL> cjwatson,  testing - ackd, ubuntustudio-meta - thank you
[13:10] <cjwatson> ScottL: do you want a rebuild for that ubuntustudio-meta?
[13:10] <cjwatson> I'm guessing it might help
[13:12] <cjwatson> it only takes about 15 minutes to run
[13:16] <smoser> cjwatson, what time are you expecting/hoping to release?
[13:17] <ttx> cjwatson: you still need smoser around to nudge the cloud images stuff, right ?
[13:17] <smoser> I've got to be out for a couple hours (~13:00 UTC to 15:00 UTC).  The uec images are all ready to go.
[13:17] <ScottL> cjwatson, yes, that would be appreciated
[13:18] <cjwatson> kubuntu desktop reposted
[13:18] <smoser> in my absense, someone else *could* do that, a single command on nectarine (promote-daily beta /srv/ec2-images/server/maverick/20100831/  --verbose --allow-existing)
[13:19] <smoser> and the ami pages data is available at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/ami-pages/files, but someone has to update the pages on amazon.
[13:19] <smoser> so, i expect i'll be back before you'd need me, but if not, you can grab my cell phone.
[13:20] <Riddell> cjwatson: are kubuntu dvds getting respun?
[13:21] <cjwatson> yes, queued
[13:21] <cjwatson> since they had no tests and known bugs
[13:21] <ttx> cjwatson: can we handle smoser's absence in the next two hours ?
[13:22] <smoser> 2.5
[13:22] <cjwatson> gosh, I have nectarine access
[13:22] <cjwatson> ttx: I don't expect to release until my evening at this point
[13:22] <ttx> cjwatson: ack
[13:22] <cjwatson> I can do the nectarine bit, apparently, but I think it would be best if I didn't try to do the amazon stuff
[13:23] <ttx> the amazon stuff can be delayed a bit anyway
[13:23] <ttx> it's more about updating some references, the AMIs are already usable
[13:24] <cjwatson> anyway, I don't expect those times for smoser's absence to be a problem
[13:25] <cjwatson> I'm not entirely happy about leaving bug 627672 open in Ubuntu desktop, but I think if I respin that as well then we won't make it today
[13:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 627672 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[Maverick Beta] install from USB stuck retrieving files 2/6 Hp Mini (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627672
[13:27] <ScottK> slangasek: The KDM plymouth thing is allegedly fixed.  I'm updating the kdebase-workspace 4.5.1 that'll go in after freeze with an improved patch.
[13:28] <ScottK> cjwatson: Once we're ~confident we won't be doing any more respins, I'd like to get some of the KDE 4.5.1 packages in and building (just the core ones, the leaf ones will wait just fine) so that when we unfreeze it all builds pretty cleanly.
[13:33] <cjwatson> whoops, might be a plan to turn the publisher back on
[13:33] <cjwatson> ScottK: ok, will be a while yet
[13:34] <ScottK> cjwatson: Sure, just wanted to get my place in line.
[13:40] <cjwatson> skaet: updated wubi notes in tech overview
[13:47] <cjwatson> ScottL: ubuntustudio reposted
[14:03] <cjwatson> hm, wait, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest indicates that the omap preinstalled images will go on cdimage not releases, so I should un-prepublish those
[14:05] <cjwatson> last time, imx51 and dove went on releases, and omap on cdimage
[14:06] <cjwatson> but David edited the omap line so I guess it's OK by him
[14:07] <cjwatson> robbiew: your first version of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest was missing imx51 and dove, compared with LucidLynx/ReleaseManifest.  Was this intentional?  What should we do with the existing dove image, if it turns out to be OK to release?
[14:08] <cjwatson> Riddell: should I be posting kubuntu mobile to the tracker?
[14:09] <Riddell> cjwatson: I don't think you can, it doesn't have the appropriate bits as far as I know
[14:10] <cjwatson> Riddell: also, I am hopelessly confused about the fact that we have kubuntu-mobile/daily-live/current/maverick-mobile-i386.iso but kubuntu-mobile/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/maverick-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap.img.gz
[14:10] <cjwatson> why is the first mobile and the second desktop?
[14:10] <cjwatson> Riddell: I can add products, I believe
[14:10] <Riddell> that won't be deliberate, probably something missing in the scripts
[14:10] <Riddell> cjwatson: oh if you can add Kubuntu Mobile that would be great
[14:10] <cjwatson> though I don't know how the download stuff works
[14:11] <cjwatson> would you mind if I rearranged the arm stuff then, to be mobile?
[14:11] <cjwatson> the inconsistency is a bit of a pain
[14:11] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes please do fix the name on that armel image
[14:12] <cjwatson> I've added a product for Kubuntu Mobile i386 but I don't know how to set up a download URL for it
[14:12] <ogra> cjwatson, yeah, cdimage is fine
[14:15] <cjwatson> ok
[14:15] <cjwatson> ogra: can you edit MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest accordingly?
[14:16] <ogra> what should i edit there ? it already says cdimage, no ?
[14:17] <cjwatson> ogra: not for dove?
[14:17] <cjwatson> oh, you were talking about omap
[14:17] <ogra> oh, for dove i dont really know :/
[14:17] <cjwatson> sorry, misread context of your reply
[14:17] <cjwatson> no edit needed on your part then
[14:17] <ogra> well, i could have been clearer (as always)
[14:18] <ogra> but dove is surely not in a quality to go on releases atm
[14:18] <ogra> so leave it on cdimage
[14:18] <ogra> uless davidm (who is ill) will say differently for final i guess it will stay there, i'll ask him to add the right stuff to the wiki if he's around again
[14:19] <ogra> *unless
[14:21] <cjwatson> ok
[14:28] <cjwatson> Riddell: done I think, will respin after Kubuntu DVD
[14:29] <cjwatson> I think we're nearly there
[14:39] <Riddell> cjwatson: are you able to edit the tests in iso testing too?
[14:41] <Riddell> skaet, cjwatson: I need to go out in about 2.5 hours, if the release happens when I'm away ScottK can give the OK for the Kubuntu images
[14:42]  * ScottK waves
[14:45] <ttx> ara: you marked http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4442/454 started, are you still on those ?
[14:46] <cjwatson> Riddell: to some extent but I probably ought not to try at this point
[14:46] <cjwatson> Kubuntu DVD reposted
[14:48] <cjwatson> Kubuntu Mobile i386 posted, but I don't know how to add testcases for it and will ask #ubuntu-testing for help
[15:03] <robbiew> cjwatson: yeah...ogra would know better than me about the imx51 and dove images...did we release those for alpha3?
[15:04] <ogra> robbiew, imx51 doesnt exist ... and i'm not involved with dove, but i think we found a solution already anyway
[15:04] <robbiew> okay
[15:12] <scott-work> cjwatson: i realize you are most likely extremely busy but i was wondering if you could take a minute or two and clarify a few points to me about the Beta release (or point me to one who is available)?
[15:13] <cjwatson> scott-work: go ahead and ask, and I can answer when feasible
[15:15] <scott-work> cjwatson:  my ignorance is slightly embarassing but i think i'm confused or ignorant about the beta iso image testing
[15:15] <scott-work> cjwatson: the beta image was available two days ago (i believe) but it appears that we need to test by the end of today so that it can be "released"
[15:17] <ara> scott-work, when we get to beta freeze, we start publishing candidate images in the tracker
[15:17] <cjwatson> well, the actual release goes out today, and normally images are available a day or two (ideally two) before for testing; sometimes we need to respin them due to bugs though
[15:18] <cjwatson> it can be hard work getting everything in on time; if it's not feasible, it's possible to slip individual flavours
[15:18] <ara> scott-work, so, in order to make sure that those are usable, people test them and report back to the ISO tracker
[15:18] <cjwatson> (though not ideal)
[15:20] <scott-work> ara:  i presumed that the ISO tracker test needed to be completed before the next ISO image was to be released in order to secure the next release, i.e. A1 -> A2, etc
[15:20] <cjwatson> the ISO tracker is a tool to help us validate any given milestone release
[15:20] <scott-work> ara:  this would result in almost a full month to complete the ISO tests for each image
[15:21] <ara> scott-work, a full month?
[15:21] <cjwatson> um
[15:21] <cjwatson> there is clearly some confusion, how do you get to that?
[15:21] <cjwatson> oh, I think I see your confuion
[15:22] <scott-work> cjwatson: oh good, i was having trouble articulating it
[15:22] <cjwatson> it isn't worth starting testing until the development and bug-fixing for a given milestone is more or less complete
[15:22] <cjwatson> there's no point starting to test the beta images at alpha 3, because many of the uploads that will go into the beta images aren't there yet
[15:22] <cjwatson> the point of the ISO testing is to validate that the images we're releasing to users actually work
[15:23] <scott-work> cjwatson: that last sentence is the key
[15:23] <cjwatson> obviously there is a use for continuous testing as we go along, but that isn't the purpose of iso.qa
[15:23] <scott-work> we need to test image rather than the "release", that 's what qa test are for
[15:23] <scott-work> yes
[15:23] <cjwatson> (so "it isn't worth starting testing" is a bit exaggerated, sorry)
[15:25] <scott-work> so at each milestone (alpha1, alpha2, et al) we will have one or two days to validate the ISO images before it will be released for further testing by users/developers ?
[15:25] <ara> scott-work, that's it
[15:26] <ScottK> scott-work: Hopefully 3, but it never seems to work out that way.
[15:26] <scott-work> that was my confusion; not fully understanding the purpose of iso.qa and the time allotted to testing of the image
[15:27] <scott-work> thank you very much, as studio lead i will be much more diligent with ISO testing in the ffuture
[15:28] <ScottK> OK. Get to work ....
[15:29] <robbiew> ScottK cracks the whip :)
[15:29] <scott-work> lol, i'm actually at work now ;) and sending email the list and on irc at the same time
[15:35] <cjwatson> better to get this sorted out for beta than for final
[16:19] <ara> cjwatson, during OEM netbook I got the bug of not installing oem-config
[16:19] <ara> cjwatson, I have checked the log and have seen that it is the same error as bug 628681
[16:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628681
[16:20] <ara> cjwatson, do you agree to point to that one (changing the title to cover all of them)
[16:20] <ara> cjwatson, or do you prefer a new bug
[16:20] <ara> ?
[16:23] <cjwatson> let's make it a new bug please
[16:23] <ara> sure
[16:24] <ara> will do
[16:24] <cjwatson> just in case it's the same kind of thing in a couple of places
[16:24] <ara> OK
[16:24] <ScottK> ara: Looking at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4522 I don't see a test case for the "guided" option.
[16:26] <cjwatson> ara: was bug 628681 an install from USB?
[16:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628681
[16:27] <cjwatson> it looks like it from the logs but you didn't mention it, so checking
[16:27] <ara> cjwatson, yes, it was USB
[16:27] <ara> cjwatson, I will comment it in the bug
[16:30] <SpamapS> anybody care to comment on bug 625882 .. ABI breakage in libdbi .. new upstream fixes it, but we need to rebuild all of the build-depends ...
[16:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 625882 in libdbi (Debian) (and 7 other projects) "libdbi0: ABI breakage without package name change (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625882
[16:31] <ara> ScottK, if you feel that a new testcase is needed, can you please send an email to ubuntu-qa explaining why it is needed?
[16:31] <ara> ScottK, thanks!
[16:31] <ScottK> ara: Don't we want a test case for each install option?
[16:32] <SpamapS> The other option is to sync w/ Debian w/ has regressed to the previous upstream version for squeeze rather than rebuild the build-depending packages (of which there are 6)
[16:32] <ara> sure, but without previous notice from developers it is hard to keep up with the different options
[16:32] <ScottK> OK.
[16:32] <ScottK> ara: It's ubuntu-qa@l.u.c, right?
[16:33] <ara> ScottK, correct, thanks a lot
[16:38] <marjo> hi cjwatson
[16:39] <marjo> cjwatson: re: ubuntu studio i386 running inside virtualbox, running inside virtualbox, "software installation failed" after skipping optional software (CORE only)
[16:40] <ScottK> SpamapS: Did you do test rebuilds?
[16:40] <marjo> i chose "no automatic updates"
[16:41] <cjwatson> marjo: do you have installer logs?
[16:41] <marjo> cjwatson: "download language support", i chose no
[16:42] <marjo> cjwatson: Choose software to install: I chose <Continue>
[16:44] <SpamapS> ScottK: because of the brokenness of libdbi's bin packages, they have to be altered slightly (libdbi0-dev changed to libdbi-dev)
[16:44] <SpamapS> ScottK: I've tested rrdtool, the others I'm waiting on.
[16:45] <cjwatson> marjo: I'm running a test here, although logs would be more efficient
[16:45] <ScottK> SpamapS: Once you've rebuilt them all, ask again and I'll evaluate it.
[16:45] <marjo> cjwatson: "An installation step failed. You can try to run ... Select and install software"
[16:45] <marjo> cjwatson: ok
[17:01] <ttx> skaet, cjwatson: do you need anything more for -server ? Will call it a day in ~15min
[17:01] <ttx> skaet, cjwatson: smoser should be around to nudge the cloud images
[17:01] <smoser> i'm here.
[17:02] <cjwatson> I don't think so
[17:03] <skaet> ttx,  could you look over the TechnicalOverview and make sure the hightlites are accurate.
[17:04] <ttx> skaet: I did that, let me recheck :)
[17:04] <skaet> ttx,  thanks!  :)
[17:05] <ScottK> cjwatson: Could I get a respin of Kubuntu live powerpc?
[17:05] <ttx> skaet: looks good to me. You still have a few "waiting input, needs update?" lines in there, though
[17:05] <ttx> (not -server related)
[17:05] <ScottK> Now that it looks like we're ~there, I have a tester for it.
[17:06] <skaet> ttx,  thanks.   will be deleting them in a final pass if can't get more input, before then.  (place holders).
[17:07] <ttx> skaet: ack
[17:09] <cjwatson> ScottK: on its way
[17:10] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks.
[17:18] <cjwatson> right, posted ubuntustudio 20100902.1, which I'm fairly sure will be better
[17:21] <holstein> hey guys
[17:21]  * holstein is testing the amd64 ubuntustudio iso's today :)
[17:22] <Riddell> right I'm away, back in about 6 hours, I think we'll be good for release seems like the dvds are getting tested, ScottK can confirm when it needs confirmed
[17:26] <cjwatson> Riddell,ScottK: kubuntu-mobile for arm respun with better image names, so it's now preinstalled-mobile as discussed.  That's not on the tracker - do you want me to try to fight with the tracker to get it added, or just test it out of band?
[17:26] <cjwatson> holstein: as long as you test 20100902.1 not 20100902
[17:26] <holstein> cjwatson: thats what im just asking about
[17:26] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'd say let's test it out of band unless you have spare time to play with the tracker.
[17:26] <cjwatson> not so much
[17:27]  * holstein is DL'ing from the dailies
[17:27] <holstein> @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess I will have the ubuntustudio images to sync next time
[17:28] <holstein> NM
[17:28]  * holstein totally sorted
[17:28] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4523
[17:33] <ScottK> cjwatson: Are we considering lack of wubi testing a blocker?
[17:33] <cjwatson> I think that's up to you guys
[17:33] <ScottK> OK.
[17:33] <cjwatson> my gut feel is that if Wubi is going to break at the moment it's liable to break across the board
[17:34] <ScottK> OK.  If you know of someone who could test it, both Kubuntu and Xubuntu are asking for wubi testers ....
[17:37] <marjo__> cjwatson: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20100902.1/maverick-alternate-i386.iso not found
[17:37] <ScottK> OK, got one wubi tester.
[17:37] <marjo__> holstein: were you able to grab the amd64 ubuntu studio OK?
[17:38] <holstein> marjo__: yeah
[17:38] <holstein> from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4523
[17:38] <marjo__> holstein: can't seem to find the i386 image
[17:38] <holstein> marjo__: let me see if i can find the i386 one
[17:38] <marjo__> holstein: thx
[17:39] <holstein> marjo__: yeah
[17:39] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4529
[17:39] <holstein> iso not found
[17:39] <holstein> let me ask...
[17:39] <marjo__> holstein: thx for confirming; i already asked cjwatson
[17:40] <holstein> will that be someone in the studio team that needs to fix it?
[17:40] <holstein> whatever...
[17:40] <charlie-tca>  images were just rebuilt, it may not have hit yet
[17:41]  * holstein making a little noise over there
[17:41] <holstein> charlie-tca: true
[17:41] <holstein> marjo__: how about http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4524
[17:42] <marjo__> holstein: ok, that's available
[17:43] <holstein> :)
[17:43] <holstein> hmmm
[17:43] <holstein> marjo__: i think its the wrong one though
[17:43] <holstein> 12:25 < cjwatson> holstein: as long as you test 20100902.1 not 20100902
[17:43] <holstein> that one is 20100902
[17:44] <holstein> marjo__: lets just wait a bit and see if it 'comes in' auto-magically
[17:44] <marjo__> holstein: that's what i'm afraid of; cjwatson said he posted ubuntustudio 20100902.1
[17:44] <marjo__> holstein: ack
[17:47] <holstein> marjo__: w00t
[17:48] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4529
[17:48] <holstein> its there now :)
[17:48] <holstein> 20100902.1
[17:49] <marjo__> holstein: yeah, now i see it
[17:53] <cjwatson> it just takes a while to push to the internal mirrors
[17:54] <cjwatson> panic not typically required :)
[17:54] <ScottK> Is the powerpc live for Kubuntu still building?
[17:55] <cjwatson> no, it's done, I'll post it
[17:55] <cjwatson> and remove ia64 from that directory ..
[17:55] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:58] <cjwatson> ScottK: powerpc isn't on the tracker - the build id is 20100902
[17:58] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks. It doens't need to be on the tracker.
[17:58] <ScottK> It's more if it doesn't create a smoking hole, it passes.
[17:59] <cjwatson> hm, the cdimage.u.c public mirror(s) does seem to be being awfully slow to sync
[18:00] <ScottK> OK.  I was about to ask.
[18:01] <cjwatson> elmo: would you mind having a quick poke at alpinecurrant and seeing if its rsync has melted or something?
[18:01] <cjwatson> at least that's the mirror I'm seeing
[18:01] <cjwatson> I'll do some more data pruning
[18:01] <charlie-tca> It took up to 15 minutes to sync yesterday
[18:03] <cjwatson> it's taken most of an hour here
[18:05] <elmo> it's link is saturated :(
[18:06] <elmo> ironically, the other two don't have this problem, because they can't saturate their own (Gbit) link with outbound traffic
[18:06] <elmo> (they're older and slower)
[18:11] <cjwatson> ah, there we go, it's synced now
[18:14] <ScottK> Still don't see it at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/
[18:16] <cjwatson> oh, I meant studio
[18:16] <cjwatson> I've kicked another sync
[18:16] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[19:20] <ScottK> cjwatson: powerpc for Kubuntu landed.  I doubt it will get tested in time, so don't hold releasing for it.
[19:20] <ScottK> (probably do it tomorrow if it works out)
[19:25] <marjo__> holstein: are you able to test ubuntu studio amd64?
[19:25] <marjo__> holstein: i can only do i386
[19:25] <holstein> marjo__: we're talkig about that right now
[19:25] <holstein> marjo__: im done pretty much
[19:25] <marjo__> holstein: ack & thx
[19:25] <holstein> waiting on the last test right now
[19:42] <holstein> marjo__: may i PM you?
[19:42] <scott-work> cjwatson: it appears the updates to ubuntustudio-meta didn't make it into the 20100902.1 ISO image
[19:43] <scott-work> cjwatson: dholbach reported bug 628981
[19:43] <ScottK> scott-work: Fix is already done/on the way.
[19:43] <cjwatson> you sure?  it was confirmed installable.
[19:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628981 in linux-rt (Ubuntu) "linux-headers-rt not installable breaks installation (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628981
[19:43] <ScottK> Oh, .1.
[19:43] <cjwatson> I'm pretty certain that dholbach was using 20100902 and just didn't check.
[19:43] <holstein> cjwatson: i was using .1 though
[19:43] <cjwatson> (note that I've already followed up to that bug)
[19:43] <cjwatson> holstein: and ...
[19:44] <holstein> failed at 'select and install software'
[19:44] <cjwatson> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/ubuntustudio/daily/current$ grep -- -rt *.list
[19:44] <holstein> i the alternate installer
[19:44] <cjwatson> cdimage@antimony:~/cdimage/www/full/ubuntustudio/daily/current$
[19:44] <cjwatson> linux-headers-rt is not on current images
[19:44] <cjwatson> holstein: I need installer logs
[19:44] <holstein> cjwatson: i can do that
[19:45] <scott-work> how do you get the installer logs when installation fails?
[19:45] <holstein> yeah
[19:45] <cjwatson> "save debug logs" from the installer main menu
[19:45] <holstein> thats what i was about to google ;)
[19:45] <holstein> cjwatson: i'll do that and get them in here for you, thanks
[19:46] <lool> Hey there, we have a new package in maverick/NEW called linaro-image-tools; it would be nice to get that included in maverick/universe proper, that requires FFE + NEW queue processing; is the release team ok with that?
[19:46] <cjwatson> syslog is the important one
[19:46] <cjwatson> lool: doesn't sound like a major problem, but after beta please
[19:47] <lool> Oh sorry, it's not out for Ubuntu yet, I'm confused because we announced the Linaro one; my bad
[19:47] <lool> I intended to mention it post-beta; will raise it up tomorrow or Monday
[19:48] <cjwatson> Other than Ubuntu Studio, is anyone aware of any reason I shouldn't start publishing the beta?
[19:49] <cjwatson> The test matrix isn't entirely complete, but looks reasonable; I've gone through all of the red bugs
[19:49] <ScottK> cjwatson: Kubuntu is ready.
[19:50] <cjwatson> the Kubuntu partitioning label one is the scariest of them, and Riddell has already declared that not a blocker
[19:50] <newz2000> what are the expected URLs to be updated for beta? /testing /testing/maverick/beta, is there another one too? (do the release notes go live with beta or is that later?)
[19:51] <ScottK> cjwatson: Yes.  I was giving you the opinion of the person who signs off on the release, not my personal preference ....
[19:52] <cjwatson> newz2000: /download?  (I forget)
[19:52] <newz2000> cjwatson: no, we won't update that until release
[19:52] <cjwatson> release notes will need to be copied from the tech overview, but IIRC that goes on /testing/maverick/beta?
[19:52] <newz2000> yeah, that's the way it shows for lucid
[19:53] <cjwatson> news sidebar
[19:53] <newz2000> is there a redirect to show the release notes during installation?
[19:53] <cjwatson> yes, the same one there has been for several releases
[19:53]  * newz2000 checks on that
[19:54] <cjwatson> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes?os=$PROJECT&ver=$VERSION&lang=$LANG
[19:54] <cjwatson> where $PROJECT $VERSION $LANG vary
[19:59] <cjwatson> starting publishing
[19:59] <skaet> newz2000, cjwatson,  will do a final pass on the TechnicalOverview with Robbie, and then let you know when its good to clone.
[20:00] <holstein> cjwatson: Ubuntu-Studio 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" - Beta amd64 (20100902)
[20:00] <holstein> i got it from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4528 though
[20:00] <holstein> says 20100902.1
[20:01] <holstein> is this the issue?
[20:01] <cjwatson> your image is too old, yes.  rsync it up to date
[20:03] <cjwatson> perhaps you fetched it just before the tracker was updated
[20:03] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/487397/
[20:03] <holstein> cjwatson: well, thats easy enough then :)
[20:03] <cjwatson> yes, that's the old image
[20:03]  * holstein tries again
[20:07] <newz2000> All ready on my end. Only step left is the tech overview. This is my first time doing it on the new system so may need a little extra time (20m should be more than ample)
[20:08] <cjwatson> hm, our source images are broken
[20:08] <cjwatson> will have to fix that before final, too late now
[20:09] <cjwatson> newz2000: was planning to allow at least two hours for mirroring
[20:09] <cjwatson> does that sound sufficient?
[20:09] <newz2000> cjwatson: yeah, I think so
[20:09] <cjwatson> pitti is a god
[20:10] <cjwatson> this publish-image-set.py is such a time-saver, even if I will have to fiddle about around the edges towards the end
[20:10] <cjwatson> I can just copy and paste the commands to run, with an eyeball check
[20:12] <cjwatson> and it gets all the versions from the iso tracker
[20:22] <cjwatson> syncing out the content for releases.ubuntu.com
[20:22] <cjwatson> not all the cdimage pieces are in place yet
[20:23] <ScottK> cjwatson: If I'm not around when the time comes, ryanakca has his finger on the trigger of kubuntu.org.
[20:30] <cjwatson> things still to do: ubuntu netbook preinstall armel+omap/4; netboot; ubuntu server uec; kubuntu mobile i386/armel; wubi?
[20:31] <cjwatson> ScottK: is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/daily/ stale and removable?
[20:31] <cjwatson> ISTR building alternates for k-m was just a mistake
[20:31] <ScottK> We got one good wubi test on kubuntu.
[20:31] <ScottK> cjwatson: mistake/test, but yes, it can be removed.
[20:33] <cjwatson> it's gone
[20:39] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'm working on getting some feedback on the kubuntu mobile images.  I expect we'd release them tomorrow if at all (like powerpc)
[20:39] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: What is left to do?  <cjwatson> things still to do: ubuntu netbook preinstall armel+omap/4;
[20:44] <cjwatson> 20:42 <cjwatson> GrueMaster: publication
[20:44] <cjwatson> 20:43 <cjwatson> that was a public note-to-self
[20:44] <cjwatson> 20:43 <cjwatson> netboot prepared, not synced
[20:46] <GrueMaster> ok.  The netboot images will probably not be tested immediately.  Lots of other things happening, and apparently they are low on the radar.
[20:48] <cjwatson> I wasn't referring to testing
[20:48] <cjwatson> my comment was "these are the things I still need to publish"
[20:48] <cjwatson> ubuntu netbook preinstall armel+omap/4 published (pending mirror sync)
[20:49] <cjwatson> http://releases.ubuntu.com/.manifest trimmed down to just maverick for the sake of the mirror prober
[20:49] <cjwatson> elmo: acai is taking a long time to come back from sync-mirrors.  is it ok?
[20:49] <elmo> cjwatson: same deal
[20:50] <cjwatson> ok, it returned eventually
[20:50] <cjwatson> jpds: ^- comment about manifest
[20:51] <cjwatson> ScottL: should I publish Ubuntu Studio for beta?  I held off due to the confusion about the -rt packages, but that seems to have been resolved
[20:51] <cjwatson> no amd64 tests yet
[20:52] <cjwatson> smoser: can you please go ahead and publish the EC2/UEC images?
[20:53] <smoser> cjwatson, yes sir.
[20:53] <cjwatson> ScottL,scott-work: charlie-tca's test on #-testing seems to be going well so far
[20:54] <scott-work> cjwatson: good, thank you :)
[20:55] <marjo__> cjwatson: studio i386 mandatory tests passed
[20:59] <cjwatson> ScottK: do you want kubuntu mobile to go under kubuntu/releases/ (i.e. with the DVD etc.) or under kubuntu-mobile/releases/ ?
[20:59] <cjwatson> (the latter will tend to cause the scripts to talk about "Kubuntu-Mobile" everywhere ...)
[20:59] <cjwatson> but I'm not sure whether you want it with the DVD, or on its own
[21:00] <ScottK> cjwatson: That latter.  It's a very rough tech preview this cycle, so the further away from production releases the better.
[21:00] <cjwatson> ok
[21:00] <cjwatson> ogra: if you're still around, same question for the netbook preinstalled images - do you want them along with the Ubuntu DVD in releases/, or on their own in ubuntu-netbook/releases/ ?
[21:01] <cjwatson> or maybe even in ports/releases/ or ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/ or oh god I'm so confused
[21:02] <cjwatson> publishing ubuntustudio
[21:02] <marjo__> cjwatson: thx!
[21:15] <scott-work> marjo__: thanks for tenaciously testing !
[21:16] <marjo__> scott-work: never give up! thank you!
[21:16] <cjwatson> netbook preinstalled: I'm opting to place them separately for now
[21:17]  * holstein is burning the amd64 ubuntustuio iso
[21:17] <holstein> hopefully the right one ;)
[21:21] <cjwatson> NCommander: I have not published dove, for now; let me know if that should change
[21:21] <smoser> cjwatson, http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/beta/ and http://ubuntu-ec2-maverick-amd64.notlong.com/ and http://ubuntu-ec2-maverick-i386.notlong.com/ are updated. ie "uec images 'Released'"
[21:22] <cjwatson> notlong.com?
[21:24] <smoser> they redirect.
[21:24] <smoser> to amazon pages.
[21:28] <cjwatson> skaet: I believe everything is now published
[21:29] <cjwatson> skaet: some of the URLs may take a while given that the datacentre is now presumably frantically shifting data around
[21:29] <skaet> ack.
[21:29] <cjwatson> wow, lack of HEADER.html in some of these places too
[21:29] <cjwatson> um, yeah, give it a while ...
[21:30] <cjwatson> elmo: acai has been syncing releases for over an hour - this could prove difficult
[21:35] <cjwatson> skaet: anything else you need from me?
[21:35] <skaet> cjwatson,  do you have a bung number for the OEM installation mode?
[21:35] <skaet> s/bung/bug/...
[21:42] <cjwatson> skaet: bug 628681, bug 628290, bug 628911
[21:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628681 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu OEM did not install oem-config-kde (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628681
[21:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "OEM installation, missing "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon (affects: 1) (heat: 3440)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628290
[21:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628911 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Netbook OEM did not install oem-config (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628911
[21:46] <skaet> cjwatson,  Thanks!    Sleep well.
[21:54] <charlie-tca> from #ubuntu+1
 Well , you guys are done such a great job .. so thank ya a bunch :-)
[22:14] <ScottK> skaet: If we the release happens before Riddell gets back, ryanakca will be taking care of getting the announcement on kubuntu.org.
[22:14] <ScottK> (he may anyway)
[22:23] <ogra> cjwatson, alpha-3 was in ubuntu-netbook/releases/ hmmm, i'm not really sure i must say :)
[22:23] <cjwatson> let's just stick with that structure then; that has the virtue that I've done it already ;-)
[22:23] <ogra> lol
[22:23] <cjwatson> should be on the website to check out now
[22:23] <ogra> ok
[22:23] <cjwatson> so please confirm and such
[22:24] <ogra> oh, WOW ! you fixed make_web_indicies !
[22:24] <ogra> thanks so much
[22:24] <ogra> (that was at the very bottom of my TODO for maverick)
[22:25] <ogra> cjwatson, perfect
[22:25] <cjwatson> for preinstalled-*?  yep, happy birthday
[22:25] <ogra> heh
[22:26] <cjwatson> at least some of cdimage has yet to catch up :-/
[22:29] <ogra> looking at cdimage i wonder if it deserves a cleanup spec for natty to avoid all that directory confusion once and for all it is really quite chaotic
[22:30] <cjwatson> mm, people keep turning up with new requirements :-/
[22:30] <cjwatson> the ports separation is perhaps unhelpful
[22:31] <ogra> i think all the different possible release dirs we have are ...
[22:31] <ScottK> too many
[22:31] <ogra> havig dailies on a per project base is fine, but milestones and release should all live in the same place
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Wouldn't many names have to be changed then? All the images have the same name, only the directories change
[22:33]  * charlie-tca thinks "or I have lost track again and you should ignore me"
[22:33] <ogra> charlie-tca, only the target dirs for milestones/releases would have to be unified
[22:34] <charlie-tca> So we could find them easier? That would be nice
[22:34] <ScottK> It would have been nice to keep that third amd64 builder ....
[22:50] <holstein> charlie-tca: thanks for doing these ubuntustudio 64bit test :)
[22:50] <charlie-tca> no problem
[22:50] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4528
[22:50] <holstein> we're all tested :)
[22:51] <marjo__> holstein: thx
[22:51] <holstein> w00t :)
[22:51] <marjo__> holstein:  ubuntu studio i386 manual partitioning test case passed
[22:52] <holstein> sweet
[22:53] <robbiew> okay ladies and gentlemen...I'm sending the official email
[22:53] <ogra> wohooo !
[22:53] <robbiew> and it will sit until slangasek approves the email
[22:53] <robbiew> lol
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Thank you, cjwatson
[22:54] <marjo__> robbiew: thx; test coverage is fairly complete
[22:54] <slangasek> is that a hint? :)
[22:54] <robbiew> heh
[22:54] <cjwatson> how are the CD mirrors looking?
[22:54]  * robbiew need to relocate back home...battery is low
[22:54] <marjo__> robbiew: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases
[22:55] <robbiew> ack
[22:55] <cjwatson> well, at least some of them have at least some of the data ;-)
[22:55] <cjwatson> can somebody who is not behind NAT check the torrents?
[23:09] <cjwatson> hm, it's a bit late, but let's resurrect queuebot
[23:10] <cjwatson> didn't realise it was out all day
[23:27] <newz2000> This is my last beta release as webmaster. :`(
[23:28] <newz2000> (but that's ok, happy days are still ahead)
[23:28] <newz2000> and have you ever seen such a pretty beta release page?
[23:29] <slangasek> robbiew: hey, where did you send that message?  I'm not finding it in the mod queues
[23:30] <cjwatson> newz2000: overachiever
[23:30] <cjwatson> ;-)
[23:31] <cjwatson> hm, we mentioned the Kubuntu Ubiquity redesign but not the Ubuntu one
[23:31] <robbiew> slangasek: hmm
[23:31] <newz2000> mt gets the credit. Both for the beauty and the last min pushes to live I inflected on IS
[23:31] <cjwatson> ah well
[23:32] <cjwatson> robbiew: are you planning to do the other announcement steps listed in BetaProcess?
[23:32] <skaet> newz2000,  its a very cool page
[23:32] <robbiew> slangasek: heh...it was sitting in my outbox of course
[23:33] <cjwatson> you and your fancy mailers
[23:33] <cjwatson> telnet smtp.canonical.com 25 doesn't have an outbox
[23:33] <robbiew> nah...I forgot I turned my mailer offline
[23:33] <robbiew> heh
[23:33] <slangasek> back in MY day, the outbox was acoustically coupled to the inbox
[23:34] <cjwatson> yeah, well MY outbox had to be filled up with coal twice a day, rain or shine
[23:34] <slangasek> you didn't need your computer to tell you you had mail, you could hear the mail without any fancy sound cards
[23:35] <robbiew> lol
[23:35] <skaet> lol
[23:35] <robbiew> cjwatson: : yeah, I can complete it
[23:35] <robbiew> BetaProcess that is
[23:35] <cjwatson> awesome
[23:35]  * robbiew also adds that to the Links section of /ReleaseTeam ;)
[23:35] <skaet> cjwatson,  go get some sleep  :)
[23:36] <cjwatson> my thought exactly
[23:37] <cjwatson> gosh, fancy, I don't think I'd ever seen /ReleaseTeam
[23:37] <cjwatson> BTW, planning to let the KDE stuff in the queue flush out in a controlled manner under ScottK's guidance, and I'll open the floodgates again tomorrow morning
[23:41] <robbiew> cjwatson: /me created it ;)
[23:44] <robbiew> grrrr...stupid evolution
[23:44]  * skaet wonders if the demo she got on how to send out the email needs to be redone ;)
[23:45] <cjwatson> step 1: use mutt
[23:45] <robbiew> nah...I thought I had auto-complete for ubuntu-announce
[23:45] <cjwatson> anyway, I shall stop trolling and go to sleep; 'night
[23:45] <robbiew> I didn't
[23:45] <robbiew> lol
[23:46] <robbiew> so it got sent to ubuntu-announce...instead of ubuntu-announce@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:46] <robbiew> http://www.sadtrombone.com
[23:47] <skaet> :(
[23:48] <robbiew> slangasek: you should NOW see it in the moderator queue :/
[23:49] <robbiew> slangasek: wait...it was rejected...because of the stupid header crap
[23:49] <robbiew> damn it!
[23:51] <Riddell> evening
[23:51] <Riddell> what's the status?
[23:52] <robbiew> Riddell: announcement sent
[23:52] <slangasek> robbiew: and moderated
[23:52] <robbiew> ;)
[23:53] <skaet> :)
[23:55] <skaet> ... and in the inbox.  :)
[23:57] <robbiew> slangasek: BetaRelease says to update http://release-blog.ubuntu.com/....how exactly do I do that :)
[23:58]  * skaet is interested too...
[23:58] <slangasek> robbiew: you click on the link that takes you straight to the admin page for it, then you get someone to get you a username and password :)
[23:59] <slangasek> lemme see if I can swing that