[00:34] <fader_> Netboot amd64s done!
[00:34]  * fader_ wanders off to find some food.
[01:00] <cjwatson> fader_: as of a week or so ago, I can actually tell people to make backups and not feel like an utter hypocrite!
[01:34] <fader_> cjwatson: Wow... deja dup or something else? :)
[01:39] <cjwatson> I used duplicity for a while but I'm afraid it sucks for full system restore
[01:40] <cjwatson> I had to do a full restore with it, and assembled a long list of bugs that I had to work around by hand; not really what I want in a backup tool
[01:40] <fader_> Ugh :/
[01:40] <cjwatson> I'm now using a wrapper around rsync --link-dest=, which is a truly awesome rsync option I never knew about before.  A friend of mine wrote a wrapper script called 'rsbackup' which is doing the job fine
[01:41] <fader_> Hmm, I will have to check that out.  I know rsync has a zillion options but I've only used it for pulling ISOs.
[01:41] <cjwatson> duplicity and its derivatives are probably fine for backing up subdirectories of your filesystem, but for example the restore feature doesn't use numeric ids on restore, which makes it hopeless for a full system restore so I conclude that that use case was never properly tested
[01:42] <cjwatson> I should get around to reporting that batch of bugs, but I have an alternative now ...
[01:42] <fader_> Heh
[01:42] <fader_> Yeah, I don't really feel the need for a full restore.  If I keep my data I'm happy.
[01:42] <fader_> My backup strategy is scp'ing it to a separate system in my basement, which is better than nothing but far from foolproof
[01:43] <cjwatson> I should poke my friend to publish his script properly so that I can recommend it to people
[01:43] <fader_> Yeah, that would be cool!
[01:43]  * fader_ waits for the PPA ;)
[01:44] <cjwatson> keeping the rest of the system is a negligible amount of space compared to keeping the data, and saves a certain amount of aggravation at just the point when I can least afford aggravation (i.e. when a hard disk has just died)
[01:44] <charlie-tca> +1 for a good backup solution
[01:45] <cjwatson> duplicity is probably still better for backups to the cloud or whatever, though.  plain rsync creates too many little files for that
[01:46] <cjwatson> (but lots-of-little-files is good for local backups because then you can cd to your backup!)
[02:08] <ev> cjwatson is setting new Kubuntu, ubuntu-netbook, kubuntu-mobile, and kubuntu-dvd images to build when ubiquity 2.3.14 lands in the archive.  Just a heads up, we could use some testing and someone to post them to the tracker.
[02:09] <cjwatson> these fix OOM issues in the ubiquity KDE frontend, and an infinite loop during installation when installing from a USB image with persistence enabled (at least?)
[02:09] <ev> and not having a hostname set in the KDE installer
[02:12] <fader_> Ah, d'oh... I think I just submitted a bug on that -- bug 628563
[02:12] <ubot4> fader_: Bug 628563 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/628563 is private
[02:12]  * fader_ smacks ubot4.
[02:13] <fader_> bug 628563
[02:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628563 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "plugininstall.py crashed with IOError in command() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628563
[02:13] <fader_> ev: When do you think they'll be built?
[02:16] <cjwatson> starting in a bit over an hour
[02:16] <cjwatson> (guess)
[02:18] <fader_> Hmm... I'm not sure if I am able to update the tracker or not, actually :/
[02:22] <fader_> I'll check in in a bit and see if I can manage to make it work :)  Otherwise we might have to wait for ara to wake up :/
[02:22] <fader_> (Check in once there are ISOs to try to post, I mean.)
[03:59] <fader_> Hmm, I don't see the builds on cdimage... is there anybody still awake who might know where else to look?
[04:00] <fader_> (I'm hoping the .uk folks are in bed by now! :) )
[04:01] <stgraber> they should show up on cdimage ...
[04:01] <stgraber> you can probably track the build process on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/
[04:02] <stgraber> fader_: you have the right to add them to the tracker
[04:02] <stgraber> fader_: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/admin/addbuild
[04:03] <fader_> stgraber: I thought I might :)  I'm just not sure how the interface works, never having done it
[04:03] <fader_> Though I don't think the builds are ready :/
[04:04] <stgraber> basically you fill that form once per "version" number, so if you have 20100102 out, you tick everything that's been rebuilt with that version number, you enter the version number at the bottom of the page and it'll add them to the tracker + send the e-mails
[04:05] <fader_> stgraber: Ahh, sounds reasonable.  Thanks!
[04:06] <stgraber> np
[04:06] <stgraber> ok, now just finishing some edubuntu testing and I should be done for today
[04:06] <fader_> Though since they're not there I think I might give up and go to bed :/
[04:07] <stgraber> anyone on Pacific time with admin access ? :)
[04:07] <fader_> Hmm, good question
[04:07] <stgraber> slangasek used to do a great job at that ;)
[04:07] <fader_> heheh
[04:07] <fader_> slangasek never sleeps!
[04:08] <fader_> persia isn't in the Pacific timezone but he keeps weird hours... I have no idea if he's up or not  (or if he has admin access to the ISO tracker)
[04:08] <fader_> sbeattie would be my only other guess from the list of folks in here
[04:09]  * persia doesn't have admin access
[04:09] <fader_> persia: We can probably fix that if you're going to reply to messages like that :P
[04:09]  * fader_ thinks persia never sleeps too.
[04:10] <stgraber> ouch, we really need to update the access list for the ISO tracker ...
[04:10] <fader_> Agreed
[04:10] <fader_> stgraber: Do you have a list of who has access?
[04:10] <persia> Might it make sense to have it be the same as the ubuntu-release team?
[04:11] <fader_> persia: That's probably a good start, though I don't know that we should restrict it to that
[04:11] <fader_> 'sufficient but not necessary'
[04:11] <stgraber> I currently have: stgraber, henrik, pitti, jriddell, hobbsee, bdmurray, keybuk, mathiaz, cr3, dendrobates, pedro, ara, slangasek, cjwatson, liw, mdz, jcastro, ogasawara, nand, schwuk, cmsj, cgregan, sbeattie, sayakb, robbiew, gruemaster, sfunk, fader, plars and jamiebennett
[04:12] <fader_> skaet should *definitely* have access, off the top of my head
[04:12] <fader_> Since she's the new slangasek ;)
[04:12] <stgraber> that'd make sense ;) and I see a few who shouldn't have access anymore ;)
[04:13] <fader_> Yeah, but I'd rather have too many people than too few
[04:13] <fader_> (At least from people we know aren't going to do crazy things :) )
[04:13] <stgraber> I can't find skaet in the ISO testing database so I can't grant her admin rights
[04:13] <fader_> Heh, we'll have to fix that :)
[04:14] <fader_> One more thing to drop on her :)
[04:14] <stgraber> oh, found her, she just didn't use her nick as username
[04:14]  * skaet has a LONG way to go before she's even close to slangasek level of competence...
[04:14] <skaet> stgraber,  :)
[04:14] <fader_> skaet: You already seem to have started the not sleeping part ;)
[04:15] <stgraber> done
[04:15] <persia> fader_, That's 90% perceptual, and therefore easy :)
[04:15] <stgraber> skaet: you should see a lot more options on iso.qa.ubuntu.com now
[04:15] <skaet> fader_,  heh.  trying to figure out what goes into release notes...
[04:15] <fader_> persia: Which part, the not sleeping or something else?
[04:15] <persia> fader_, appearing to not sleep
[04:15]  * fader_ seems to always be sleeping, so it balances out.
[04:15] <fader_> :)
[04:16] <plars> stgraber: plars and I have access to it because of another qatracker instance that uses the same db
[04:16] <skaet> stgraber,  cool.
[04:16] <plars> err
[04:16] <plars> jamiebennett and I :)
[04:16] <fader_> skaet: Don't ask me... I'd be likely to tell you to just fill whatever space you have left by piping fortune through cowsay
[04:16] <fader_> <-- bad influence
[04:16] <plars> I don't normally talk about myself in the 3rd person... really :)
[04:16] <fader_> Heheh
[04:16] <skaet> fader_,  lol
[04:16] <stgraber> plars: which is kind of weird because you have explicit admin rights on the ISO instance, I guess ara probably went with the easy way of making you admins then ;)
[04:17] <fader_> Like I said, the more the merrier.  The more people we can have on-hand
[04:17] <fader_> d'oh
[04:17] <fader_> ... on-hand to do this sort of thing, the better (within reason)
[04:17] <fader_> IMO, YMMV, ®, ™, ec.
[04:17] <fader_> etc.
[04:18]  * fader_ apparently needs to go to bed.
[04:18] <stgraber> ;)
[04:18] <fader_> You wouldn't think that a few liters of whisky would have this effect, but there you go.
[04:19] <fader_> Anywho, is anybody going to be around in, say, an hour who might be able to check on the kubuntu respins *and* has admin access to the ISO tracker?
[04:20]  * stgraber won't
[04:20] <stgraber> (we really need to script that part ...)
[04:20] <fader_> If not I think we'll have to leave it for ara.  Which isn't an enormous deal at this point as I think she'll be on in 3-3.5 hours anyway
[04:21] <fader_> I'll drop her an email and ask her to check
[04:22] <stgraber> I see that the kubuntu livefs is being built right now
[04:23] <fader_> stgraber: Where are you seeing that?  I tried looking at the URL you tossed out earlier but my tiny brain couldn't cope with the choices :)
[04:23] <stgraber> though then the actual CD/DVD/... still need to be generated so it's probably going to still take an hour
[04:23] <stgraber> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/maverick/kubuntu/20100902/
[04:23] <fader_> Aha, thanks!
[04:24] <fader_> Yeah, I'm not going to make it an hour before starting to test and still be at all functional tomorrow, so I will bail. :(  For release I'd stick it out but I think I can accomplish more by being fresh tomorrow
[04:24] <fader_> stgraber: Thanks for the help dude!  $beers_or_pies++
[04:24] <stgraber> so basically for live images, they first have the livefs built with logs in livefs-build-logs/maverick/<distro-variant>/<version> then the actual CD/DVD/... is built with logs in /cd-build-logs/maverick/<distro-variant>/<version>/
[04:27] <fader_> Is this documented anywhere or just passed on by word of mouth around the campfire? :)
[04:27]  * fader_ is too lazy to search the wiki right now.
[04:27] <stgraber> I doubt it's documented but who knows, maybe it's, "somewhere" ;)
[04:27] <fader_> (No need to point me to docs if they exist -- I can search tomorrow... just thinking I should document it if they don't exist)
[04:27] <fader_> Heh
[04:27] <persia> At least it's documented in the CD building code.
[04:27] <fader_> Oh man, that's the worst possible answer :P
[04:28] <fader_> Okay, something to grep around for then
[04:28]  * fader_ scribbles in Tomboy.
[04:28] <persia> There ought be readmes.  Take a look at the debian-cd code (the branch, not the package)
[04:29] <fader_> persia: Added to my notes to check out, thanks!
[04:30]  * fader_ heads for bed.
[04:30] <fader_> 'Night all!
[04:31] <stgraber> good night
[12:02] <jibel> If I'm dropped to a grub shell after a wubi upgrade, I file a bug against grub or wubi ?
[12:08] <cjwatson> there are already loads of bugs for that :(
[12:08] <cjwatson> (wubi, to start with, keeps them better categorised)
[12:09] <cjwatson> oh, thinking about it, lupin will need the same fix I applied to wubi.  That will be a start
[12:41]  * ara -> lunch
[12:54] <cjwatson> ubuntu netbook i386 reposted
[13:12] <fader_> Is it safe to start on the kubuntu DVDs?
[13:18] <cjwatson> kubuntu desktop reposted
[13:18] <cjwatson> hm, might be a plan if we respun kubuntu DVD
[13:18] <cjwatson> since it has no tests and known bugs
[13:19] <cjwatson> disabled on the tracker, respin queued
[13:20] <fader_> Thanks, cjwatson... I'll switch to the desktop image
[13:34] <fader_> Hmm, is the lack of an automatic split partitioning option in kubuntu a bug or a feature?
[13:39] <fader_> I don't seem to be able to resize from within the manual partitioner, either :(
[13:47] <cjwatson> ubuntustudio reposted
[13:48] <cjwatson> fader_: you sure it's not just "can't resize given your current partitioning setup" then?
[13:48] <fader_> cjwatson: Could be, though I'd expect a message to that effect and I'm surprised that kubuntu is affected when ubuntu and xubuntu are not
[13:50] <cjwatson> you don't necessarily get a message if the partition is non-resizable
[13:50] <cjwatson> but feel free to file a bug with logs and we can look ...
[13:51] <fader_> Will do, once I finish the OEM install I started instead. :)  Thanks!
[14:14] <fader_> cjwatson: Bug 628815, though I don't feel I should mark the test case as failed unless someone else can reproduce -- it's possible that I'm just missing something
[14:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628815 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot resize from kubuntu partitioner (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628815
[14:18] <cyphermox> fader_, I saw this too, but figured it was because there was no use in resizing/no way to resize the given setup, as cjwatson put it
[14:18] <fader_> cyphermox: It's weird though... ubuntu and xubuntu have no problems on the exact same setup
[14:18] <fader_> I would expect to have the option to resize in the manual partitioner, at least, even if I couldn't actually resize anything
[14:18] <cjwatson> fader_: your manual resize screenshot shows the "New partition size in megabytes" spinner
[14:18] <cjwatson> can you not use that?
[14:19] <fader_> cjwatson: D'oh, I misinterpreted the box :[
[14:19] <fader_> I thought it implied deleting the partition and creating a new one, so I didn't stick anything in there... let me try that.
[14:19] <cjwatson> I have no idea why you aren't getting an automatic resize option though; the logs suggest that you should
[14:20] <cjwatson> so perhaps that's a bug in ubiquity's KDE frontend
[14:20] <cjwatson> (posted to bug)
[14:20] <cjwatson> it's "New (partition size)"
[14:20] <cjwatson> rather than "(New partition) size"
[14:21] <fader_> Yeah, I read it as the latter rather than the former :[
[14:41] <marjo> anybody else testing ubuntu studio i386?
[14:46] <cjwatson> Kubuntu DVD reposted
[14:48] <cjwatson> Kubuntu Mobile i386 posted, but I don't know how to add testcases for it.  Help?
[16:38] <marjo> hi cjwatson
[16:39] <charlie-tca> downloading ubuntustudio 64 for testing, but it says it it a 3 hour download here
[16:43] <fader_> Ouch... with zsync and everything?
[16:47] <charlie-tca> don't have a copy yet
[16:48] <xdatap> hi guys, i'm testing Ubuntu Studio i386, and I got during entire disk installation this: linux-headers-rt : Depends: linux-headers-2.6.31-10-rt but it is not installable
[16:48] <xdatap> is it already known?
[16:52] <xdatap> ara, marjo: ping
[16:52] <ara> xdatap, hello
[16:53] <xdatap> ara, do you know if this problem with ubuntu studio is known? otherwise I'll open a bug (hello!)
[16:54] <ara> xdatap, it might be known, actually, cjwatson and marjo are debugging issues with ubuntu studio at #ubuntu-release right now
[16:54] <ara> xdatap, would you mind stepping in and ask cjwatson?
[16:54] <xdatap> ara, sure, i'm going in that channel, thanks
[16:55] <cjwatson> the latest version was supposed to have fixed that
[16:55] <cjwatson> but I'm midway through a test now
[16:56] <cjwatson> you know, I bet I know what this is
[16:56] <cjwatson> it's the Launchpad bug that's the bane of my life
[16:57] <xdatap> cjwatson, do you recommend to sync the image again? I'm testing the image linked in the iso tracker
[16:57] <cjwatson> no, I recommend that I rebuild the image :-)
[16:58] <xdatap> cjwatson, ok :)
[16:59] <cjwatson> I think.  Just checking a few things out
[17:00] <cjwatson> yes, I think I accidentally built with an old ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:00] <cjwatson> how annoying
[17:00] <cjwatson> I've kicked it off again
[17:01] <primes2h> cjwatson: are you talking about this launchpad bug #628755?
[17:01] <cjwatson> no
[17:01] <cjwatson> absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that
[17:03] <primes2h> cjwatson: ok. :-)
[17:11] <pedro_> is the kubuntu dvd i386 ok to test or it's going to be rebuild?
[17:11] <pedro_> i'm getting a can not mount /dev/loop0 here with that image
[17:15] <fader_> pedro_: I just finished syncing that image, let me try to reproduce
[17:15] <fader_> pedro_: What mode were you testing in?
[17:17] <pedro_> fader_, live session/ubiquity install , the first option
[17:17] <pedro_> fader_, thanks
[17:18] <cjwatson> right, posted ubuntustudio 20100902.1, which I'm fairly sure will be better
[17:18] <cjwatson> pedro_: I believe it's OK to test
[17:20] <fader_> pedro_: It seems to be working for me so far under VirtualBox
[17:20] <fader_> Copying files...
[17:20] <pedro_> fader_, ok so it's probably something wrong with my image here, will download it again, thanks
[17:29] <ScottK> Is there anyone around who is/can do wubi testing for Kubuntu?  We've got no one that I know of who can do it.
[17:31] <ScottK> fader_: Could you also do Kubuntu dvd live session on amd64?  No one seems to have picked up the easy one there.
[17:31] <fader_> ScottK: I'll give it a shot.  I always avoid those as I've never ever managed to get persistence to work, but there's always a first time ;)
[17:32] <charlie-tca> We could use help with wubi testing for Xubuntu, too.
[17:32] <ScottK> fader_: Even if it's pass with a bug for persistence I'll take it.
[17:33] <fader_> Roger... just finishing up the ubiquity case and I'll pick up the live session one
[17:33] <ScottK> fader_: Thanks.
[17:33] <dholbach> hola
[17:33] <dholbach> is there anything special to make kubuntu live in kvm work?
[17:34] <dholbach> after choosing "just test, don't install", I'm looking at a black screen and a mouse cursor
[17:35] <ScottK> dholbach: How much ram does it have?
[17:36] <dholbach> ScottK, 500, let me give it some more :)
[17:36] <dholbach> 500M
[17:36] <jibel> ScottK, I can do kubuntu wubi amd64.
[17:36] <ScottK> It should just work, but will likely come up in Netbook on kvm
[17:36] <ScottK> jibel: Great.
[17:38] <ScottK> dholbach: Are you on amd64 in your vm?
[17:38] <dholbach> ScottK, I gave it -m 1000, i386, same thing
[17:38] <ScottK> Weird.
[17:39] <ScottK> I installed on hardware with 1gb ram, so I know it ~works.
[17:40] <dholbach> ScottK, does ~/.xsession-errors help you?
[17:40] <ScottK> dholbach: How about /var/log/kdm.log
[17:41] <ScottK> It should be short enough for pastbin even
[17:42] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/487341/
[17:42] <dholbach> it's very short
[17:43] <dholbach> let me restart kdm and see what happens
[17:45] <dholbach> now I get a desktop, but the mouse doesn't move
[17:45] <dholbach> very weird
[17:45] <dholbach> alt-f1 opens the main menu, so I guess it's functional, somehow, minus the mouse
[17:47] <ScottK> dholbach: kdm log is normal.  That's where you'll usually find out about X crashing.
[17:47] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/487342/ is longer now
[17:48] <dholbach> let me try the ubuntu live
[17:48] <ScottK> (EE) VMWARE(0): vmmouse enable failed is why you have no mouse
[17:48] <dholbach> that's weird because the mouse worked in the "install or test" dialogue
[17:49] <dholbach> I just ran 'sudo restart kdm'
[17:50] <fader_> ScottK: live session itself works but if I add "persistent" to the boot options, I end up at an initramfs shell with "aufs mount failed"; is this a bug or am I still messing up persistence? :)
[17:50] <ScottK> fader_: I vote bug.  Please file it and then add it to the test result.
[17:50] <fader_> ScottK: Will do, thanks
[17:53] <sbeattie> fader_: you have a parition that has the needed casper_rw or home_rw label, correct?
[17:53] <fader_> sbeattie: Yep, just created one.  I used fat32 as the instructions didn't specify what fs to use... should I be using ext* instead?
[17:54] <dholbach> ubuntu-dvd-live-i386 worked flawlessly
[17:54] <sbeattie> fader_: dunno if it'll work with fat32, extX is all I've ever used.
[17:54] <fader_> sbeattie: Maybe that's it then... let me try ext3 first before I file bugs
[17:58] <fader_> Aha, looks like that was it... I'll confirm and then update the instructions on the wiki
[17:59] <dholbach> ok this time it worked, no idea why
[18:00] <cjwatson> bug 627672 is unfixed in Ubuntu desktop because I didn't want to impose even more QA load; it would be nice to confirm for the release notes that creating the USB stick without persistence works around it
[18:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 627672 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[Maverick Beta] install from USB stuck retrieving files 2/6 Hp Mini (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627672
[18:00] <cjwatson> if somebody has time for that
[18:05] <cyphermox> cjwatson, I'll check it
[18:11] <fader_> Gah, I still can't get persistence to work.   Same behavior I always get -- things just don't seem to persist and my "casper_rw" filesystem isn't mounted.
[18:11] <fader_> Can anybody who has ever gotten it to work hold my hand for a minute or two and tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[18:11] <fader_> What I did:
[18:12] <fader_> 1. Created an ext3 fs as /dev/sdb1, labeled "casper_rw".  (Verified with e2label that it is labeled as such.)
[18:12] <fader_> 2. Booted the live session but hit F6 and added "persistent" to the boot options.
[18:12] <fader_> 3. Changed settings, created things in the home folder, etc.
[18:12] <fader_> 4. Rebooted with 'persistent' again, noting that none of my changes persisted.  (And that /dev/sdb1 is not mounted anywhere.)
[18:13]  * ScottK has only ever tried persistence on usb sticks where it's just point and click in usb-creator.
[18:14] <sbeattie> fader_: through the magic of aufs, /dev/sdb1 won't appear to be mounted.
[18:14] <sbeattie> fader_: can you manually mount it and see if it had anything written to it?
[18:14] <fader_> sbeattie: Sure
[18:14] <fader_> sbeattie: Nada.  Just lost+found.
[18:17] <fader_> Hang on, let me try something
[18:18] <dholbach> ubuntustudio failed to install.
[18:19] <sbeattie> fader_: okay, I'm trying it with the regular livecd, as there's no way I can get a dvd downloaded by EOD.
[18:20]  * charlie-tca knows that feeling. My ubuntustudio still has 1.5 hours to go, and my upgrade test is waiting for the updates to complete to run it. (Maybe another hour)
[18:20] <ScottK> fader_: In the mean time, would you please mark the live test pass.
[18:20] <dholbach> charlie-tca, the rt kernel is not installable
[18:21]  * ScottK thought it didn't exist.
[18:21] <fader_> Ah, got it... I had used "casper-rw" when I did fat32, but "casper_rw" when I did ext3
[18:21] <fader_> :(
[18:21] <fader_> Turns out "casper-rw" works
[18:21] <charlie-tca> well, at least I will have images
[18:21] <fader_> sbeattie: ^^ I got it tested, but thanks
[18:21] <sbeattie> fader_: awesome
[18:22] <sbeattie> fader_: and sorry for steering you wrong on - vs. _
[18:22] <ScottK> charlie-tca and dholbach: rmadison linux-rt supports my notion it's not in maverick.
[18:22] <fader_> sbeattie: No worries, thanks for the help :)
[18:22] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:22] <dholbach> ScottK, something during the installation wants it in
[18:22] <ScottK> dholbach: Yep.  That would be a bug ....
[18:22] <dholbach> yep
[18:23] <dholbach> alright my friends, I call it a day, still need to prepare a few other things over here
[18:23] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day and see you tomorrow!
[18:23]  * fader_ updates the wiki for persistence to be more clear.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping
[18:24] <sbeattie> fader_: one thing to watch for is that if install packages into the persistent live image for one arch and then try to use that persistent image for another arch, things will be... unhappy.
[18:25] <fader_> sbeattie: Heh, good to know.  I had planned to re-mkfs it before using it for future tests anyway, as it seems like a good idea to not have holdovers from earlier builds anyway
[18:25] <fader_> But that info might save me a headache in the future ;)
[18:26] <sbeattie> fader_: yeah. might be best to add wiping the partition to the testcase.
[18:26] <fader_> Good idea, I'll do that now
[18:30] <ara> kvm is getting on my nerves today
[18:30]  * fader_ -> lunch
[18:39] <cyphermox> cjwatson, usb stick created without persistence, I was able to complete the desktop i386 install
[18:53] <cjwatson> dholbach seems to have been using the old image.  His problem is what I respun for.
[18:53] <cjwatson> cyphermox: excellent, thanks
[19:01] <charlie-tca> still downloading; 40 minutes left
[19:04] <skaet> ScottK, ara,  first attempt at Kubuntu install through WUBI from CD didn't seem to work.  How long should the Kubuntu splash screen be on during the reboot, before going to desktop?
[19:05] <ara> skaet, I am not a Wubi expert, sorry, maybe ScottK knows better
[19:05] <ScottK> skaet: Kubuntu starts up much slower than Ubuntu, but I've never used WUBI, so no idea what's reasonable.
[19:05] <cyphermox> skaet, last time I did the tests it wasn't *that* long
[19:05] <cyphermox> skaet, a minute maybe?
[19:06] <skaet> last time I did it (10.04.1) was about 3-4 minutes was my memory.
[19:06]  * ScottK pokes at jibel to see if he knows.
[19:08] <cyphermox> skaet, in a VM or on metal?
[19:08] <skaet> metal
[19:14] <skaet> \o/ patience is rewarded - it took about 8 minutes, then went into another reboot, and I now I have a desktop.
[19:15]  * ScottK calls that a win.
[19:16]  * cyphermox is trying amd64 and i386 in VMs right now
[19:17] <marjo__> cjwatson: finally, successful install and boot of ubuntu studio i386!
[19:17] <skaet> ScottK,  worth putting a note in the release notes about the time to be patient?
[19:17] <cjwatson> marjo__: yay
[19:18] <ScottK> skaet: I'd say not.
[19:18] <marjo__> cjwatson: tested w/ virtualbox, not physical hw
[19:18] <marjo__> cjwatson: what magic did you have to do w/ the image?
[19:18] <skaet> ScottK,  ack
[19:18] <cjwatson> respin.  it was just archive skew
[19:19] <cjwatson> I rebuilt before the ubuntustudio-meta build had made it into the archive
[19:19] <cjwatson> which was an upload to fix this bug, so ...
[19:19] <cjwatson> I should have noticed it before posting, since there was an entry for it in report.html
[19:20] <marjo__> cjwatson, pedro: ack; so my dvd burner and brasero may still be ok
[19:20] <marjo__> pedro_ ^^^
[19:20] <cjwatson> well, it doesn't account for your earlier md5sum problems
[19:21] <cjwatson> it accounts for the failure at "Select and install packages"
[19:21] <pedro_> marjo__, roger that
[19:21] <marjo__> cjwatson: oh, yes, that was with swh-plugins
[19:22] <ScottK> Anyone able to do Kubuntu Lucid -> Maverick upgrade on amd64 test?
[19:22] <ScottK> Also need a Kubuntu liver amd64 autoresize test....
[19:23] <cyphermox> ScottK, autoresize I can test it shortly
[19:23] <cyphermox> I already have the iso downloaded
[19:23] <marjo__> cyphermox: thx
[19:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:23] <fader_> ScottK: I filed a but about the live amd64 autoresize but I'd like someone else to see if they can reproduce: bug 628815
[19:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628815 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Cannot resize from kubuntu partitioner (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628815
[19:23] <fader_> cyphermox: ^^
[19:23] <cjwatson> fader_: ScottK already reproduced that, and it goes together with the bug about inappropriate "Guided" IMO
[19:24] <cyphermox> yup
[19:24] <fader_> cjwatson: Okay, thanks... I missed that he'd seen it
[19:24] <cyphermox> fader_, I pinged ScottK about it earlier
[19:24]  * ScottK was ranting in #ubuntu-installer, not here.
[19:24] <fader_> Hehe
[19:31] <cjwatson> Guided> (bug 628864)
[19:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628864 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""Guided" install does no guiding and wipes out existing install without warning (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628864
[19:38] <ScottK> Yeah. That's the one where the ranting came in.
[19:49] <cyphermox> ScottK, confirming Kubuntu Desktop amd64 also doesn't have the auto-resize
[19:49] <ScottK> cyphermox: Thanks.
[19:55]  * cyphermox syncs the ubuntu dvd amd64
[20:05] <charlie-tca> ubuntustudio 64bit full disk install running in VBox
[20:39] <ameetp> Hankyone:  Could try the kernel suggested in bug 561802 when you get a chance
[20:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 561802 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "[i915] blank screen on Latitude E6410 (affects: 37) (heat: 232)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561802
[20:41] <Hankyone> ameetp: sure
[20:41] <ameetp> thanks
[20:52] <ameetp> Hankyone:  bug 519066 as well please
[20:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519066 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "Microphone doesn't work on Dell Precision M6500 (affects: 10) (dups: 1) (heat: 74)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519066
[20:52] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: ubuntustudio amd64: how's it going?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> select and install software 93%
[20:52] <charlie-tca> oops, installing grub
[20:52] <charlie-tca> looks good
[20:53] <charlie-tca> It looks like it worked to me. I am just waiting for grub and reboot
[20:56] <charlie-tca> ubuntustudio amd 64 full disk install completed
[20:56] <marjo__> charlie-tca: thx
[20:57] <Hankyone> ameetp: on it
[20:57] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:57] <ameetp> Hankyone: thank you
[20:59] <jibel> ScottK, I'm unable to complete the test of Kubuntu Wubi because of grub.
[21:00] <ScottK> jibel: OK.  We got another tester, so it's OK.
[21:00] <jibel> My setup is a dual boot XP/Lucid.
[21:01] <jibel> ScottK, I install Kubuntu in windows on a file, the installation runs fine
[21:01] <ScottK> OK.
[21:01]  * ScottK has little idea about Windows stuff.
[21:02] <jibel> ScottK, but when I restart, I have grub 0.95 -> windows bootloader -> grub 0.98 with no entry for kubuntu only the lucid entries
[21:02] <ScottK> OK.  If I knew a thing about wubi, I might know what to do about that.
[21:02] <cjwatson> grub 0.95?!
[21:02]  * ScottK steps aside for the grub police.
[21:03] <jibel> yes.
[21:03] <cjwatson> where did that get dug up from?
[21:03] <cjwatson> wubi should be grub 2 across the board nowadays
[21:03] <cjwatson> not that I can really look now, just wanted to express WTF
[21:04] <jibel> cjwatson, I don't know this system has been upgraded since gutsy.
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Do I have to tell you publish Xubuntu? I am new at this project lead thing
[21:04] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: I probably ought to have asked, but I did it because it looked OK :-)
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I am glad.
[21:04] <cjwatson> if I should unpublish it and hold off for something or other, then tell me *that*
[21:05] <charlie-tca> It looks ready, and I usually speak up if it is not ready
[21:05] <cjwatson> ok
[21:05] <cjwatson> I only waited for ubuntustudio because people were unsure for a bit
[21:05] <charlie-tca> I am running an upgrade test yet, but don't want to wait for that
[21:08] <jibel> cjwatson, I confirm the version 0.95 is the main grub and 1.98 has been installed by kubuntu (not 0.98 sorry)
[21:08] <cjwatson> ah, that's more like it
[21:08] <cjwatson> anyway, don't know for the moment sorry
[22:51] <marjo__> cjwatson: ubuntu studio manual partitioning test case passed
[22:51] <cjwatson> cool
[22:53] <cyphermox> I'm still waiting after d-i on ubuntu dvd amd64, and burning another dvd for live persistence...
[22:54] <cyphermox> persistence didn't seem to get to start, I was getting some errors reading .so files in e.g. gconftool :/
[22:56] <marjo__> folks: thx to everyone for all of your testing efforts! we really appreciate it
[23:22] <cyphermox> cjwatson; completed dvd amd64 d-i and live w/ persistence.
[23:22] <cyphermox> i cannot mark it as such now, we just had a fire alarm in the office :)