[02:45] <rlameiro> ScottL: are you there?
[02:47] <holstein> hey rlameiro :)
[02:47] <holstein> long time no see
[02:50] <rlameiro> hey bass juggler
[02:50] <rlameiro> :D
[02:50] <rlameiro> how are your finger tips?
[02:50] <ScottL> hi rlameiro 
[02:50] <ScottL> how are you doing?
[02:51] <rlameiro> vacations over
[02:51] <rlameiro> ScottL: did you saw that thing on the ML?
[02:51] <rlameiro> I send a reply now
[02:51] <ScottL> rlameiro, about the website?
[02:51] <rlameiro> the guy started to quote things
[02:51] <rlameiro> then I quoted back
[02:51] <rlameiro> ScottL: yeap
[02:52] <rlameiro> ScottL: check it ou
[02:52] <rlameiro> *out
[02:53] <ScottL> rlameiro, lol, that's a good one ;)
[02:55] <rlameiro> ScottL: I hate when people quote things for the sole purpose of using it for self benefit
[02:55] <rlameiro> the world suffered a lot because of that
[12:42] <jussi> PEOPLES!!!!!!!!!! if we dont test the beta, it wont be released!! TEST TEST TEST!!! URGENT!!! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
[12:46] <jussi> quadrispro: ScottL TheMuso persia astraljava abogani holstein ^^
[12:48] <quadrispro> jussi, emailing ubuntu italian testing team about that, I am not able to test anything now :(
[12:48] <jussi> quadrispro: thanks
[14:58] <scott-work> my ignorance may be slightly embarrasing but i really would like to understand this process
[14:59] <scott-work> the beta ISO was made available two days (i think) and there's pressure to get the ISO testing before the end of today?
[14:59] <scott-work> are we expected to test the ISO's before it's offical release?  is this just for the Beta and RC?
[15:00] <scott-work> jussi, TheMuso, persia ^^^
[15:01] <falktx> hi scott-work
[15:01] <falktx> scott-work: i'm thinking of making an ubuntustudio liveDVD soon, just for fun
[15:02] <scott-work> falktx: holstein was mentioned this as well, that would be awesome i think
[15:02] <scott-work> falktx: how do you build your current ISO's?  remastersys and then host the ISO on sourceforge?
[15:02] <falktx> scott-work: i'm making kxstudio from scratch now (was previously based on kubuntu), so I now know how to do it
[15:02] <falktx> scott-work: scratch, really start from nothing
[15:02] <scott-work> how would you make the liveDVD?  remastersys or similar?
[15:03] <falktx> i can show you my little script
[15:03] <scott-work> falktx: but how do you actually build the ISO?
[15:03] <scott-work> falktx: yes please
[15:03] <falktx> scott-work: everything is made on a chroot
[15:03] <scott-work> hmmm, i think i may have read something about this on the wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:04] <falktx> scott-work: first installing the basic packages, then keep adding new ones (usually just 1 or 2 metapackages that depends on everything else)
[15:04] <falktx> scott-work: yes, i got some info from there too
[15:04] <falktx> scott-work: then the ISO is just made using ubuntu stuff as base (artwork, grubfx, syslinux, boot, etc)
[15:05] <falktx> i just modify the artwork and text to KXStudio
[15:06] <falktx> I couldnt make a custom alternate dvd though...
[15:06] <falktx> scott-work: the scripts - http://ppa.launchpad.net/falk-t-j/kxstudio/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kxstudio-scripts/kxstudio-scripts_0.5~ppa2.tar.gz
[15:06] <falktx> scott-work: it's the 'kxstudio-create-iso' that you would want to look at
[15:08] <scott-work> falktx: persia had mentioned that building a live cd would include using casper and ubuiqity, are you doing this as well
[15:08] <falktx> scott-work: yes
[15:08] <falktx> scott-work: you would need to theme the ubiquity though, or it will look exactly like the ubuntu installer
[15:09] <falktx> scott-work: making a live ISO it's usually simple as running these commands:
[15:09] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso mount <base-iso-img>
[15:09] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso squash
[15:09] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso custom
[15:09] <falktx> (here install stuff)
[15:09] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso custom_end
[15:09] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso mkboot <path-to-artwork>
[15:10] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso mkart <path-to-artwork>
[15:10] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso md5sum
[15:10] <falktx> kxstudio-create-iso iso <name>
[15:10] <falktx> and it's done
[15:10] <falktx> the mkboot and mkart steps are optional
[15:13] <falktx> scott-work: i should get a testing ISO build next week
[15:14] <falktx> scott-work: i'll let you know how it goes
[15:14] <scott-work> sweet
[15:15] <falktx> scott-work: it is ok to add my ppa to it?
[15:15] <falktx> scott-work: maybe also calf-plugins git version
[15:18] <falktx> btw, I noticed a refresh of ubuntustudio-meta package
[15:19] <falktx> new apps coming?
[15:27] <scott-work> falktx: we removed the -rt headers in us-meta as the -rt kernel has been removed from the archives
[15:34] <falktx> scott-work: oh, which kernel do you recommend?
[15:37] <scott-work> falktx: -generic
[15:37] <scott-work> falktx: the studio team needs to address a few issues with the kernel team about moving forward (which i completely forgot to do yesterday! arghh)
[15:38] <falktx> scott-work: i was thinking about putting 2.6.33-rt on the live dvd...
[15:42] <scott-work> holstein: are you available to test the amd64 ISO images ?
[15:54] <falktx> scott-work: i'll be able to test it soon, as I'll format my laptop again once I build a new testing ISO...
[15:56] <falktx> scott-work: what do we need to test?
[16:36] <scott-work> we basically need all the ISO images tested in the next day or so, falktx 
[16:36] <scott-work> i think i can handle the i386 this evening
[16:36] <falktx> scott-work: but I mean, just to check if it installs? or you need any specific testing?
[16:37] <scott-work> checking the ISO is just to see if the image installs
[16:37] <scott-work> i just learned from #ubuntu-release that there is a two or three day window that the iso.qa tests are intended to validate the iso images themselves
[16:38] <scott-work> during the rest of the time before the next iso image release is for testing the OS, applications, settings, et al
[16:38] <falktx> ok, i'll test how jack is performing in a default maverick install
[16:39] <falktx> 64bit
[16:41] <holstein> jussi scott-work , when do these need to be tested?
[16:42] <holstein> i think i could do it sunday or monday
[16:53] <scott-work> holstein: that is probably too late :(   we'll find another way
[16:54] <holstein> scott-work: im going to join #ubuntu-release
[16:54] <holstein> and see
[16:54] <holstein> i can probably do some today
[16:54]  * holstein is checking schedule :)
[17:04] <holstein> yeah, im gonna make it happen today
[17:05] <holstein> the amd64 's
[17:06] <holstein> scott-work jussi this iso correct?
[17:06] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[17:18] <scott-work> holstein: try this one:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
[17:20] <holstein> scott-work: but thats the iso right?
[17:20] <holstein> the daily?
[17:25] <scott-work> i'm not sure actually, presumably it should be...you could compare the md5sums
[17:25] <holstein> hmmm
[17:25] <holstein> comapare them with?
[17:25] <holstein> im not seeing any indication at iso tracker as to what iso to test
[17:26] <holstein> maybe you or jussi just dropped me a link last time or something
[17:26] <holstein> i cant remember how i knew which version to get
[17:27] <scott-work> holstein: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4523
[17:28] <holstein> :)
[17:28] <scott-work> on the link i had given before , first click on the 64bit test, then look for the picture of an arrow pointed down over a cd (near the top)
[17:28] <scott-work> it's kinda a crappy and hidden link :(
[17:29] <scott-work> coloring it red or blue or fuscua (sp?) or mauve or even aubergine would be nicer
[17:32]  * holstein vaguely rembering something like that now
[17:32] <holstein> ANYWAYS, thanks scott-work 
[17:33] <holstein> i didnt want to do all this work on the wrong ISO :0
[17:33] <scott-work> holstein: LOL, yeah, that would have been teh sux
[17:39] <holstein> scott-work jussi 
[17:39] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4529
[17:39] <holstein> thats for the i386 one
[17:39] <holstein> This build wasn't found on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20100902.1/maverick-alternate-i386.iso (may no longer exists)
[17:41] <scott-work> i'm seeing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4524 for i386 which does download
[17:41] <holstein> scott-work: thanks
[17:43] <scott-work> but i should be able to get the i386 this evening if you don't want to worry about and focus on the amd64
[17:44] <holstein> 12:25 < cjwatson> holstein: as long as you test 20100902.1 not 20100902
[17:44] <holstein> scott-work: i think thats the older one
[17:44] <holstein> scott-work: its not me
[17:44] <scott-work> gah...yeah and now i see more images coming from email :/
[17:45] <holstein> somebody else in -release was trying to DL it
[17:49] <holstein> yeah, i just wasnt in yet
[17:49] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4529
[17:49] <holstein> that is working now
[17:49] <scott-work> cool
[17:49] <scott-work> holstein: but please focus on amd64 first, i can always get teh i386 this evening myself
[17:50]  * holstein not doing any i386
[17:50] <holstein> but maybe that guy in -release will do all the 386 stuff while your at work :)
[17:53] <scott-work> that would be sweet as well :)
[17:54] <scott-work> and thanks holstein , i really appreciate doing this
[18:56] <persia> scott-work, There is a test phase to confirm the final ISOs.
[18:57] <scott-work> persia: that is what i understand now after talking with ara and cjwatson in #ubuntu-release
[18:57] <scott-work> my misunderstanding what the time table and purpose
[18:58] <persia> Ah, OK.  I'm still behind on backscroll, but glad you got good answers from folks who know more details than I.
[18:58] <quadrispro> hi guys!
[18:58] <quadrispro> hi persia, scott-work 
[18:58] <scott-work> hi quadrispro !
[18:59] <quadrispro> scott-work, naspro is sitting in Debian NEW :(
[18:59] <quadrispro> I've packaged naspro-core, naspro-bridges-bad and permafrost
[18:59] <scott-work> i'm guessing there is a reason it's sitting there rather than moving on?
[19:00] <quadrispro> yep, squeeze is frozen and there are more important things to manage for now
[19:01] <scott-work> oh, i've been meaning to bug you about quadrispro 
[19:01] <scott-work> when you are looking forward for new things to package, can you update the swh-plugin ?
[19:01] <quadrispro> I remember that I had a look some time ago...
[19:02] <quadrispro> ahh!
[19:02] <quadrispro> scott-work, talking about this? http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/swh-plugins.html
[19:02] <scott-work> i think the current version in the archives do not include the lv2 plugins
[19:03] <scott-work> quadrispro: yes, that should be it :)
[19:03] <quadrispro> so swh-plugins provides sources for LV2 stuff?
[19:04] <quadrispro> if the package does, we can fix it on Ubuntu
[19:05]  * quadrispro away for just 8-10 minutes
[19:10] <holstein> scott-work: SO
[19:10] <holstein> these are failing for me
[19:10] <holstein> at the 'select and install software' step
[19:10] <scott-work> argh, sorry quadrispro, i might be wrong about swh lv2 stuff...i apparently misread swh's website, it looks like we might already have the lv2 stuff in ubuntu, i'll check it out this weekend
[19:10] <holstein> and thats with me *not* selecting any packages
[19:10]  * holstein confirmed the md5
[19:10] <quadrispro> ok
[19:11] <scott-work> holstein: i ran into the same problem two nights ago with the i386
[19:11] <scott-work> i had hoped that updating ubuntustudio-meta would fix that :(
[19:12] <scott-work> holstein: can you report the bug and link it in the ISO tracker?
[19:12] <holstein> i'l try
[19:12] <holstein> let me do the last one just to be done with it
[19:13] <holstein> scott-work: have you noticed a current bug report for it?
[19:13] <holstein> i know there is one for when you *do* select a certain package
[19:14] <scott-work> holstein: i tried it both ways the other night and got a failure for installing software in both cases so the problem isn't with the actual software selection portion
[19:14] <scott-work> so i would link to the same bug myself
[19:14]  * holstein will look for one
[19:14] <holstein> and make a new one if not
[19:14] <holstein> andd link it up :)
[19:18] <scott-work> thanks again, holstein!
[19:18] <holstein> no problem
[19:18] <holstein> its really not a gruling as i was thining it wouldd be
[19:19] <holstein> and im going to leave my studio box in a state that makes it easier to test with it in the future
[19:19] <scott-work> #628981
[19:19] <scott-work> bug 628981
[19:19] <holstein> OH
[19:19] <holstein> is that the culprit
[19:20] <scott-work> hmmm, i had expected this to be fixed by the respin because persia and i removed the -rt headers from the ubuntustudio-meta :(
[19:23] <persia> Might have been a timing thing: it may be that the task generation script in launchpad (which defines the tasks) ran at a different-than-expected time.
[19:24] <scott-work> persia: should i ask cjwatson for *another* respin but mention the us-meta update ?
[19:24]  * persia is checking caches
[19:25] <persia> There's something ugly about the ubuntustudio tasks :(
[19:27] <persia> N: Couldn't find task 'ubuntustudio-desktop'
[19:27] <persia> `apt-cache show evince` doesn't show the ubuntustudio-desktop task, but "evince" clearly appears in ubuntustudio.maverick/desktop
[19:29] <persia> Someone else may be able to figure out more, but I don't expect to be able to understand why it's behaving so oddly before we miss the final Beta deadline.
[19:30] <holstein> :/
[19:31] <persia> Indeed :(
[19:32] <holstein> who can we get?
[19:32] <holstein> JFo: ??
[19:38] <holstein> ping me if i can help
[19:38] <holstein> i reported on all the test cases for amd64
[19:39] <scott-work> unfortunately, my back is up against a wall at work, maybe in about three hours i can spend more time
[19:39]  * scott-work has already spent more time today than i should on non-work related stuff :(
[19:40] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4529/222
[19:40] <holstein> that seems promising
[20:04] <scott-work> holstein: thanks for interfacing with cjwatson about that :)
[20:04] <scott-work> hopefully that fixes it
[20:05] <holstein> scott-work: im going to be a while though
[20:05] <holstein> but i'll just keek talking to cj about what im doing
[20:06] <holstein> i think as long as someone is testing, we're goodd
[20:11] <JFo> holstein?
[20:11] <JFo> you rang?
[20:11] <holstein> JFo: hey
[20:11] <holstein> i think i sorted it out
[20:11] <JFo> hiya
[20:11] <JFo> ah, cool
[20:11] <holstein> i grabbed an iso too early it seems :)
[20:12] <JFo> heh
[20:12] <holstein> which is an easy problem to remedy
[20:17]  * persia forwards bug #622583 to the archive-admins to complete the -rt removals.
[22:51] <holstein> we are good to go with 64bit iso tests :)
[22:51] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4528
[23:09] <holstein> actually, we're good with all of them :)
[23:09] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4529