=== JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: KDE 4.5.1 packaging http://ツ.tv/4a | Maverick Beta released! | Todo: http://ツ.tv/4c | Milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 [01:41] Hi, I think I've found a problem in kopete, more specific than that it crashes all the time [01:41] if you don't have kopete-gcall installed, it still allows you to create an xmpp account, but then complains about missing binaries and advises you to check your installation [01:49] any thoughts? [01:57] Riddell: Pong [02:02] * ryanakca reboots after upgrading to Maverick, hopefully I'll return :) [02:19] no thoughts? [02:21] jcgs: it's 3 am in western europe ;) lots of people sleeping here I guess [02:22] only 2am in britain [02:22] right, i'm in france ;) [02:23] but that means it's 9pm in new york and 6pm in san fransisco [02:23] most of the kubuntu developers are in europe ;) [02:39] who had the bug/question on kopete? [02:39] i can validate it [02:39] moi === jjesse-netbook_ is now known as jjesse-netbook [02:40] jjesse-netbook: i did, should i report it on kde? [02:41] jjesse-netbook: or on launchpad? [02:41] i think launchpad as it migth be a way choqok is packaged? [02:41] sry meant kopete [02:43] will do [02:47] It would be helpful if a download link would be added to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-maverick-meerkat-1010-beta-released [02:48] ryanakca: ^^ [02:50] jcgs: yes we need to fix that [02:50] jcgs: do file a bug on launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork and let me know the number [02:52] 629217 sorry, it's filed under kopete atm [02:52] Riddell: As you probably saw in -release, I'm trying to dribble 4.5.1 into the archive in a semi-orderly manner. [02:52] ScottK: so I see, thanks [02:52] Wasn't it foresightful of me to get cjwatson to leave the queue under my control for the night .... [02:53] don't let the power go to your head :) [02:53] If only armel weren't omfg slow we could do this without retries. [02:54] * ScottK needs apachelogger to go next door to Italy and counsel lex79 on using build-deps we actuallly have in the archive. [02:55] what's wrong? [02:55] lex79: We don't have qt4-x11 rc1 in the archive yet. [02:56] * ScottK had to reupload kdebindings. [02:56] (not a huge problem) [02:57] you can queue up qt4-x11 though [02:57] * Riddell snoozes [02:57] ScottK: usually we upload qt4-x11 before all packages...well not a huge problem like you said [02:57] ;) [02:58] lex79: Planning on doing it after kde, since the time between when at finishes building on i386 and when it finishes on other archs any kde package will ftbfs. [02:58] Were is qt4-x11 to upload? [02:58] in bzr I think [02:58] and in ninja ppa [02:59] Would you please check if there's any stuff in bzr that's not in the PPA? [02:59] yes [02:59] Thanks. [03:03] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/629217 is that ok? [03:03] Launchpad bug 629217 in kopete (Ubuntu) "incomplete separation of kopete and kopete-gcall" [Undecided,New] [03:05] * ScottK gentle taps shadeslayer on the arm and points ^^^ [03:08] ScottK: in ninja ppa there is a new binary package libqt4-openvg, which is not present in bzr...I think it comes from the merge with debian [03:09] lex79: I think we better leave it for Riddell or apachelogger to sort out in the morning. I haven't been following it. [03:09] lex79: Thanks for checking. [03:10] no problem [03:20] I copied 4.5.1 for Lucid in backport ppa, if someone want make the announcement in kubuntu.org [03:22] what is this veromix option in the systray's extra items section? [03:23] nevermind found the info [03:25] ryanakca: ^^^^ [03:25] (4.5.1 announcement) [03:25] It's built enough on Maverick that announcing is fine with the usual "packages are still building" caveat. [03:35] ScottK: kdeedu and kdeartwork are in queue or we still have to upload them? [03:35] lex79: In queue. [03:35] ok [03:40] Silly me, I chose to dist upgrade while only part of 4.5.1 was in Maverick [03:40] lex79: Will do [03:40] thanks [03:51] Riddell: I'm off to bed. Assuming slangasek accepts kdeedu an hour from now like I asked on -release and it's built, published, etc, the way ought to be clear for you to accept the balance of KDE stuff. [03:52] Riddell: I'd prefer it if we held off on Qt until we got done building KDE (or at least get the builds started) [03:55] Good night all. [04:13] KDE 4.5.1 announcement up [04:19] txwikinger: A download link wasn't added directly to the announcement (rather on the instructions linked to from the announcement) to make people work a bit (read instructions) before doing something that could potentially break their system... but if it's an issue and nobody objects, I can do it in the morning [04:22] ah === shadeslayer is now known as Guest3799 === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === artnay_ is now known as artnay [09:17] ScottK: I am not sure I computewhat there is to sort out ^^ [09:17] good morning Kubuntu btw :) [09:52] Riddell: is it intentional that you did not set rekonq as default browser in the default apps kcm? [10:11] Mamarok: does kubuntu-users have a moderation queue? [10:11] * apachelogger doesnt really wanna subscribe to post something [10:11] ulysses: pingypingypingy [10:12] hrrr [10:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/487705/ [10:13] doki doki time! [10:13] jussi: update your cache :P [10:13] and do not use silly mirrors :P [10:13] * jussi changes the mirror........ [10:15] apachelogger: yeah, was .fi mirror issue, works with main [10:15] * jussi slaps mirrors [10:16] jussi: since it was a 403 I suppose the mirror locks while syncing with archive (random guess0 [10:17] apachelogger: ahh, that would make sense. thanks! [10:19] apachelogger: a queue not, we actually do react daily [10:19] but I can of course moderate you :) [10:20] once I have managed to disable akonadi as it is running wild here, killing doesn't help [10:20] any hints how I can do that? [10:20] googling is not possible, the system is thrashing like mad [10:21] it takes 2 minutes from one desktop to another :( [10:21] Mamarok: depends on what task is running wild [10:21] killall -9 akonadifoo [10:21] foo replaced by the name ^^ [10:21] well, I would like to stop akonadi and stop it to start itself uèp again permanently [10:21] or in ksysguard send terminate or some such to all akonadis [10:21] I aloready tried that, doesn't work [10:21] and the system settings are such a mess I can't find anything in there anymore [10:21] -9 should always work [10:22] well [10:22] well, it still starts again [10:22] there is a search ;) [10:22] yeah [10:22] I do think you cannot stop it from starting [10:22] Mamarok: you could try deleting /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Akonadi.Control.service [10:23] if that fixes it it will however reapppear whenever akonadi-server gets updated [10:23] OK, I restart my KDE, moment, that is getting out of control here [10:30] Xand3r: lol, my fan club now has a channel :O [10:33] apachelogger: hey :) where is it? [10:33] Mamarok: what? [10:34] the fanclub channel :) [10:34] oh [10:34] #we-love-harald [10:34] the launchpad page says at least [10:34] hm [10:34] plasma-mobile segfaults on me :( [10:35] apachelogger: and why are you not in there? [10:35] I am not a fan of self love :P [10:35] or do you want to worship me ;) [10:36] of course :) [10:37] btw, didn't you ask to have a mail moderated in kubuntu-users? [10:37] me kicks plasma-mobile and starts setting up kmail so he can spam again [10:37] Mamarok: yeah, not now though [10:37] was just a general question whether I need to register to spam ^^ [10:53] Riddell, ulysses, ryanakca: I think we need to streamline how we refer to versions in publications [10:54] if I did not know that "10.10 == Maverick Meerkat" then I would be jolly confused over various things we write from day to day [10:56] ryanakca: please list the ninjas that have contributed to 4.5.1 (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging) instead of just refering to them as ninjas [10:56] ryanakca: also please add a picture to the news [11:15] apachelogger: the general rule is we use codenames up to beta and numbers from beta onwards [11:40] * apachelogger gets a headache from argument parsing [11:40] Riddell: I wonder if that makes sense from a readers POV [11:56] apachelogger: Well, if you use both in an announcement title, most should be able to induce... but I may be wrong [11:56] maybe, maybe not [11:57] it gets especially sick if you mix two series [11:57] like in the august team report [11:57] where one line goes on abut lucid and maverick and the other talks about 10.10 [11:59] Nightrose: you know, I think the release-script redesign is a fail [11:59] I do not seem to see a sane approach on how to integrate option parsing [12:06] Hmmm... it would be nice if people also put their real name in Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging. It reminds me of the big debate when Canonical insisted that all LP beta testers use their full name, presumably because nobody wants to report to a client "Oh, yes, 133tkid_pwnsU2 reported/fixed that bug". Although I can associate most IRC nicks and real names, it's sometimes hard to remember if a name has two 's' or just one, etc. [12:07] true [12:07] personally I would like to have a macro for that :P [12:07] like @SIG@ [12:07] @ME@ [12:18] apachelogger: pongypongypongy [12:18] ulysses: publish report? [12:19] here? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports/August2010#Kubuntu Team [12:19] to groups of interest :P [12:20] users, devs, whoever else [12:20] + microblog it [12:20] flood it everywhere! [12:20] exactly ^^ [12:20] * apachelogger dented [12:21] ulysses: as long as you are ok with publishing I will send the mails too [12:21] do we want to send it to anyone but users and devs? [12:21] send it to the ubuntu-news team for sure [12:21] okidoki [12:21] apachelogger: we can publish it [12:29] Rekonq is default again? [12:30] was it not? [12:30] rekonq 0.5 crashed „sometimes”, I thought it was replaced with Konqueror [12:32] no one did it [12:33] the new Ubiquity seems good [12:35] begin [12:35] eval(vcs).new() [12:35] rescue NameError [12:35] sick [12:35] apachelogger: :/ [12:36] ? [12:36] Nightrose: there is an uncanny difficulty in supporting arguments, on-the-fly-queries and config parsing [12:37] i see [12:37] though, arguments and config probably are the easiest since they can be cascaded [12:38] on-the-fly-queries however can, as the name suggests, be executed at any given point at runtime, meaning they could be before config/args or after them, before other foo is initialized or after... [12:38] Nightrose: do you think it woul be a great loss if we killed queries? [12:39] apachelogger: and instead only have a config file? [12:39] or? [12:39] config and args [12:39] * apachelogger needs to twist his head to support the legacy create_tarball config ^^ [12:40] well config and args is ok with me [12:40] maybe I can keep querying too [12:41] I just need to find a way to make it expectable at what point in a class execution cycle it tries to do stuff [12:44] heya [12:44] We don't ship digikam by default anymore? [12:45] nope [12:45] too fat [12:45] also it got horrible UX [12:45] also gwenview does most of the regular things anyway [12:46] yeah, it's not perfect, but gwenview does not seem to support USB cameras [12:46] dolphin should via kamera slave I think [12:46] there's the kamera KIO but it was horribly slow last time I tried it [12:46] well [12:47] not installed by default either too [12:47] gphoto is the lib that would be needed to access some of the prop transfer protocols I think [12:47] and gphoto as the g suggests is fat too :P [12:47] Description: gphoto2 digital camera library [12:47] The gphoto2 library can be used by applications to access various [12:47] digital camera models, via standard protocols such as USB Mass Storage [12:47] and PTP, or vendor-specific protocols. [12:48] kamera already depends on libgphoto2 [12:48] I guess it's just using it in a really inefficient way [12:49] *shrug* [12:49] * smarter is going to take a look at the code [13:02] argh [13:02] * apachelogger kicks the release scritp [13:06] apachelogger: The qt4x-11 in ninjas and in bzr diverge somewhat. Didn't know what to upload. [13:10] isn't debfx the one to ask about that? [13:11] I also have a patch from agateau to fix global menu in designer so hold off until I get that in [13:13] our backports PPA is full, anyone object to me removing the karmic packages? [13:14] ScottK: are you sure? there shouldn't be a difference [13:15] debfx: lex79 said there was when he looked. He might have been mistaken. [13:15] Riddell: Are the karmic packages all in -backports now? [13:16] Riddell: Nevermind. You said backports PPA. [13:16] No objection. [13:23] qt4 in ninjas and in bzr are the same except for the changelog, it's all good [13:27] OK. [13:28] KDE 4.5.1 is close enough to built (except armel, but that will take approximately forever), that there's no need to wait. [13:29] let me add in agateau's patch [13:31] apachelogger: where are the files that control what shows up in the new peripheral plasmoid stored? [13:32] smarter: peripheral plasmoid? [13:32] the one that shows up when you plug a usb key/put a cdrom in the tray [13:33] smarter: I take it by show up you mean actions that are available? [13:33] the actual devices are discovered via solid and there via hal [13:33] yes, I'm looking for the files that control the available actions [13:34] /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions [13:34] or .kde/share/apps/solid/actions/ for user's [13:35] kdepim beta 3 up up and away [13:35] gah === Guest3799 is now known as shadeslayer [13:35] apachelogger: thanks! === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Maverick Beta released! | Todo: http://ツ.tv/4c | Milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 [13:36] shadeslayer: is it usable? [13:37] apachelogger: havent installed it, but was usable in beta 2, so id guess it should be now as well [13:37] doesnt hurt to try, we have ppa-purge now :P [13:37] I am more concerned with my data :P [13:38] when I tried with b2 akonadi_imap was running wild because I have so many folders and mails [13:38] save it first -> install new beta -> remove and restore if you dont like it :P [13:38] i guess i only have one gmail account so it didnt affect me [13:40] awesome new kubuntu website [13:40] shadeslayer: saving all my shit takes like forever :P [13:40] hehe :P [13:40] shadeslayer: last time I went like OH DEAR DARTH VADER [13:40] then I went to bed [13:40] but in the feature tour it says "exprienced" instead of "experienced" in one of the headings :) [13:40] and in the morning it was done ^^ [13:41] ryanakca: ^ typosite [13:41] or ofirk ^ [13:42] ok both kdepim and kdepim-runtime in experimental :) [13:42] apachelogger: Okay, there was a typo in the solid_camera.desktop that prevented it from working, I'll fix that as soon as I remember how bzr works and what branch to use :p [13:42] lol [13:42] good luck with that [13:42] * apachelogger got lost in the branches the other day [13:43] we should use git :p [13:43] apachelogger: i dont suppose bzr does : bzr branch : like : git branch : right? [13:43] * apachelogger had all of the stuff branched on his old laptop, and now needs to find the branches again ^^ [13:43] smarter: I do tend to agree [13:43] shadeslayer: no, you need separate directories [13:43] seems i caught the lp builders at the right time [13:43] see [13:43] smarter: that is so much fail :/ [13:43] bzr is made so that bzr can be lazy :P [13:43] true [13:44] you are supposed to have a meta directory in which you branch [13:44] yep, git is clever [13:44] and then you branch that branch within the meta dr [13:44] dir [13:44] smarter: You don't need separate directories, bzr can do in place switched. [13:44] oh? cool! [13:44] which is not how apachelogger does it, because apachelogger does not stand that sort of pointless nesting :P [13:44] * ScottK doesn't recall how, consult #bzr for details. [13:44] I'll have to look into that [13:45] apachelogger: by the way, I think we should extend the gwenview_importer solid actions so that it works for cameras too, it's rather nice to use and probably a lot less confusing for your average use than drag&dropping [13:46] s/use/user [13:46] smarter: ping agateau about that maybe [13:46] agateau: ^ [13:46] * agateau has a highlight on "gwenview" :) [13:46] haha :) [13:46] qt4 uploading [13:47] smarter: sounds like a good idea [13:47] smarter: I do not have a usb camera to test, but I'd welcome patches :) [13:48] okay, I'll do a patch, put it in our bzr branch and give you the link [13:48] smarter: great [13:49] * ScottK pokes at Tm_T about powerpc testing. [13:49] * smarter is going to have lunch first, though :p [13:52] something happened with freenode right? [13:53] as in.. loads of people quit at the same time.. could be a netsplit.. cant tell [13:55] sheytan: rekonq is ins Feature freeze, and im planning to implement that feature sometime in the next release :P [13:58] ScottK: setting cd up, hopefully session running soonish [13:58] Tm_T: Cool. === bladernr__ is now known as bladernr_ [14:19] ... [14:19] kdepim-runtime for 32 bit fails, but 64 bit builds [14:20] help needed :P [14:20] Just upgraded from KDE 4.5 to 4.5.1 in 10.04 and for some reason kopete-gcall wasn't installed [14:20] how do you fix something like this .... [14:21] mfraz74: because it isnt supplied in lucid? [14:21] or is it? [14:21] it is in the PPA [14:21] as I just installed it [14:21] hmm [14:23] everything just looks so much better in rekonq [14:23] only tried rekonq once [14:24] mfraz74: which ppa? i dont see 4.5.1 packages in the backports ppa [14:25] apachelogger: haha : look at the drop down list and the "Filter" Button : http://imgur.com/ZUnFi [14:25] showpkg says 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ppa_backports_ubuntu_dists_lucid_main_binary-i386_Packages [14:26] * shadeslayer opens all the ppa's at once [14:26] :O ... i cant find it ... [14:26] whu [14:27] shadeslayer: looks alien, does i not [14:27] shadeslayer: does your kmail also have super large fonts? [14:27] apachelogger: with beta 3? [14:27] or just the 4.5.1 one? [14:27] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot10.png [14:27] beta3 [14:27] though I also had that in b2 [14:28] not sure where it comes from though [14:28] beta3 is the ftbfs and not fully built [14:28] apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+builds?build_state=building [14:29] you dont have beta3 yet :P [14:29] could be part of the kde network package [14:29] oh [14:29] and I thought I saw green icons in the ppa [14:29] *shrug* [14:29] I am getting old [14:29] apachelogger: till then advise on this : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/1945327 [14:30] amd64 builds fine but i386 doesnt [14:30] so I do have b3? [14:30] * apachelogger is confused [14:30] no [14:30] <- amd64 :P [14:30] apachelogger: you have kdepim-runtime beta3 [14:30] but not kdepim [14:30] ah [14:30] that would explain why akonadi_imap is not running wild [14:31] shadeslayer: so, pimruntime 386 fails? [14:31] apachelogger: any difference between astyle-kubuntu and kdescripts' astyle-kde? [14:31] and pim fails on both? [14:31] yes [14:31] no [14:31] PIM is building [14:31] pim-runtime fails on 386 [14:31] smarter: our's obeys the code style spec [14:31] smarter: not much difference though [14:32] pim seems to be almost built.... [14:32] I read the spec and I can't see any difference [14:32] shadeslayer: that error seems very random [14:32] (which is good :)) [14:32] smarter: look closer then :P [14:33] in any case the major difference that makes me use astyle-kubuntu is that it is in $PATH :P [14:33] apachelogger: ill retry it after kdepim is built then ... [14:33] smarter: the spec builds up on kdelibs' code style [14:33] shadeslayer: I did not say there is no cause :P [14:33] ... [14:34] apachelogger: tell me the cause :P [14:34] well, I do not know yet [14:34] ah [14:34] uh [14:34] eh [14:34] the fuck [14:34] kmail made all KDE fonts big as a monster [14:34] holy cow [14:34] *fix* [14:35] shadeslayer: you know [14:36] shadeslayer: it would be good to testbuild?! [14:36] i did! [14:36] but for amd64 [14:36] and look! it built fine for amd64 [14:36] lucid [14:37] oh that ftbfs [14:37] im working on that right now [14:40] apachelogger: okay, so you added add-brackets to put brackets around one line blocks(which is part of the kdelibs spec too afaik), namespace indentation(which I really don't care about :p) and made sure lines had unix ending character, that's fine :) [14:41] of course it is fine, do not question the hoff! [14:41] erm [14:41] the apachelogger! [14:46] apachelogger: you retried the build? :P [14:48] itll start in 1 hour .... [14:49] i've found some typos on maverick's german installer slides - shall i just fix them at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu or is there something else/other to do in this case? [14:51] hi nonickname2, thanks for checking [14:51] I think you can just fix them [14:51] you may need to be part of a translator team first though [14:51] hmm, no dpm around to ask [14:53] Riddell: We have a bit of a problem with kwin, plasma-netbook, and plasma-widget-networkmanagement. http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/09/driver-dilemma-in-kde-workspaces-4-5/ is background material if you didn't read it. [14:54] Even with a fixed mesa we'll probably have for -release, the blur effect causes effects to get suspended if it is trying to blur a large area. [14:54] The size of the p-w-nm wifi connect pop-up (which gets blurred) is ~ 1/4 of the screen on a netbook. [14:54] ok, i'll try to edit them later today - thanks [14:55] It takes ~forever to render and then once it's rendered, effects get suspended because it was too slow. [14:55] Plasma-netbook really depends on effects for window switching so it's not particularly optional. [14:56] Ideally we'd lock mgraesslin, notmart, and sebas/wstephenson in a room until it all worked nicely, but that's unlikely to happen before release. [14:56] agateau: ^^^ I'd be interested in your input too. [14:57] * agateau reads [14:57] I've filed Bug #628930 to track the issue. [14:57] Launchpad bug 628930 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu Maverick) "Desktop effects not active by default" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628930 [14:57] ScottK: I approvs locking said people in a room [14:58] itnewstoday \o/ [14:58] Generally that's the ultimate solution to most problems. [14:58] that jeremy character writes so uneducated junk that one could go sue him [14:58] ScottK: I would suggest asking mgraesslin about what is needed to disable blurring [14:58] ScottK: afaik you can have desktop effects without blur if you want [14:59] You can, but 4.5 doesn't look so great without it. [14:59] shadeslayer: yus, if it does not work hunt down tokoe or poke someone really hard in #kontact (or #akonadi for that matter) [14:59] There's a fixed mesa coming that works much better, but still can't handle the huge pw-nm window. [15:00] shadeslayer: I do not even see where it gets that NIE namespace access from, my mocs do not have that [15:00] agateau: I was thinking maybe we could see if the pw-nm people would be willing to support a smaller/simpler connect window. [15:00] apachelogger: i say get rid of i386 :P [15:00] ScottK: oh. I would like this as well [15:01] ScottK: the current one is quite huge [15:01] ScottK: but it's too late for maverick isn't it? [15:01] agateau: Depends on how fast I can find someone who knows how to write something. [15:01] Oh. Say .... [15:02] I would think turning off blur would be the easiest and most reliable way to go [15:05] apachelogger: do we have a wiki page which explain how to work with our branches, bzr builddeb and quilt? Or will I have to try to remember everything? :p [15:06] Riddell: With blur off the pw-nm window renders reasonably quickly (with the new mesa). [15:07] Riddell: Can we disable blur in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings to it's just disabled by default in netbook? [15:07] This will affect pretty much all netbooks. [15:08] to/so [15:09] hi [15:10] do you know if the fix of this bug went in KDE 4.5.1: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246689 ? [15:10] KDE bug 246689 in general "nepomuk search in krunner, results in (Resource)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:10] because i just upgraded to 4.5.1 and still experiencing the bug [15:13] smarter: what would you want to read there? [15:13] there is https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/QuiltMagic on quilt foo [15:14] thanks, that's pretty much what I was looking for :) [15:15] well that and getting from the bzr branch to something where I can use quilt(so bzr bd without actually building anything) [15:17] bzr builddeb help? [15:17] :P [15:17] bzr builddeb -e is what you want [15:17]