[00:00] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:00] <td123> so it doesn't suck?
[00:00] <td123> I heard the background looks like vomit
[00:01] <charlie-tca> There is more than just the wallpaper...
[00:01] <charlie-tca> I hear you can change that with a couple of clicks of the mouse
[00:01] <sebsebseb> td123: no that was the place holder
[00:01] <td123> ah ok
[00:02] <td123> good to know
[00:03] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:03] <BUGabundo> I just saw the wallpaper
[00:03] <BUGabundo> and EEWWWWW
[00:03] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: uhmm I am about to download this and vm
[00:05] <charlie-tca> It is ... , isn't it?
[00:09] <neglesaks> there we go!
[00:12] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, charlie-tca i PRAY (and i'm not a religious person) that the default wallpaper is changed prior to release (but fear it won't be)
[00:12] <charlie-tca> It is real easy to change. Don't let it stop you
[00:13] <BUGabundo> +1
[00:13] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, oh changing it isn't an issue - the "image" of ubuntu is, i remember how much "slack" ubuntu used to have with the brown, now are we to be know as the OS with the bad wallpaper ;)
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has been for several releases
[00:21] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: 8.04 background by default was alright, 8.10 is awesome.  9.04 and 9.10 were jokes, 10.04 was ok
[00:22] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: and versions of Ubuntu before 8.04, ddin't have great backgrounds, but they were ok
[00:22] <charlie-tca> so what is changing with the 10.10 version?
[00:22] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: not much for the desktop edition really
[00:22] <charlie-tca> bad is bad
[00:22] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: 10.10 gets a new installer
[00:23] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: a sound menu, and some changes to the software centre, thats about it for 10.10,  well I am on the verge of vm'ing the beta here
[00:23] <charlie-tca> but the wallpaper we are seeing is aweful
[00:23] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: is it the same one as they were complaining about before?
[00:23] <sebsebseb> on omgubuntu and what not
[00:24] <charlie-tca> as far as I know. At least, real close
[00:24] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/on-that-wallpaper-you-know-which-one.html
[00:25] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: and here it is http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-default-wallpaper.html
[00:25] <charlie-tca> looks like what I saw
[00:27] <yofel> to make the list complete: bug 625193
[00:30] <Andre_Gondim> where are the torrent file to beta?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> torrent.ubuntu,com
[00:32] <BUGabundo> torrent.ubuntu,com:6969
[00:32] <BUGabundo> cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases
[00:37] <jpds> BUGabundo / Andre_Gondim: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download
[00:38] <BUGabundo> so?
[00:38] <BUGabundo> he asked for the torrent
[00:38] <BUGabundo> he can get those from any link I gave him
[00:39] <Andre_Gondim> jpds, did you see any torrent there?
[00:42] <jpds> Oh my, they're not on http://br.releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/
[00:42] <jpds> Oh, no, they're on there now.
[00:43] <jpds> http://www.rnp.br/ceo/trafego/?tipo_arquivo=1&origem=PR - Hmm.
[00:43]  * BUGabundo slaps jpds with a sleeping pill
[00:43] <Andre_Gondim> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10/beta/ here doesn't have torrent file either
[00:44] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: ok on the install screen thingey
[00:44] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: in my vm
[00:44] <sebsebseb> charlie-tca: and yes that is the wallpaper people complained about
[00:45] <sebsebseb> well lets try the live session in my vm
[00:46] <jpds> Andre_Gondim: They're on http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ if you can't find them elsewhere.
[00:46] <Andre_Gondim> let me c
[00:47] <Sary|away> No announcement on milling list !
[00:49] <Sary|away> Now thats funny , Thaha
[00:50] <jpds> Sary|away: There was to ubuntu-announce.
[00:51] <BUGabundo> how is vdpau support in 3D nouvaue ? bjsnider
[00:53] <rohan> does ubuntu maverick use hybrid iso?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> what's an hybrid iso??
[00:54] <rohan> BUGabundo: which you can just dd onto a usb stick
[00:54] <BUGabundo> no
[00:55] <BUGabundo> use usb-creator
[00:55] <rohan> you'v *GOT* to be kidding
[00:55] <BUGabundo> or .... what was it called
[00:55] <sebsebseb> hrm so the installer for 10.10 in the live session
[00:55] <sebsebseb> in my vm
[00:55] <sebsebseb> has crashed it seems
[00:55] <rohan> all distros have had hybrid ISOs from around 3-4 release cycles now
[00:56] <BUGabundo> great for them
[00:56] <BUGabundo> we have usb-creator
[00:56] <BUGabundo> how's that
[00:57] <jpds> rohan: usb-creator is more user-friendly than dd.
[00:58] <BUGabundo> jpds: what's the other tool name?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> the one cross OS? I forgot
[00:58] <jpds> unetbootin?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> that one
[00:59] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[00:59] <rohan> BUGabundo, jpds : usb-creator on 8.04 doesn't work with newer isos
[01:00] <rohan> and DD is way faster, and easier, than usb-creator
[01:00] <BUGabundo> keep up the good work on the releasee
[01:00] <BUGabundo> actually it only depends on your flash drive
[01:00] <BUGabundo> but okay
[01:31] <litropy> does anyone know anything about madwifi?
[01:37] <Josefu8> I just upgraded from 10.04 to the 10.10 beta through the update manager, after restaring though ubuntu boots into a command line asking me to login there, it reocgnises my old user/pass but after that no Gnome Desktop , just the command line. Running in dual boot with Win7 if thats relevnat. Any idea what ive done ?
[01:39] <yofel> Josefu8: using nvidia by chance?
[01:39] <Josefu8> Yep
[01:39] <Josefu8> a driver issue ?
[01:39] <bjsnider> this was not the correct time to upgrade
[01:40] <bjsnider> not until the day after the beta freeze ends
[01:40] <yofel> Josefu8: if you have a network connection, 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[01:41] <bjsnider> the new driver will be there in a couple days
[01:42] <Josefu8> okay, ill write that down and do it in a few days. thanks a lot.
[01:42] <yofel> Josefu8: if you do it in a few days just do a dist-upgrade, you'll only need the ppa if you want the driver now
[01:43] <Josefu8> ah okay I see. Great, glad I dont have to do a fresh install.
[01:43] <yofel> no, see bug 616023 for the report about this
[01:45] <Josefu8> cool, I'll just wait for the fix then, Thanks again
[01:46] <avi_> hey, I just upgraded my desktop to the beta, and my boot stalls after a bit at plymouth. I'm on the machine right now in Failsafe X which works fine.. where should I look to troubleshoot?
[01:48] <ChogyDan> ooo, beta is out
[01:49] <voidmage> divecks: do you have an nvidia card?
[01:49] <divecks> voidmage, Ah I just found the issue
[01:49] <divecks> voidmage, In /var/log/xorg, I find that:
[01:50] <divecks> http://pastebay.com/103988
[01:50] <voidmage> divecks: see bug 616023
[01:50] <divecks> But.. this is ATI.
[01:50] <voidmage> oh
[01:50] <yofel> no, that's ATI, but fglrx is broken too
[01:51] <divecks> fglrx is the propriety ATI driver.
[01:51] <divecks> ah dear.
[01:51] <voidmage> then fglrx is also broken, and i don't know the bug number for it
[01:51] <voidmage> try IgnoreABI in your xorg.conf
[01:51] <divecks> So obviously I can use the free drivers, right?
[01:51] <yofel> right
[01:51] <yofel> those should work
[01:51] <divecks> right. I mean because im in failsafe x now.
[01:51] <divecks> that's a real bummer.
[01:51] <divecks> is a fix in progress?
[01:52] <divecks> ooh this is interesting.
[01:52] <bjsnider> fglrx is typically broken until the last week before an ubuntu release
[01:52] <divecks> So I'm using the latest ATI fglrx driver because it fixed a long-standing issue
[01:52] <voidmage> bjsnider: heh, ati
[01:52] <bjsnider> there's no more ati
[01:53] <divecks> meaning that i bypassed the Additional Drivers GUI thing
[01:53] <bjsnider> amd dropped the brand
[01:53] <divecks> and in there I get a new driver i've not seen before
[01:53] <divecks> "ATI Fire GL:
[01:53] <divecks> how odd.
[01:53] <divecks> no description.
[01:54] <divecks> okay so now, how do I install the free drivers?
[01:55] <divecks> wow.
[01:55] <divecks> my xorg just quit.
[01:55] <divecks> kicked me back to login screen.
[01:55] <divecks> *sigh&
[01:55] <divecks> why did I install this beta..
[01:56] <bjsnider> funny, i was just going to ask the same thing
[01:57] <divecks> :)
[01:57] <voidmage> you could buy an nvidia card :P
[01:57]  * voidmage hides before they catch me for bad advice
[01:57] <divecks> lol
[01:57] <divecks> too bad I'm using an iMac.
[01:57] <divecks> can't even upgrade the ram hardly.
[01:59] <bjsnider> i don't know why he thinks he can improve on the excellent mac osx with linux
[02:02] <Raydiation> bjsnider: i want to do that once i got so much money that i dont know what to buy
[02:02] <voidmage> so when does beta "unfreeze" for 616023 to be officially released?
[02:02] <Raydiation> pissing off the macscientology
[02:03] <bjsnider> voidmage, couple days
[02:04] <Avo> hey.. it's me again.
[02:04] <Avo> the guy with the tempermental X.org.
[02:04] <Avo> i'm in a different parition now.
[02:05] <Avo> so my question is, how do I install the free drivers?
[02:05] <Avo> I can't use the built in hardware driver GUI because I didn't install the drivers in the first place like that..
[02:05] <rohan> wtf.. the latest disk images don't have aptitude?!
[02:05] <Avo> rohan, Yeah I'm pretty sure they said they were dropping that.
[02:06] <rohan> is there some place where we can shout out that it's dumb decision? :P
[02:06] <Avo> rohan, #ubuntu? :)
[02:06] <Avo> I see why they removed it.
[02:07] <Avo> I mean it takes up SO much space on the CD ^^
[02:08] <voidmage> wait they really did remove aptitude from the cd?
[02:08] <Avo> yes sir.
[02:08] <rohan> yes
[02:08]  * voidmage has been using aptitude over apt-get for years because it handled dependencies/autoremove better
[02:08] <Avo> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/aptitude-removed-from-ubuntu-1010.html
[02:08] <Avo> quote from article: Update: apparently the reason for this is to free up some 13-14 mb of space from the CD.
[02:08] <Avo> nice.
[02:08] <jrib> well I prefer aptitude too but no point in software that duplicates functionality on the cd, just install it if you like it, like vim :)
[02:09] <Avo> hard to believe aptitude takes up 15 megs..
[02:09] <Raydiation> Avo: i guess its its magic cow powers
[02:09] <Avo> mmm
[02:10] <Avo> well I guess now I have an excuse to go about re-doing my tripleboot from scratch.
[02:10] <Avo> HFS+, NTFS, and ext4 do NOT play well together.
[02:11] <Raydiation> hm is maverick reacting a bit slow for yall too?
[02:11] <Avo> I can't even get OS X reinstall CD to reinstall my OS X partition because the disk partitioner quits whenever it sees a drive with ext4..
[02:11] <Raydiation> Avo: apple's love for foss
[02:11] <Avo> :D
[02:11] <Avo> It's really really annoying
[02:11] <Raydiation> their kinda nazi
[02:12] <Avo> it's like they built in specific discompatibility for anything linux
[02:12] <Avo> if this imac wasn't a gift, and I had known better 2 years ago, I wouldn't be using it today.
[02:13] <Raydiation> i came to the same conclusion with my ipod
[02:13] <td123> Avo: mac is what m$ was 10 years ago
[02:13] <Raydiation> as long as i live i wont buy anthing from fruit again
[02:13] <Avo> td123, My thoughts exactly.
[02:13] <Avo> I don't think badly about MSFT anymore actually.
[02:13] <Avo> They stay out of people's hair usually..
[02:13] <Avo> Raydiation, My hostname is evilfruit :)
[02:14] <Raydiation> :)
[02:14] <td123> Avo: m$ is just silently screwing people :)
[02:14] <Raydiation> think different
[02:14] <Raydiation> think evil :D
[02:14] <Avo> my wallpaper is actually the BSD daemon with text that says
[02:14] <Raydiation> wonderful, beautiful, amazing, wonderful, unbelievable
[02:14] <Avo> http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=think%20correctly&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=944&bih=1069
[02:15] <Raydiation> Avo: haha, thats great
[02:15] <Avo> :P
[02:15] <Avo> didn't know there was a debian one too.
[02:15] <Avo> So I was going to use Clonezilla to back up my ubuntu..
[02:15] <Avo> I guess there's no point in doing that now..
[02:15] <Avo> bah. what a bummer.
[02:18] <Avo> well I've gotta go. I've got a disk to clone..
[02:20] <h00k> So, I just want to verify, nvidia drivers are kinda broken yet? I'm unable to "enable visual effects"
[02:23] <bjsnider> yofel, what are you going to do with your time when people stop asking these questions?
[02:24] <h00k> hah! Let me guessed, someone already asked this over 9000 times.
[02:24]  * h00k scrolls up
[02:25] <h00k> well, I'm not referring to bug 616023
[02:34] <td123> what's the focus on in 10.10? speed?
[02:37] <td123> meh, probably crapiness
[02:37] <td123> :P
[02:39] <td123> hmm, no response... dead channel
[02:41] <h00k> er.
[02:41] <ChogyDan> hmmm, anyone know if it is possible to configure the dbus package within a chroot?
[03:46] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole
[03:46] <DanaG> Say, why does this have you set both netconsole= on kernel and "options netconsole" for module?
[03:46] <DanaG> That seems redundant to me!
[03:48] <DanaG> ARgh, damn gnome-power-manager is trying to give me a siezure.
[03:48] <DanaG> Good thing I'm not epileptic.
[03:48] <DanaG> It's flapping back and forth between two brightness levels as quickly as possible.
[03:53] <txwikinger> is there a ppa for freenx on maverick?
[03:55] <m3ga> hi, running maverick in a chroot and procps, udev ad ubuntu-minimal fail to install. Clues?
[04:00] <DanaG> Say, anyone know it netconsole can handle ipv6 addresses?
[04:00] <DanaG> s/it/if/
[04:07] <DanaG> ARGH, stupid netconsole... I'm trying to debug a wlan0 crash, and it quits logging when I unload the driver for my wlan card... even if I'm netconsole logging over eth0!
[04:09] <CycleGeek> Is the libgirepository update suppose to try to replace gnome with kde?
[05:14] <avi_> Hey guys.. how can I show my list of PPAs in maverick software center, like I had in Lucid?
[05:15] <albuz> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 10.10b... how do I rename my computer? It's something like albuz-desktop
[05:17] <albuz> edit /etc/hostname ... sorry I forgot to google that first :$
[05:38] <Andre_Gondim> My Ubuntu One doesn't connecting
[05:40] <Andre_Gondim> I don't have that optoin to add my computer
[06:19] <bdogg> can some one help me out upgrading to beta 10.10
[06:20] <Andre_Gondim> bdogg, update-manager -d
[06:20] <bdogg> lol yeah i did that
[06:20] <bdogg> but i get an error saying something about unsupported sources
[06:29] <bdogg> when i try to update i get this error
[06:29] <bdogg> Could not calculate the upgrade  An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.   This can be caused by:  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[06:50]  * DanaG vomits on the Lucid wallpaper, and calls it art.
[06:50] <DanaG> Now THIS is art: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/details/1922/oirase_gorge.html
[08:05] <Blue1> too scary for me try back in a week - thanks
[09:42] <kindofabuzz> since the b* file system will not be in meercat, i can't think of the name, do i need to reinstall if i used that file system for the alphas?
[09:57] <ikonia> kklimonda: what file ystem ?
[10:00] <industrial> Can I update to 10.10 beta from synaptic from 10.04?
[10:02] <screen-x> Hello All, is netbooting known to be broken at the moment?
[10:02] <ikonia> industrial: are you %100 sure you want to do that
[10:02] <ikonia> screen-x: not that I'm aware of
[10:04] <popey> industrial: thats broken at the moment
[10:04] <screen-x> ikonia: thanks. Must be me then, I'm having trouble adding maverick netboot options to a working lucid netboot server.
[10:05] <ikonia> screen-x: I could be wrong, but I've not heard anyone else moan abou tit
[10:05] <ikonia> it
[10:52] <Milos_SD> Hi
[10:53] <Milos_SD> After installing and removing network-indicator-applet, my network-manager stoped working. I have internet, but network-manager-gnome shows there is no devices available
[10:53] <Milos_SD> How can I fix that?
[11:20] <Sary> kroson, Ping!
[11:36] <industrial> < ikonia> industrial: are you %100 sure you want to do that
[11:36] <industrial> i see on the news its released
[11:36] <industrial> so i want to update
[11:36] <industrial> and i ask how thats done
[11:37] <industrial> and you ask me if I want to.. why wouldn't people want to RIGHT NOW?
[11:37] <industrial> if I cared for stability then I wouldnt have wanted to pdate to da Beta
[11:38] <gnomefreak> industrial: its unstable incuding X among other things. he asked that because if you have to ask normally its not the best idea to upgrade. however do as you please
[11:38] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[11:39] <industrial> aasumptions are awesome
[11:39] <industrial> you also assume i havent been using linux for the last decade
[11:39] <industrial> thanks anyway
[11:39] <gnomefreak> industrial: can you fix broken packages or find awork around?
[11:41]  * gnomefreak doesnt understand what using linux for 10 years means. He hasnt been using Ubuntu for 10 years nor debian or he would know how to upgrade
[11:48] <kroson> gnomefreak: in the installer you have the option to install extra stuff, what codecs does it install actually? restricted extras?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> not sure i havent used the new installer yet
[11:49] <kroson> ok
[11:49] <kroson> Sary: have you tested the new installer?
[11:52] <Sary> kroson, how you do :)
[11:52] <Sary> Yes i did
[11:54] <kroson> Sary: what does the option to install extra stuff actually installs? restricted extras?
[11:54] <Sary> kroson, i didn't select it .
[11:54] <popey> kroson: apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:54] <popey> it will show you the packages it pulls in
[11:55] <kroson> ok
[11:55] <Sary> But , it seems like you will be able to download software updates, install support for non-English languages, or install proprietary drivers and applications.
[11:55] <kroson> yes
[11:55] <kroson> if you have internet
[11:55] <kroson> of course
[11:55] <kroson> in the installation
[11:55] <Sary> Exactly ,
[11:55] <kroson> in my laptop i only have wireless
[11:55] <kroson> here
[11:55] <Sary> me too
[11:59] <kroson> well im going to install the beta now
[11:59] <kroson> see you
[11:59] <Sary> Good luck
[12:29] <Yahav> hey, does ubuntu 10.10 beta stable enough for daily use?
[12:34] <robin0800> Yahav http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Yahav: there are a few major bugs but beta is a more widely tested than Alpha but you still need to install it on a none daily PC incase you need a PC and your maverick on is broken
[12:36] <Yahav> kk got it tnx, this would not be a good solution for my work laptop ..thanks again
[12:37] <gnomefreak> hell know. what would even make you think about that
[13:01] <lenardk> On kubuntu chanel told me to ask for help here. I had problem with instlling Nvidia drivers on 10.10 after upgrade? Anyone?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> lenardk: James147 see bug 616023
[13:02] <James147> gnomefreak: Thanks
[13:02] <gnomefreak> lenardk: 2nd link is in the topic.
[13:03] <lenardk> aha, ok so I will wait for an update than.
[13:09] <MikeChelen> getting an error "this server had a video driver ABIlity
[13:09] <MikeChelen> err
[13:10] <gnomefreak> lenardk: James147 do not upgrade a daily use PC and back everything up incase it does break if you cant wait for maverick release.
[13:10] <MikeChelen> ABI version of 8.0 that this driver does not officially support
[13:10] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: the next nvidia upload will fix that or add ignoreabi to your xorg.conf
[13:11] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: not yet. we had to wait for upstream nvidia to build on x 1.9
[13:11] <James147> gnomefreak: I know... I dont mind living on the edge and I can revover from a broken install easaly :) (I can reinstall at anytime should something go wrong) but I am not planning to upgtrade my desktop just yet
[13:11] <MikeChelen> Gnomefreak: ah ok will try that, thanks
[13:12] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: see bug 616023
[13:12] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: it will give you the workaround if you cant wait a few days maybe a week
[13:14] <lenardk> gnomefreak: I just did not know whait is the problem, my configuration or bug. Yeah, is says fix released.
[13:15] <gnomefreak> no it doesnt it says fix commited
[13:15] <gnomefreak> hold on
[13:16] <gnomefreak> ah it was just updated
[13:16] <gnomefreak> package update should be in a few hours
[13:17] <MikeChelen> might have held off upgrading if i knew there would be a showstopper, going to try ubuntu-x-swat ppa
[13:19] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: why just wait a few hours
[13:19] <lenardk> For me it's 256.44, but I'll wait for an update, can Nvidia and open-source driver be installed at same time? Or do I need to remove opne-sorce drivers before installing Nvida? maybe it's stupid question...
[13:19] <gnomefreak> it is just out of NEW
[13:21] <MikeChelen> gnomefreak: don't mind having slightly newer versions of xml server and nvidia driver anyway
[13:22] <MikeChelen> and it will let me try a few things tonight before going to sleep
[13:27] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: it will only be newer for a few more hours
[13:27] <gnomefreak> maybe less
[13:27] <gnomefreak> MikeChelen: do as you wish thought. i just see it as a waste of time
[13:31] <MikeChel1n> gnomefreak: frankly it was easier that seeing where to add the option in xorg.conf
[13:31] <MikeChel1n> *than
[13:32] <gnomefreak> adding ignoreabi is fairly easy but i suggest to just wait. im sure you have had the problem since you upgraded so a fe wmore hours shouldnt hurt.
[13:33] <gnomefreak> brb
[13:33] <tracy69> hi question if i upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 will i lose all my settings? in 10.04 i had to install manually different drivers to get my sound working the same graphic card and what about conky config etc will i need to reinstall everything ? is there any risk ?
[13:33] <ikonia> tracy69: it's a different kernel, so things like kernel modules will change
[13:34] <MikeChelen> well i have already upgraded
[13:34] <MikeChelen> tracy69: most user settings are saved, but idk about drivers
[13:34] <MikeChelen> is conky config stored within your home directory?
[13:35] <tracy69> ikonia,  i have 2.6.35-19 in lucid lynx
[13:35] <ikonia> tracy69: yes ?
[13:35] <ikonia> MikeChelen: it is yes
[13:36] <tracy69> conky is saved in own directory conky.config in etc/conky
[13:36] <ikonia> no, it's saved in your home directory
[13:36] <tracy69> Linux matrix 2.6.35-19-generic #25~lucid1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 25 04:24:28 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:37] <ikonia> tracy69: you've already told us what kernel you have
[13:39] <MikeChelen> conky might have both a default config in /etc and personal one in /home
[13:39] <tracy69> so im asking is there any risk if i upgraded to 10.10 ?
[13:40] <MikeChelen> tracy69: sure something might break, probably conky config will be saved though
[13:40] <MikeChelen> what sound drivers did you install?
[13:40] <tracy69> MikeChelen, hehehehe something might break heheheheh
[13:40] <tracy69> i dont like your answer
[13:41] <MikeChelen> tracy69: haha, its a beta, something could always go wrong ;)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> for some users (not sure how many) maverick is not saving your settings on boot
[13:41] <gnomefreak> sound ^^^
[13:41] <tracy69> the original sound driver that come with 10.04 didnt work i mean i had sound but just from one speaker i have acl1200 and ati hdmi so i had to install other alsa and many other packages about 200mb download
[13:44] <Sary> gnomefreak, i tried to add a keyboard layout , after a while it Disappears
[13:45] <Sary> Any clue why ,
[13:45] <gnomefreak> i dont know what that means. and im not good with keyboard issues
[13:45] <Sary> O' okay
[13:46] <Sary> no bug reported for it , should i ask in launch[pad
[13:46] <Sary> or just fail a bug
[13:46] <gnomefreak> file a bug
[13:47] <Sary> Aight
[13:49] <tracy69> so guys if i have custom made grub2 i installed also burg the spash screen use playmouth package i have conky netbeans vbox compix conf  if in the future i upgrade to 10.10 i will have again configure everything ?
[13:53] <mcgreg> hi
[13:53] <mcgreg> I've just tested ubuntu10.10 in qemu (kvm) - it seems to work fine but I cant move the mouse at all - neither when I boot from cd , nor after the installation - any ideas?
[13:56] <mcgreg> ok never mind .. it#s qemu
[13:56] <mcgreg> sorry
[14:27] <Sary> Sary, see bug 629503
[14:46] <tarzeau> has anyone tried the beta? it just failed when trying to install on xfs /
[14:46] <tarzeau> i also ticked get updates from internet
[14:46] <tarzeau> oh and the new photo tool is not great. trying out the sliders, just made it hang badly
[14:52] <jo-erlend> I just tried to add facebook to gwibber in m beta, but I'm not able. Is this a known problem?
[14:52] <MikeChelen> is there an error?
[14:54] <jo-erlend> no. It seems to be working, I'm able to authorize, but it doesn't appear to be added anyway.
[14:55] <Sary> Like nothing is showing ..
[14:56] <jo-erlend> well... Actually, I was now able to add it. I don't know what happened before.
[14:58] <MikeChelen> the account addition dialogs are a bit confusing to me sometimes
[14:59] <MikeChelen> also it may take a while for updates to be fetched
[14:59] <jo-erlend> yes, not just a little either.
[14:59] <MikeChelen> :)
[15:01] <jo-erlend> but it is possible that I used the wrong password the first times, cause I had changed the password and forgotten all about it. If that's the case, then there is a bug. If I remove the account, will it also be unautorized?
[15:06] <Sary> Wb charlie-tca
[15:07] <tschundeee> can I simply upgrade when 10.10 is out or are the chances pretty good that I will receive a "dirty-upgrade" and my OS will be not as smooth as installing the system from scratch? (e.g. lots of old elements and configuration issues) ???
[15:07] <charlie-tca> Hello, Sary
[15:08] <charlie-tca> tschundeee: upgrades from the previous version of part of the testing done before the release. If there are issues with it, there are notes in the release notes.
[15:08] <charlie-tca> of part = are part
[15:09] <tschundeee> charlie-tca: so my chances to get a clean 10.10 upgrade from 10.04 are not bad, huh?
[15:10] <charlie-tca> correct. If there are no issues listed in the release notes, it should be fine
[15:11] <charlie-tca> I did have a system I upgraded from 5.10 to 9.10 before I decided to do a clean install.
[15:13] <jo-erlend> well... I removed the Facebook account and added it again. It's very strange. Everything seems fine, but it's not added.
[15:17] <jo-erlend> heh, there are some issues to be resolved before release.
[15:20] <Sary> jo-erlend, have ya checked for updates .. there we're some for Gwibber
[15:21] <jo-erlend> no.
[15:21] <jo-erlend> I'm just running beta off a usb stick.
[15:22] <Sary> ah , trying , not installed yet ..
[15:22] <jo-erlend> right
[15:22] <Sary> Nice
[15:22] <Sary> I don't no why i got confused with the new installer ..
[15:23] <Sary> But it looks pretty
[15:29] <jo-erlend> I haven't checked that out yet. I'm more focused on the live session at the moment. Very happy to see usb-creator.exe on the root.
[15:29] <jo-erlend> I hope they'll also make it very visible on ubuntu.com for users to download it when they're downloading the cd-image.
[15:33] <Sary> Yeah
[15:33] <Sary> Wb gnomefreak Ping !
[15:33] <gnomefreak> thanks Sary
[15:33] <Sary> gnomefreak, see bug 629503
[15:33] <Sary> you're most welcome friend
[15:34] <gnomefreak> aiting for it to open
[15:34]  * gnomefreak waiting for it to open
[15:35] <Sary> Yeah
[15:35] <gnomefreak> i think it is edge <why its slow>
[15:36] <gnomefreak> Sary: does it work all the time now that you removeed tab
[15:36] <gnomefreak> Sary: also please run the following command for me
[15:36] <sidnei> anyone is having trouble with slow scrolling performance on maverick? most noticeable on xchat, with nvidia graphics
[15:36] <gnomefreak> apport-collect 629503
[15:37] <Sary> I removed it , then Had to add it again , and now it's gone
[15:37] <Sary> Okay
[15:37] <charlie-tca> sidnei: not here
[15:37] <gnomefreak> sidnei: might be nvidia or it could be the transition
[15:37] <gnomefreak> Sary: so same problem after you do that?
[15:37] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: your here still? go take a nap ;)
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I went and came back
[15:38] <jo-erlend> oh... During the one hour I've been testing the live session from the beta image, I've uncovered lots of fairly big bugs. I guess I'll have to spend some time on them tomorrow.
[15:38] <gnomefreak> Sary: please dont assign yourself to a bug unless you are working on fixing it
[15:38] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: me too
[15:38] <charlie-tca> jo-erlend: download a new daily to try before reporting them. There have already been a lot of changes
[15:39] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: start filing bugs on it so they get fixed
[15:39] <gnomefreak> yeah what charlie-tca said
[15:39] <jo-erlend> yes, of course.
[15:39] <Sary> gnomefreak, of course
[15:39] <Sary> Okay , so now i add the layout .. it's there on the panel
[15:40] <jo-erlend> what's the point of the "What's new" section in Ubuntu Software Center?
[15:41] <jo-erlend> I mean... gnome-terminal and pidgin are hardly new software in Ubuntu?
[15:42] <Sary> gnomefreak, that command toke me to a page on launchpad
[15:42] <gnomefreak> Sary: your bug page
[15:42] <gnomefreak> at least it should have
[15:42] <gnomefreak> jo-erlend: new no but improvents yes
[15:42] <Sary> It's about applications authorized to access Launchpad on your behalf
[15:43] <gnomefreak> Sary: let it
[15:43] <Sary> So i choice : change anything
[15:44] <gnomefreak> Sary: yes
[15:44] <Sary> Done.
[15:44] <gnomefreak> it will than add alot of stuff to your bug report. s/alot/some depends on the app
[15:44] <gnomefreak> Sary: thanks
[15:45] <Sary> gnomefreak, Thanks to you
[15:45]  * gnomefreak not a keyboard guy but will still see what i see
[15:45] <gnomefreak> Sary: np
[15:45] <gnomefreak> well damn
[15:45] <Sary> Should i send the Apport data ..
[15:45] <Sary> Wah !
[15:45] <gnomefreak> Sary: did you use ubuntu-bug gnome-applets   when you filed the report?
[15:46] <gnomefreak> Sary: yes send it
[15:46] <gnomefreak> thats why i dont see anything
[15:46] <Sary> gnomefreak, Yes i did
[15:46] <Sary> Okay , i'll do so
[15:46] <gnomefreak> dont run ubuntu-bug please
[15:46] <gnomefreak> only when you first file the bug. and it didnt list any of the info it should have like system info
[15:46] <Sary> Nah  , my bad i didn't actually .. that only works for Apps
[15:47] <gnomefreak> Sary: gnome-applets is a package
[15:47] <Sary> Yeah,okay.
[15:47] <Sary> I though i searched for it
[15:47] <Sary> Wait
[15:48] <Sary> Yes it's is
[15:48] <gnomefreak> i need a smoke ill be back in a few
[15:48] <Sary> Tyt
[15:50] <Sary> gnome-applets , The version of the package set to : 2.30.0-3ubuntu2
[15:52] <gnomefreak> Sary: much better thanks
[15:52] <gnomefreak> see what i mean by sometimes little info is added
[15:53] <Sary> Yeah it's better , my bad Excuse me
[15:53] <gnomefreak> Sary: what version does apt-cache policy gnome-applets    give
[15:53] <Sary> That got to be my first bug reported
[15:53] <gnomefreak> Sary: np it happens
[15:53] <Sary> lemme see
[15:54] <Sary> Installed: 2.30.0-3ubuntu2
[15:55] <gnomefreak> Sary: what version does canadate give?
[15:55] <Sary> Candidate: 2.30.0-3ubuntu2
[15:55] <gnomefreak> ok than typo on your part :)
[15:55] <gnomefreak> fixed
[15:55] <Sary> :)
[15:56] <Sary> Thanks
[15:56] <gnomefreak> np if i can help i try to
[15:56] <Sary> Oh me , another issue pop-up
[15:57] <gnomefreak> welcome to devel cycle
[15:57] <Sary> " update-apt-xapian-index" closed unexpectedly
[15:57] <Sary> Yeah :)
[15:58] <Sary> Should i report that too ..
[15:58] <gnomefreak> oh taht
[15:58] <gnomefreak> that even
[15:59] <gnomefreak> yofel: if you are around can you help Sary with the xapian. im fairly sure if was you that saw it and worked around it
[15:59] <Sary> Alright
[15:59] <Sary> Aww , yofel is around :)
[16:00] <Sary> the problem was already reported
[16:01] <Sary> But not in Maverick
[16:03] <gnomefreak> Sary: add that it happens in maverick to the bug please
[16:03] <Sary> Sure
[16:05] <Sary> Conformed.
[16:05]  * gnomefreak wonders if it is a different package
[16:05] <Sary> apt-xapian-index:
[16:05] <Sary>   Installed: 0.38ubuntu1
[16:05] <Sary>   Candidate: 0.38ubuntu1
[16:06] <gnomefreak> Sary: there isa workaround. something that has to do with /etc/apt/sources.list.d IIRC
[16:10] <Sary> Nice ,
[16:10] <gnomefreak> Sary: Sary do me one more big favor please. on the bug report (keyboard bug) please list detailed steps that you take to add it i need each step that you take to add it including what you add nad how you add it
[16:11] <gnomefreak> Sary: once you do that please let me know so i can test here
[16:11] <Sary> gnomefreak, okay.
[16:11] <gnomefreak> Sary: great thanks
[16:11] <Raydiation> no irc support for empathy right?
[16:12] <gnomefreak> Raydiation: i dont s
[16:12] <gnomefreak> ee why not even
[16:13] <gnomefreak> read them both and just forget the typos
[16:13] <gnomefreak> i dont use it so i cant really help
[16:14] <gnomefreak> the people that can are MIA
[16:14] <Raydiation> ?
[16:14] <gnomefreak> Raydiation: the empathy support
[16:15] <Raydiation> mia?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> oh nevermind
[16:15]  * gnomefreak sings "if i only had a brain"
[16:15] <gnomefreak> mia == missing in action
[16:15] <gnomefreak> and i thought empathy supported IRC
[16:15] <gnomefreak> since it is default it better
[16:17] <Raydiation> hm, missing otr anyway
[16:17] <Raydiation> so i cant use it
[16:19] <Sary> gnomefreak, see bug 629503
[16:20] <gnomefreak> http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/  << is cool. i warned myself next time i will remove my self
[16:21] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak please refrain from sting offtopic links into support channels, thank you
[16:21] <gnomefreak> np gnomefreak sorry
[16:22] <gnomefreak> Sary: i dont see the steps
[16:22] <gnomefreak> Sary: i dont understand the steps
[16:23] <gnomefreak> what language did you add and please be exact on that
[16:23] <Sary> What you mean , i just updated the description
[16:23] <Sary> O' okay , i'll add that too
[16:24] <Sary> What else ..
[16:24] <lubuntu_userrr> Why the ubuntu font was not included into 10.10 beta 1?
[16:24] <gnomefreak> Sary: lable each step as 1. step 2. step ect..
[16:24] <gnomefreak> lubuntu_userrr: who says it wont be
[16:24] <gnomefreak> label even
[16:25] <lubuntu_userrr> Well, i tested it and the default ui font was Sans
[16:25] <gnomefreak> lubuntu_userrr: that does not mean it will not change
[16:25] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[16:27] <lubuntu_userrr> gnomefreak: I still believe that ubuntu font needs to be the default font for 10.10, so I wanted to show it to some friends. It is not the default евен ин тхе рецент даилъ буилдс.
[16:27] <lubuntu_userrr> It is not the default even in the recent daily builds cds.
[16:29] <Sary> gnomefreak, see bug 629503
[16:30] <gnomefreak> it is possible it will not be until 11.04. file a bug on it and give me the bug number please ill see what i can do
[16:31] <gnomefreak> Sary: how many do you have listed in there?
[16:31] <Sary> Just one
[16:31] <gnomefreak> Sary: just the arabic?
[16:31] <Sary> Yep.
[16:32] <Sary> Wb yofel Ping!
[16:32] <gnomefreak> there is yofel_ welcome to the fun
[16:32] <gnomefreak> Sary: befarul with ping. if you can try not to do it.
[16:32] <gnomefreak> you can get errors trust me
[16:32] <Sary> Now can i feel the hype on the devel cycle
[16:33] <Sary> lol, okay. noted
[16:33] <gnomefreak> for example ping gnomefreak will give you a PM
[16:33] <Sary> can i try
[16:33] <gnomefreak> Sary: can you add USA and see if it does it
[16:33] <gnomefreak> yes you can
[16:34] <Sary> Well , actually The US keyboard layout was there by default
[16:34] <Sary> I just added the Arabic Layout
[16:35] <Sary> You know , i have to switch between theme allot
[16:35] <Sary> them*
[16:35] <gnomefreak> can you try adding a different lang. i want to see if you can reproduce it with others. and add the info to the bgu report
[16:35] <Sary> Alright
[16:35] <lubuntu_userrr> gnomefreak: Do you know if it is possible to have a new pull from the openchrome repository for 10.10 until it is released (since it is highly unusual thing at this phase of development)? The main problem is theat X11 is the only option for video renderer.
[16:35] <gnomefreak> i typed my reply just beofre you said USA was there already
[16:36] <gnomefreak> lubuntu_userrr: not sure
[16:38] <Sary> Okay done. seems like i can only add 4 layout
[16:39] <gnomefreak> ok make sure they have same problem
[16:41] <Sary> Wait , you know what really happened .. the Keyboard applet disappears
[16:41] <Sary> Sure
[16:41] <Sary> I mean from the panel ..
[16:42] <Sary> So i'll add that info to the bug.
[16:43] <gnomefreak> Sary: thanks
[16:43] <screen-x> 10.10 UNE is much slower than 10.04 UNR on my eee 701 :(
[16:43] <screen-x> is it possible to remove unity and go back to the old netbook launcher?
[16:45] <AlanBell> hi all
[16:45] <screen-x> o/ AlanBell
[16:45] <AlanBell> are we expecting the Ubuntu font to be installed on the CD for Maverick?
[16:46] <Sary> What that font may be
[16:46] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: dont know. file a wishlist bug so it can be looked at and maybe get a FFE
[16:47] <charlie-tca> and let us know the bug number, please?
[16:47] <AlanBell> ok, where should I file that, in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu or in the font bit?
[16:48] <gnomefreak> anyone know of a blog on this. there *has* to be one
[16:48] <charlie-tca> The only one I have seen is design team
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I would guess launchpad is good, since it is asking for a specific change
[16:49] <gnomefreak> well if anyone finds one please give it to me so i can read it and put in topic if it is ok
[16:49] <AlanBell> I just re-read sabdfl's initial post about the font, it doesn't quite say "will be in 10.10"
[16:50] <gnomefreak> well give me link please
[16:50] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/308
[16:50] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: thanks
[16:50] <AlanBell> "I expect to see that font widely used in 10.10"
[16:50] <AlanBell> which at the time I took to mean "will be on the CD"
[16:52] <charlie-tca> http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/
[16:52] <Sary> http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/
[16:52] <Sary> Exactly :)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> note the part about "When does everyone get it?"
[16:52] <AlanBell> "scheduled to be shipped in Ubuntu 10.10"
[16:53] <Sary> So ,  The font is named “UbuntuBeta” and the package name is ubuntu-private-nda-fonts.
[16:53] <sebsebseb> Hi
[16:53] <Sary> hey seb
[16:53] <sebsebseb> Sary: Hey
[16:53] <Sary> WB
[16:54] <sebsebseb> uh yeah ty
[16:54] <AlanBell> Sary: yeah, not sure whether to file an ffe there though
[16:55] <Sary> Well , it's isn't on Synaptic ..
[16:56] <AlanBell> bother, ubuntu-bug says it is not a genuine ubuntu package
[16:56] <gnomefreak> there now it is in /topic
[16:57] <Sary> Nice Step :)
[16:57] <gnomefreak> please send people there about the font
[16:57] <Sary> Thanks G
[16:58] <Sary> Oh , only Ubuntu member may get it !
[16:58] <sebsebseb> Sary: yep
[16:58] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: Forgot about that. It is still a PPA, so it is not an ubuntu package yet
[16:58] <sebsebseb> Sary: a closed source kind of way, of doing it
[16:58] <sebsebseb> Sary: Plus its made on Macs
[16:58] <Sary> Aha
[16:59] <sebsebseb> Sary: I guess the Canonical design team don't know how to use open source graphics design programs properly, so yeah
[16:59] <gnomefreak> keep in mind there are a lot of bugs that need to be fixed first
[16:59] <AlanBell> it isn't being done by the design team
[17:00] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: Oh who is making it then?
[17:00] <AlanBell> it is being commissioned by canonical and desinged by Dalton Maag
[17:00] <sebsebseb> AlanBell: right so they are paying another company to make it?
[17:00] <AlanBell> yup
[17:00] <gnomefreak> go figure i thought it was design team. is Dalton part of the design team?
[17:01] <AlanBell> and as I understand it, the odd release process is related to the way it is being purchased
[17:02] <gnomefreak> ok only 6000 more emails for tomorrow plus the others i get :(
[17:02] <gnomefreak> be back
[17:05] <Awsoonn> hi all, I upgraded to 10.10 this morning and found the nvidia driver has an ABI mis match which caused X to not load. Should I report this?
[17:05] <AlanBell> bug 629622
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks, AlanBell
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: already been reported
[17:06] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: I figured as much, can I get a link to the bug, or a hint at the package it's in?
[17:07] <ryanakca> How do I get pulse to recognize my hardware sound card? It's pavucontrol only shows a Dummy Output under Virtual Output Devices and nothing under Hardware Output Devices...
[17:07] <gnomefreak> Awsoonn: should be fixed with next nvidia-current upload
[17:07] <AlanBell> can someone check I have done the right stuff on the ffe, not done one before
[17:07] <gnomefreak> Andre_Gondim: no need
[17:07] <charlie-tca> bug 616023
[17:08] <koud> hello, I am trying to make a live usb using unetbootin
[17:08] <koud> but i get no init found
[17:09] <koud> when I try to boot
[17:09] <koud> is there a known fix for that?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> koud: are you creating in maverick for maverick?
[17:09] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: its fine i added my comment to it
[17:10] <koud> no I am using 10.04 to create live usb for 10.10
[17:10] <gnomefreak> koud: its broken it is known see the link in the topic for the beta release
[17:10] <koud> gnomefreak: it only mentions ubuntu live usb tool, I am not using that
[17:10] <gnomefreak> that might not be the same than but look anyway. there is a bug # attached to the comment on that page
[17:10] <charlie-tca> versions have to match
[17:10] <gnomefreak> oh ok not the same than'
[17:11] <koud> I use unetbootin
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Creating lucid live on usb using maverick/creating maverick live on usb using lucid both fail
[17:12] <Sary> koud, try to chose to boot from USB from the boot option
[17:12] <Sary> charlie-tca, indeed
[17:13] <Sary> but i did install it for usb last night
[17:13] <koud> Sary: yes ofcourse I have done that :P it boots the bootloader but then it get stuck becuase missing init file
[17:13] <Sary> Mmm
[17:13] <AlanBell> gnomefreak: charlie-tca thanks for your help, I certainly didn't expect to end up filing an ffe for it when I asked about the font!
[17:13] <Sary> kroson, Wb
[17:13] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: You are welcome
[17:13] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: may not be needed but your welcome i made adjustments to bug report and commented on it
[17:15] <Sary> koud, do you get some error .
[17:15] <koud> no init found
[17:15] <koud> I think just ubuntu has changed some files, making it incompatible with unetbootin
[17:16] <koud> I was just wondering if someone had found a workaround
[17:16] <Sary> have ya checked the MD5SUM for the iso
[17:17] <sanna_> Hi, I was just installing 10.10, but the bootloader was installed on my usb when I used the advanced option in order to set partitions. It was defaulted at the usb, was it the same for you?
[17:18] <gnomefreak> ok i think i am done filing bugs for this week
[17:19] <Sary> gnomefreak, Well done. Slut ya
[17:19] <koud> Sary: no problme there, I am not alone
[17:19] <koud>  alot of people who have this problem
[17:19] <koud> but seems no one has acknowledged yet
[17:19] <koud> there is already bugreport on launchpad
[17:19] <koud> since the alphas
[17:19] <Sary> koud, okay .. i am looking in to something | hold on
[17:21] <sanna_> could someone confirm if by installing through usb and picking advanced option the bootloader defaults to usb? that would be a pretty simple fix I assume
[17:22] <Sary> sanna_, i did
[17:23] <sanna_> Sary, the same happened to you?
[17:23] <Sary> Yep.
[17:24] <sanna_> I'm a noob, so I wasn't sure why it seemed to point to the usb, but I assumed it was correct sine it obviously did. Has there been a bug reported for it?
[17:26] <Sary> koud, have ya tried burning the iso with Start up disk creator
[17:26] <koud> burning?
[17:27] <koud> you mean like to a cd?
[17:27] <koud> I dont have any computers that uses cd or dvd :P
[17:27] <Sary> To the USB
[17:27] <koud> I am getting a updated version of live usb
[17:27] <Sary> Thats what i did
[17:28] <koud> it is supposed to work
[17:28] <Sary> sanna_, i am searching if there is bug about that
[17:29] <Sary> koud, what you mean .. witch iso did ya download
[17:30] <koud> i386 10.10 beta
[17:30] <koud> kubuntu
[17:31] <koud> Sary: I mean I am getting a new version of the live usb creating tool  for ubuntu
[17:31] <koud> so I can make a 10.10 bootable usb
[17:32] <Sary> Aha , nice .. hope that goes well
[17:32] <Raydiation> nouveau crashes x
[17:32] <sanna_> Sary, thank you.
[17:32] <koud> Sary: no problem, I just came here to ask if there was anyone who know workaround for the unetbootin problem :P
[17:33] <koud> I am pretty experienced computer user so I am sure I will find a way :P
[17:33] <Sary> koud, sanna_ Welcome
[17:34] <Sary> a geek :)
[17:34] <killer999> gwibber is not showing any tweets in the timeline...I upgraded to the latest version already
[17:35] <koud> Sary: you could say that
[17:35] <emvee> xorg is using up the cpu like crazy for no apparent reason sometimes, that normal?
[17:35] <gnomefreak> killer999: check for the bug. i do recall seeing a few liek that one
[17:35] <koud> emvee: I dont think that is supposed to be usual no :P
[17:35] <Sary> killer999, same here ..no tweet update nothing showing
[17:36] <sidnei> emvee, im having a similar issue, thought it could be the nvidia driver. what video card you have?
[17:36] <killer999> Sary, never got gwibber working since Lucid Beta....don't know how can they ship this
[17:36] <emvee> its normally low but goes up to 50% wout much cause sometimes
[17:37] <emvee> i don't know i just got this laptop from my sister
[17:37] <emvee> what is the cmmand to check
[17:37] <Sary> killer999, when i was on Lucid it worked just fine
[17:38] <koud> Sary: got it working now =)
[17:39] <Sary> koud, Yey .. thats whats Geek :)
[17:39] <Sary> Whats up*
[17:40] <Sary> sanna_, Witch iso did you download to install maverick beta
[17:40] <killer999> Sary, it never worked for my out of I don't know how many attempts....Earlier I used Pino but It does not have OAuth support now....so I went back again to Gwibber...
[17:40] <emvee> it could be bitchx in the terminal itself making xorg chew the cpu
[17:41] <emvee> it's about 30 usage now but goes up to over 50 just making the window full screen
[17:41] <emvee> when i changed to the second workspace after a time it lwered back to normal so suspect it's the bitchx terminal
[17:42] <sanna_> Sary, ubuntu-10.10-beta-desktop-amd64.iso made on the first of sep which is now the deafult 64-bit version of maverick beta
[17:43] <Sary> killer999, don't know why it didn't work for ya .. have tried another program
[17:43] <Sary> sanna_, OKay. just checking to make it sure
[17:44] <emvee> bb after i check how it goes log out of irc
[17:45] <Sary> emve
[17:45] <Sary> ah
[17:47] <ryanakca> How do I get pulse to recognize my hardware sound card? It's pavucontrol only shows a Dummy Output under Virtual Output Devices and nothing under Hardware Output Devices...
[17:47] <mv> definitely bitchx making xorg kind of hay wire i think
[17:48] <mv> simple program though. ug, now everything is jolting. wnder if ur right about the videocard sidnei
[17:48] <killer999> Sary, I used Pino but it does not support OAuth.
[17:49] <kklimonda> ryanakca: if it's happening just after installation (as opposed to after you have tinkered with your system) report it
[17:49] <ryanakca> kklimonda: Dist upgrade from lucid
[17:49] <ryanakca> (meaning I went from pulse-free to pulse)
[17:49] <kklimonda> ryanakca: oh, no idea then - make sure you have all packages installed.
[17:50] <Awsoonn> is there a known issue with firfox on 10.10? Immeadiatly craches when I try to run it.
[17:50] <hiku> Awsoonn: do you get any errors?
[17:51] <Awsoonn> firefox crash reporter opens up but hasn't anything that looks useful for debugging. Nothing in terminal either.
[17:51] <hiku> Awsoonn: odd. run strace?
[17:52] <Raydiation> ok
[17:52] <Raydiation> the nouveau driver crashes x
[17:52] <Raydiation> and the nvidia driver causes the theme engine to fail
[17:52] <Raydiation> great
[17:53] <blendmaster1024> what?? we're still using nouveau?
[17:53] <blendmaster1024> who's dumb idea was that?
[17:54] <blendmaster1024> can't we just use vesa on nvidia cards, with a highly recommended option to install nouveau or nvidia?
[17:54] <hiku> blendmaster1024: agreeded
[17:54] <blendmaster1024> 'cause nouveau causes huge problems for some nvidia cards
[17:55] <hiku> woot 26 more mins until I blow up my comp I guess
[17:55] <blendmaster1024> though admittedly it Just Works®
[17:55] <blendmaster1024> on some cards ...
[17:56] <Sary> sanna_,
[17:57] <Awsoonn> hiku: how do I get strace to save output to a file? i tired ' strace firefox -o strace.txt
[17:57] <martez89> I upgraded to 10.10 today, but when I try to start evolution nothing happens. When I put sudo apt-get install evolution in terminal I get this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: evolution : Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 2.30.2) but it is not going to be installed Depends: evolution-data-server (< 2.31) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[17:57] <martez89> * pyTopher has quit (Client Quit)
[17:57] <martez89> what can I do to solve this?
[17:59] <martez89> also I have this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/619365
[18:00] <martez89> I need to restart my notebook several time to get it to work
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: usually have to use "tee" as this shows - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[18:02] <Awsoonn>  strace firefox -o strace.txt
[18:02] <Awsoonn>  strace firefox -o strace.txt
[18:03] <Awsoonn> oh, sorry about the above~
[18:03] <charlie-tca> This one for 3.5 should also work for the latest firefox - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox#Firefox-3.5
[18:04] <charlie-tca> here is the one to tee strace - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace
[18:06] <killer999> this is the worst bug ever...gwibber only works if english (united states) is selected as default language...does not work with english(u.k). english (India) or any other english language
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: sorry, should have given you the strace thing first
[18:09] <Sary> killer999, have ya update lately ..
[18:10]  * Sary welcoming charlie-tca to Deviant ART
[18:10] <Sary> killer999, Wb
[18:11] <Sary> have ya checked for update's
[18:11] <killer999> Sary, what?
[18:11] <Sary> Wb = Welcome Back
[18:12] <killer999> Sary, thanx....i googled and found it only works if english u.s. is default language
[18:12] <Sary> Aha
[18:13] <killer999> Sary, yeah i updated it to the latest version with OAuth support
[18:13] <Sary> Nice
[18:13] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: that's fine, I should know this stuff by now anyways. :P which is better usine strace or gdb?
[18:14] <Sary> charlie-tca, killer999 see bug 629503
[18:17] <killer999> at least I got something....Gwibber only show DMs after I changed the langauge to english (u.s)...nothing else...no timeline....
[18:25] <sidnei> i've reverted to the nv driver (instead of nvidia) and now X is running more smoothly
[18:34] <Awsoonn> thank you all, my 10.10 system is working great now! What do ye reccomenmed I try out?
[18:41] <Sary> Awsoonn, Mine also Flawless, i may try out Compiz fusion as soon as the updates is over
[18:42] <Sary> PlayOnLinx for games , Vuze for torrents ..
[19:01] <Awsoonn> Sary: have you tried playOnLinux? I'm tempted to give it a whirl~
[19:03] <yofel_> Sary: pong (was in town)
[19:07] <yofel> nvidia 256.53 and qt4.7-rc1 uploaded, nice :D
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Awsoonn: depends on the app you need traced. Not all applications can be gdb traced
[19:25] <charlie-tca> and some developers prefer that strace instead.
[19:28] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: I found the problem was in IcedTea , removing it solved mah issues :)
[19:28] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Great! Kind of annoying to find that kind of issue, though
[19:31] <charlie-tca> koud, Sary : might want a look at bug 608382, comment 20
[19:32] <koud> charlie-tca: my problem was with unetbootin
[19:32] <charlie-tca> oh, sorry
[19:33] <koud> charlie-tca: I got a working usb by getting the pre released version for lucid of usbcreator
[19:33] <koud> charlie-tca: as mentioned in comment 35
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Oh, good!
[19:46] <switz_> after upgrading I can't start x anymore
[19:50] <yofel> switz_: ati?
[19:50] <tgpraveen> hey please help just installed meerkat beta. now am lacking visual effects and in proprietary emnu its showing no additional drivers available. i am using ati radeon 5670hd
[19:51] <tgpraveen> what should i do? this is my first time with ubuntu+ati cards. is this normal or this is a beta issue?
[19:51] <kklimonda> erm, why is appmenu-gtk so slow? o.O
[19:51] <kklimonda> hmm, not in every application
[19:52] <yofel> tgpraveen: ati drivers arrive usually pretty late in the release, so that's pretty usualy
[19:52] <yofel> *usual
[19:52] <tgpraveen> yofel: but then i should get the option of lucid's ati drivers or something
[19:52] <yofel> (I'm an nvidia person, so please don't ask me *when* it's going to be there)
[19:52] <yofel> tgpraveen: that doesn't work since maverick has a newer X
[19:53] <tgpraveen> somebody with ati drivers tell me how to get it. right now i dont even have window borders
[19:53] <reig> I'm trying to test the maverick but at boot time error messages just flash on the screen and then it goes blank. How can I get those messages?n
[20:01] <DanaG> Hmm, this 1px window border nearly impossible to grab.
[20:03] <DanaG> It's literally 0.1728 millimeters.
[20:03] <DanaG> er, lost an 'is', there.
[20:05] <duffydack> yup :)
[20:06] <charlie-tca> reig: remove "quiet splash" from the boot line in the grub menu
[20:07] <reig> charlie-tca: thanks, I will try that now
[20:40] <duffydack> b43 driver still fails to install.. meh.
[20:43] <IdleOne> 113 updates! can't wait to see what breaks
[20:43] <duffydack> am I the only one who cant get the b43 driver to install.  just goes thru it like its installing then errors.  STA does fine.
[20:44] <IdleOne> what's the error?
[20:44] <IdleOne> I don't use b43 mind you
[20:45] <duffydack> with jockey
[20:45] <duffydack> I dont usually use it but I`m just trying it out, as its been junk in the past for me..
[20:46] <bhundven> hello. a while back I swapped caps lock and ctrl using the keyboard preferences pane in gnome. Now I want to switch back, but when I set it back to defaults the setting doesn't stick.
[20:47] <bhundven> When I did this, I also clicked "Apply System-Wide"
[20:47] <bhundven> I forgot about ubuntu+1, and someone said to try turnning off Seperate layouts for each window, but that didn't help at all.
[20:50] <duffydack> IdleOne,  just says installation of the driver failed, see log.  The package is installed tho according to apt.   Just wont enable the driver I guess.  Tried with 2 broadcom adpaters
[20:50] <IdleOne> installed and configured properly are two different things
[20:51] <IdleOne> you tried dpkg -configure -a ?
[20:51] <duffydack> k
[20:51] <IdleOne> --configure
[20:52] <duffydack> nothing..
[20:52] <IdleOne> :/
[20:53] <murielgodoi> Hi guys, my netbook stopped while doing a "update-manager -d" How should I proceed?
[21:03] <billybigrigger> anyone else here recently loose their ambiance-maverick-beta theme?
[21:06] <mvo> murielgodoi: stoped in what way? froze solid?
[21:06] <Sary> charlie-tca, I sow the bug 608382 .. will keep it noted for sharing
[21:06] <duffydack> IdleOne, removed it, and installed from shell, installed ok but I needed to modprobe b43 to get anything in NM to show up, which the only it did show was greyed out wireless (device not ready no firmware)
[21:07] <Sary> charlie-tca, Thanks , have seen my bug
[21:07] <murielgodoi> mvo: Seens that grub config dialog openned in background but i could't access that due to metacity crash
[21:07] <Sary> charlie-tca, see bug 629503
[21:10] <murielgodoi> mvo: I tried a metacoty -- replace, but metacity didn't load back
[21:11] <murielgodoi> mvo: so I restarted in tty1 and now running a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:14] <mvo> murielgodoi: ok
[21:14] <murielgodoi> mvo: should I fill a bug?
[21:15] <mvo> murielgodoi: about the metacity crash please
[21:15] <murielgodoi> mvo: How can I get the metacity crash logs after the complete instalation?
[21:18] <mvo> murielgodoi: it should be in /var/crash
[21:18] <murielgodoi> mvo: cool.. i will check that
[21:19]  * murielgodoi thanks mvo
[21:20] <Awsoonn> bug 614067 /joing ubuntu-motu
[21:20] <Awsoonn> sorry about that... :(
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Sary: hope it helps
[21:26] <charlie-tca> there should be another bug about that keyboard applet too. I will see if I can find it
[21:27] <charlie-tca> Sary: bug 592989 for xfce
[21:29] <DanaG> Say, how do I get filelight to stop scanning across filesystem boundaries?
[21:35] <zniavre> good evening
[21:36] <zniavre> i saw nvidia 256.xx updated this night, how long do you think the:173.14.xx legacy driver will be updated too ?
[21:37] <zniavre> (i hope the 256.xx is usable now if it supports 1.9 xserver
[21:38] <sidnei_> it wasnt for me, very sluggish scrolling
[21:38] <voidmage> okay, 256.53 hit maverick restricted
[21:38] <voidmage> time to beta it up
[21:38] <Sary> charlie-tca, Wow ! isn't that something  .. and i lost the Keyboard applet again ! not again :(
[21:38] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:38] <zniavre> sidnei_,  did you use the "ignoreABI" stuff?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Sary: Seems like a bug ;-(
[21:39] <quidnunc> I have "deb http://gpl.savoirfairelinux.net/pub/mirrors/ubuntu/ meerkat main multiverse restricted universe" in my sources.list but I keep getting "404 Not Found" with "aptitude update". Browsing the mirror via HTTP makes it seem that the files are there. Anyone know what the problem could be?
[21:39] <sidnei_> zniavre, wasn't needed apparently, but would that cause a performance issue?
[21:39] <zniavre> sidnei_,  i do not know
[21:39] <Sary> charlie-tca, Yeah.
[21:40] <yofel> quidnunc: that should be 'maverick' , not 'meerkat'
[21:40] <Sary> And that got to be my first bug to report Thaha
[21:40] <Sary> kroson, Wb
[21:40] <kroson> hi there Sary
[21:41] <yofel> zniavre: ignoreABI isn't needed with 256.53 anymore
[21:41] <Sary> he kroson friend :)
[21:41] <quidnunc> yofel: That was silly of me. Thanks
[21:41] <Sary> killer999, Wb
[21:41] <killer999> Sary, xD
[21:42] <voidmage> my connection is so slow~
[21:42] <voidmage> i get antsy when i'm waiting on the big upgrades
[21:43] <DanaG> Just be glad you don't have hardware that needs 96 drivers... those have been dead for like 3-4 years.  Glad I got rid of my last thing that used that garbage.
[21:43] <voidmage> and "you have held broken packages"
[21:48] <Sary> Salutation Maverick's :D
[21:49] <voidmage> first have to grab 600MB of texlive packages
[21:49] <voidmage> THEN the 1.2GB or however many of maverick packages
[21:49] <voidmage> :<
[21:50] <Sary> You need some speed up :)
[21:50] <voidmage> 3 meg dsl
[21:50] <voidmage> ftl
[21:50] <voidmage> i refuse to give comcast my money, and uverse will never happen in my neighborhood
[21:55] <Sary> 3 meg , sounds good
[21:55]  * charlie-tca thinks fast compared to the 1.2MB/s max here
[21:56] <Sary> AT&T , whats up with that
[21:56] <Sary> charlie-tca, i am close to yours :)
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Qwest here
[21:56] <charlie-tca> 4 hours to d/l a dvd image
[21:56] <Sary> Aww
[21:57] <charlie-tca> and it was only 1.8GB
[21:57] <voidmage> yay at&t 8D
[21:57] <voidmage> surprisingly my line is faster when i pay for 3 meg service than 6 meg
[21:57] <voidmage> SNR gets too high at 6 meg
[21:57] <charlie-tca> really?
[21:57] <Sary> Wow
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe they are changing the server then. If they switch you to an overloaded system, it slows down a lot
[21:58] <voidmage> nah it was a line problem
[21:58] <voidmage> in the copper
[21:58] <charlie-tca> yeah, that does it too
[21:59] <tuga3d> hi all, just testing 10.10 beta. i'm using Empathy and i cant see the users in the irc.
[21:59] <Sary> hey tuga3d
[21:59] <Sary> Mmm
[22:00] <tuga3d> Sary, are you on 10.10 beta?
[22:00] <Sary> Yep
[22:01] <tuga3d> are you using emphaty to access irc?
[22:01] <Sary> I will do now
[22:01] <tuga3d> Sary: thnks :)
[22:02] <Maverick-B> tuga3d: You are right .. the user list is empty
[22:03] <tuga3d> :) i've never post a bug, do you post or do i?
[22:03] <Sary> :)
[22:04] <Sary> Well ,i reported my first bug just early today
[22:04] <tuga3d> :)
[22:04] <charlie-tca> you can post it using ubuntu-bug empathy  in a terminal
[22:04] <tuga3d> gonna try it
[22:05] <Sary> Yeah , thats easy and simple
[22:06] <Maverick-B> Maybe if i change the theme  , the list will show up lol
[22:06] <Maverick-B> I am out
[22:10] <Sary> tuga3d, see bug 622684
[22:10] <tuga3d> Sary, ok
[22:11] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with rebuilding nvidia kernel modules with dkms?
[22:12] <tuga3d> Sary, that's it :)
[22:12] <billybigrigger> nvidia-current, 256.53, 2.6.35-19-generic, x86_64: installed
[22:12] <DanaG> Weird... my gwibber is entirely empty.
[22:12] <billybigrigger> dkms states i have 256.33 installed, but nvidia-xsetttings reports xxx.44 which is preventing me from launching starcraft 2, i get this error message
[22:13] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1931994
[22:13] <tuga3d> Sary, i'm going to update. i think it's fixed
[22:13] <billybigrigger> any suggestions on how to correct this API mismatch error
[22:13] <Sary> tuga3d, Yeah .. look at comment #6 .. i got the - 2.31.91.1-0ubuntu1
[22:13] <Sary> DanaG, same here .. so far
[22:14] <tuga3d> Sary, upgrading now
[22:14] <Sary> Nice
[22:14] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, have you restarted since you updated nvidia-current?
[22:14] <bjsnider> if not, you need to
[22:14] <billybigrigger> yes i have
[22:14] <billybigrigger> i noticed no plymouth on boot-up which was my first guess something nvidia-related was broken
[22:15] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:15] <billybigrigger> holy smokes!
[22:15] <billybigrigger> :P
[22:15] <voidmage> billybigrigger: try dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-current
[22:15] <voidmage> that usually forced a rebuild
[22:15] <billybigrigger> will do
[22:15] <billybigrigger> even though dkms status reports nvidia-current, 256.53, 2.6.35-19-generic, x86_64: installed
[22:16] <Sary> BUGabundo,WB
[22:16] <bjsnider> is that the kernel you're booting?
[22:16] <billybigrigger> Linux cabo 2.6.35-19-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Sun Aug 29 06:34:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:17] <billybigrigger> i'll try another reboot i guess
[22:17] <billybigrigger> brb
[22:17] <bjsnider> do a flea power reboot
[22:19] <billybigrigger> ok
[22:19] <billybigrigger> let's see if that worked
[22:19] <billybigrigger> still no plymouth
[22:19] <billybigrigger> nvidia x server settings reports xxx.53 now though, which is good :P
[22:19] <bjsnider> if this doesn't work:
[22:19] <bjsnider> if this doesn't work:
[22:19] <bjsnider> do a flea power reboot
[22:20] <voidmage> has nvidia ever worked with plymouth?
[22:20] <billybigrigger> voidmage, yes
[22:21] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, call me stupid, but i've never heard of a flea power reboot
[22:21] <billybigrigger> but SC2 launches now, now i'm getting crashes when exiting, but i don't plan on exiting again now for a few hours :P
[22:21] <bjsnider> well, that was the problem though
[22:22] <bjsnider> data stuck in memory that survives a reboot
[22:22] <voidmage> billybigrigger: is this new with 10.10? i could never get it to do more than the ugly low-res thing in 10.04
[22:22] <billybigrigger> voidmage, now you have me wondering if it ever did work
[22:22] <bjsnider> you have to power off, unplug it, and drain the power out of the ram by pressing the power switch for 30-45 seconds.
[22:23] <billybigrigger> my laptop used to run 10.10 but it had an ati card, maybe that's where i'm seeing plymouth
[22:23] <reya2276> Wow the Unity UI is complicated there is no way to close an open tab
[22:23] <reya2276> like how do you close the applications tab
[22:23] <reya2276> or how do you add another user to the system?
[22:23] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, right, my desktop is never powered off :P
[22:24] <billybigrigger> thanks for the help though guys, off to play some sc for a few......hours :P
[22:26] <reya2276> is there a Manual for the Unity Netbook UI?
[22:27] <yofel> voidmage: I got low-res and low-color-depth in lucid, in maverick I still get low-res plymouth, but at least the color depth looks better (didn't try with 256.53 yet though)
[22:29] <ethana3> anybody here using ARGB translucency?
[22:29] <tuga3d> Sary: perfect :)
[22:33] <kim0> Hi folks .. I'm on Maverick up2date, using the closed nvidia driver. Is it normal to have Xorg using 12% CPU while doing nothing (starring at top) ?
[22:35] <voidmage> i still can't upgrade to beta, saying i have held broken packages
[22:35] <voidmage> just ran apt-get -f install
[22:35] <yofel> voidmage: something like bug 614993?
[22:36] <voidmage> not sure,m but i do have that package installed
[22:36] <yofel> can you check the logs?
[22:37] <voidmage> where are the logs?
[22:38] <yofel> good question, somewhere in /var/log I think
[22:38] <voidmage> okay mine looks like it's broken on libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
[22:39] <voidmage> let me paste th is
[22:39] <Raydiation> kroson: hehe, i figured out the cause of the theme engine problems
[22:39] <Raydiation> its the nvidia driver
[22:39] <voidmage> http://pastebin.com/epUXxyJN
[22:39] <Raydiation> it deactivates all gtk themes and activates stupid standard sounds
[22:39] <voidmage> okay it's deeper than that maybe
[22:40] <voidmage> everything is broken it looks like
[22:40] <sburwood> Should Maverick work on an EEE PC and or on a Pentium 4 at 2.4 Ghz?
[22:40] <Raydiation> this is the most bugged beta ive ever tried
[22:40] <sburwood> and how could I test it before installing it definively?
[22:41] <yofel> live disk/usb?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> sburwood: download the desktop cd and use "try before installing"
[22:42] <ethana3> sburwood: given 640+ MB of RAM, you should be able to run a liveUSB or liveCD of 10.10 to test
[22:42] <yofel> voidmage: actually, dist-upgrade here errors out on libgtk2.0-bin - which sounds like your problem
[22:42] <yofel> should be resolved in a few hours
[22:42] <BUGabundo> so guys, how did the release go?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> seeing a lot of KDE files still waiting to be built
[22:43] <yofel> BUGabundo: suddenly everyone is complaining that it's broken :P
[22:43] <yofel> right, that would be KDE 4.5.1
[22:43] <voidmage> been trying to upgrade the minute 256.53 was available
[22:43] <Raydiation> anyone using the proprietary nvidia driver?
[22:43] <Raydiation> the current one is messed up
[22:43] <Raydiation> slow performance and theme problems
[22:44] <ChogyDan> Raydiation: it boots now?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> yofel: they should know better: NEVER upgrade
[22:44] <Raydiation> ChogyDan: ?
[22:44] <yofel> heh
[22:44] <BUGabundo> Raydiation: LONG LIVE nouveau
[22:44] <BUGabundo> it even has 3D now
[22:44] <ChogyDan> Raydiation: yesterday, it didn't boot, haven't tried it today
[22:44] <Raydiation> BUGabundo: nouveau causes X freezes
[22:45] <yofel> nvidia is pretty fine here, feels a bit slower with new X, but 3D nouveau feels even slower here
[22:45] <BUGabundo> Raydiation: WFM
[22:45] <Raydiation> wfm?
[22:45] <voidmage> [ ]	libgtk2.0-bin_2.21.7-1ubuntu1_all.deb	03-Sep-2010 13:06 	 40K
[22:45] <DanaG> wfm = "works for me"
[22:45] <BUGabundo> what he said
[22:46] <yofel> voidmage: right, here it's holding it back at 2.21.6-1ubuntu3
[22:46] <Raydiation> BUGabundo: after some time everything except mouse and sound freezes
[22:46] <Raydiation> i cant restart X nor ctrl alt f1
[22:46] <Raydiation> so nouveau is even more messed up
[22:46] <yofel> Raydiation: I saw that too, but not recently
[22:46] <yofel> ant with nvidia that is
[22:46] <Raydiation> gtx 275
[22:47] <Raydiation> experienced it 2 times today
[22:47] <yofel> nouveau gives me a black screen after a while
[22:47] <Raydiation> when watching video
[22:47] <yofel> Raydiation: freeze with nvidia or nouveau?
[22:47] <Raydiation> nouveau
[22:47] <Raydiation> i filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/629868
[22:48] <voidmage> okay i see it now
[22:48] <voidmage> actually checked packages.gz
[22:48] <Raydiation> plus dont ask me why: nvidia activates stupid standard sounds
[22:49] <Raydiation> maybe the installation or activation messes up gconf
[22:49] <jesse2> Hello.  Has anyone know if Ubuntu Tweak (latest version... 0.5.6) works with Ubuntu 10.10 beta?
[22:49] <Raydiation> or the db where usersettings are stored
[22:50] <C-S-B> urgh, meerkat upgrade is horribly broken, no gnome panel and missing dependencies
[22:50] <killer999> gwibber is not even starting....can someone take a look at this...http://pastebin.com/PJhbLCFV
[22:50] <Raydiation> most broken beta ever imho
[22:50] <Raydiation> stupid release date
[22:50] <Raydiation> installer is great btw
[22:51] <charlie-tca> and I was thinking everything is actually working this time
[22:51] <Raydiation> killer999: twitter is broken iirc
[22:51] <voidmage> why would the version be stuck if the package is uploaded in the archives?
[22:51] <yofel> jesse2: not sure, but it should work mostly (but we don't support ubuntu-tweak here as it's 3rd party software)
[22:52] <ChogyDan> voidmage: try apt-get installing the packages
[22:52] <yofel> voidmage: not sure, maybe the arch-independent part didn't yet build on LP and now the deps are broken
[22:52] <voidmage> don't think i can, this is for a dist-upgrade
[22:52] <killer999> Raydiation, what u mean?
[22:52] <voidmage> yofel: it looks like it's an amd64 only problem
[22:52] <voidmage> the version is right on 32 bit
[22:52] <Raydiation> killer999: gwibber is broken atm due to twitter api change iirc
[22:53] <ChogyDan> voidmage: apt-get install will sometimes tell more info on why a package is help back
[22:53] <yofel> voidmage: right, arch-independent is built on i386, probably the amd64 builds are out of sync
[22:53] <voidmage> ChogyDan: but i can't because i'm still on 10.04 trying to upgrade
[22:53] <C-S-B> I
[22:53] <C-S-B> think Im subject of a partial upgrade
[22:54] <C-S-B> best to wait till the packages sync again?
[22:54] <ChogyDan> voidmage: I know, but apt-get install will process an upgrade:  apt-get install <package to upgrade>
[22:54] <killer999> Raydiation, but it should start at least.....its not even launching....nothing happens when i click on gwiiber
[22:54] <voidmage> yes, nothing happens
[22:54] <voidmage> because i'm still on lucid
[22:54] <jesse2> yofel: thanks
[22:54] <yofel> C-S-B: you could try apt-get install -f, but check what it wants to do first before applying
[22:55] <C-S-B> yofel, ive tried
[22:55] <Raydiation> killer999: it starts here
[22:55] <Raydiation> killer999: try removing any config files in your home dir
[22:55] <voidmage> okay it looks like the amd64 build was fixed an hour ago, so next time the publisher runs
[22:55] <voidmage> how often is that?
[22:55] <Raydiation> .gwibber if there is such
[22:56] <yofel> voidmage: publisher every 10-15min iirc, mirrors get synced every few hours
[22:56] <DanaG> Say, my gwibber is completely empty -- no messages.
[22:56] <killer999> Raydiation, no .gwibber file
[22:56] <DanaG> It's pointed only at facebook.
[22:56] <Raydiation> killer999: .config/gwibber?
[22:57] <C-S-B> yofel, looks like even gnome isnt intalled ?
[22:57] <yofel> C-S-B: wait a while then, I have held packages too here
[22:57] <yofel> C-S-B: try to install ubuntu-desktop
[22:57] <killer999> Raydiation, ok i delete the folder or what is inside
[22:58] <C-S-B> yofel, fails
[22:58] <DanaG> Hmm, there's also .config/desktop-couch
[22:58] <DanaG> and .cache/desktop-couch
[22:58] <yofel> C-S-B: then try again in an hour or two
[22:58] <C-S-B> yofel, i have no panel, icons, window frames
[22:58] <quidnunc> What is new in Meerkat. I can't find a summary besides the bug list
[22:59] <DanaG> Great, it lets me authorize, but there's no way to "add"/
[22:59] <yofel> ubuntu-desktop should take care of installing everything you need
[22:59] <Raydiation> quidnunc: bugged as hell
[23:00] <voidmage> okay there we go
[23:00] <voidmage> package got published, upgrade's on the way
[23:00] <ChogyDan> quidnunc: there is a link in the /topic
[23:00] <voidmage> what the, why does it want to remove evolution
[23:00] <voidmage> i find that weird
[23:01] <reya2276> is there a way to change themes in Unity?
[23:01] <quidnunc> ChogyDan: Which one of those links has a feature list that does not just link to a list of bugs (i.e. "the blueprint list")
[23:01] <quidnunc> ?
[23:01] <ChogyDan> quidnunc: the beta release notes
[23:02] <quidnunc> ChogyDan: Where is that?
[23:02] <killer999> Raydiation, hey u have solved all my problems in gwibber....gr8 man
[23:02] <quidnunc> ChogyDan: The section "Ubuntu desktop edition"?
[23:02] <Raydiation> killer999:  :)
[23:02] <Raydiation> quidnunc: i didnt see much changes. big change is the new installer which is really awesome. basically just a new software release
[23:02] <yofel> quidnunc: type '/topic' into the reply field, click on the link after 'Beta released'
[23:03] <quidnunc> Raydiation: Thanks, that answers my question.
[23:03] <Raydiation> quidnunc: all in all stay with lucid if you dont depend on any new software
[23:03] <Raydiation> this one will get very ugly :)
[23:04] <quidnunc> Raydiation: Too late. The wheels are in motion.
[23:04] <killer999> quidnunc, go here http://ubuntu-vibes.blogspot.com/
[23:04] <voidmage> woah, somehow closed this tab
[23:08] <DanaG> My gwibber gives me no way to actually ADD a facebook account.
[23:08] <killer999> Raydiation, waht database gwibber uses?
[23:08] <DanaG> It lets me authorize, and that's it!
[23:08] <Raydiation> killer999: they changed to sqlite
[23:10] <DanaG> If it was a "success", then where the heck is my ADD button?
[23:10] <DanaG> All it does is make the window bigger and bigger, with useless textboxes saying "success"!
[23:10] <DanaG> success.  success.  success.  success.  success.  success.  success.  success.  success.  success.
[23:11] <DanaG> And I can't tab from the "account type" dropbdown to the "add" button.
[23:12] <duffydack> gwibber aint bad but when I actually try to do something it wants me to use a browser so, eh.
[23:13] <killer999> DanaG, I got the same problem with twitter....i logged out n came back....and I was able to add new account after authorization/success
[23:19] <DanaG> ah, I had to actually purge and reinstall gwibber!
[23:19] <tuga3d> will inkscape be upgraded? (0.48)?
[23:21] <yofel> tuga3d: unless there is a very good reason to, no
[23:21] <yofel> (requires a Feature Freeze Exception)
[23:21] <DanaG> ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on com.Gwibber.Searches:/com/gwibber/Searches: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.Gwibber.Searches was not provided by any .service files
[23:21] <tuga3d> yofel: not a very good reason, just some some new cool stuff :)
[23:22] <yofel> tuga3d: then probably not, best chance to get it is to request a backport once it's in natty
[23:22] <mininessie> any good playstion 1 emulators for maverick meerkat
[23:22] <tuga3d> yofel: ok, thanks for the info
[23:23] <mininessie> any good playstion 1 emulators for maverick meerkat
[23:24] <killer999> DanaG, Raydiation's hint worked for me...may be you should try that....delete files from home>.config>gwibber.....restart gwibber
[23:25] <mininessie> any good playstion 1 emulators for maverick meerkat
[23:27] <DanaG> Great, all it gives me is bubbles with "Links" "Pages" "News Feed"
[23:27] <jesse2> Whenever i download a .deb file in firefox, it tries to open it with the archive manager.  how can i change this to something like the ubuntu software center?
[23:27] <DanaG> It let me add the account now... but all it gives me is names of channels, not the content OF those channels!
[23:27] <killer999> DanaG, did u delete the files from gwibber folder?
[23:27] <DanaG> Oh, I see... I had to hit F5 for each.
[23:28] <mininessie> any good playstion 1 emulators for maverick meerkat
[23:28] <DanaG> Did previously, yes.
[23:28] <DanaG> Apparently they don't think it's a good idea to get the list of items in a channel when you open that channel.  How stupid.
[23:29] <DanaG> Gwibber Dispatcher: INFO     Facebook error 4 - Application request limit reached
[23:30] <killer999> DanaG, lol I give up....but everything is working fine for me after ideleted the files...w8 i try with a fb account
[23:31] <DanaG> try pkill -f gwibber (to kill both it and the -service), and then gwibber-service -do
[23:36] <killer999> DanaG, whoa gwibber is not allowing me to add fb account....
[23:36] <DanaG> Facebook error 4 - Application request limit reached
[23:38] <C-S-B> Is there a login bug? after login it restarts gdm and requests you login again
[23:40] <mininessie> hi
[23:40] <killer999> how to kill monkey face icon in twitter stream?
[23:40] <mininessie> any good playstion 1 emulators for maverick meerkat
[23:48] <Raydiation> k, lucid got a kernel bug which wont be fixed and maverick is hell, fedora is buggy plus selinux, i dont want to waste time with gentoo config :// ill be going arch linux again (despite that i hate pacman=
[23:50] <crimsun_> Raydiation: why not use a custom kernel with a Debian derivative, then?
[23:51] <Raydiation> crimsun_: tried that already, wont work with nvidia driver
[23:51] <Raydiation> problem is i need a newer kernel than 2.6.32
[23:51] <reya276> Can Anyone tell me how I can run the Appearance Application in Ubuntu Netbook 10.10?
[23:52] <crimsun_> Raydiation: and you aren't using the maverick backport to lucid lts?
[23:53] <reya276> It does not seem to be install, so I can't change the font size or change the background wallpaper or the theme nothing at all
[23:53] <Raydiation> crimsun_: vanilla kernels wont work with nvidia
[23:53] <voidmage> hey did those thrashing performance patches ever make it in for maverick, or do i have to wait for natty?
[23:53] <Raydiation> no, no backports
[23:54] <crimsun_> Raydiation: no, I mean the backport of the maverick kernel to lucid lts
[23:54] <crimsun_> Raydiation: meaning, linux-image-generic-lts-backport-maverick
[23:55] <Raydiation> crimsun_: i have a slight feeling that ill inherit the nvidia/nouveau issues with it
[23:57] <litropy> Hi, peeps. I've got an issue with spoofing my Atheros wireless card running ath9k. See here, and thanks in advance: http://pastebin.com/jjKM1XD1
[23:57] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:57] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ping
[23:58] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: pong
[23:58] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: you had a GAFYD didn't you ?
[23:58] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: yeah
[23:58] <BUGabundo> you can now convert that to a real google account
[23:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've ran away from Google
[23:59] <kklimonda> ;)
[23:59] <BUGabundo> I just did it on mine
[23:59] <BUGabundo> okay then
[23:59] <BUGabundo> move along
[23:59] <crimsun_> litropy: the switch is an rfkill switch; it doesn't unload then reload the driver.
[23:59] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: but thats greate news actually
[23:59] <BUGabundo> it is
[23:59] <crimsun_> litropy: that said, it is possible that there is a bug in your wifi chipset's driver