[00:00] LOL [00:00] so it doesn't suck? [00:00] I heard the background looks like vomit [00:01] There is more than just the wallpaper... [00:01] I hear you can change that with a couple of clicks of the mouse [00:01] td123: no that was the place holder [00:01] ah ok [00:02] good to know === Bridge|A is now known as Bridge| [00:03] ahh [00:03] I just saw the wallpaper [00:03] and EEWWWWW [00:03] BUGabundo: uhmm I am about to download this and vm [00:05] It is ... , isn't it? [00:09] there we go! [00:12] BUGabundo, charlie-tca i PRAY (and i'm not a religious person) that the default wallpaper is changed prior to release (but fear it won't be) [00:12] It is real easy to change. Don't let it stop you [00:13] +1 [00:13] charlie-tca, oh changing it isn't an issue - the "image" of ubuntu is, i remember how much "slack" ubuntu used to have with the brown, now are we to be know as the OS with the bad wallpaper ;) [00:14] Ubuntu has been for several releases [00:21] charlie-tca: 8.04 background by default was alright, 8.10 is awesome. 9.04 and 9.10 were jokes, 10.04 was ok [00:22] charlie-tca: and versions of Ubuntu before 8.04, ddin't have great backgrounds, but they were ok [00:22] so what is changing with the 10.10 version? [00:22] charlie-tca: not much for the desktop edition really [00:22] bad is bad [00:22] charlie-tca: 10.10 gets a new installer [00:23] charlie-tca: a sound menu, and some changes to the software centre, thats about it for 10.10, well I am on the verge of vm'ing the beta here [00:23] but the wallpaper we are seeing is aweful [00:23] charlie-tca: is it the same one as they were complaining about before? [00:23] on omgubuntu and what not [00:24] as far as I know. At least, real close [00:24] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/on-that-wallpaper-you-know-which-one.html [00:25] charlie-tca: and here it is http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-default-wallpaper.html [00:25] looks like what I saw [00:27] to make the list complete: bug 625193 [00:27] Launchpad bug 625193 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Official 10.10 wallpaper is unappealing" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625193 [00:30] where are the torrent file to beta? [00:32] torrent.ubuntu,com [00:32] torrent.ubuntu,com:6969 [00:32] cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases [00:37] BUGabundo / Andre_Gondim: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/download [00:38] so? [00:38] he asked for the torrent [00:38] he can get those from any link I gave him [00:39] jpds, did you see any torrent there? [00:42] Oh my, they're not on http://br.releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ [00:42] Oh, no, they're on there now. [00:43] http://www.rnp.br/ceo/trafego/?tipo_arquivo=1&origem=PR - Hmm. [00:43] * BUGabundo slaps jpds with a sleeping pill [00:43] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.10/beta/ here doesn't have torrent file either [00:44] charlie-tca: ok on the install screen thingey [00:44] charlie-tca: in my vm [00:44] charlie-tca: and yes that is the wallpaper people complained about [00:45] well lets try the live session in my vm [00:46] Andre_Gondim: They're on http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ if you can't find them elsewhere. [00:46] let me c [00:47] No announcement on milling list ! [00:49] Now thats funny , Thaha [00:50] Sary|away: There was to ubuntu-announce. [00:51] how is vdpau support in 3D nouvaue ? bjsnider [00:53] does ubuntu maverick use hybrid iso? [00:54] what's an hybrid iso?? [00:54] BUGabundo: which you can just dd onto a usb stick [00:54] no [00:55] use usb-creator [00:55] you'v *GOT* to be kidding [00:55] or .... what was it called [00:55] hrm so the installer for 10.10 in the live session [00:55] in my vm [00:55] has crashed it seems [00:55] all distros have had hybrid ISOs from around 3-4 release cycles now [00:56] great for them [00:56] we have usb-creator [00:56] how's that [00:57] rohan: usb-creator is more user-friendly than dd. [00:58] jpds: what's the other tool name? [00:58] the one cross OS? I forgot [00:58] unetbootin? [00:58] that one [00:59] nite guys [00:59] BUGabundo, jpds : usb-creator on 8.04 doesn't work with newer isos [01:00] and DD is way faster, and easier, than usb-creator [01:00] keep up the good work on the releasee [01:00] actually it only depends on your flash drive [01:00] but okay === Bridge| is now known as Bridge|A [01:31] does anyone know anything about madwifi? [01:37] I just upgraded from 10.04 to the 10.10 beta through the update manager, after restaring though ubuntu boots into a command line asking me to login there, it reocgnises my old user/pass but after that no Gnome Desktop , just the command line. Running in dual boot with Win7 if thats relevnat. Any idea what ive done ? [01:39] Josefu8: using nvidia by chance? [01:39] Yep [01:39] a driver issue ? [01:39] this was not the correct time to upgrade [01:40] not until the day after the beta freeze ends [01:40] Josefu8: if you have a network connection, 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' [01:41] the new driver will be there in a couple days [01:42] okay, ill write that down and do it in a few days. thanks a lot. [01:42] Josefu8: if you do it in a few days just do a dist-upgrade, you'll only need the ppa if you want the driver now [01:43] ah okay I see. Great, glad I dont have to do a fresh install. [01:43] no, see bug 616023 for the report about this [01:43] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 [01:45] cool, I'll just wait for the fix then, Thanks again [01:46] hey, I just upgraded my desktop to the beta, and my boot stalls after a bit at plymouth. I'm on the machine right now in Failsafe X which works fine.. where should I look to troubleshoot? === avi_ is now known as divecks [01:48] ooo, beta is out [01:49] divecks: do you have an nvidia card? [01:49] voidmage, Ah I just found the issue [01:49] voidmage, In /var/log/xorg, I find that: [01:50] http://pastebay.com/103988 [01:50] divecks: see bug 616023 [01:50] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 [01:50] But.. this is ATI. [01:50] oh [01:50] no, that's ATI, but fglrx is broken too [01:51] fglrx is the propriety ATI driver. [01:51] ah dear. [01:51] then fglrx is also broken, and i don't know the bug number for it [01:51] try IgnoreABI in your xorg.conf [01:51] So obviously I can use the free drivers, right? [01:51] right [01:51] those should work [01:51] right. I mean because im in failsafe x now. [01:51] that's a real bummer. [01:51] is a fix in progress? [01:52] ooh this is interesting. [01:52] fglrx is typically broken until the last week before an ubuntu release [01:52] So I'm using the latest ATI fglrx driver because it fixed a long-standing issue [01:52] bjsnider: heh, ati [01:52] there's no more ati [01:53] meaning that i bypassed the Additional Drivers GUI thing [01:53] amd dropped the brand [01:53] and in there I get a new driver i've not seen before [01:53] "ATI Fire GL: [01:53] how odd. [01:53] no description. [01:54] okay so now, how do I install the free drivers? [01:55] wow. [01:55] my xorg just quit. [01:55] kicked me back to login screen. [01:55] *sigh& [01:55] why did I install this beta.. [01:56] funny, i was just going to ask the same thing [01:57] :) [01:57] you could buy an nvidia card :P [01:57] * voidmage hides before they catch me for bad advice [01:57] lol [01:57] too bad I'm using an iMac. [01:57] can't even upgrade the ram hardly. [01:59] i don't know why he thinks he can improve on the excellent mac osx with linux [02:02] bjsnider: i want to do that once i got so much money that i dont know what to buy [02:02] so when does beta "unfreeze" for 616023 to be officially released? [02:02] pissing off the macscientology [02:03] voidmage, couple days [02:04] hey.. it's me again. [02:04] the guy with the tempermental X.org. [02:04] i'm in a different parition now. [02:05] so my question is, how do I install the free drivers? [02:05] I can't use the built in hardware driver GUI because I didn't install the drivers in the first place like that.. [02:05] wtf.. the latest disk images don't have aptitude?! [02:05] rohan, Yeah I'm pretty sure they said they were dropping that. [02:06] is there some place where we can shout out that it's dumb decision? :P [02:06] rohan, #ubuntu? :) [02:06] I see why they removed it. [02:07] I mean it takes up SO much space on the CD ^^ [02:08] wait they really did remove aptitude from the cd? [02:08] yes sir. [02:08] yes [02:08] * voidmage has been using aptitude over apt-get for years because it handled dependencies/autoremove better [02:08] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/aptitude-removed-from-ubuntu-1010.html [02:08] quote from article: Update: apparently the reason for this is to free up some 13-14 mb of space from the CD. [02:08] nice. [02:08] well I prefer aptitude too but no point in software that duplicates functionality on the cd, just install it if you like it, like vim :) [02:09] hard to believe aptitude takes up 15 megs.. [02:09] Avo: i guess its its magic cow powers [02:09] mmm [02:10] well I guess now I have an excuse to go about re-doing my tripleboot from scratch. [02:10] HFS+, NTFS, and ext4 do NOT play well together. [02:11] hm is maverick reacting a bit slow for yall too? [02:11] I can't even get OS X reinstall CD to reinstall my OS X partition because the disk partitioner quits whenever it sees a drive with ext4.. [02:11] Avo: apple's love for foss [02:11] :D [02:11] It's really really annoying [02:11] their kinda nazi [02:12] it's like they built in specific discompatibility for anything linux [02:12] if this imac wasn't a gift, and I had known better 2 years ago, I wouldn't be using it today. [02:13] i came to the same conclusion with my ipod [02:13] Avo: mac is what m$ was 10 years ago [02:13] as long as i live i wont buy anthing from fruit again [02:13] td123, My thoughts exactly. [02:13] I don't think badly about MSFT anymore actually. [02:13] They stay out of people's hair usually.. [02:13] Raydiation, My hostname is evilfruit :) [02:14] :) [02:14] Avo: m$ is just silently screwing people :) [02:14] think different [02:14] think evil :D [02:14] my wallpaper is actually the BSD daemon with text that says [02:14] wonderful, beautiful, amazing, wonderful, unbelievable [02:14] http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=think%20correctly&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=944&bih=1069 [02:15] Avo: haha, thats great [02:15] :P [02:15] didn't know there was a debian one too. [02:15] So I was going to use Clonezilla to back up my ubuntu.. [02:15] I guess there's no point in doing that now.. [02:15] bah. what a bummer. [02:18] well I've gotta go. I've got a disk to clone.. [02:20] So, I just want to verify, nvidia drivers are kinda broken yet? I'm unable to "enable visual effects" [02:23] yofel, what are you going to do with your time when people stop asking these questions? [02:24] hah! Let me guessed, someone already asked this over 9000 times. [02:24] * h00k scrolls up [02:25] well, I'm not referring to bug 616023 [02:25] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 [02:34] what's the focus on in 10.10? speed? [02:37] meh, probably crapiness [02:37] :P [02:39] hmm, no response... dead channel [02:41] er. [02:41] hmmm, anyone know if it is possible to configure the dbus package within a chroot? [03:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole [03:46] Say, why does this have you set both netconsole= on kernel and "options netconsole" for module? [03:46] That seems redundant to me! [03:48] ARgh, damn gnome-power-manager is trying to give me a siezure. [03:48] Good thing I'm not epileptic. [03:48] It's flapping back and forth between two brightness levels as quickly as possible. [03:53] is there a ppa for freenx on maverick? [03:55] hi, running maverick in a chroot and procps, udev ad ubuntu-minimal fail to install. Clues? [04:00] Say, anyone know it netconsole can handle ipv6 addresses? [04:00] s/it/if/ [04:07] ARGH, stupid netconsole... I'm trying to debug a wlan0 crash, and it quits logging when I unload the driver for my wlan card... even if I'm netconsole logging over eth0! [04:09] Is the libgirepository update suppose to try to replace gnome with kde? === avi_ is now known as divecks === shadeslayer is now known as Guest3799 [05:14] Hey guys.. how can I show my list of PPAs in maverick software center, like I had in Lucid? [05:15] Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 10.10b... how do I rename my computer? It's something like albuz-desktop [05:17] edit /etc/hostname ... sorry I forgot to google that first :$ [05:38] My Ubuntu One doesn't connecting [05:40] I don't have that optoin to add my computer === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:19] can some one help me out upgrading to beta 10.10 [06:20] bdogg, update-manager -d [06:20] lol yeah i did that [06:20] but i get an error saying something about unsupported sources [06:29] when i try to update i get this error [06:29] Could not calculate the upgrade An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. This can be caused by: * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu [06:50] * DanaG vomits on the Lucid wallpaper, and calls it art. [06:50] Now THIS is art: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/details/1922/oirase_gorge.html [08:05] too scary for me try back in a week - thanks [09:42] since the b* file system will not be in meercat, i can't think of the name, do i need to reinstall if i used that file system for the alphas? [09:57] kklimonda: what file ystem ? [10:00] Can I update to 10.10 beta from synaptic from 10.04? [10:02] Hello All, is netbooting known to be broken at the moment? [10:02] industrial: are you %100 sure you want to do that [10:02] screen-x: not that I'm aware of [10:04] industrial: thats broken at the moment [10:04] ikonia: thanks. Must be me then, I'm having trouble adding maverick netboot options to a working lucid netboot server. [10:05] screen-x: I could be wrong, but I've not heard anyone else moan abou tit [10:05] it === Sary is now known as Sary|away [10:52] Hi [10:53] After installing and removing network-indicator-applet, my network-manager stoped working. I have internet, but network-manager-gnome shows there is no devices available [10:53] How can I fix that? === Sary|away is now known as Sary [11:20] kroson, Ping! [11:36] < ikonia> industrial: are you %100 sure you want to do that [11:36] i see on the news its released [11:36] so i want to update [11:36] and i ask how thats done [11:37] and you ask me if I want to.. why wouldn't people want to RIGHT NOW? [11:37] if I cared for stability then I wouldnt have wanted to pdate to da Beta [11:38] industrial: its unstable incuding X among other things. he asked that because if you have to ask normally its not the best idea to upgrade. however do as you please [11:38] !upgrade [11:38] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [11:39] aasumptions are awesome [11:39] you also assume i havent been using linux for the last decade [11:39] thanks anyway [11:39] industrial: can you fix broken packages or find awork around? [11:41] * gnomefreak doesnt understand what using linux for 10 years means. He hasnt been using Ubuntu for 10 years nor debian or he would know how to upgrade [11:48] gnomefreak: in the installer you have the option to install extra stuff, what codecs does it install actually? restricted extras? [11:49] not sure i havent used the new installer yet [11:49] ok [11:49] Sary: have you tested the new installer? [11:52] kroson, how you do :) [11:52] Yes i did [11:54] Sary: what does the option to install extra stuff actually installs? restricted extras? [11:54] kroson, i didn't select it . [11:54] kroson: apt-cache show ubuntu-restricted-extras [11:54] it will show you the packages it pulls in [11:55] ok [11:55] But , it seems like you will be able to download software updates, install support for non-English languages, or install proprietary drivers and applications. [11:55] yes [11:55] if you have internet [11:55] of course [11:55] in the installation [11:55] Exactly , [11:55] in my laptop i only have wireless [11:55] here [11:55] me too [11:59] well im going to install the beta now [11:59] see you [11:59] Good luck [12:29] hey, does ubuntu 10.10 beta stable enough for daily use? [12:34] Yahav http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta [12:35] Yahav: there are a few major bugs but beta is a more widely tested than Alpha but you still need to install it on a none daily PC incase you need a PC and your maverick on is broken [12:36] kk got it tnx, this would not be a good solution for my work laptop ..thanks again [12:37] hell know. what would even make you think about that [13:01] On kubuntu chanel told me to ask for help here. I had problem with instlling Nvidia drivers on 10.10 after upgrade? Anyone? [13:02] lenardk: James147 see bug 616023 [13:02] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 [13:02] gnomefreak: Thanks [13:02] lenardk: 2nd link is in the topic. [13:03] aha, ok so I will wait for an update than. [13:09] getting an error "this server had a video driver ABIlity [13:09] err [13:10] lenardk: James147 do not upgrade a daily use PC and back everything up incase it does break if you cant wait for maverick release. [13:10] ABI version of 8.0 that this driver does not officially support [13:10] MikeChelen: the next nvidia upload will fix that or add ignoreabi to your xorg.conf [13:11] MikeChelen: not yet. we had to wait for upstream nvidia to build on x 1.9 [13:11] gnomefreak: I know... I dont mind living on the edge and I can revover from a broken install easaly :) (I can reinstall at anytime should something go wrong) but I am not planning to upgtrade my desktop just yet [13:11] Gnomefreak: ah ok will try that, thanks [13:12] MikeChelen: see bug 616023 [13:12] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 [13:12] MikeChelen: it will give you the workaround if you cant wait a few days maybe a week [13:14] gnomefreak: I just did not know whait is the problem, my configuration or bug. Yeah, is says fix released. [13:15] no it doesnt it says fix commited [13:15] hold on [13:16] ah it was just updated [13:16] package update should be in a few hours [13:17] might have held off upgrading if i knew there would be a showstopper, going to try ubuntu-x-swat ppa [13:19] MikeChelen: why just wait a few hours [13:19] For me it's 256.44, but I'll wait for an update, can Nvidia and open-source driver be installed at same time? Or do I need to remove opne-sorce drivers before installing Nvida? maybe it's stupid question... [13:19] it is just out of NEW [13:21] gnomefreak: don't mind having slightly newer versions of xml server and nvidia driver anyway [13:22] and it will let me try a few things tonight before going to sleep [13:27] MikeChelen: it will only be newer for a few more hours [13:27] maybe less [13:27] MikeChelen: do as you wish thought. i just see it as a waste of time [13:31] gnomefreak: frankly it was easier that seeing where to add the option in xorg.conf [13:31] *than === MikeChel1n is now known as MikeChelen [13:32] adding ignoreabi is fairly easy but i suggest to just wait. im sure you have had the problem since you upgraded so a fe wmore hours shouldnt hurt. [13:33] brb [13:33] hi question if i upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 will i lose all my settings? in 10.04 i had to install manually different drivers to get my sound working the same graphic card and what about conky config etc will i need to reinstall everything ? is there any risk ? [13:33] tracy69: it's a different kernel, so things like kernel modules will change [13:34] well i have already upgraded [13:34] tracy69: most user settings are saved, but idk about drivers [13:34] is conky config stored within your home directory? [13:35] ikonia, i have 2.6.35-19 in lucid lynx === Guest3799 is now known as shadeslayer [13:35] tracy69: yes ? [13:35] MikeChelen: it is yes [13:36] conky is saved in own directory conky.config in etc/conky [13:36] no, it's saved in your home directory [13:36] Linux matrix 2.6.35-19-generic #25~lucid1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 25 04:24:28 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [13:37] tracy69: you've already told us what kernel you have [13:39] conky might have both a default config in /etc and personal one in /home [13:39] so im asking is there any risk if i upgraded to 10.10 ? [13:40] tracy69: sure something might break, probably conky config will be saved though [13:40] what sound drivers did you install? [13:40] MikeChelen, hehehehe something might break heheheheh [13:40] i dont like your answer [13:41] tracy69: haha, its a beta, something could always go wrong ;) [13:41] for some users (not sure how many) maverick is not saving your settings on boot [13:41] sound ^^^ [13:41] the original sound driver that come with 10.04 didnt work i mean i had sound but just from one speaker i have acl1200 and ati hdmi so i had to install other alsa and many other packages about 200mb download [13:44] gnomefreak, i tried to add a keyboard layout , after a while it Disappears [13:45] Any clue why , [13:45] i dont know what that means. and im not good with keyboard issues [13:45] O' okay [13:46] no bug reported for it , should i ask in launch[pad [13:46] or just fail a bug [13:46] file a bug [13:47] Aight [13:49] so guys if i have custom made grub2 i installed also burg the spash screen use playmouth package i have conky netbeans vbox compix conf if in the future i upgrade to 10.10 i will have again configure everything ? [13:53] hi [13:53] I've just tested ubuntu10.10 in qemu (kvm) - it seems to work fine but I cant move the mouse at all - neither when I boot from cd , nor after the installation - any ideas? [13:56] ok never mind .. it#s qemu [13:56] sorry === Sary is now known as Sary|afk === Sary|afk is now known as Sary [14:27] Sary, see bug 629503 [14:27] Launchpad bug 629503 in gnome-applets (Ubuntu) "gnome-keyboard-properties 'Adding keyboard layout disappears" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629503 [14:46] has anyone tried the beta? it just failed when trying to install on xfs / [14:46] i also ticked get updates from internet [14:46] oh and the new photo tool is not great. trying out the sliders, just made it hang badly [14:52] I just tried to add facebook to gwibber in m beta, but I'm not able. Is this a known problem? [14:52] is there an error? [14:54] no. It seems to be working, I'm able to authorize, but it doesn't appear to be added anyway. [14:55] Like nothing is showing .. [14:56] well... Actually, I was now able to add it. I don't know what happened before. [14:58] the account addition dialogs are a bit confusing to me sometimes [14:59] also it may take a while for updates to be fetched [14:59] yes, not just a little either. [14:59] :) [15:01] but it is possible that I used the wrong password the first times, cause I had changed the password and forgotten all about it. If that's the case, then there is a bug. If I remove the account, will it also be unautorized? [15:06] Wb charlie-tca [15:07] can I simply upgrade when 10.10 is out or are the chances pretty good that I will receive a "dirty-upgrade" and my OS will be not as smooth as installing the system from scratch? (e.g. lots of old elements and configuration issues) ??? [15:07] Hello, Sary [15:08] tschundeee: upgrades from the previous version of part of the testing done before the release. If there are issues with it, there are notes in the release notes. [15:08] of part = are part [15:09] charlie-tca: so my chances to get a clean 10.10 upgrade from 10.04 are not bad, huh? [15:10] correct. If there are no issues listed in the release notes, it should be fine [15:11] I did have a system I upgraded from 5.10 to 9.10 before I decided to do a clean install. [15:13] well... I removed the Facebook account and added it again. It's very strange. Everything seems fine, but it's not added. [15:17] heh, there are some issues to be resolved before release. [15:20] jo-erlend, have ya checked for updates .. there we're some for Gwibber [15:21] no. [15:21] I'm just running beta off a usb stick. [15:22] ah , trying , not installed yet .. [15:22] right [15:22] Nice [15:22] I don't no why i got confused with the new installer .. [15:23] But it looks pretty [15:29] I haven't checked that out yet. I'm more focused on the live session at the moment. Very happy to see usb-creator.exe on the root. [15:29] I hope they'll also make it very visible on ubuntu.com for users to download it when they're downloading the cd-image. [15:33] Yeah [15:33] Wb gnomefreak Ping ! [15:33] thanks Sary [15:33] gnomefreak, see bug 629503 [15:33] Launchpad bug 629503 in gnome-applets (Ubuntu) "gnome-keyboard-properties 'Adding keyboard layout disappears" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629503 [15:33]