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| nisshh | godbyk: ping | 07:31 |
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| godbyk | nigelb: pong | 07:32 |
| nisshh | ??? | 07:32 |
| godbyk | nisshh: err.. pong | 07:32 |
| godbyk | nigelb: sorry. IGNORE ME! :) | 07:32 |
| nisshh | lol | 07:32 |
| * godbyk damns xchat's nick-completion. | 07:32 | |
| nisshh | haha | 07:33 |
| godbyk | Usually 'ni' is enough to get 'nisshh', but not today. :) | 07:33 |
| nisshh | godbyk: i just noticed that the multicol command, when used, has a fixed verticle height | 07:33 |
| nisshh | hehe | 07:33 |
| nisshh | is there a way of changing it? | 07:34 |
| godbyk | It's not a fixed vertical height -- it just balances the columns so they're all the same height (or as close as is possible). | 07:35 |
| nisshh | ah | 07:35 |
| nisshh | that is seriously annoying | 07:35 |
| nisshh | godbyk: is there a way of making it not do that? | 07:35 |
| godbyk | Can you show me the output you have currently and explain what you'd like to see instead? | 07:37 |
| godbyk | There are parameters you can adjust, but it depends on what you want. | 07:37 |
| nisshh | ah | 07:37 |
| nisshh | ok | 07:37 |
| nisshh | screenshot? | 07:37 |
| godbyk | that'll work | 07:37 |
| nisshh | ok one sec | 07:38 |
| nisshh | godbyk: http://imagebin.org/112490 | 07:40 |
| nisshh | each column carries over to the next, which is not what i want | 07:41 |
| nisshh | because of the "keep them the same height" rule | 07:41 |
| godbyk | nisshh: Ah, I see what you're trying to do. | 07:44 |
| godbyk | Okay, multicols probably isn't the best way to accomplish what you want, but I think it can be made to work. | 07:44 |
| nisshh | right | 07:44 |
| godbyk | first, use \begin{multicols*} instead of \begin{multicols}. | 07:44 |
| godbyk | that'll tell it not to balance the columns. | 07:44 |
| nisshh | ok | 07:44 |
| godbyk | Next, use \columnbreak to start a new column. | 07:45 |
| godbyk | See if that gives you the desired result. | 07:45 |
| godbyk | If not, there are a couple other parameters we can toy with. | 07:45 |
| nisshh | ok | 07:46 |
| nisshh | godbyk: do i use \end{multicols*} as well? | 07:46 |
| godbyk | yep | 07:46 |
| godbyk | \begin and \end must always match. | 07:46 |
| godbyk | Otherwise LaTeX will freak out on ya. | 07:46 |
| nisshh | sure | 07:46 |
| nisshh | godbyk: ok, that works pretty well, but now the code underneath the headings gets indented | 07:51 |
| godbyk | The code underneath the headings? | 07:52 |
| nisshh | like | 07:52 |
| nisshh | Addition: | 07:52 |
| nisshh | then | 07:52 |
| nisshh | code here | 07:53 |
| godbyk | Ah. | 07:53 |
| godbyk | Do have a blank line between "Addition:" and \begin{terminal}? | 07:53 |
| nisshh | no | 07:53 |
| godbyk | is it only the first line that is indented? | 07:54 |
| nisshh | no | 07:55 |
| nisshh | whole lot | 07:55 |
| nisshh | hang on, ill get another screenie | 07:55 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 07:55 |
| nisshh | godbyk: http://imagebin.org/112491 | 07:57 |
| godbyk | Okay, so the code below Addition *isn't* indented, but all th other code is. | 07:58 |
| nisshh | yea | 07:58 |
| godbyk | In the source code, is there any blank lines between Subtraction: and the \begin{terminal} lines? | 07:58 |
| nisshh | no | 07:58 |
| godbyk | interesting | 07:59 |
| nisshh | the whole lot is there with no blank lines | 07:59 |
| godbyk | try putting \noindent directly in front of the \begin{terminal} lines. see what effect that has (if any). | 07:59 |
| nisshh | in front of? | 08:00 |
| nisshh | you mean before or after? | 08:00 |
| godbyk | before. | 08:00 |
| nisshh | ok | 08:00 |
| godbyk | Like: \noindent\begin{terminal} | 08:00 |
| nisshh | ah ok | 08:01 |
| godbyk | did that do anything? | 08:01 |
| nisshh | hang on | 08:03 |
| nisshh | godbyk: my computer is slow, takes a good 30-40 seconds to compile the manual | 08:03 |
| godbyk | np | 08:03 |
| nisshh | the noindent command does nothing | 08:04 |
| nisshh | godbyk: ^^^ | 08:05 |
| godbyk | okay | 08:06 |
| godbyk | can you send me your .tex file? (Or point me to the repository?) | 08:06 |
| godbyk | I'll take a look at it and try a few things. | 08:07 |
| nisshh | ok, one sec ill push | 08:07 |
| nisshh | right | 08:07 |
| godbyk | If you're going to be using examples like this often, it might be good to have an examples environment (like \begin{examples}..) | 08:07 |
| nisshh | godbyk: yea, that would be good | 08:08 |
| nisshh | godbyk: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-developer-manual/ubuntu-developer-manual/trunk | 08:09 |
| nisshh | its all in there | 08:09 |
| nisshh | the file with the code we were just working on is, python-crash-course/python-crash-course.tex | 08:10 |
| godbyk | nisshh: Okay. Let me take a look. | 08:14 |
| godbyk | nisshh: How's the manual coming along otherwise? | 08:15 |
| nisshh | godbyk: not too bad, me and Rick are in the process of shortening this chapter, other than that i have to catch up with jenkins and the other authors and see where they are at | 08:16 |
| nisshh | godbyk: i dont think we will get a maverick release out though, if we do, it will be so so close | 08:16 |
| godbyk | right. | 08:17 |
| godbyk | at this point, I'm wondering if the getting started guide will be released at the same time as maverick. :-) | 08:18 |
| godbyk | I haven't seen much activity in bzr yet. | 08:18 |
| nisshh | yea | 08:18 |
| nisshh | godbyk: iv fixed all the outstanding bugs for maverick | 08:18 |
| nisshh | sometime im going to go through and update some of the sections | 08:19 |
| nisshh | someone has to do it soon right? | 08:19 |
| nisshh | otherwise there is no hope with bens crazy schedule | 08:19 |
| godbyk | definitely soon, I hope. | 08:22 |
| godbyk | I know. | 08:22 |
| godbyk | Okay, to fix your problem, put blank lines around the \columnbreak command. | 08:22 |
| nisshh | ok | 08:22 |
| godbyk | So it should be like: | 08:23 |
| godbyk | \end{terminal} | 08:23 |
| godbyk | 08:23 | |
| godbyk | \columnbreak | 08:23 |
| godbyk | 08:23 | |
| nisshh | yep | 08:23 |
| godbyk | Next heading: | 08:23 |
| godbyk | \begin{terminal} | 08:23 |
| godbyk | ... | 08:23 |
| nisshh | yea | 08:24 |
| godbyk | did that work? | 08:25 |
| nisshh | godbyk: yep, did the trick | 08:26 |
| godbyk | cool | 08:26 |
| nisshh | godbyk: there are craploads of examples in that chapter alone, what were you saying about having its own environment? | 08:28 |
| godbyk | nisshh: Well, if you're having to use some commands over and over again, it's handy to bundle them together with a new command. | 08:51 |
| nisshh | godbyk: yea | 08:52 |
| nisshh | jenkins: hey | 09:56 |
| jenkins | hey nisshh | 09:58 |
| nisshh | jenkins: would you be interested in giving a session at Ubuntu App Dev Week? | 09:59 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i just added myself and then i thought of quickshot :) | 09:59 |
| nisshh | you could do a showcase on quickshot | 10:00 |
| jenkins | I don't think I have time atm I am afraid, I am usually at work in the day and I am unsure I have the knowledge | 10:00 |
| jenkins | when is it? | 10:00 |
| nisshh | end of this month | 10:00 |
| jenkins | hmm, thanks for the thought but I don't think i can commit at the moment | 10:01 |
| nisshh | sessions are between 1500 and 1900 UTC | 10:01 |
| nisshh | hmm, thats too bad | 10:01 |
| jenkins | I will keep it in mind | 10:01 |
| nisshh | jenkins: cool | 10:02 |
| jenkins | it just I have a commute every day and I get very worn out with work :( | 10:02 |
| nisshh | fair enough | 10:03 |
| nisshh | let me know if you change your mind | 10:03 |
| jenkins | will do | 10:03 |
| nisshh | :) | 10:03 |
| jenkins | quickshot is on revison 300 | 10:09 |
| nisshh | nice | 10:10 |
| flan | nisshh, can you link to this App Dev Week thing? | 15:23 |
| flan | I'm not sure I'm willing to participate, but it sounds interesting, from its title. | 15:23 |
| nisshh | flan: hang on a sec | 15:29 |
| nisshh | flan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek there | 15:31 |
| flan | How do you plan to present Pytask? | 15:34 |
| nisshh | flan: well, Pytask is my app that i developed, so i plan to show how i found quickly and quickly-widgets and how Pytask uses all these API's and such and just how easy it was to put together | 15:35 |
| * flan dislikes Quickly. | 15:36 | |
| nisshh | so sort of, here is my app, here is what i used, any questions? | 15:36 |
| nisshh | that kind of thing | 15:36 |
| flan | I kinda doubt Quickshot would work well for a crash-course-style introduction. Explaining the Pylons model would take quite a while. :( | 15:36 |
| nisshh | flan: its still pretty new, but extremely easy to use | 15:36 |
| flan | I mean I dislike it because I'm a control-freak. | 15:37 |
| nisshh | ah ok | 15:37 |
| flan | I admire what it's trying to do, in the same way that I admire Ubuntu for the role it plays in introducing people to a stable, friendly Linux-based environment. | 15:37 |
| flan | -comma | 15:37 |
| nisshh | yea | 15:38 |
| flan | I'll always go back to doing things with Debian and tools I've picked myself in the end, however. | 15:38 |
| nisshh | flan: yea, i mainly use quickly because it makes it easy to release and package stuff | 15:38 |
| nisshh | other than that, it holds my app together, and for that its great | 15:39 |
| * flan feels that things like Quickly and IDEs form bad habits and introduce crutches that'll ultimately hold some people back. | 15:39 | |
| nisshh | flan: i use vim, not an IDE :) | 15:39 |
| flan | Not all people, of course. Some wouldn't get very far without such things. | 15:39 |
| nisshh | i hate IDE's | 15:39 |
| nisshh | true | 15:40 |
| flan | I've found myself using gedit more and more. | 15:40 |
| nisshh | yea | 15:40 |
| flan | I used to use Bluefish almost exclusively. | 15:40 |
| nisshh | gedit is great | 15:40 |
| flan | I'm a nono person, though. | 15:40 |
| nisshh | nano? | 15:40 |
| flan | I'm comfortable with vi/vim, but switching between the two modes still just doesn't feel natural to me. | 15:40 |
| flan | Yes, nano. | 15:40 |
| nisshh | flan: once you use it for long enough and watch a pro vim user use it, you will never want to use another editor ever again | 15:41 |
| flan | If vi had a hold-ctrl-to-temporarily-engage-command-mode, with interactive mode being the default at all other times, I'd probably use it more. | 15:41 |
| flan | Oh, I know how powerful it can be. | 15:41 |
| nisshh | yea | 15:41 |
| flan | It's just not compatible with the way I think. | 15:41 |
| nisshh | i dont like emacs or nano very much | 15:42 |
| nisshh | exactly | 15:42 |
| daker | godbyk, ping | 16:19 |
| flan | nisshh, do you see any value in, perhaps, having me prepare a session related to Quickshot (or something else I've built) over polishing it for release alongside the manual? | 16:54 |
| flan | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs201.ash2/46435_978696008291_10004301_54742894_4873761_n.jpg | 16:58 |
| nisshh | flan: yea, if it has anything to do with app development, or is an app like Pytask or quickshot, go for it | 16:59 |
| flan | I meant, like, would it benefit others more than the cost to the project itself. | 17:00 |
| nisshh | flan: although, im not going to present the session for you, you will have to do that | 17:00 |
| flan | Aww... =P | 17:00 |
| flan | Yeah, I know. | 17:00 |
| nisshh | hehe | 17:00 |
| nisshh | cost to the project itself? | 17:00 |
| flan | I'm just not sure I can present effectively in a group setting. | 17:00 |
| flan | Less time to document, refine, and polish it for release alongside the manual. | 17:01 |
| nisshh | flan: your presenting to a bunch of dev noobs, they wont criticize you :) | 17:01 |
| nisshh | flan: its a one hour session thats happening in just under 3 weeks, and it only happens once each cycle | 17:02 |
| nisshh | its not going to cost the project mucyh time | 17:02 |
| nisshh | shoudnt take you long to figure out the session content | 17:02 |
| flan | I'd probably need jenkins with me... I have a tendency to be condescending, even though I don't often mean to act that way. :( | 17:02 |
| nisshh | hehe | 17:02 |
| nisshh | jenkins said he will be too busy | 17:03 |
| nisshh | flan: if you prepare the session, id be happy to co-lead it with you | 17:03 |
| nisshh | i just dont want to present it FOR you | 17:03 |
| flan | jenkins seemed to imply he wouldn't be able to prepare for it. | 17:06 |
| flan | I'll speak with him. | 17:06 |
| flan | I don't mind putting together materials and a plan. | 17:06 |
| flan | I'm just not sure I can lead a discussion if nobody's asking questions. | 17:07 |
| nisshh | flan: bah!, youll be fine! :) | 17:08 |
| nisshh | flan: its not a discussion, you teach them, and they ask questions if they want | 17:08 |
| flan | That's what I'm afraid of. =P | 17:08 |
| nisshh | why? | 17:08 |
| flan | I'll look into tentatively taking one of the Friday slots. | 17:09 |
| nisshh | fair enough | 17:09 |
| flan | I work best when people are engaging me. | 17:09 |
| nisshh | ah, ok | 17:09 |
| nisshh | flan: whatever the case, it wont be as bad as you think :) | 17:09 |
| flan | Who would I speak to about claiming a slot? | 17:10 |
| flan | Or do we just edit the wiki? | 17:13 |
| nisshh | flan: just edit the timetable on the wiki | 17:19 |
| nisshh | flan: if you want to know more get in touch with dholbach | 17:20 |
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| jenkins | hey all | 20:01 |
| jenkins | flan: ping | 20:01 |
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| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: Thanks for the wiki comment. | 21:04 |
| ChrisWoollard | That doesn't matter. Anything is ok. A couple of lines would be good. | 21:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | I have the membership meeting next week, so I am trying to collect them together. | 21:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | It you don't have time, that is ok. | 21:06 |
| ChrisWoollard | Doh, wrong window. | 21:09 |
| dutchie | daker: pong | 21:09 |
| daker | i need your help | 21:10 |
| dutchie | for what? | 21:10 |
| daker | django | 21:10 |
| dutchie | ok | 21:10 |
| daker | dutchie, i have this dict | 21:11 |
| daker | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3/annotate/head:/languages.py | 21:11 |
| daker | if you want to run the website | 21:12 |
| dutchie | what do you want to do with that? | 21:12 |
| daker | oki | 21:12 |
| daker | so this list of languages should replace the default one | 21:12 |
| daker | i can render it but i want to make in table of 2 or 3 columns | 21:13 |
| daker | you see the result by running the website | 21:14 |
| daker | $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-website umpwebsite | 21:14 |
| daker | $ cd umpwebsite | 21:14 |
| daker | $ ./manage runserver | 21:15 |
| dutchie | ImportError: No module named umpwebsite.urls | 21:15 |
| dutchie | ah, nvm | 21:16 |
| daker | what ? | 21:17 |
| dutchie | i branched it to ubuntu-manual-website | 21:17 |
| daker | ah | 21:18 |
| daker | http://i.imgur.com/KqfdT.png | 21:19 |
| daker | dutchie, have you understand what i mean ? | 21:20 |
| dutchie | one moment | 21:21 |
| daker | tyt | 21:21 |
| dutchie | surely that's not really a django problem | 21:22 |
| dutchie | (not having looked at the source) | 21:22 |
| daker | instead of have only one column, i want to list them in 2 column | 21:22 |
| daker | having* | 21:22 |
| dutchie | i have 2 columns | 21:22 |
| daker | actual on is just a test | 21:23 |
| daker | one* | 21:23 |
| dutchie | i'm not sure what you mean | 21:27 |
| daker | oki give me a moment | 21:28 |
| dutchie | i'm going out in a bit | 21:31 |
| daker | oki | 21:32 |
| dutchie | can't you just use more columns? | 21:33 |
| daker | http://i.imgur.com/S2uDB.png | 21:35 |
| daker | i want something like it | 21:35 |
| daker | the languages dict should rendered in 3 columns | 21:36 |
| dutchie | can you do that in CSSS? | 21:36 |
| dutchie | or CSS | 21:37 |
| daker | here is the languages.py | 21:37 |
| daker | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3/annotate/head%3A/languages.py | 21:37 |
| daker | it's passe to the template here | 21:38 |
| daker | passed* | 21:38 |
| daker | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3/annotate/head%3A/website/views.py#L17 | 21:38 |
| daker | normaly the "languages" dict should be displayed like this | 21:40 |
| daker | {% for code, lang in langues.items %} | 21:40 |
| dutchie | yes, i've followed the cod eok | 21:40 |
| daker | have you understand what i want to explain ? | 21:41 |
| dutchie | yes | 21:42 |
| daker | explain :D | 21:42 |
| daker | so i'll be sure you understand | 21:42 |
| dutchie | i don't think it's really something that you need to understand django for | 21:43 |
| dutchie | going out now, sorry i couldn't really help | 21:46 |
| daker | oki nop | 21:46 |
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