sjmjrib, sorry, just came over when there was the spam on the main channel and stayed around to see what information was going on.00:03
IdleOneubuntulo1: is a canonical logbot00:06
mneptokhas any formal decision been made by the IRCC and the access of Shellium users? Bryanstein is idling here so the ops have access to a Shellium admin until things are finalized.00:08
IdleOneI am not sure what is going on with that00:10
ryaxnbubottu sux00:19
ryaxnbhe lost all the cool features00:19
ryaxnbwhy did you remove !rimshot00:20
IdleOnebecause the cool features were being abuised00:20
ryaxnbhow can you abuse !rimshot00:20
ryaxnbi can understand abusing lart, but rimshot or !rww- those are hard to abuse00:20
IdleOneI suppose you can submit the factoid to ubottu and the ops team will decide if it is needed.00:21
IdleOnebut since it has already been removed...00:21
ryaxnbpopular opinion says that !rimshot is fine00:21
ryaxnbi would love to know how you can abuse !rimshot00:22
IdleOneWell if this was a democracy you could call for an election00:22
ryaxnbits not, nevertheless there is no real reason00:22
ryaxnbyou can have your lartlessness00:22
ryaxnbbut the other removals are baffling00:22
mneptokany triger can be abused00:23
mneptokand !rimshot by definition sorta lends itself to abuse00:23
mneptok!rimshot basically equates to "LOOK AT ME! I AM FUNNY! TELL ME I AM FUNNY! VALIDATE ME!"00:24
ryaxnbit has a a clear use00:24
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)00:24
ryaxnbit is used when there is a sucky joke or any pun00:24
mneptokif you remove everyone from IRC with that kind of personality you'd be left with a network of ~125 people00:24
ryaxnbon the contrary, rimshot is meant to showcase bad or weak jokes00:25
ryaxnbhave you ever seen a SNL episode?  or animaniacs :?00:25
ryaxnbobserve. Ubottomotized00:25
mneptokuhhh ... the rimshot predates those by a number of decades00:25
IdleOneryaxnb: which in -ot would be ALL the time00:25
mneptok17:25 < ryaxnb> ba-dum-tish00:26
mneptokso ... uhhh ... why do you need a bot to do it?00:26
ryaxnbits funnier that way00:26
ryaxnbwhy do you need a bot to say anything.00:26
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines00:26
ryaxnbubottu is just a collection of sayings you could say yourself, unlike ubnotu, which has google and wiki search00:27
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)00:27
mneptokso you do not have to remember URLs and repeat them all day when they are required00:27
ryaxnbtrue, but nevertheless ubottu is just a bunch of sayings. the rimshot command in ubnotu also has a url to hear an audio rimshot00:27
ryaxnbthat is the sort of bot i like :)00:27
IdleOneryaxnb: a rimshot trigger has nothing helpful about it00:28
mneptokit may come as a surprise, but the official Ubuntu IRC bots are not deisnged with "ryaxnb will like this" as a primary feature generator ;)00:28
ryaxnbi figured they would be designed around what the channels, including -ot, would like, and at one point they were00:28
ryaxnbeven your own ops dont like it - like funkyhat and former op LjL00:29
ryaxnbtruly, if i were adding to your bot, the first thing i would add would not be rimshot. it would be searching of wiki, ubuntu wiki, man page, info page, and ubuntu help00:31
mneptokthey have not said anything here about, to the best of my recollection00:31
ryaxnbIMHO that would be a killer bot.00:31
mneptokyes, it would kill the CPU on the host box as the 1500 novice users in #u decided to use the bot rather than the search box on each of those sites00:32
ryaxnbif i could go @man cp or @uwiki restrictedformats00:32
ryaxnbi suppose thats a good point :(00:32
ryaxnbah well, nice theory00:32
ryaxnbi will leave now, having made my point00:32
ryaxnbhave a nice day00:32
IdleOnesame to you :)00:32
EvilPhoenixyou have someone in #ubuntu violating channel policies04:51
EvilPhoenix<nightshade> hey, anybody here that knows how to hustle warez on the street?  I figured since everyone's doing it on the internet, nobody's looking for it in the actual world.  But, i can't seem to find the "crowd" that would buy it from me04:52
EvilPhoenixthat's the quote of the user04:52
EvilPhoenixany of you alive?04:52
IdleOneEvilPhoenix: I'm watching04:53
EvilPhoenixthank you :)04:53
IdleOnethank you.04:53
ubottuThe operation succeeded.06:43
Professor_Gwhy am i in here11:04
Professor_Gand why cant i join #ubuntu11:06
ubottuThe operation succeeded.11:08
jussihi Professor_G, one moment11:09
jussiProfessor_G: looking at the log, I have no idea, it seems that ikonia has forwarded you here. Lets see if he is around.11:11
jussiProfessor_G: have you spoken to ikonia at all recently?11:13
Professor_Gjussi,  2 days ago11:15
jussiProfessor_G: do you remember what it was about? I dont have any context, so until he comes, Ive got what yo can give me11:16
popeylooks like an accident to me11:16
popeyline before Professor_Gs question in #ubuntu was a spam line11:16
Professor_Gjussi,  what popey said11:16
* popey shrugs11:17
jussiright. Im going to unban you then. If ikonia comes in and says something else, then Ill talk to him11:17
jussiProfessor_G: feel free to return to ubuntu.11:18
* knome 's tongue tickles11:20
* knome giggles11:20
jussiProfessor_G: if theres nothing more, we have a no idle rule :=)11:20
gnomefreakon the offtopic consolidation emails im +1. it seems tbird is having isssues connecting to smp and pop12:27
bazhangkwpolska still being an issue. got him in PM12:36
gnomefreakbazhang: what channel?12:36
bazhang#ubuntu gnomefreak12:36
bazhanggot him muted at the moment12:36
gnomefreakbazhang: thanks i will keep my eye open incase he continues12:36
gnomefreakyay :)12:36
bazhanggnomefreak, his first response to the guidelines: 'go away'12:37
bazhanghe was the shell ban dodger who was an issue a while back12:37
gnomefreakoh this shell crap again. not real sure what it is but seems to be an issue12:38
bazhang<Kwpolska> just asking, can you please unmute my host and mute my name?12:38
bazhangKwpolska> I don't want to be killed by someone at my shell provider.12:39
gnomefreakhis shell provider keep track of ubuntu channels?12:39
gnomefreakwhy would he needs a shell provider if ubuntu includes shells. IIRC they are for users with non linux systems12:40
bazhanghe's had issues with two different ones so far, this would be the third12:40
gnomefreakthan he doesnt deserve one IMHO12:41
bazhangie causing issues for everyone, just because he's not free to tell everyone how ubuntu sucks <--- his last message12:41
gnomefreakimho he should be banned and it never be lifted if he is going to be good.12:42
gnomefreaksounds like he will not be good12:42
bazhangwell, he's had a very long time to read the code of conduct and guidelines, and given zero indication he  intends to follow them; just concern about his shell provider's reaction to being muted/etc13:02
bazhangnot a peep since the first two minutes13:02
ikoniaprofessor_g was banned from #ubuntu, I put a forward on his ban dodging IP to catch him13:05
bazhangikonia, it was removed earlier13:06
ikoniaI've just put it back13:07
bazhangabout 4-5 hours ago.13:07
bazhangah okay13:07
ikoniajust updated BT, I got sidetracked talking to him last time13:08
bazhangso going to change mute on kwpolska to ban13:09
bazhangthis is the 3rd time he's been an issue, that I can recollect13:09
bazhangpradeep was removed earlier for asking repeatedly for Ultimate help. seems to think helping in #ubuntu allows that to be supported13:22
ikoniabazhang: he's been banned before13:26
bazhangikonia, yep; just not sure how long to give him to reply in PM whether he intends to follow the code of conduct and guidelines13:27
ikoniahe's active in #fedora now13:28
jribugh indeed13:28
bazhangsome of the insane posters starting up13:29
ikoniaand bragging about it in #shellium13:29
ikoniachange to a ban and remove him13:29
bazhangokay then13:29
bazhang+r time?13:33
ikoniathere has been too much of late13:34
ikoniaI've jumped the gun and know that , but it's been a stead flow of late13:34
ikoniadirty trick using priceyy13:34
jribif they're monitoring modes on several channels, in theory we should be able to figure out how right?13:38
ikoniaenable brain13:38
Picijrib: You can check modes without being in the channel. :(13:39
* Pici facepalms13:40
Picifyi, one of the planet posts suggested updating to beta, I forget which one.13:41
bazhangokay, banned and removed kwpolska13:42
bazhangnever did reply to PM outside of expressing concern about shell host13:42
popeyikonia: sorry, I didnt know the history13:43
ikoniapopey: on what ?13:54
popeyprofessor_g, earlier13:55
ikoniapopey: it's not a problem, (I thought jussi removed it) it's back in place, it's my fault for not updating BT on the second ban, but when I banned him I was talking to him explaining it was wrong (even though he knows )so got side tracked13:56
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1294 users, 11 overflows, 1305 limit))14:08
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1294 users, 11 overflows, 1305 limit))14:09
PiciAnyone happen to know the date of 9.04's EOL?15:35
ikoniamust be close now15:36
ubottuUbuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/90415:36
bazhang18 months, right?15:36
bazhangso one more month15:37
ikoniaglad to see the back of that release.15:37
PiciI'd like to put it in the topic, but I know if I just put October 2010, people are going to ask when.15:37
h00kThat's probably a good idea15:37
ikoniaPici: ban them ;)15:37
Piciikonia: I'd love to, but our banlist is already bloated :P15:38
ikoniaan answer for everything15:39
gnomefreakPici: once maverick is released15:39
gnomefreakalso hardy desktop will EOL same time15:39
h00kJaunty. Oh man. All these releases, I'm getting old.15:40
charlie-tcabazhang: should be when Maverick releases15:40
bazhangcharlie-tca, thanks!15:40
gnomefreakthan IIRC only 3 releases supported hardy-server karmic, lucid, maverick15:41
gnomefreakmake that 415:41
Picignomefreak: Yes, but will it go EOL on the 10th or on the 31st?15:41
gnomefreakPici: forgot after reading it15:41
Picignomefreak: dapper server is still supported.15:41
gnomefreakPici: 11.04 will end it15:42
jpdsPici: 23th.15:42
jpdswut, 23rd*15:42
Picijpds: for 9.04?15:43
charlie-tcaI do show the actual release dates as april 23, 2009 for 9.04 and april 24, 2008 for 8.0415:43
gnomefreakubuntu.com should give the info. i read it from devel mailing list a while ago15:43
charlie-tcausually eol is on the release date of the version going eol15:43
Picijpds: thanks.15:44
jpdsPici: I'm assuming that it's 18 months after release date. :)15:45
ubottubazhang called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (tracy69)15:49
bazhang [gobo] (~gobo@122-124-132-20.dynamic.hinet.net): sirc user bet he's ban dodging (checking bt now)15:51
bazhangchonema!~tux@122-124-131-235.dynamic.hinet.net bingo!15:52
elkyoh. him.15:52
elkyhe's back too15:52
bazhangnutsoid as ever15:53
h00kI'm not familiar with the history on this one15:53
bazhangban evading as chonema formerly15:53
h00kam I now up-to-date?15:54
elkyhe's not goiing to manage to play nice, I have a ban waiting him in there.15:56
bazhangsome kind of insane ranting about Chinese can read the logs and such banned previously in #ubuntu (now removed) and -ot (still there)15:56
elkyand there we go15:57
ikoniaoh, elky#s awake15:59
elkyand drunk, not necessarily a good thing.16:00
* ikonia gets hat and coat16:00
elkycurrently trying to find links to blog a response to planet fedora.16:00
ikoniaI am actually going home now, so laters all16:00
elkyikonia, ciao16:01
gnomefreakikonia: later16:03
Piciikonia: goodnight!16:03
gnomefreaknight. but i thought you were going home not to sleep :)16:04
bazhangnot me! ikonia :)16:04
elkybazhang, fiver on malay or indonesian.16:04
Picior english16:05
* elky hands a fiver over16:06
h00kIs sal_yum the same guy?16:09
bazhangsjm, hi16:22
sjmhi, no problems, right now.  have a good day.16:23
gnomefreakmsg ubottu yum16:23
gnomefreakok damn forgot that16:24
ubottuUh, don't you mean !apt ?16:24
gnomefreaknow that beta is released they stopped complaning about that now the new one is he new fonts16:47
h00ktopyli: you assume correct16:59
bazhang<Vic_Sage_The_Que> how well does the ubuntu ARM OS work17:36
ubottuIn ubottu, ZykoticK9 said: !attitude is I believe you should add a !volunteers alias to this factoid, so it can be used in a more positive, less accusatory manner18:02
ubottuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines18:09
jussi!volunteers is <alias> attitude18:09
ubottuI'll remember that, jussi18:09
jussi!volunteers >ZykoticK918:10
jussicripes, I remember jaunty coming out...18:11
ZykoticK9jussi, may i ask you a question?  what was the "want you to know" thing regarding my "factoid is ..." was that done incorrectly or not clear?18:13
jussiZykoticK9: no, it was just that I made the change and sent it to you ;))18:13
ZykoticK9jussi, i like the new version, but is there an alias for calling it with !volunteer or something similar, instead of !attitude? as that was my biggest "issue".18:14
jussi!volunteers | ZykoticK918:14
ubottuZykoticK9: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines18:14
Pici13:09:47 <jussi> !volunteers is <alias> attitude18:15
ZykoticK9jussi, NICE - i love Ubuntu IRC community!  Awesome!  everyone.18:15
ubottuIn ubottu, PresuntoRJ said: mono is <reply> Mono is an open source software platform sponsored by Novell and designed to allow developers to easily create cross platform applications of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language Runtime. Check http://mono-project.com/Main_Page and http://www.mono-project.com/DistroPackages/Ubuntu19:08
ubottuIn ubottu, PresuntoRJ said: moonlight is <reply> An open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight for Linux and other Unix/X11 based operating systems. Check http://mono-project.com/Moonlight19:11
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (banlist filling up: 470 bans)20:28
IdleOnehello garfieldairlines20:46
IdleOneHow can we help you?20:46
garfieldairlinesI'm an admin of the french wikipedia and I'd want to have a MOTU for an interview on the sister project : wikinews20:46
IdleOneask in #ubuntu-motu20:47
IdleOnethey should be able to help20:47
garfieldairlinesokay, thanks :p20:47
garfieldairlines(that's a lot of chans hey ! :D)20:47
IdleOneno problem20:47
IdleOneUbuntu has a lot of channels yes20:48
IdleOnegarfieldairlines: if you could part this channel please as there is a no idle rule here :) thank you20:48
garfieldairlinesthanks for helping !20:49
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LjLhi. with respect to "mneptok they have not said anything here about, to the best of my recollection", the topic being the removal of the !rimshot factoid, which i have said nothing here about22:10
LjLsince saying something here about it seems to be important, then i will22:10
LjLi think that the removal of that, but more importantly all joke, channel-specific -offtopic factoid was mostly senseless, and also a bit rough to those who were attached to those factoids as they were part of the history of the channel. it seems current ops value apparent seriousness over everything else, including the bits of fun that -offtopic was always meant to provide.22:11
LjLalso i guess perhaps people should speak up more about things that are done by the ops team which they don't like, since apparently the problem is that nobody raises objections22:13
LjLi will be sure to speak up more and encourage others to do so, bye22:13
rwwHello. Any thoughts on adding !ppa and !sru to the end of !latest?22:21
ubottuPackages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports.22:21
Tm_Trww: yes please?22:21
ubottuStable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates22:21
rwws/.$/, !ppa, !sru./, that is.22:21
IdleOnegood idea rww22:21
rwwTm_T: Do you have ubottu access, or shall I make a factoid suggestion?22:23
Tm_Tlet me try...22:23
Tm_T!no, latest s/.$/, !ppa, !sru./22:24
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:24
rwwTm_T: you missed a =~ between latest and s/22:24
Tm_Taah thanks22:24
Tm_T!no, latest ~s/.$/, !ppa, !sru./22:24
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:24
Tm_Tbah, one moment22:24
nhandlerubottu: !no latest is <reply> Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are  only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.22:25
ubottuI'll remember that nhandler22:25
nhandler!latest | rww22:25
ubotturww: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are  only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.22:25
rwwnhandler: boo, doing things the simpler, less confusing way :(22:25
nhandlerNo problem22:25
macoTm_T: that time you missed the = :P22:25
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (banlist filling up: 472 bans)23:36
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