[00:03] <sjm> jrib, sorry, just came over when there was the spam on the main channel and stayed around to see what information was going on.
[00:06] <IdleOne> ubuntulo1: is a canonical logbot
[00:08] <mneptok> has any formal decision been made by the IRCC and the access of Shellium users? Bryanstein is idling here so the ops have access to a Shellium admin until things are finalized.
[00:10] <IdleOne> I am not sure what is going on with that
[00:19] <ryaxnb> ubottu sux
[00:19] <IdleOne> why?
[00:19] <ryaxnb> he lost all the cool features
[00:20] <ryaxnb> why did you remove !rimshot
[00:20] <IdleOne> because the cool features were being abuised
[00:20] <IdleOne> abused
[00:20] <ryaxnb> how can you abuse !rimshot
[00:20] <ryaxnb> i can understand abusing lart, but rimshot or !rww- those are hard to abuse
[00:21] <IdleOne> I suppose you can submit the factoid to ubottu and the ops team will decide if it is needed.
[00:21] <IdleOne> but since it has already been removed...
[00:21] <ryaxnb> :(
[00:21] <ryaxnb> popular opinion says that !rimshot is fine
[00:22] <ryaxnb> i would love to know how you can abuse !rimshot
[00:22] <IdleOne> Well if this was a democracy you could call for an election
[00:22] <ryaxnb> its not, nevertheless there is no real reason
[00:22] <ryaxnb> you can have your lartlessness
[00:22] <ryaxnb> but the other removals are baffling
[00:23] <mneptok> any triger can be abused
[00:23] <mneptok> *trigger
[00:23] <mneptok> and !rimshot by definition sorta lends itself to abuse
[00:24] <mneptok> !rimshot basically equates to "LOOK AT ME! I AM FUNNY! TELL ME I AM FUNNY! VALIDATE ME!"
[00:24] <ryaxnb> it has a a clear use
[00:24] <ryaxnb> it is used when there is a sucky joke or any pun
[00:24] <mneptok> if you remove everyone from IRC with that kind of personality you'd be left with a network of ~125 people
[00:25] <ryaxnb> on the contrary, rimshot is meant to showcase bad or weak jokes
[00:25] <ryaxnb> have you ever seen a SNL episode?  or animaniacs :?
[00:25] <ryaxnb> observe. Ubottomotized
[00:25] <ryaxnb> ba-dum-tish
[00:25] <mneptok> uhhh ... the rimshot predates those by a number of decades
[00:25] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: which in -ot would be ALL the time
[00:26] <mneptok> 17:25 < ryaxnb> ba-dum-tish
[00:26] <mneptok> so ... uhhh ... why do you need a bot to do it?
[00:26] <ryaxnb> its funnier that way
[00:26] <ryaxnb> why do you need a bot to say anything.
[00:26] <mneptok> !guidelines
[00:27] <ryaxnb> ubottu is just a collection of sayings you could say yourself, unlike ubnotu, which has google and wiki search
[00:27] <mneptok> so you do not have to remember URLs and repeat them all day when they are required
[00:27] <ryaxnb> true, but nevertheless ubottu is just a bunch of sayings. the rimshot command in ubnotu also has a url to hear an audio rimshot
[00:27] <ryaxnb> that is the sort of bot i like :)
[00:28] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: a rimshot trigger has nothing helpful about it
[00:28] <mneptok> it may come as a surprise, but the official Ubuntu IRC bots are not deisnged with "ryaxnb will like this" as a primary feature generator ;)
[00:28] <ryaxnb> ;)
[00:28] <ryaxnb> i figured they would be designed around what the channels, including -ot, would like, and at one point they were
[00:29] <ryaxnb> even your own ops dont like it - like funkyhat and former op LjL
[00:31] <ryaxnb> truly, if i were adding to your bot, the first thing i would add would not be rimshot. it would be searching of wiki, ubuntu wiki, man page, info page, and ubuntu help
[00:31] <mneptok> they have not said anything here about, to the best of my recollection
[00:31] <ryaxnb> IMHO that would be a killer bot.
[00:32] <mneptok> yes, it would kill the CPU on the host box as the 1500 novice users in #u decided to use the bot rather than the search box on each of those sites
[00:32] <ryaxnb> if i could go @man cp or @uwiki restrictedformats
[00:32] <ryaxnb> i suppose thats a good point :(
[00:32] <ryaxnb> ah well, nice theory
[00:32] <ryaxnb> i will leave now, having made my point
[00:32] <ryaxnb> have a nice day
[00:32] <IdleOne> same to you :)
[04:51] <EvilPhoenix> you have someone in #ubuntu violating channel policies
 hey, anybody here that knows how to hustle warez on the street?  I figured since everyone's doing it on the internet, nobody's looking for it in the actual world.  But, i can't seem to find the "crowd" that would buy it from me
[04:52] <EvilPhoenix> that's the quote of the user
[04:52] <EvilPhoenix> any of you alive?
[04:53] <IdleOne> EvilPhoenix: I'm watching
[04:53] <EvilPhoenix> thank you :)
[04:53] <IdleOne> thank you.
[06:43] <mneptok> @login
[11:04] <Professor_G> why am i in here
[11:06] <Professor_G> and why cant i join #ubuntu
[11:08] <popey> @login
[11:09] <popey> @btlogin
[11:09] <jussi> hi Professor_G, one moment
[11:09] <Professor_G> ok
[11:11] <jussi> Professor_G: looking at the log, I have no idea, it seems that ikonia has forwarded you here. Lets see if he is around.
[11:12] <Professor_G> ok
[11:13] <jussi> Professor_G: have you spoken to ikonia at all recently?
[11:15] <Professor_G> jussi,  2 days ago
[11:16] <jussi> Professor_G: do you remember what it was about? I dont have any context, so until he comes, Ive got what yo can give me
[11:16] <popey> looks like an accident to me
[11:16] <popey> line before Professor_Gs question in #ubuntu was a spam line
[11:16] <Professor_G> jussi,  what popey said
[11:17] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/487730/
[11:17]  * popey shrugs
[11:17] <jussi> right. Im going to unban you then. If ikonia comes in and says something else, then Ill talk to him
[11:18] <jussi> Professor_G: feel free to return to ubuntu.
[11:18] <Professor_G> thanks
[11:20]  * knome 's tongue tickles
[11:20]  * knome giggles
[11:20] <jussi> Professor_G: if theres nothing more, we have a no idle rule :=)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> on the offtopic consolidation emails im +1. it seems tbird is having isssues connecting to smp and pop
[12:36] <bazhang> kwpolska still being an issue. got him in PM
[12:36] <gnomefreak> bazhang: what channel?
[12:36] <bazhang> #ubuntu gnomefreak
[12:36] <bazhang> got him muted at the moment
[12:36] <gnomefreak> bazhang: thanks i will keep my eye open incase he continues
[12:36] <gnomefreak> yay :)
[12:37] <bazhang> gnomefreak, his first response to the guidelines: 'go away'
[12:37] <bazhang> he was the shell ban dodger who was an issue a while back
[12:37] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:38] <gnomefreak> oh this shell crap again. not real sure what it is but seems to be an issue
 just asking, can you please unmute my host and mute my name?
[12:39] <bazhang> Kwpolska> I don't want to be killed by someone at my shell provider.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> his shell provider keep track of ubuntu channels?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> why would he needs a shell provider if ubuntu includes shells. IIRC they are for users with non linux systems
[12:40] <bazhang> he's had issues with two different ones so far, this would be the third
[12:41] <gnomefreak> than he doesnt deserve one IMHO
[12:41] <bazhang> ie causing issues for everyone, just because he's not free to tell everyone how ubuntu sucks <--- his last message
[12:42] <gnomefreak> imho he should be banned and it never be lifted if he is going to be good.
[12:42] <gnomefreak> sounds like he will not be good
[13:02] <bazhang> well, he's had a very long time to read the code of conduct and guidelines, and given zero indication he  intends to follow them; just concern about his shell provider's reaction to being muted/etc
[13:02] <bazhang> not a peep since the first two minutes
[13:05] <ikonia> professor_g was banned from #ubuntu, I put a forward on his ban dodging IP to catch him
[13:06] <bazhang> ikonia, it was removed earlier
[13:07] <ikonia> I've just put it back
[13:07] <bazhang> about 4-5 hours ago.
[13:07] <bazhang> ah okay
[13:08] <ikonia> just updated BT, I got sidetracked talking to him last time
[13:09] <bazhang> so going to change mute on kwpolska to ban
[13:09] <bazhang> this is the 3rd time he's been an issue, that I can recollect
[13:22] <bazhang> pradeep was removed earlier for asking repeatedly for Ultimate help. seems to think helping in #ubuntu allows that to be supported
[13:26] <ikonia> bazhang: he's been banned before
[13:27] <bazhang> ikonia, yep; just not sure how long to give him to reply in PM whether he intends to follow the code of conduct and guidelines
[13:28] <ikonia> he's active in #fedora now
[13:28] <ikonia> ranting
[13:28] <bazhang> ugh
[13:28] <jrib> ugh indeed
[13:29] <bazhang> some of the insane posters starting up
[13:29] <ikonia> and bragging about it in #shellium
[13:29] <ikonia> change to a ban and remove him
[13:29] <bazhang> okay then
[13:33] <bazhang> +r time?
[13:34] <ikonia> there has been too much of late
[13:34] <ikonia> I've jumped the gun and know that , but it's been a stead flow of late
[13:34] <ikonia> dirty trick using priceyy
[13:38] <jrib> if they're monitoring modes on several channels, in theory we should be able to figure out how right?
[13:38] <ikonia> enable brain
[13:39] <Pici> jrib: You can check modes without being in the channel. :(
[13:39] <jrib> bah
[13:40]  * Pici facepalms
[13:41] <Pici> fyi, one of the planet posts suggested updating to beta, I forget which one.
[13:42] <bazhang> okay, banned and removed kwpolska
[13:42] <bazhang> never did reply to PM outside of expressing concern about shell host
[13:43] <popey> ikonia: sorry, I didnt know the history
[13:54] <ikonia> popey: on what ?
[13:55] <popey> professor_g, earlier
[13:56] <ikonia> popey: it's not a problem, (I thought jussi removed it) it's back in place, it's my fault for not updating BT on the second ban, but when I banned him I was talking to him explaining it was wrong (even though he knows )so got side tracked
[15:35] <Pici> Anyone happen to know the date of 9.04's EOL?
[15:35] <ikonia> nope
[15:36] <ikonia> must be close now
[15:36] <bazhang> !9.04
[15:36] <bazhang> 18 months, right?
[15:37] <ikonia> yup
[15:37] <bazhang> so one more month
[15:37] <ikonia> glad to see the back of that release.
[15:37] <Pici> I'd like to put it in the topic, but I know if I just put October 2010, people are going to ask when.
[15:37] <h00k> That's probably a good idea
[15:37] <ikonia> Pici: ban them ;)
[15:38] <Pici> ikonia: I'd love to, but our banlist is already bloated :P
[15:39] <ikonia> touche'
[15:39] <ikonia> an answer for everything
[15:39] <gnomefreak> Pici: once maverick is released
[15:39] <gnomefreak> also hardy desktop will EOL same time
[15:40] <h00k> Jaunty. Oh man. All these releases, I'm getting old.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> bazhang: should be when Maverick releases
[15:40] <bazhang> charlie-tca, thanks!
[15:41] <gnomefreak> than IIRC only 3 releases supported hardy-server karmic, lucid, maverick
[15:41] <gnomefreak> make that 4
[15:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: Yes, but will it go EOL on the 10th or on the 31st?
[15:41] <gnomefreak> Pici: forgot after reading it
[15:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: dapper server is still supported.
[15:42] <gnomefreak> Pici: 11.04 will end it
[15:42] <jpds> Pici: 23th.
[15:42] <jpds> wut, 23rd*
[15:43] <Pici> jpds: for 9.04?
[15:43] <jpds> Yes.
[15:43] <charlie-tca> I do show the actual release dates as april 23, 2009 for 9.04 and april 24, 2008 for 8.04
[15:43] <gnomefreak> ubuntu.com should give the info. i read it from devel mailing list a while ago
[15:43] <charlie-tca> usually eol is on the release date of the version going eol
[15:44] <Pici> jpds: thanks.
[15:45] <jpds> Pici: I'm assuming that it's 18 months after release date. :)
[15:51] <bazhang>  [gobo] (~gobo@122-124-132-20.dynamic.hinet.net): sirc user bet he's ban dodging (checking bt now)
[15:52] <bazhang> chonema!~tux@122-124-131-235.dynamic.hinet.net bingo!
[15:52] <elky> oh. him.
[15:52] <elky> he's back too
[15:53] <bazhang> nutsoid as ever
[15:53] <h00k> I'm not familiar with the history on this one
[15:53] <bazhang> ban evading as chonema formerly
[15:54] <h00k> am I now up-to-date?
[15:55] <bazhang> sorry
[15:56] <elky> he's not goiing to manage to play nice, I have a ban waiting him in there.
[15:56] <bazhang> some kind of insane ranting about Chinese can read the logs and such banned previously in #ubuntu (now removed) and -ot (still there)
[15:57] <elky> and there we go
[15:59] <ikonia> oh, elky#s awake
[16:00] <elky> and drunk, not necessarily a good thing.
[16:00]  * ikonia gets hat and coat
[16:00] <elky> currently trying to find links to blog a response to planet fedora.
[16:00] <ikonia> I am actually going home now, so laters all
[16:01] <bazhang> night
[16:01] <elky> ikonia, ciao
[16:03] <gnomefreak> ikonia: later
[16:03] <Pici> ikonia: goodnight!
[16:04] <gnomefreak> night. but i thought you were going home not to sleep :)
[16:04] <Pici> er
[16:04] <bazhang> not me! ikonia :)
[16:04] <elky> bazhang, fiver on malay or indonesian.
[16:05] <Pici> or english
[16:06] <elky> damn
[16:06]  * elky hands a fiver over
[16:09] <h00k> Is sal_yum the same guy?
[16:09] <h00k> no.
[16:22] <bazhang> sjm, hi
[16:23] <sjm> hi, no problems, right now.  have a good day.
[16:23] <gnomefreak> msg ubottu yum
[16:24] <gnomefreak> ok damn forgot that
[16:24] <bazhang> !yum
[16:24] <gnomefreak> forget
[16:47] <gnomefreak> now that beta is released they stopped complaning about that now the new one is he new fonts
[16:59] <h00k> topyli: you assume correct
[17:00] <topyli> bingo!
 how well does the ubuntu ARM OS work
[18:09] <jussi> !attitude
[18:09] <jussi> !volunteer
[18:09] <jussi> !volunteers
[18:09] <jussi> !volunteers is <alias> attitude
[18:10] <jussi> !volunteers >ZykoticK9
[18:11] <jussi> cripes, I remember jaunty coming out...
[18:13] <ZykoticK9> jussi, may i ask you a question?  what was the "want you to know" thing regarding my "factoid is ..." was that done incorrectly or not clear?
[18:13] <jussi> ZykoticK9: no, it was just that I made the change and sent it to you ;))
[18:14] <ZykoticK9> jussi, i like the new version, but is there an alias for calling it with !volunteer or something similar, instead of !attitude? as that was my biggest "issue".
[18:14] <jussi> !volunteers | ZykoticK9
[18:15] <Pici> 13:09:47 <jussi> !volunteers is <alias> attitude
[18:15] <ZykoticK9> jussi, NICE - i love Ubuntu IRC community!  Awesome!  everyone.
[20:46] <garfieldairlines> hello
[20:46] <IdleOne> hello garfieldairlines
[20:46] <IdleOne> How can we help you?
[20:46] <garfieldairlines> I'm an admin of the french wikipedia and I'd want to have a MOTU for an interview on the sister project : wikinews
[20:47] <IdleOne> hmm
[20:47] <IdleOne> ask in #ubuntu-motu
[20:47] <IdleOne> they should be able to help
[20:47] <garfieldairlines> okay, thanks :p
[20:47] <garfieldairlines> (that's a lot of chans hey ! :D)
[20:47] <IdleOne> no problem
[20:48] <IdleOne> Ubuntu has a lot of channels yes
[20:48] <IdleOne> garfieldairlines: if you could part this channel please as there is a no idle rule here :) thank you
[20:49] <garfieldairlines> okay
[20:49] <garfieldairlines> thanks for helping !
[22:10] <LjL> hi. with respect to "mneptok they have not said anything here about, to the best of my recollection", the topic being the removal of the !rimshot factoid, which i have said nothing here about
[22:10] <LjL> since saying something here about it seems to be important, then i will
[22:11] <LjL> i think that the removal of that, but more importantly all joke, channel-specific -offtopic factoid was mostly senseless, and also a bit rough to those who were attached to those factoids as they were part of the history of the channel. it seems current ops value apparent seriousness over everything else, including the bits of fun that -offtopic was always meant to provide.
[22:13] <LjL> also i guess perhaps people should speak up more about things that are done by the ops team which they don't like, since apparently the problem is that nobody raises objections
[22:13] <LjL> i will be sure to speak up more and encourage others to do so, bye
[22:13] <Seeker`> -_-
[22:14] <Seeker`> zomgtoolazytotypesomething?
[22:21] <rww> Hello. Any thoughts on adding !ppa and !sru to the end of !latest?
[22:21] <rww> !latest
[22:21] <IdleOne> !sru
[22:21] <Tm_T> rww: yes please?
[22:21] <rww> s/.$/, !ppa, !sru./, that is.
[22:21] <IdleOne> good idea rww
[22:23] <rww> Tm_T: Do you have ubottu access, or shall I make a factoid suggestion?
[22:23] <Tm_T> let me try...
[22:24] <Tm_T> !no, latest s/.$/, !ppa, !sru./
[22:24] <rww> Tm_T: you missed a =~ between latest and s/
[22:24] <Tm_T> aah thanks
[22:24] <Tm_T> !no, latest ~s/.$/, !ppa, !sru./
[22:24] <IdleOne> hehe
[22:24] <Tm_T> bah, one moment
[22:25] <nhandler> ubottu: !no latest is <reply> Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are  only considered if they are: fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[22:25] <nhandler> !latest | rww
[22:25] <rww> nhandler: boo, doing things the simpler, less confusing way :(
[22:25] <rww> thanks!
[22:25] <nhandler> No problem
[22:25] <maco> Tm_T: that time you missed the = :P