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| avalmez | hello | 04:56 |
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| avalmez | newbie...help? | 04:56 |
| dylan-m | Hey, quick question on Unity's global menu stuff :) | 20:42 |
| fagan | dylan-m: hey | 20:42 |
| fagan | (try not to ask to ask a question its not good IRC form ) | 20:42 |
| fagan | ask away | 20:43 |
| dylan-m | According to Unity's design, when a window is unmaximized, is the application menu _meant_ to stay in the top panel or should it follow the title bar and be drawn in the window client again? | 20:44 |
| fagan | The menu should always be on the top | 20:44 |
| vish | heh , weird that synaptic chooses not to use the app menu ;) | 20:45 |
| fagan | vish: whys that? | 20:46 |
| vish | fagan: i guess no one looked into it :) | 20:46 |
| dylan-m | That would probably be because Synaptic is running as root, so it won't be connected to your session's dbus bus | 20:46 |
| vish | or that^ | 20:46 |
| fagan | yeah thats right | 20:46 |
| dylan-m | Which is why aptdaemon is a wonderful, excellent thing | 20:47 |
| fagan | doesnt mean much to the regular user so its ok to get it next release | 20:47 |
| Omega | Have you guys looked into tiling window managers? | 20:48 |
| dylan-m | fagan: Thanks for the answer! It does feel a bit funny to me, but if it's designed for I'm happy! | 20:48 |
| dylan-m | (I would probably like it better if I stopped being stubborn and turned off “focus follows mouse”) | 20:48 |
| fagan | Omega: tiling window managers were a bad bad fad from the 90s that never took off | 20:49 |
| Omega | I believe that tiling is very powerfull, but they are not there yet. | 20:49 |
| Omega | fagan: Why do you think it is bad? | 20:49 |
| fagan | it is | 20:49 |
| fagan | its good if you have a huge screen | 20:50 |
| fagan | but 99% of people dont | 20:50 |
| Omega | But, there are also hybrid approaches | 20:50 |
| Omega | like bluetile | 20:50 |
| fagan | maybe so but you could just not have your windows maximized in a normal window manager | 20:50 |
| fagan | tiling is kinda redundant as a practice | 20:51 |
| fagan | since you can do it anyway with regular window managers | 20:52 |
| fagan | maybe not in the same way but the result is the same | 20:52 |
| Omega | It takes more effort to split the screen on a what you call normal window manager. | 20:53 |
| fagan | not really | 20:53 |
| fagan | just drag the windows to where you want | 20:53 |
| Omega | So it's half-off screen? | 20:53 |
| fagan | not really | 20:54 |
| Omega | Okay, how do you split the screen so two applications share it? | 20:54 |
| Omega | What are the steps. | 20:54 |
| fagan | you resize the two windows so they both fit | 20:54 |
| Omega | one by one | 20:55 |
| Omega | and then move them | 20:55 |
| fagan | yep | 20:55 |
| Omega | resize again | 20:55 |
| Omega | With a tiling window manager, you just resize (one) and the other also resizes | 20:55 |
| fagan | the current model is the most flexible and is the most widely used way of doing things | 20:56 |
| Omega | I don't see how it is more flexible, with bluetile you can also stack windows. | 20:56 |
| fagan | the only other one we may look at is how mac does it where the windows size to their natural sizes | 20:56 |
| Omega | Even Windows has some sort of tiling in it's latest operating system. | 20:56 |
| Omega | s/Windows/Microsoft | 20:57 |
| fagan | they have each application like we have its just the list is stacked to save space | 20:57 |
| Omega | No, I mean when you drag an application to the edge of the screen it 'snaps' | 20:57 |
| Omega | It's just that with stacking window managers you spend a lot of time arranging windows. | 20:58 |
| fagan | well we have it so it sizes the window to the last size it was before it was before it was maximized | 20:58 |
| Omega | I'm not talking about minimizing and maximizing. | 20:59 |
| fagan | I think compiz has that somewhere too | 20:59 |
| fagan | I dont think its the default behavior but its there | 21:00 |
| Omega | Oh. | 21:00 |
| fagan | But we are moving to Gnome Shell soon ish (within two cycles maybe) and that kinda likes the behavior that every program is maxed | 21:01 |
| dylan-m | I wouldn't really call Win7's approach "tiling," because the snapped windows don't influence the others in any way. | 21:01 |
| dylan-m | It does demonstrate that there's a lot of cool stuff one can add to conventional stacking window managers without completely changing them. Lots of room for adventurous souls to experiment with stuff that makes sorting windows a bit easier. (A spring simulation for pushing windows against each other springs to mind). | 21:01 |
| Omega | Yeah, a hybrid approach would work, I believe. | 21:02 |
| fagan | Man I love two finger scrolling | 21:08 |
| Omega | I can't get it to work ): | 21:09 |
| Omega | Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw | 21:09 |
| fagan | lol I just found a really nice crash in nautilus | 21:09 |
| fagan | damn doesnt trigger apport | 21:10 |
| fagan | :/ | 21:10 |
| fagan | hmmm someone scroll really fast over the listbox that says icon view in nautilus for a sec | 21:11 |
| fagan | go up and down over and over again | 21:11 |
| fagan | and it should crash | 21:11 |
| Omega | Watch the video please. | 21:11 |
| dylan-m | I think you blew up thorwil's computer :P | 21:11 |
| fagan | nice | 21:11 |
| Omega | That's just one experiment, there are loads of other ways we can make it better. | 21:15 |
| dylan-m | fagan: Okay, I reproduced your crash! :) | 21:16 |
| fagan | nice | 21:16 |
| fagan | im such an awesome tester | 21:16 |
| fagan | im going to make a bug | 21:16 |
| fagan | :D | 21:16 |
| dylan-m | It was a bit tricky, though… Wasn't cooperating when I was going _really_ quickly, then it crashed when I did it a bit slower (so that it showed each state instead of just jumping straight between Icon View and List View) | 21:18 |
| fagan | I got it when I scrolled over it once | 21:18 |
| Omega | Scrolling? | 21:19 |
| fagan | ah its already a bug | 21:19 |
| fagan | :/ | 21:19 |
| Omega | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE_Qb7arW3s | 21:22 |
| Omega | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8arxn5C-0&feature=channel Is also interesting. | 21:26 |
| Omega | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw | 21:28 |
| Omega | Eh, I already pasted that. | 21:29 |
| Omega | Paste-o. | 21:29 |
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