=== Xuzz is now known as SuidMan === SuidMan is now known as SquidSOUP_ === SquidSOUP_ is now known as SuqidMan === SuqidMan is now known as IHATETRAP15 === IHATETRAP15 is now known as HATERBOT [04:56] hello [04:56] newbie...help? [20:42] Hey, quick question on Unity's global menu stuff :) [20:42] dylan-m: hey [20:42] (try not to ask to ask a question its not good IRC form ) [20:43] ask away [20:44] According to Unity's design, when a window is unmaximized, is the application menu _meant_ to stay in the top panel or should it follow the title bar and be drawn in the window client again? [20:44] The menu should always be on the top [20:45] heh , weird that synaptic chooses not to use the app menu ;) [20:46] vish: whys that? [20:46] fagan: i guess no one looked into it :) [20:46] That would probably be because Synaptic is running as root, so it won't be connected to your session's dbus bus [20:46] or that^ [20:46] yeah thats right [20:47] Which is why aptdaemon is a wonderful, excellent thing [20:47] doesnt mean much to the regular user so its ok to get it next release [20:48] Have you guys looked into tiling window managers? [20:48] fagan: Thanks for the answer! It does feel a bit funny to me, but if it's designed for I'm happy! [20:48] (I would probably like it better if I stopped being stubborn and turned off “focus follows mouse”) [20:49] Omega: tiling window managers were a bad bad fad from the 90s that never took off [20:49] I believe that tiling is very powerfull, but they are not there yet. [20:49] fagan: Why do you think it is bad? [20:49] it is [20:50] its good if you have a huge screen [20:50] but 99% of people dont [20:50] But, there are also hybrid approaches [20:50] like bluetile [20:50] maybe so but you could just not have your windows maximized in a normal window manager [20:51] tiling is kinda redundant as a practice [20:52] since you can do it anyway with regular window managers [20:52] maybe not in the same way but the result is the same [20:53] It takes more effort to split the screen on a what you call normal window manager. [20:53] not really [20:53] just drag the windows to where you want [20:53] So it's half-off screen? [20:54] not really [20:54] Okay, how do you split the screen so two applications share it? [20:54] What are the steps. [20:54] you resize the two windows so they both fit [20:55] one by one [20:55] and then move them [20:55] yep [20:55] resize again [20:55] With a tiling window manager, you just resize (one) and the other also resizes [20:56] the current model is the most flexible and is the most widely used way of doing things [20:56] I don't see how it is more flexible, with bluetile you can also stack windows. [20:56] the only other one we may look at is how mac does it where the windows size to their natural sizes [20:56] Even Windows has some sort of tiling in it's latest operating system. [20:57] s/Windows/Microsoft [20:57] they have each application like we have its just the list is stacked to save space [20:57] No, I mean when you drag an application to the edge of the screen it 'snaps' [20:58] It's just that with stacking window managers you spend a lot of time arranging windows. [20:58] well we have it so it sizes the window to the last size it was before it was before it was maximized [20:59] I'm not talking about minimizing and maximizing. [20:59] I think compiz has that somewhere too [21:00] I dont think its the default behavior but its there [21:00] Oh. [21:01] But we are moving to Gnome Shell soon ish (within two cycles maybe) and that kinda likes the behavior that every program is maxed [21:01] I wouldn't really call Win7's approach "tiling," because the snapped windows don't influence the others in any way. [21:01] It does demonstrate that there's a lot of cool stuff one can add to conventional stacking window managers without completely changing them. Lots of room for adventurous souls to experiment with stuff that makes sorting windows a bit easier. (A spring simulation for pushing windows against each other springs to mind). [21:02] Yeah, a hybrid approach would work, I believe. [21:08] Man I love two finger scrolling [21:09] I can't get it to work ): [21:09] Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw [21:09] lol I just found a really nice crash in nautilus [21:10] damn doesnt trigger apport [21:10] :/ [21:11] hmmm someone scroll really fast over the listbox that says icon view in nautilus for a sec [21:11] go up and down over and over again [21:11] and it should crash [21:11] Watch the video please. [21:11] I think you blew up thorwil's computer :P [21:11] nice [21:15] That's just one experiment, there are loads of other ways we can make it better. [21:16] fagan: Okay, I reproduced your crash! :) [21:16] nice [21:16] im such an awesome tester [21:16] im going to make a bug [21:16] :D [21:18] It was a bit tricky, though… Wasn't cooperating when I was going _really_ quickly, then it crashed when I did it a bit slower (so that it showed each state instead of just jumping straight between Icon View and List View) [21:18] I got it when I scrolled over it once [21:19] Scrolling? [21:19] ah its already a bug [21:19] :/ [21:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE_Qb7arW3s [21:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8arxn5C-0&feature=channel Is also interesting. [21:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccniJHjo_Uw [21:29] Eh, I already pasted that. [21:29] Paste-o.