[00:00] <litropy> crimsun_: it doesn't cut power to the entire card itself, just the antenna? Anyhow, any ideas?
[00:00] <kklimonda> crimsun_: is backports-modules-alsa in 10.04 a 1.0.23 or have you made a snapshot even later? diff says that the version from backports has quite a few more files
[00:01] <sidnei> if anyone has issues with slow scrolling and nvidia, see bug #629910
[00:02] <kklimonda> crimsun_: you are backporting maverick kernel to lucid? it's some new policy? does it go to -backports or through -updates, but with a different name and not as an update?
[00:02] <kklimonda> sidnei: even slower than now? seriously? :/
[00:02] <kklimonda> brb
[00:03] <sidnei> if now == lucid, then yes. it was pretty ok on lucid for me.
[00:03] <litropy> crimsun_: this is ath9k
[00:03] <kklimonda> now == maverick with the previous nvidia driver :)
[00:03] <litropy> I've got an AR9285
[00:04] <crimsun_> kklimonda: the kernel team lead (tim g) backports them. They go into the kernel ppa.
[00:04] <crimsun_> kklimonda: the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa has the daily builds.
[00:05] <litropy> further info: no mac filtering on router. If I allow NM to revert to my actual mac, it works fine. this is without the on/off card toggle.
[00:07] <sidnei> seems like it's not related to nvidia actually, but not quite sure.
[00:07] <sidnei> the same driver on xorg 1.8 works fine, according to some reports
[00:11] <mininessie> i can use command make
[00:11] <mininessie> i can't use make command
[00:15] <Some_Person> I miss the ability to scroll wheel over the volume icon to adjust
[00:16] <mininessie> i am trying to run pcsxr and i am getting libglade2 not install but it is
[00:16] <crimsun_> Some_Person: well, you can click the indicator-sound applet and scroll wheel over the horizontal slider
[00:16] <mininessie> actually it says libglade2 not found
[00:17] <mininessie> help me
[00:19] <emvee> has anyone had all sound stop for no apparent reason and not come back in maverick?
[00:20] <emvee> it worked at first but it appears the shut down process did something to the sound (when i shut down it will show the volume box being muted) and when i log back in i can unmute it but there is no longer any sound
[00:21] <crimsun_> emvee: make sure your volume sliders aren't set to zero ;)
[00:21] <emvee> yes i done that! ;)
[00:21] <crimsun_> emvee: please run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh, then
[00:21] <emvee> what is that?
[00:24] <emvee> ah nm ok
[00:25] <mininessie> how do i find xtest headers
[00:27] <xcyclist> My 10.10 doesn't connect to the internet.  Is this a known bug?
[00:28] <xcyclist> I am just bringing it up on a laptop live boot, and neither the live boot, nor the install step gives me an internet connection.
[00:29] <mininessie> how do i find xtest headers
[00:31] <crimsun_> emvee: what's the url?
[00:31] <emvee> ok
[00:32] <emvee> i chose the option to upload it to the site and it said the information is at: (nothing was given)
[00:32] <emvee> so i did it without uploading it to a site and i now have the information in a file on my computer
[00:32] <emvee> but i dunno why it wouldn't have uploaded.. :P
[00:33] <emvee> i'll try it again actually and then if it doesn't?
[00:33] <emvee> brb
[00:33] <crimsun_> emvee: if it doesn't, pastebin /tmp/alsa-info.txt
[00:35] <BUGabundo> I'm beening told by and user that update-manager -d from 10.04.1 is failing
[00:35] <emvee> pastebin is no command
[00:35] <BUGabundo> please advice
[00:36] <BUGabundo> emvee: pastebinit
[00:36] <emvee> tnks
[00:36] <crimsun_> emvee: see paste.ubuntu.com, or install the package that BUGabundo refers to
[00:40] <emvee> http://pastebin.com/jzjrqgwW
[00:40] <Some_Person> I am very impressed at compiz's performance in maverick
[00:41] <emvee> thanks
[00:44] <Some_Person> Normally, I keep compiz disabled because it reduces performance, but now I've gone crazy with the eyecandy and things are actually running smoothly
[00:44] <crimsun_> emvee: sec
[00:44] <emvee> np
[00:45] <crimsun_> emvee: lines 314-315 of your paste ;)
[00:47] <emvee> lol but..
[00:47] <emvee> how do i up it then? the master control says it's up
[00:47] <emvee> and i never turned it down
[00:47] <crimsun_> emvee: use alsamixer
[00:49] <emvee> and what do i change?  master says it's up to 75
[00:51] <emvee> but if i shutdown the computer as i said i see it being muted, which is weird isnt it
[00:51] <mininessie> how do i find xtest headers
[00:51] <emvee> but will any of the controls in alsamixer fix it?
[00:55] <emvee> crimsun_ ?
[00:55] <crimsun_> emvee: see the 'PCM' element. Unmute it, and raise it.
[00:58] <emvee> done still no sound
[00:58] <emvee> :(
[01:01] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, how's the btrfs drive working out?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: nothing to report
[01:02] <BUGabundo> its totally transperent to me
[01:02] <emvee> i think the question is... what is it that mutes the sound to begin and what THEn automatically mutes and turns down the volume of both master and pcm?
[01:03] <emvee> the pcm and master and the information  you read seem to be a reaction to the actual problem
[01:03] <emvee> when i shut down the pcm and master i am sure will automatically revert to zero and mute because of...something
[01:04] <emvee> crimsun_ ... anyone?
[01:12] <crimsun_> emvee: some application is doing that; you can use a verbose pulse log to check
[01:12] <crimsun_> emvee: pastebin your `amixer' output
[01:13] <emvee> could it be padsp?
[01:14] <emvee> that's the only sound command i used before, to play .ogg files through a program that normally uses /dev/dsp
[01:15] <emvee> as for the verbose pulse log how do i do that, and where is the amixer output?
[01:21] <crimsun_> emvee: amixer is a command. Type it. :)
[01:22] <dubbydubby> hey anyone i got maverick and my volume controller disapeared
[01:22] <crimsun_> emvee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[01:22] <dubbydubby> anyone know how i can get that back
[01:22] <dubbydubby> the little applet for the gnome-panel
[01:23] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: does speaker-test -c2 -l1 -Dplug:front    work?
[01:23] <crimsun_> emvee: which program are you using that uses the legacy oss api?
[01:23] <dubbydubby> yes speaker test works
[01:23] <dubbydubby> i get the noisy nois
[01:24] <dubbydubby> i can still listen to rhythmbox
[01:24] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: does `pulseaudio -k' return the indicator-sound applet?
[01:24] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: make sure you close rhythmbox first
[01:25] <emvee> darn i was hoping dubby was in my boat ;) ok brb
[01:25] <dubbydubby> pulseaudo -k produces nothing
[01:25] <dubbydubby> pulseaudo deamon is running
[01:26] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: and the indicator-sound applet?
[01:26] <dubbydubby> no where to be seen
[01:26] <emvee> ok how do i get the amixer output to a file, i forget lol
[01:26] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: reproducible with a new user?
[01:26] <crimsun_> emvee: amixer > /tmp/foo.txt
[01:26] <emvee> lol
[01:27] <emvee> ok
[01:27] <emvee> i knew it had an arrow inzit
[01:27] <dubbydubby> hey crimsun
[01:28] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: yes?
[01:28] <dubbydubby> works
[01:28] <dubbydubby> lol
[01:28] <crimsun_> dubbydubby: so something in your gconf/gnome profile is corrupted
[01:28] <dubbydubby> indicator applet re-instal
[01:28] <dubbydubby> yeah must have been
[01:28] <emvee> crimsun_ http://pastebin.com/gNXSv3Bv
[01:28] <dubbydubby> first thing i had to do when installing maverik is also reinstall gnome-panel
[01:29] <crimsun_> emvee: and sound is still inaudible?
[01:30] <crimsun_> emvee: if so, can you try: speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav -Dplug:front
[01:31] <emvee> still no sound, ok will do
[01:32] <histo> Does the mini.iso update with each update like alpha 3 to beta etc...?  Or does it pull a package list during install?
[01:32] <emvee> ok
[01:33] <emvee> i checked the sound before by playing a  youtube video lol, and i did the test after that didn't work and it said the sound device or resource is busy, so i closed youtube and now i can hear sound
[01:33] <emvee> from the test
[01:34] <emvee> is weird didn't work in youtube tho. also, i wasn't on a video when i closed it i was only on the main youtube site, as if that was using it? weird
[01:34] <histo> nvm found my answer mini.iso was released on 08-26 and hasn't updated
[01:34] <crimsun_> emvee: ok, so you're experiencing the well-known "Flash grabs the sound device" bug
[01:36] <emvee> but also weird is that before, when i checked it i was checking it by running padsp and a program called sbagen (brainwave binaural audio beats) and that didn't work
[01:36] <emvee> and there was no youtube site open
[01:36] <emvee> anyway testing that now
[01:37] <emvee> ok still no sound
[01:37] <psion> has anyone here installed 10.10 via usb on a netbook?
[01:37] <kklimonda> hmm, has the default wallpaper been tweaked recently? Or has it just grown on me?
[01:38] <emvee> so it seems the flash may have grabbed it then, but it's not the problem
[01:38] <emvee> and even tho the sound test works, sound doesn't work anywhere else
[01:38] <emvee> ?
[01:39] <emvee> so now i got two bugs? the flash bug and the unknown bug ;)
[01:40] <psion> when booting using 10.10 netbook edition on usb drive, it just sits at: SYSLINUX 3.86 2010-04-01 EBIOS.. etc
[01:42] <crimsun_> emvee: which test works?
[01:42] <emvee> speaker-test
[01:43] <emvee> it only didn't when it appears the flash was hogging it
[01:43] <emvee> but sound still doesn't come from anything but that
[01:45] <psion> hrm, the web is providing no real info on my problem
[01:45] <emvee> maybe it's the less famous speaker-test grabs the sound device bug lol, not
[01:46] <b4r14> hi to all, i am having problems with acpi module, my desktop are crashing(stopping) every time
[01:47] <b4r14> i use ubuntu 10.04 64bits and get this warn: 'ACPI Warning: Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB]'
[01:47] <b4r14> have solution to this?
[01:47] <crimsun_> emvee: try `pulseaudio -k'
[01:47] <crimsun_> emvee: if you have a verbose log handy, I'd appreciate that pastebinned
[01:48] <psion> I have found info on my problem but it tells me to create a usb stick without persistance enabled, anyone know what that means?
[01:48] <histo> going to try to install the netbook edition again.  Hopefully the lockup issue will be fixed I was experiencing.
[01:48] <emvee> um
[01:48] <crimsun_> psion: it means you shouldn't allocate space to store files on the usb stick
[01:48] <histo> psion: with out the casper system so you can't save your settings
[01:49] <emvee> i just did the pulseaudio -k and now padsp command doesn't even appear to run sbagen and its audio files, it gives me the same old error of can't open /dev/dsp, errno 2
[01:49] <psion> crimsun_: I used their universal usb creator, what else could I use to accomplish it?
[01:49] <crimsun_> emvee: you need to restart pulseaudio if you followed the verbose log steps
[01:50] <crimsun_> emvee: alternately, mv ~/.pulse/client.conf ~/.pulse/client.conf.bak
[01:50] <histo> psion: just select eh discarded on shutdown option then
[01:50] <histo> psion: that would disable persistance
[01:51] <psion> that isn't an option with this program
[01:51] <histo> psion: I thought you were using the startup disk creator?
[01:52] <psion> "Universal USB Installer" or w/e, it was linked to on the install info on the website
[01:52] <crimsun_> emvee: also, note that oss support has been removed from maverick's kernel, so you won't have a /dev/dsp, /dev/mixer, /dev/audio, etc.
[01:52] <psion> trying the one on the the drive now
[01:53] <histo> psion: thats the only one i've used and have had success with it.
[01:53] <psion> ok, thanks
[01:53] <histo> psion: the one built in to ubuntu
[01:53] <emvee> yeah i know, that's why i had to use padsp and now that isn't working :( (not that sound works at all anymore)
[01:54] <emvee> ok trying the alternative ;) says no /.pulse directory
[01:54] <crimsun_> emvee: not /.pulse
[01:54] <crimsun_> emvee: ~/.pulse
[01:54] <crimsun_> emvee: that leading tilde is vital
[01:54] <emvee> yeah no ~/.pulse
[01:55] <emvee> no /home/mv/.pulse/
[01:55] <emvee> or do i sudo it?
[01:55] <crimsun_> don't sudo
[01:55] <emvee> k
[01:55] <psion> histo: I'm using the one you mentioned now, but oddly enough when selecting the iso, it doesn't show up
[01:55] <JanC> do you have pulseaudio installed at all?
[01:56] <histo> psion: what doesn't show up?
[01:56] <crimsun_> emvee: what's the output from `sudo fuser /dev/snd/*'?
[01:56] <psion> the image should show up in the top part after you select it and open it, so that you can select it and the removable disk to use
[01:56] <histo> psion: you click other up top and then select the iso.
[01:56] <psion> I think I figured out a work around though, I mounted the image as a drive and that shows up
[01:57] <histo> psion: then in the bottom area you select the thumb drive
[01:57] <psion> histo: yeah, I clicked other and browsed to it
[01:57] <histo> psion: it should populate the top window then... Make sure your iso is good. I would check the hash
[01:57] <psion> histo: yeah I'll do that, it doesn't populate
[01:58] <psion> but when I mounted the iso as a drive, it did appear
[01:58] <quidnunc> After installing maverick and rebooting my GDM doesn't start, looking in syslog I have "plymouth-stop pre-start process (1818) terminated with status 1". Is this a known issue?
[01:58] <emvee> ... /dev/snd/controlC0:   1270  1342
[01:58] <emvee> and /dev/snd/controlC1:   1270  1342
[01:58] <emvee> jan i don't know
[01:58] <emvee> i ran it and got nothing, no error tho
[02:00] <crimsun_> emvee: and from `ps 1270 1342' ?
[02:00] <psion> histo: just checked it and it's a good file, I'll just try creating the usb drive using the mounted image
[02:00] <emvee> oh and after i ran it i tried to use padsp on the sbagen program to run its sounds and now that gives me an error so it definitely.... did something
[02:01] <kklimonda> quidnunc: this message is most likely not related to your problem. can you start gdm manually by doing sudo start gdm?
[02:01] <emvee> 1270 ?        Ssl    0:00 /usr/bin/xfce4-volumed
[02:02] <quidnunc> kklimonda: It says gdm is already started but I have no X session visible.
[02:02] <emvee> 1342 ?        Sl     0:00 /usr/lib/xfce4-mixer/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-mixer-
[02:02] <emvee> that's it
[02:03] <kklimonda> quidnunc: does ps aux |grep gdm shows it working? if so, can you use alt+f7 or alt+f8 to get to it then?
[02:03] <quidnunc> kklimonda: gdm-binary is there.
[02:06] <crimsun_> emvee: ah! That's the crazy "Xfce's mixer does wonky things on session login" bug
[02:07] <crimsun_> emvee: historically it, like KDE's mixer, sets the volume/mute, which makes for hilarity.
[02:07] <emvee> okay.... glad you understand lol
[02:07] <emvee> :)
[02:07] <emvee> it has a patch?
[02:08] <quidnunc> kklimonda: alt-f8 is blank (except cursor in top-left). alt-f7 is just some the startup console output (entries like "* blah started")
[02:08] <crimsun_> I'm not sure there is a fix at all; many people don't use pulse at all and thus expect that behavior.
[02:09] <emvee> ?
[02:09] <emvee> i haven't used the pulseaudio command before today tho
[02:09] <emvee> sorry what do you mean
[02:09] <kklimonda> quidnunc: can you start X yourself? by doing startx for example
[02:10] <kklimonda> quidnunc: and can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[02:10] <crimsun_> emvee: I'm saying that the "muted on session login" behavior is probably caused by Xfce's mixer
[02:10] <quidnunc> kklimonda: Is there a specific terminal I need to do that in?
[02:10] <emvee> ok
[02:10] <crimsun_> emvee: it's not necessarily related to pulse; it can just cause very poor interactions if you /do/ use pulse
[02:10] <kklimonda> quidnunc: no
[02:10] <emvee> but even when unmute it, etc, still no sound
[02:11] <crimsun_> emvee: sounds like applications doing weird things, then; your sound appears to work just fine
[02:11] <quidnunc> kklimonda: Yeah that produces some helpful debug messages. Just a sec I will paste it.
[02:12] <crimsun_> emvee: try something like `ogg123 /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/system-ready.ogg'
[02:12] <emvee> the soundtest worked yeah, that's weird, but padsp used to work (and youtube etc) until this mute thing started
[02:12] <quidnunc> /
[02:12] <emvee> and now padsp isn't doing what it used to do but only because of the pulseaudio -k command, do you know what happened there?
[02:13] <emvee> (though it had no sound before it still APpeared to be running properly)
[02:13] <emvee> ok will try
[02:14] <quidnunc> kklimonda:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/488070/
[02:15] <quidnunc> It seems the binary nvidia driver is not compatible with current kernel?
[02:15] <kklimonda> quidnunc: right, for nvidia-current the update has been uploaded today, I'm not sure about earlier versions
[02:16] <kklimonda> I'm surprised that you don't get a failsafe X though..
[02:16] <bjsnider> quidnunc, update nvidia-current to 256.53
[02:16] <emvee> there is no /ubuntu directory there
[02:18] <quidnunc> bjsnider: Where do I obtain that version number?
[02:18] <bjsnider> it should be built and published by now, just do your regular updates
[02:18] <quidnunc> bjsnider: okay, thanks
[02:19] <crimsun_> emvee: you can try playing any other ogg vorbis file
[02:19] <crimsun_> (out for a bit)
[02:20] <emvee> ok i did it and the sound bar came up and muted itself again, and unmuting it still no sound
[02:20] <emvee> though the track appears to be playing
[02:21] <bjsnider> that's odd
[02:21] <emvee> ok crimsun, thanks anyways
[02:21] <emvee> yeah
[02:22] <bjsnider> what stereo port are you using to test the sound?
[02:22] <emvee> i don't know lol
[02:22] <emvee> command?
[02:23] <emvee> :)
[02:23] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the physical port you have your speakers or phones plugged into
[02:23] <histo> This is inetresting failing at select and install softwware on the mini.iso
[02:23] <emvee> it is a laptop just two left/right front speakers
[02:24] <histo> Hrm... unambe to select ubuntu netbook from the mini.iso
[02:24] <bjsnider> ok, can you try the phone plug instead?
[02:24] <emvee> ok
[02:25] <emvee> no sound
[02:26] <bjsnider> what porgram are you using to play the file?
[02:27] <emvee> just then the ogg123 command
[02:28] <emvee> have also used padsp, and have used youtube and nothing, but the sound test works
[02:28] <bjsnider> works meaning you can hear the test sound?
[02:29] <emvee> is there any reason using padsp might have started all the weirdness yesterday?
[02:29] <emvee> yeah
[02:29] <bjsnider> what test sound is this and how did you play it?
[02:29] <emvee> speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav -Dplug:front
[02:30] <bjsnider> did you upgrade from a previous ubuntu or clean install maverick?
[02:31] <emvee> i clean installed it from the iso
[02:31] <emvee> i had 8.04 on a cd and installed that just to download the iso of maverick then i installed over the whole disk
[02:32] <bjsnider> you replaced everything or kept the home directory from hardy?
[02:33] <emvee> replaced everything
[02:33] <bjsnider> are you absolutely sure about that?
[02:33] <emvee> yeah... but why anyway?
[02:33] <bjsnider> i mean are you sure the maverick installer didn't just keep the old home directory
[02:34] <emvee> i chose the second option i can't remember what it said but it was a guided install over the entire disk
[02:34] <bjsnider> try creating a new user account. log out of the current one and into the new one
[02:34] <bjsnider> then try sound
[02:34] <emvee> oh no i definitely had to recreate the user
[02:35] <voidmage> hmm
[02:35] <bjsnider> emvee, did you use the same name?
[02:35] <emvee> yah .............
[02:35] <emvee> ythink
[02:35] <emvee> hmm
[02:35] <emvee> will try a new user
[02:36] <voidmage> any xchat users in here?
[02:36] <voidmage> for some reason the font looks really ugly when colored
[02:36] <voidmage> like in the channel buttons
[02:37] <emvee> can the background of the sides be changed colour in xchat?
[02:37] <emvee> i tried xchat and wanted to change the colours but the sides being left looked ugly
[02:38] <quidnunc> Is there a way to reinstall a package using the highest currently available binary without manually specifying the version number? I have a later version of several packages from ppas and I want to automatically downgrade them to the versions in the fficial repos.
[02:42] <voidmage> hmm, my cpu applet is showing dark text in ambience again, bug #532385
[02:42] <voidmage> do i open a new bug or use the existing one?
[02:50] <emvee> bjsnider gonna log back in now in dummy account fyi
[02:51] <emvee> were you just saying i should test the sound again under new account right?
[02:51] <bjsnider> yes
[02:52] <emvee> ok bbiab
[02:56] <emvee> bjsnider ..  nope :/
[02:57] <bjsnider> well, then it's not a screwy userspace configuration setting
[02:57] <emvee> common in 8.04? :)
[02:58] <emvee> or just incompatible
[02:59] <emvee> oh well
[03:00] <emvee> i decided to download the unstable version because i wanted to learn linux and thought i'm going to stuff it all up anyway so i may aswell stuff it up on the cutting edge
[03:00] <sidnei> quidnunc, look for ppa-purge
[03:01] <bjsnider> emvee, not sure i understand the logic of that
[03:01] <quidnunc> sidnei: Thanks
[03:02] <emvee> i did but now i need a second
[03:02] <emvee> lol
[03:03] <bjsnider> you don't know linux so you decided to make it doubly hard on yourself by using unstable versions in development
[03:03] <emvee> something about being a crash test dummy
[03:03] <emvee> low end job but hey
[03:03] <emvee> hehe
[03:04] <emvee> it's actually a fast way to learn
[03:05] <bjsnider> fast way to frustrate yourself for no reason
[03:05] <emvee> i'm not frustrated really
[03:05] <emvee> that's the other thing
[03:05] <emvee> i was getting frustrated when i was in versions that were meant to be stable
[03:06] <voidmage> ugh, there's one bug in wine about how wow crashes on login in maverick
[03:06] <voidmage> i'm having the same bug
[03:06] <voidmage> but they closed it invalid
[03:08] <emvee> i had linux over 10 years  ago because i was doing an internet/networking course and i did well but it's been a long time since over 10 years ago, more than 10 years in fact
[03:08] <voidmage> fun fact: it's caused by the ptrace protection in maverick https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening#PTRACE%20Protection
[03:09] <elvirolo> hello everyone
[03:10] <elvirolo> i just install the latest upgrades on maverick and gnome won't start. anyone else having the same problem ?
[03:11] <elvirolo> anyone around?
[03:11] <emvee> thanks for warning tho
[03:11] <emvee> heh
[03:11] <emvee> i was about to install
[03:12] <emvee> vil vait for answerz
[03:13] <elvirolo> well i hadn't installed the updates for some time
[03:13] <elvirolo> for still, i can't open any session
[03:13] <emvee> ah. what gui are u in now?
[03:14] <elvirolo> I'm using tty with iirc
[03:14] <emvee> oh k
[03:15] <elvirolo> I hope someone knows a fix :)
[03:15] <emvee> i vill be silent (or repeat the question:)
[03:16] <emvee> crimsun was pretty helpful but he just left
[03:16] <emvee> bbl tho
[03:16] <elvirolo> ok thanks
[03:16] <elvirolo> yeah crimsun is usually very helpful :)
[03:17] <emvee> i think he's a bug fetishist
[03:17] <elvirolo> lol
[03:17] <elvirolo> makes sense
[03:17] <emvee> :)
[03:18] <elvirolo> wait, i acutally have debian installed on this machine
[03:18] <elvirolo> i'll reboot brb :)
[03:18] <voidmage> the only other clue i have about why ptrace is failing in wine
[03:18] <voidmage> [ 1994.869982] ptrace of non-child pid 8718 was attempted by: wineserver (pid 8543)
[03:19] <kklimonda> voidmage: maybe it's just debugger connecting to wine process?
[03:20] <voidmage> i can fix it by disabling /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope
[03:20] <voidmage> when it's enabled, that message gets spit to dmesg and wow crashes
[03:20] <kklimonda> so do it and it will work
[03:21] <kklimonda> we can't fix wow to not do it and this restriction is there for a reason
[03:23] <emvee> silly question? how can i get thunderbird as an icon in the top panel from xubuntu maverick
[03:23] <emvee> the add applications doesn't have it as one
[03:23] <emvee> drag dropping doesn't work either
[03:33] <edgy> Hi, I have some sound problems so I thought to install the latest alsa before reporting any thing, I did git clone git://git.alsa-project.org/alsa-driver.git alsa-driver, but there is no ./configure script, what am I missing?
[03:33] <mrp> Everytime I login my wireless isn't enable by defualt and is greyed out the ability to enable it, I have to go into "Edit Connections" and edit one of the wirelesss networks and authenticate for more priviliges and then it works, any ideas?
[03:34] <kklimonda> edgy: you don't want to do that..
[03:35] <edgy> kklimonda: then what can I do, please?
[03:35] <kklimonda> edgy: if you think that daily build of alsa may fix your problem use https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[03:40] <edgy> kklimonda: marvellous, let me try it and report back
[03:45] <edgy> kklimonda: it seems I did something nasty let me explain. the sound didn't work. I downloaded alsa-driver snapshot and ./configure; make; sudo make install and then I have no sound devices at all, then tried git and couldn't find the ./configure script, then I came here and you pointed to ppa and did install it but now still
[03:45] <edgy> alsamixer
[03:45] <edgy> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[03:46] <kklimonda> edgy: reboot your system first
[03:46] <edgy> kklimonda: ok let me reboot ...
[03:50] <edgy> kklimonda: rebooted and still same problem
[03:53] <voidmage> the colors on the font in xchat look kind of ugly on the buttons, is this the same for anyone else? http://imgur.com/8WsfF.png
[03:54] <kklimonda> edgy: then you will have to wait for crimsun - he may know what have you overwritten by installing alsa from sources
[03:55] <edgy> kklimonda: I will wait for crimsun_ then, do you think he would show within minutes or days? ;)
[03:55] <voidmage> or does anyone know where the font for the buttons is controlled? it's not in an obvious place to me
[03:57] <kklimonda> edgy: he went out "for a bit" an hour ago or so
[03:58] <edgy> kklimonda: thanks a lot
[04:07] <edgy> another issue: when I visit a web page or do something that needs a codec not installed kde gives me an icon indicating what needs to be installed like k3b codec, mpeg but when I click on it I get this message
[04:07] <edgy> This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided
[04:20] <ignatius> What's the sudo apt get package for the nvidia drivers?
[04:20] <ignatius> I upgraded to 10.10 and I can't get into x
[04:20] <ignatius> I tried nvidia-xconfig or whatever
[04:23] <ignatius> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so
[04:23] <ignatius> ugh
[04:27] <voidmage> what's with totem resizing to double on widescreen videos?
[04:27] <voidmage> i take that back it's resizing to double on everything
[04:27] <voidmage> oh, bug #618836
[04:40] <ElementalDragon> hiya
[04:45] <elvirolo> hi again
[04:46] <elvirolo> so, has anyone been experiencing problems with starting a gnome session since the latest updates ?
[04:47] <ignatius> heh
[04:47] <ignatius> Yup
[04:47] <ignatius> Can't get into x at all
[04:47] <ignatius> But I have a driver issue
[04:47] <ignatius> I don't want to boot to the livecd to fix it
[04:47] <ignatius> there has to be another way
[04:51] <edgy> crimsun_: can you please show up?
[04:53] <crimsun_> edgy: hi
[04:54] <elvirolo> uuuh the connection keeps dropping
[04:54] <elvirolo> has anyone been experiencing problems with starting a gnome session since the latest updates ?
 so, has anyone been experiencing problems with starting a gnome
[04:54] <emvee>            session since the latest updates ?
 heh
 Yup
 Can't get into x at all
 But I have a driver issue
 I don't want to boot to the livecd to fix it
 there has to be another way
[04:55] <edgy> crimsun_: I have a sound issue, no /proc/asound, no /dev/snd and kklimonda told me you are the man
[04:55] <crimsun_> edgy: please first run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[04:56] <crimsun_> edgy: if that script doesn't generate a url after being run, then please pastebin /tmp/alsa-info.txt
[04:56] <edgy> crimsun_: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=016a869ef9d4f81c8ac35dc29671298271a0d220
[04:57] <crimsun_> edgy: is this a boot from a live Beta cd/
[04:57] <crimsun_> edgy: ?
[04:58] <edgy> crimsun_: no, this is a maverick installation
[04:58] <crimsun_> edgy: it looks like you've tried to compile your own alsa-driver. Is that so?
[04:59] <ElementalDragon> ... what's the command that has to be added to boot to disable ACPI?
[04:59] <edgy> crimsun_: exactly. the story began when I have some issues with my card so I downloaded alsa-driver snapshot and still problems then I did make uninstall and tried the ppa ofhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[04:59] <crimsun_> acpi=off
[04:59] <ElementalDragon> and that gets added to the end of the command line?
[05:00] <crimsun_> edgy: well, in doing so you've completely messed up your sound modules
[05:00] <edgy> crimsun_: and still I am working in circles
[05:00] <crimsun_> ElementalDragon: sure
[05:00] <edgy> crimsun_: what I did wrong?
[05:00] <elvirolo> huuh
[05:01] <crimsun_> edgy: you didn't completely remove the manually-generated ones or update the module dependencies map, which gives you those errors.
[05:01] <edgy> crimsun_: shouldn't make uninstall completely remove the manual ones?
[05:02] <crimsun_> edgy: so, what I recommend at this point is completely removing /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/, forcibly reinstalling linux-image-$(uname -r), and rebooting
[05:02] <crimsun_> edgy: it should, yes, but I have no idea what else you've done
[05:02] <crimsun_> edgy: the point now is to get your kernel sound modules back to a sane state
[05:03] <edgy> so you want me to remove the whole /lib/modules/2.6.35-19-generic/?
[05:03] <crimsun_> edgy: yes, sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.35-19-generic/
[05:03] <crimsun_> edgy: then, sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.35-19-generic
[05:04] <elvirolo> has anyone had problems with starting gnome recentÃly ?
[05:04] <crimsun_> edgy: if you use proprietary drivers or anything that relies on DKMS, you'll need to trigger a reinstallation of those, too
[05:05] <edgy> crimsun_: thanks for the hint, I am reinstalling now ....
[05:09] <edgy> rebooting ...
[05:15] <edgy> crimsun_: thanks a lot man, at least now I have the sound devices and back to ground 0, now there is no sound, let me post the alsa-info
[05:16] <edgy> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=fcfc05bb4c531eeb26ab85703adc345d80465f62
[05:16] <edgy> crimsun_: some one suggested to use options snd-hda-intel model=targa-8ch-dig, do you agree ( Ijust want to go step by step now)
[05:17] <edgy> crimsun_: or shall I use the latest alsa-driver again?
[05:19] <crimsun_> edgy: don't add any model quirk just yet. Instead, just install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) and reboot again, please
[05:19] <crimsun_> edgy: I presume that you have the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa enabled
[05:21] <edgy> crimsun_: yes I have the ppa enabled, installing now ...
[05:39] <edgy> crimsun_: sorry i was late becasue I cannot reboot (kdm/gdm bug but that's another topic), now I am in. there is no sound devices again!
[05:40] <crimsun_> edgy: please pastebin `dmesg' output
[05:42] <edgy> crimsun_: I think you spot it, yes there are lines like snd: Unknown symbol unregister_sound_special (err 0)
[05:42] <edgy> [   17.774098] snd: Unknown symbol register_sound_special_device (err 0)
[05:43] <edgy> crimsun_: you want the while output?
[05:43] <edgy> edgy: or I grep for snd?
[05:45] <edgy> crimsun_: http://pastebin.ca/1932196
[05:45] <mikedep333> help. Ubuntu Software Center is stuck "applying changes" on a package I am trying to install.
[05:46] <crimsun_> edgy: ah, ok. Please deinstall linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r), and reboot. I'll push the fix for that error upstream.
[05:46] <mikedep333> it's been like that for over 30 minutes
[05:46] <crimsun_> edgy: after you reboot, we can continue troubleshooting
[05:46] <mikedep333> I wish there was a console portion of the window
[05:47] <edgy> crimsun_: ok rebooting now ...
[05:49] <lanoxx> dont do that ^^
[05:49] <mikedep333> anyone?
[05:50] <lanoxx> does anyone know why update-manager hates cups-pdf so much? It has been trying to remove it after every upgrade since intrepid!!!
[05:50] <lanoxx> and i needed to reinstall it everytime ever since
[05:51] <lanoxx> and everytime my apparmor profiles get reset and i have to patch it again, or cups-pdf wont work
[05:52] <mikedep333> hmm
[05:52] <mikedep333> I closed software center and it seemed to resolve on its own
[05:53] <crimsun_> lanoxx: aptitude why-not cups-pdf
[05:53] <crimsun_> ah, you already ran it
[05:53] <lanoxx> crimsun_, Unable to find a reason to remove cups-pdf.
[05:54] <lanoxx> crimsun_, its like update-manager does this for fun :(
[05:55] <edgy> crimsun_: I am back and devices are back. btw, when I logged in I heard a kde sound like a beep so there is a hope at least ;)
[05:56] <DanaG> Say, PA keeps defaulting to muting my USB sound card!  How do I get it not to do that?
[05:56] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[05:57] <edgy> crimsun_:  $ time aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Right.wav
[05:57] <edgy> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Right.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
[05:57] <edgy> real    0m0.175s
[05:57] <edgy> crimsun_: it's going very fast and no sound
[05:59] <crimsun_> lanoxx: well, cups-pdf was marked as Obsolete in update-manager 1:0.93.4 (intrepid)
[06:00] <crimsun_> DanaG: pa or alsactl?
[06:00] <lanoxx> crimsun_, hmm, can you define in which way cups-pdf is obsolete?
[06:01] <ElementalDragon> *sigh*
[06:03] <crimsun_> edgy: does speaker-test -c2 -l1 -Dplug:front  work?
[06:03] <ElementalDragon> installed 10.10.... getting the same problem as i did with Lucid.  Boot.... see the login... type the info.... login screen goes away.... and i'm left staring at the wallpaper and a cursor.  Tried acpi=off.... same thing, except when the login screen is up, i seem to have a sort of pseudo task bar along the bottom
[06:03] <edgy> crimsun_: YES
[06:04] <ElementalDragon> hate that i can install Ubuntu on my Eee and have absolutely zero issues.....
[06:04] <DanaG> I think it's muted in PA.
[06:04] <DanaG> What's weird is that that card rejects anything but 7.1.  It can't do stereo or 5.1.
[06:05] <DanaG> Same is true of Windows in-the-box USB-audio driver -- and in fact, that driver gives no audible sound!
[06:06] <edgy> crimsun_: so?
[06:08] <crimsun_> edgy: what about speaker-test -c2 -l1 -Dplug:front -twav   ?
[06:08] <edgy> crimsun_: I already tried that and it works too
[06:08] <DanaG> Oddly enough, using surround51:CARD=Audio without PA works.
[06:08] <crimsun_> edgy: did you modify any files in /etc/pulse or ~/.pulse ?
[06:09] <DanaG> It renames "USB Audio" sound card to just "Audio".
[06:09] <edgy> crimsun_: not in /etc/pulse but may be I removed ~/.pulse
[06:10] <edgy> crimsun_: however .pulse dir is now there anyway (recreated)
[06:12] <crimsun_> edgy: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[06:13] <DanaG> Here's a CM106 card: http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-USB-SND8-8-Channel-External-Surround/dp/B001D1PWGM/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1283577172&sr=8-22
[06:13] <crimsun_> I need to finish some errands, will be back in a few
[06:16] <DanaG> ah, this cm106 seems to be buggy hardware.
[06:16] <edgy> crimsun_: It's saying "Do what you need to reproduce the bug", you want me to do what?
[06:19] <edgy> crimsun_: now the sound works! is it because of autospawn = no or just randomly, I don't know, waiting for you ...
[06:22] <ElementalDragon> sooo..... anyone have any idea how to fix the little issue i seem to be having?
[06:23] <DanaG> http://www.datasheetpro.com/664301_download_CM106_datasheet.html
[06:24] <DanaG> spiffy... datasheet for cm106.
[06:36] <ElementalDragon> wow.... utterly freakin useless support in the other channel....
[06:42] <ElementalDragon> .... anyone around?
[06:42] <IdleOne> ElementalDragon: the amount of support provide for ubuntu+1 in #ubuntu is == nil. Because #ubuntu does not support the alpha/beta/not working properly/ever changing/can be broken in a minute version.
[06:43] <IdleOne> the amount of support given in this channel is firectly proportional to how willing you are to work with a broken/...see my examples above beta, not released yet version.
[06:43] <IdleOne> directly*
[06:44] <ElementalDragon> i understand the idea of not helping with an issue in a beta.... but when one had the exact same issue in the non-beta 10.04 version of Ubuntu, and getting absolutely nothing but a "This channel isn't for 10.10 support.... go to #ubuntu+1"........
[06:44] <bazhang> and ?
[06:44] <SwedeMike> ElementalDragon: nobody is paid to support anything in here. adjust your expectations accordingly.
[06:44] <IdleOne> bazhang: hold a sec
[06:44] <psion> ElementalDragon: were you able to install 10.10 on your eee?
[06:45] <ElementalDragon> i hadn't tried it yet.... but i didn't have a single issue with 10.04 on my Eee.... so i can't imagine i wouldn't be able to
[06:46] <psion> I'm trying to boot off of the usb and I'm not able to on my eeepc 1001p (one of the n450 ones)
[06:46] <psion> fair amount of people complaining about it in the forums too
[06:46] <IdleOne> ElementalDragon: did you or didn't you install 10.10?
[06:46] <ElementalDragon> bazhang:  not to sound like a prick.... but treating an identical issue in 10.04 and 10.10 as if they're two different issues in two different OS's is like saying Windows Vista Home Premium and Windows Vista Ultimate are completely different OS's.
[06:46] <ElementalDragon> i installed 10.10 on my desktop.... which i'm on now, running Win7
[06:47] <bazhang> ElementalDragon, they are far from identical. just lets move on please
[06:47] <IdleOne> ElementalDragon: same symptoms does not mean initial cause of symptoms. in a beta version what worked an hour ago can be broken right now.
[06:47] <IdleOne> the same initial cause*
[06:48] <IdleOne> so what is the issue anyway?
[06:48] <IdleOne> :)
[06:48] <voidmage> yep
[06:48] <voidmage> upgraded my desktop a few hours ago
[06:48] <voidmage> now packages are broken again
[06:49] <voidmage> so can't upgrade my laptop
[06:49] <psion> IdleOne: looks like when he logs in, gnome doesn't initiallize, just wallpaper and non working task bar
[06:49] <bazhang> I'd like to see a paste of his sources.list
[06:49] <ElementalDragon> you'll probably see my point for this one.  Installed, got to the login screen.  typed my information, pressed enter... login screen goes away, and i'm left with a wallpaper and the mouse cursor.... not even any HDD activity to indicate that something is even trying to load
[06:50] <ElementalDragon> tried acpi=off.... same thing, except during login, i seem to get a pseudo task bar at the bottom, which also disappears when i try to login
[06:50] <psion> I don't really know the answer, but I'd try installing another WM and see if it works
[06:51] <ElementalDragon> back when i tried to get support for it when running 10.04... someone said it may have something to do with a Dual-GPU setup.... which i'm running a GTX 295, and can't really pull a GPU out...
[06:51] <bazhang> please pastebin sources.list
[06:51] <ElementalDragon> bazhang:  from where?
[06:51] <IdleOne> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:52] <IdleOne> after you get the wallpaper without panel, ctrl-alt-F1
[06:52] <IdleOne> does that give you a TTY?
[06:53] <IdleOne> ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to GUI (which in your case does not seem to work)
[06:53] <ElementalDragon> lemme go try it
[06:53] <ElementalDragon> back in a bit
[06:57] <ElementalDragon> nope.... nothing
[06:58] <IdleOne> nope nothing what?
[06:58] <ElementalDragon> pressing Ctrl+alt+f1 does zilch
[06:58] <IdleOne> ok
[06:58] <IdleOne> !nox
[06:58] <ElementalDragon> and i just notice the "pseudo task bar" i get is only for changing languages and keyboard style and such....
[06:58] <IdleOne> follow those instructions it will boot to text only mode
[06:58] <ElementalDragon> so probably nothing big there
[06:59] <IdleOne> once booted you will login in and then sudo apt-get install pastebinit, then pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list and give us the URL it tells you.
[07:00] <vlcn> anyone else played with UNE yet?
[07:00] <vlcn> I'm finding it unusably slow
[07:18] <ElementalDragon> Ok... so just to double check.... for text mode, all i have to do is add "text" to the end of the command line for the boot options?
[07:18] <IdleOne> yes
[07:18] <bazhang> !nox
[07:18] <ElementalDragon> yea.... all that gives me is no video signal....
[07:19] <ElementalDragon> i honestly wouldn't doubt if it has something to do with my motherboard..... this thing's always been a pain in the arse for just about everything
[07:19] <bazhang> ElementalDragon, foxconn?
[07:19] <ElementalDragon> no.... probably worse.  Abit
[07:20] <bazhang> ElementalDragon, you were daemonxp right?
[07:20] <ElementalDragon> ...... no
[07:20] <bazhang> at any rate we need the sources.list
[07:21] <IdleOne> ok 10.04 works perfectly you said
[07:21] <IdleOne> why not just stick with it
[07:21] <ElementalDragon> .... on my Eee
[07:21] <ElementalDragon> my desktop created the same exact issue in 10.04 as it is now with 10.10
[07:22] <ElementalDragon> oh.... and something i discovered in my last reboot.... if i press Ctrl+alt+f1 while the login window is still on the screen, my cursor disappears, but i get no text box
[07:22] <IdleOne> and this is when running the live cd or installed?
[07:22] <ElementalDragon> installed
[07:23] <IdleOne> how does the live cd run?
[07:23] <bazhang> he said it was the alternate
[07:23] <IdleOne> ok but how does the live cd run?
[07:23] <ElementalDragon> haven't tried it for 10.10... but i believe i tried it for 10.04... which i wound up downloading the alternate disc for anyway.... which means it probably had the same issue
[07:23] <IdleOne> ugh guessing
[07:24] <IdleOne> can't help.
[07:24] <bazhang> so no way to troubleshoot
[07:25] <ElementalDragon> ..... so now i went from bazhang telling me to download and install 10.04... to you hinting me to download the liveCD and see if that works?
[07:25] <bazhang> pastebin the sources.list and we can move forward
[07:25] <bazhang> ElementalDragon, and you got the beta instead, if I am not mistaken
[07:26] <IdleOne> ElementalDragon: actually you went from having us not sure of what you are running to guessing how things will be broken.
[07:26] <IdleOne> then jumping from 10.04 on the eee works but on your desktop it doesn't
[07:26] <IdleOne> so you downloaded the alternate cd and that doesn't work
[07:27] <IdleOne> but have you actually downloaded and burned 10.10?
[07:28] <ElementalDragon> downloaded the 10.10 alternate disc, and installed it on my desktop that i'm on now (hence the restarting).
[07:28] <bazhang> ElementalDragon, please pastebin the sources.list of your current install of the beta.
[07:28] <ElementalDragon> currently downloading both the Desktop CD for 10.10 to try liveCD on my desktop, and the i386 alternate to try installing on my Eee
[07:28]  * ElementalDragon sighs
[07:28] <bazhang> ?
[07:29] <ElementalDragon> how am i supposed to give you information from an OS when i can't access said OS?
[07:29] <bazhang> boot in recovery mode
[07:30] <ElementalDragon> i tried that too.... i see it loading all the different components.... and then i get no video signal
[07:30] <bazhang> that's not recovery mode
[07:30] <vlcn> man, I am having all kinds of issues with these 10.10 downloads
[07:30] <vlcn> checksums don't match up
[07:31] <bazhang> corrupt iso then
[07:31] <bazhang> the torrents fix that for me
[07:31] <ElementalDragon> not only that, they're usually faster to download
[07:31] <ElementalDragon> 1.5MB/s ftw
[07:32] <vlcn> has anyone played around with une 10.10 yet?
[07:32] <vlcn> its like unusably slow on my netbook
[07:34] <voidmage> this totem auto resizing to double if your monitor is big enough
[07:34] <voidmage> is really annoying
[07:34] <voidmage> and supposedly an upstream feature
[07:37] <bp0> how safe is update to beta?
[07:38] <SwedeMike> bp0: depends on your hardware and what you use, it's from "perfectly safe" to "disaster"
[07:38] <bp0> hrm
[07:39] <bp0> is there a way to test what packages will break after the update?
[07:39] <bp0> without updating
[07:40] <bp0> PPAs for instance
[07:40] <bazhang> no
[07:40] <SwedeMike> no.
[07:40] <ElementalDragon> the even more odd thing about when i try booting into Ubuntu.... i don't see a loading screen.... but i usually see a brief flash of an artifact-y version of my Windows desktop
[07:40] <bazhang> all PPA are disabled
[07:40] <bazhang> sounds like a wubi install
[07:40] <SwedeMike> bp0: install on another media and try what you need there, if it works, it works.
[07:41] <ElementalDragon> well.... it wasn't
[07:41] <ElementalDragon> lol
[07:41] <bazhang> not much is clear about your issue then
[07:41] <bazhang> sounds like a complely failed install, to be honest
[07:42] <bp0> is there a site like this for maverick? http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/
[07:46] <bp0> ...
[07:47] <bp0> evolution is removed?
[07:48] <ElementalDragon> something else i just thought of which probably doesn't matter, either......
[07:48] <ElementalDragon> pretty sure burning to a DVD instead of a CD isn't an issue
[07:49] <voidmage> bp0: updating lucid to beta is broken ATM
[07:49] <bp0> voidmage, really?
[07:49] <bp0> thanks for the warning, just in time
[07:51] <mawst> I updated from Lucid not more than a couple hours ago.
[07:55] <SwedeMike> I'm curious if there is intel GM4500HD acceleration for h.264 with vlc/mplayer in 10.10, anyone know?
[07:59] <voidmage> bp0: update manager won't let you update anyway
[07:59] <voidmage> it'll be like "packages are broken"
[08:02] <ElementalDragon> tried the LiveCD..... pretty much the same deal.... see the wallpaper, i see what appears to be a volume and power button on a bar in the top left corner, the cursor, and nothing else.  can't click either of the two buttons.... Ctrl+Alt+F1 still does nothing
[08:03] <ElementalDragon> .... and again, i also see a flash of an artifact-y version of my Windows desktop
[08:03] <ElementalDragon> i'm seriously thinking it's more my mobo and less the install
[08:08] <Sary> voidmage, see bug 111971
[08:09] <Sary> nah , Excuse me
[08:09] <Sary> voidmage, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+question/111971
[08:13] <voidmage> nope, don't have cdrom as a source
[08:17] <Sary> voidmage, try . Navigate to System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager | . Navigate to System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager | From the list box up top select "Broken | Mark the broken packages for deletion | Apply
[08:18] <Sary> I am sure you did try , sudo dpkg --configure -a | sudo apt-get install -f
[08:20] <voidmage> no broken packages
[08:20] <voidmage> already did dpkg --configure -a && apt-get install -f
[08:20] <voidmage> if i check for broken packages before closing the "packages are broken" box in update-manger
[08:20] <voidmage> the broken package is libdrm-nouveau
[08:20] <voidmage> and it tries to remove ~100 packages
[08:23] <Sary> odd !
[08:23] <Sary> see http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/UbuntuPackages
[08:25] <Sary> voidmage, see bug 572457
[08:27] <voidmage> i'll just wait it out a few days in case it's stuck in partial upgrade territory
[08:29] <ElementalDragon> yep.... DEFINITELY linking my issues to my sh*tty motherboard
[08:29] <ElementalDragon> just finished installing 10.10 x86 on my Eee.... booted perfectly fine
[08:29] <bazhang> ElementalDragon, watch the language please
[08:31] <ElementalDragon> think when i actually have the money to do so.... saying goodbye to this Abit IP35-Pro and Core 2 Quad and getting a Core i5/i7, some DDR3, and a motherboard by any manufacturer that starts with "A" and ends in "sus"
[08:31] <Madpilot> ElementalDragon, have you done a search for "<name of motherboard> + Ubuntu 10.04" on Google?
[08:31] <ElementalDragon> or "E" and "VGA"
[08:34] <JoshuaL> the update manager asks if it should do a partitial ugprade, is this a good idea to do or should i ignore it and wait a day before updating?
[08:34] <ElementalDragon> well... did find a few things to try.... but i'm not gonna bother with that right now.  should get some sleep seeing as it's now 3:30AM
[08:35] <ElementalDragon> one of which being moving the hard drives to the higher port/channel numbers.... the other being setting the drives to run in IDE mode on the SATA channels
[08:35] <ElementalDragon> but then again.... these posts were made in mid-2008.... so who knows if the reasons for such issues haven't already been long since fixed
[08:40] <vish> is there a way to get notified when someone has ssh'd into the system?
[08:40] <vish> hmm , maybe not a +1 specific Q..
[08:41] <nigelb> vish: I think yes
[08:42] <vish> nigelb: cool! , how? :)
[08:42] <nigelb> vish: hold on, lemme checkout, you'll hve to write some code
[08:43]  * vish on the end edge of seat... and hangs tight!
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> Hello all. Tryinng to make a bootable usb stik under 10.04 from a 10.10 ISO using the Usb-disk-creator tool. and i get a 'unknown command in syslinux config' (or similer) statement. ANyone noticed this befor? (looking at the config file now)
[08:44] <kaini> If I intstall 10.10 now, will I have to reinstall/dist-upgrade when a new beta/rc/release launches?
[08:44] <vish> kaini: yup
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> reinstall or upgrade... that covers all bases.. :)
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> !bugs
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> *weeps* still dosent like my nvidia chipset based laptop. BOoted up. made sounds.. screen is funny white/black blocks.
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> Got it installed. Wee. Now getting floods of 'Unable to enumerate USB device XXXXXXXXX' on the consoles.  every console.  even inside screen.  and ive got no external usb devicves plugged into the laptop. ;)
[10:02] <jfi> Dr_Willis, you don't have a mouse or an external keyboard?
[10:03] <jfi> Dr_Willis, you can use lsusb to know what are your usb devices
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> jfi:  i unplugged them when i saw the messages. and booted without them. I was able to blindly login to the console and install ssh service. so i got ssh'd in and can at least run commands now without seeing the spam.
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> lets see what it says
[10:04] <Sary> Appearance Preferences | Visual Effects .. chose option Normal: X Crash i get Desktop effects could not be enabled
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> Ok wait a moment.. the spamming stopped
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> I was doing a update/upgrade dist-upgrade over ssh. and it must of restarted some servcices.
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> that was weird.. installing some more packages. then will reboot the laptop
[10:06] <Sary> NVIDIA accelerated graphic drive ( version current )
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> I cant even get to the desktoip yet on my nvidia system. :) had to ssh in and run  jockey-gtk
[10:07] <Sary> Wow
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> screen was total black/white blocks :) unuseable. I was able to install becuase i used some failsafe mode on the cd.  same issue with the install. so Luckly i was able to ssh in and get the drivers installed. (well installing)
[10:09] <Sary> I cant set the Desktop Visual Effects with  NVIDIA accelerated graphic drive ( version current ) 256.53-ubuntu1
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> I will try in about 3 min.. :)
[10:11] <Sary> Nice
[10:11] <Sary> Welcome o the beta Circle :)
[10:11] <Sary> *to
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> been doing this for the last 5+ releases.. :)
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> Plymouyth and those Neovu (sp?) drivers are the MAJOR problem i have
[10:11] <Sary> Yey , Respect :)
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> System booted.. got to the desktop.. wee.. what UGLY wallpaper
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> when did 'color smears' become  the standard :)
[10:12] <Sary> Well , there is more than the wall :)
[10:12] <Sary> How is the new installer to your eyes
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> visual effects are working here
[10:13] <Sary> Great , lucky you
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> Nice how the installer worked. it even detected i was in Indiana,  noce it updated stuff.. but i STILL had updates after i rebooted the first time
[10:13] <Sary> What am i missing
[10:13] <Sary> Yeah , pretty huh
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> 256.53 is my driver version here
[10:14] <Sary> Mine as well
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> using a .. lets see... GTS 360M video
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> I got a NICE laptop. :)
[10:15] <Sary> Fair Enough :)
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> To be honest.. i had similer issues with my old laptop and its nvidia card.. and my desktop with ITS nvidia card.
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> but no issues like you are having
[10:18] <Sary> Well i am having this issue on my Dell , on the Macbook pro its just fine
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> crashes when enableing compiz..
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> or what happens exactly?
[10:20] <Sary> Oh wait , on Dell when i go to NVIDIA X server Setting i got the message | You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[10:20] <Sary> Nah , i didn't even installed compiz yet
[10:21] <Sary> just wanted to enable the normal option in Visual effects
[10:22] <Sary> it was fine with Lucid though , even when using compiz
[10:22] <Sary> I don't know , should i fail a bug about it ..
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> Im confused... how are you going to get the effects.. without compuiz? and using compiz will require either the nvidia drivers.. or a supported 3d chipset that neovu supports.
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> did i say that right>
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> compiz requires the nvidia drivers. :) you wont get effects till you install them.
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> (at least thats on my nvidia machines)
[10:24] <Sary> Wait , i was trying to enable the normal option for the Awn theme .. i didn't have to on Lucid
[10:25] <Sary> well , lemme try out how it goes with compiz
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> Awn effects require compiz also...
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> or a compositing window manager.
[10:27] <Sary> Nah , require nothing as i remember
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> You may want to double check that.
[10:28] <Dr_Willis> Most of the docks required it.  at least for the effects to look properly
[10:30] <jfi> You can enable compositing with metacity without having a accelerated graphics driver
[10:30] <jfi> gconftool-2 -s  '/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager' --type bool true
[10:30] <Sary> Okay , compiz is working just fine
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> ive never really under stood how compositing figured into the whole picture
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> I do recall seeing an artical where even good old 'twm' is getting compositing support.
[10:34] <Sary> Well , for Awn to look properly .. i just had to active the nvidia drive on 'Lucid
[10:34] <Sary> and nothing else
[10:35] <Sary> now on Maverick, i cant enable the normal option for the Visual effects
[10:35] <Sary> Odd huh !
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> the other 'extras' option works? just not the normal option?
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> You did setup the nvidia drivers on maverick?
[10:38] <Sary> Non of the options , just none
[10:38] <Sary> Yep , the drive is active
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> If the driver is working (run nvidia-settings and see?) you should be able to select the other options
[10:40] <Sary> there is the NVIDIA X Server Setting ..
[10:43] <Sary> i get " You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[10:47] <Sary> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488220/
[10:50] <Sary> brb
[10:57] <Sary> Back
[10:57] <Sary> A problem in libdconf0
[11:02] <Sary> !hammertime
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> about food time
[11:03] <Sary> Not for me , i am fasting :)
[11:04] <Sary> !botsnack
[11:21] <yofel> meh, I wonder what's up with hplip lately, I start a print job, and my network printer starts printing 5 minutes later -.-
[11:23] <fi3ei2> is there anybody could create a usb of ubuntu 10.10 beta
[11:23] <fi3ei2> ?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> yofel: Hold on.. what KIND of printer is it? a Brother?
[11:33] <yofel> HP officejet 7300
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> I had a simile rissue with a networked brother printer. switching to the PCL5 'generic' driver made it start working right.
[11:33] <yofel> usually works fine, but lately printing jobs get  a lag for some reason
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> I would have 10-40 min delay...
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> dont sound like your issue however..
[11:39] <Sary> Okay , NVIDIA Setting is there now .. what options could i set
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> options for what? If you got the nvidia drivers going.. you shold be able to enable effects
[11:42] <Sary> It is active . sill can't enable the visual effects
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> open terminal try 'compiz --replace'
[11:42] <Sary> Alright.
[11:43] <Sary> That did it ,
[11:43] <Sary> Dr_Willis, Perfect :)
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> no idea why the gnome check box to enable them dident work
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> now install ccsm and start tweaking your  eyecandy
[11:44] <Sary> Yeah ,
[11:44] <Sary> Sure
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> only real feature i like is the ZOOM,
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> also you may want to ebable the 'sync to vblank' or whatever its called. to reduce movie playback tearing
[11:45] <Sary> Cool .. IT's on  , for the XVideo
[11:48] <Sary> lol :D
[11:51] <Sary> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[11:52] <zniavre_> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2302956
[11:52] <zniavre_> oops sorry
[11:52] <Sary> np
[11:53] <Sary> http://wiki.compiz.org/CommonKeyboardShortcuts
[12:30] <test_> hey ho,, can someone tell me how to install grub (missed it in the alternate installation). I got wifi on another laptop and a USB stck as my tools :)
[12:30] <Volkodav> !grub2
[12:34] <test_> Volkodav: link seems to be down :/
[12:35] <yofel> link works fine here
[12:35] <Volkodav> works here too
[12:39] <test_> now it works here too thx a lot :)
[12:42] <AlanBell> those testing maverick (or taking screenshots) who have access to the new font might like to set it as their default desktop font as per comments in bug 629622
[13:06] <penguin42> oh deal, the upgrade from last weeks alpha->current beta has left me at a busybox prompt
[13:07] <penguin42> oh well, time to go out and have a wonder around and fight this when I come back
[13:58] <mbwins> hi! it seems that after I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 i lost KMail. It shows as Not Installed in the Software center. Any idea if I can get my old mails back?
[14:01] <mbwins> is there any way to roll back to 10.04?
[14:01] <nigelb> kubuntu?
[14:01] <mbwins> Ubuntu
[14:01] <nigelb> that does seem to be a nasty bug in upgrade anyway
[14:02] <mbwins> yup
[14:02] <mbwins> it was all work related so I was hoping they're still saved someplace
[14:02] <mbwins> lol :)
[14:03] <mbwins> i checked www.ubuntu.com today and I said to myself: "wow, a new version"
[14:04] <nigelb> ideally, you should be backing up before upgrading
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Trying the upgrade now. :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> your mails are proberly saved somewhere.. :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> the upgrade wouldent have any reason to touch stuff in your HOME
[14:04] <nigelb> mbwins: check in  .kde/share/apps/kmail/
[14:04] <mbwins> well, i was using Kmail, and now Kmail is no longer installed
[14:04] <mbwins> k, hold on
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> !info kmail
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install kmail
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> and see if it installs
[14:05] <yofel> mbwins: install it again, we had KDE updates, so a dependency conflict during the upgrade might have removed it
[14:05] <BUGabundo> Dr_Willis: go with aptitude
[14:05] <mbwins> k
[14:05] <BUGabundo> I keep telling you guys that
[14:05] <mbwins> will do
[14:06] <BUGabundo> aptitude tends to manage broken depency way better
[14:06] <nigelb> right
[14:06] <BUGabundo> and kde is broken at the moment
[14:06] <nigelb> I found firefox uninstalled when I used aptitude thanks to dependency resolution
[14:06] <BUGabundo> I take that back
[14:06] <BUGabundo> it no longer is
[14:06] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:06] <BUGabundo>   libbrasero-media0: Depends: brasero-common (< 2.31) but 2.31.91-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[14:06] <nigelb> an redep of firefox needed to be downgraded
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> Ive had TO many issues with apitude..
[14:07] <BUGabundo> Dr_Willis: name ONE ? :P
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> Had aptitude once remove 300+ packages.. then reinstalled them..
[14:07] <nigelb> lo
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> thats 300 :)
[14:07] <nigelb> one thing about aptitide => want package $foo installed, it will get it for you
[14:07] <nigelb> but it may have side effects which end being too nasty
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> I will stick with apt-get and gdebi for my needs. for now. :)
[14:08] <yofel> well, apt-get doesn't mess up that much anymore and since aptitude isn't in the default desktop installation anymore recommending apt-get is fine IMO
[14:08] <nigelb> apt just says because $bar and $baz conflicting, $foo cannot be installed leaving you with a sane system at least
[14:08] <BUGabundo> aptitude is _great_ *when* you know what you are doing :P
[14:08] <mfraz74> is gdebi still supported in 10.10?
[14:08] <nigelb> I think sc will take over
[14:08] <BUGabundo> yofel: TIRANY !!
[14:08] <yofel> :P
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> mfraz74:  its not installed by default it seems. but it is still there
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> mfraz74:  software center defaults to .deb 'handler' now.
[14:09] <mfraz74> Dr_Willis: I had heard it was taken over by software centre, but wondered if you could still use gdebi if you wanted to
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> mfraz74:  i used it just 10 min ago to install ubuntu-tweak :)
[14:10] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:10] <BUGabundo>   libakonadi-kcal4: Depends: libkcal4 (= 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[14:10] <mfraz74> ok
[14:10] <BUGabundo> guess kde is still broken
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> hence the term beta testing. :)
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> heh 3 hrs 9 min to upgrade...
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> be back later ya all.
[14:19] <Emery> how would i update to 10.10 from previous stable version ?
[14:20] <bazhang> Emery, 10.10 is just in beta, so hardly stable; is this desktop or server
[14:21] <Emery> i didnt say it was stable
[14:21] <Emery> i just want to update to 10.10 beta
[14:21] <Emery> from CLI if possible
[14:21] <bazhang> update-manager -d
[14:21] <Emery> that will work in cli?
[14:22] <yofel> do-release-upgrade -d for cli
[14:22] <bazhang> thought it was desktop
[14:22] <Emery> ty
[14:22] <SwedeMike> Emery: this is the first hit on the google search <how to upgrade ubuntu 10.10 from 10.04> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html
[14:23] <Emery> and ?
[14:23] <SwedeMike> it has the information you were looking for.
[14:24] <Emery> so does this channel
[14:24] <bazhang> thanks SwedeMike !
[14:24] <SwedeMike> wow.
[14:24] <bazhang> nice link
[14:24] <SwedeMike> talk about wanting handouts instead of a fishing rod.
[14:24] <Emery> talk about #care
[14:25] <bazhang> Emery, hmm?
[14:25] <Emery> sarcasm.
[14:25] <bazhang> Emery, people are volunteers.
[14:26] <SwedeMike> bazhang: I don't think he cares.
[14:26] <bazhang> lets move on then
[14:27] <edgy> crimsun_: hi
[14:35] <edgy> crimsun_: the sound is now working but i am afraid i don't know which trick you mentioned fixed it. can you please explain?
[14:54] <killer999> Is it possible to rearrange messaging menu itmes by drag and drop....say i use gwibber more than evolution...can i move it to top?
[14:55] <kandinski> hi, how stable is 10.10, can i risk installing it on my work computer?
[14:55] <bazhang> kandinski, depends how important your data is; its still beta
[14:55] <bazhang> kandinski, got a separate home partition?
[14:55] <kandinski> I get that, but from trying it, what's your feeling?
[14:56] <kandinski> yep, /home lives in its own partition
[14:56] <bazhang> then not much to lose, but lots of breakage likely between now and the release
[14:56] <thiebaude> kandinski, i have no problems myself with it
[14:56] <kandinski> still, if a rogue program is going to overwrite stuff, /home is mounted and writeable...
[14:56] <thiebaude> im using it as my only desktop right now
[14:56] <bazhang> thats doubtful
[14:56] <kandinski> thiebaude: thanks, I think I will risk it
[14:56] <thiebaude> yw
[14:57] <thiebaude> but remember things can break,:(
[14:57] <thiebaude> i was only able to do partial updates, but i did not have any other problems
[14:57] <kandinski> thiebaude: I will and i wikk keep a livedisc of 10.04 handy
[14:57] <zniavre_> good afternoon there is a channel with ubuntu xserver devs no ? wich name please ?
[14:57] <thiebaude> yep, good idea
[14:58] <thiebaude> kandinski,
[14:58] <thiebaude> imho flash player seems to be better in 10.10
[14:58] <zniavre_> do you think they are working on nvidia 173.14.2x drivers usable with xserver1.9 ?
[14:59] <thiebaude> not usre i have nvidia card myself
[14:59] <thiebaude> use
[14:59] <thiebaude> sure
[14:59] <thiebaude> 8400 gs
[14:59] <anon33> I installed gnome shell in the maverick beta and now I can't even boot up or access console
[15:00] <anon33> Any help would be greatly appreciated
[15:01] <zniavre_> can't you open a tty at gdm step
[15:01] <zniavre_> ?
[15:01] <anon33> gdm step?
[15:01] <zniavre_> the place where you log before the desktop
[15:02] <anon33> I can't get past the grub boot loader
[15:02] <zniavre_> ho i do not know sorry
[15:02] <anon33> Ugh.....
[15:02] <vish> zniavre_: #ubuntu-x
[15:03] <zniavre_> vish,  thank you
[15:03] <vish> np...
[15:03] <anon33> Can anyone help me out?
[15:05] <vish> anon33: installing gnome-shell , shouldnt prevent you from booting, afaik... what else did you install
[15:05] <vish> ?
[15:05] <anon33> Everything that comes with it. I did "gnome-shell --replace"and then things went bonkers
[15:06] <anon33> Did a hard reboot and now it just waits while booting, doing nothing but blinking the cursor
[15:07] <vish> anon33: do you get grub options?
[15:07] <anon33> Like for recovery mode?
[15:07] <vish> yup..
[15:08] <anon33> Yes, but recovery mode doesn't go anywhere
[15:08] <anon33> I'm booting off the live disk note. Will I be able to remove gnome-shell from there?
[15:08] <anon33> Now*
[15:09] <vish> anon33: k.. not sure then , maybe someone else has an idea.. or you can try asking in #gnome-shell on irc: GIMPnet
[15:10] <anon33> Wow, even booting off the live disk doesn't work
[15:51] <sergeant_> does virtualbox work in ubuntu 10.10?
[15:51] <Emery> ok, ill ask in here bazhang
[15:52] <Emery> is it a common problem ?
[15:52] <sergeant_> are yo talking to me Emery ?
[15:52] <Emery> no
[15:52] <bazhang> sergeant_, tried it yet?
[15:52] <sergeant_> yeah
[15:52] <sergeant_> the start button is grayed out
[15:53] <bazhang> sergeant_, from the repos or the website
[15:53] <sergeant_> website
[15:53] <sergeant_> not OSE
[15:53] <bazhang> sergeant_, not sure then. if you don't get an answer here , there is also #vbox though
[15:53] <sergeant_> tried that
[15:54] <Emery> bazhang can i still boot from busybox ?
[16:25] <Sary> sergeant_,
[16:26] <sergeant_> Sary, what?
[16:26] <Sary> virtualbox working fine here
[16:26] <sergeant_> yeah i think i got that working
[16:26] <sergeant_> but not phpvirtualbox
[16:26] <Sary> OSE , didn't tried Sun Yet
[16:33] <the_dark_warrio> When setting an account with Empathy, it asks for a keyring password a lot. Is this a known bug?
[16:35] <duffydack> happens to me..  so its a bug
[16:39] <quidnunc> My flash plugin stopped working after installng maverick. What do I need to do?
[16:44] <quidnunc> !flash
[17:05] <dadush777> Hello, I Upgraded my Ubuntu 10.04 LTS to 10.10 via Update Manager successfuly. Now whenver I close the RhythmBox window, it QUITS and not showing in the upper panel and I can't see the new added SoundMenu... what can I do?
[17:07] <dadush777> anyone knows why?
[17:09] <quidnunc> dadush777: Maybe you need to install rhythmbox-plugins and enable that plugin
[17:09] <dadush777> where can I get that?
[17:09] <dadush777> and why can't i see the new SoundMenu ?
[17:09] <quidnunc> dadush777: The package is called rhythmbox-plugins
[17:10] <quidnunc> dadush777: Sorry, I'm not familiar with SoundMenu. What is that?
[17:10] <Lunar_Lamp> cycle
[17:10] <Lunar_Lamp> cycle
[17:10] <dadush777> the option they added to control music
[17:10] <dadush777> in Ubuntu 10.10
[17:11] <dadush777> and I checked and rhythmbox-plugins is installed in my ubuntu
[17:11] <dadush777> I don't know why when I close the window, it shuts down
[17:14] <dadush777> I saw that they added a Sound Menu in  Ubuntu which you can control your music
[17:16] <TeaRex> Hello all! I wonder did anybody have any luck with gcc-4.5 and the new -flto -fuse-linker-plugin options in Maverick?
[17:19] <TeaRex> cause all *I* get with it are compiler segfaults.
[17:20] <TeaRex> at link time, I mean, compiling as such works.
[17:38] <amabo> what's the method for turning on anti-aliasing for fonts in maverick? is this still the preferred method? http://j.mp/17TwKb
[17:40] <kklimonda> amabo: have you checked system->preferences->appearance->fonts?
[17:52] <penguin42> hmm I wonder if the upgrade failed somehow - my error is 'udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured' and that's dumped me at initramfs busybox prompt
[17:52] <vish> did we drop the plan to use Banshee in UNE?
[17:53] <amabo> kklimonda: yes
[17:55] <psion> is anyone else here using 10.10 netbook edition?
[17:56] <sergeant_> i want to
[17:56] <sergeant_> i use the desktop version
[17:56] <psion> I'm trying out the netbook edition and maybe it's just me, but the interface seems very buggy and slow
[17:57] <psion> the new application interface on the left side, when I switch to a new app it hangs for maybe 10-20 seconds
[17:57] <kklimonda> psion: its speed depends heavily on your gpu and drivers you use
[17:57] <psion> kklimonda: I never had this issue previously
[17:57] <vish> psion: yup , its still in development , hence its called beta ;)
[17:57] <kklimonda> psion: well, then it's just buggy
[17:58] <psion> vish: figured as much
[17:58] <psion> was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this or if it's isolated to me
[17:59] <vish> psion: Bug #604777 might be the one you mention , but filing a bug is the best way to get things moving ..
[17:59] <psion> ah yeah that's probably it
[18:01] <psion> is there anyway to switch an installation from netbook edition to desktop?
[18:02] <kklimonda> psion: when you login you can choose your session at the bottom of the screen
[18:02] <penguin42> hmm it looks like my initramfs is rather broken
[18:03] <penguin42> /sbin/udevadm contains  a test for udevtrigger and udevsettle to moan that they cna't run while udev is unconfigured and then exec's undevadm.upgrade with /bin/bash which ism' in the initramfs
[18:03] <psion> kklimonda: gotcha, I just had it auto login
[18:08] <Daekdroom> Anyone having problem with X suddenly refusing mouse clicks?
[18:14] <psion> lol, well, I updated everything and now all I see is the background alternating with an all white screen ever second or so
[18:14] <psion> it's rather seizure inducing
[18:14] <ElVirolo> has anyone had problems starting gnome recently?
[18:14] <ElVirolo> I don't know what log file to look at
[18:15] <penguin42> right, fixed in a chroot with a dpkg --configure -a (didn't seem to do anything) then update-initramfs -u -k all
[18:15] <penguin42> ElVirolo: Does it just log you back out or what?
[18:16] <ElVirolo> penguin42 : yeah, the screen becomes black and then I'm back to GDM, whatever the session I choose. Moreover, the graphics seem quite slow
[18:16] <penguin42> ElVirolo: OK, lets worry about broken before slow
[18:17] <ElVirolo> penguin42, yeah you're right it's just that the slowness came at the same time as the brokeness :)
[18:18] <penguin42> ElVirolo: Flip to a text console with ctrl-alt-f1 and see if you can log in as yourself, if you can then ~/.xsession-errors may give a clue to whats broken (but it always has a load of junk in anyway), maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old as well - it will have the X server logs from the session when you logged in just before it restarted gdm
[18:18] <ElVirolo> penguin42 : I can login as myself (I'm actually using iirci on tty right now
[18:18] <ElVirolo> i'll have a look at the logs
[18:19] <ElVirolo> aaaah
[18:19] <ElVirolo> i think I know
[18:19] <ElVirolo> i think i don't have any space left on the hard drive
[18:20] <ElVirolo> looks like it
[18:20] <penguin42> ah, that one!
[18:20] <penguin42> you know, it should actually tell you that and give you a way out
[18:20] <ElVirolo> yeah, it's always the most obvious cause that one doesn't think about
[18:20] <ElVirolo> well i just did apt-get clean
[18:21] <ElVirolo> tadaaa
[18:21] <ElVirolo> it works
[18:21] <ElVirolo> thanks for your help :)
[18:21] <penguin42> np
[18:28] <kklimonda> hmmm.. my gnome-terminal doesn't notice that it looses focus i.e. cursor is still blinking. Anyone has seen a bug report about it?
[18:28] <penguin42> kklimonda: Mine does, but I have sloppy focus, so it doesn't actually lose it unless i move over something else
[18:29] <crimsun_> focus follows mouse (strict) FTW
[18:30] <kklimonda> crimsun_: if only I've actually used mouse before I switch virtual desktops, notice that terminal "has" focus and start typing :)
[18:31] <crimsun_> I tend to tile all terminal emulators
[18:32] <kklimonda> crimsun_: what is the emergency fix for people who has installed alsa drivers from tarball?
[18:33] <babai> i'm trying to run 10.10 beta in virtualbox and when installing guestadditions it says unknown version of X
[18:33] <babai> is there anyway to install that?
[18:34] <duffydack> no
[18:34] <babai> duffydack: which xorg version does 10.10 use? 1.9?
[18:34] <kklimonda> yes
[18:34] <duffydack> vbox doesnt support it yet because its not final yet
[18:35] <babai> k
[18:35] <crimsun_> well, vbox svn head does
[18:35] <crimsun_> (I'm patching in all the quilt bits for a new upload)
[18:42] <emvee> hey crimsun_ tnks for before, still not getting sound after that though
[18:43] <emvee> anything left to try?
[18:43] <emvee> :)
[18:44] <crimsun_> emvee: what's your current state of debugging?
[18:45] <crimsun_> I don't maintain state ;)
[18:46] <UndiFineD> stateless :P
[18:47] <emvee> i don't know we did a lot of stuff
[18:47] <emvee> ps 1270 1342 might have been the last command u gave me
[18:47] <emvee> i have a bunch of commands listed in a file lol
[18:48] <emvee> mostly just info gathering and analysing
[18:48] <emvee> thought it was the xfce's mixer does wonky things on session login bug and it might be part of it, but seems to be beyond that
[18:49] <crimsun_> emvee: ok, so speaker-test is audible, correct? Did you play another ogg vorbis file with ogg123 or paplay?
[18:49] <emvee> sound test works
[18:49] <crimsun_> actually, don't worry about paplay
[18:49] <emvee> no it didn't work the ogg command
[18:51] <emvee> it appears to work but no sound
[18:52] <emvee> no errors though
[18:55] <Kevlar> Implied agreement to a contract, oh I love the internet and their hopefulness
[18:55] <Kevlar> anyway
[18:56] <Kevlar> TOS agreed. There now its logged
[18:56] <Kevlar> :D
[18:56] <Kevlar> And not implied, but stated.
[18:56] <Kevlar> Anyway, is there a command to install the beta through cannonical?
[18:57] <kklimonda> what do you mean?
[18:57] <Kevlar> other than downloading the beta in iso form?
[18:57] <penguin42> how do you mean 'through cannonical'?
[18:57] <penguin42> Kevlar: Do you have ubuntu already installed?
[18:57] <Kevlar> like "install beta MM"
[18:57] <crimsun_> emvee: pastebin your amixer
[18:57] <Kevlar> yes
[18:57] <penguin42> Kevlar: Run do-release-upgrade
[18:58] <Kevlar> okay!
[18:58] <Kevlar> that easy?
[18:58]  * penguin42 can't remember if you need -d for the betas
[18:58] <kklimonda> do-release-upgrad -d
[18:58] <Kevlar> shouldnt I be specific to which release and upgrade?
[18:58] <emvee> http://pastebin.com/zKgJ5uxf
[18:58] <penguin42> Kevlar: It should tell you
[18:59] <Kevlar> okay
[18:59] <Kevlar> let me give it a go
[18:59] <Kevlar> Thank you Mr. Penguin42,
[18:59] <penguin42> No problem
[19:00] <Kevlar> oh it says no new release found, let me try with -d
[19:00] <Kevlar> THAT did it!
[19:00] <Kevlar> needed the -d
[19:00] <crimsun_> emvee: does unmuting 'Headphone' do anything?
[19:01] <Kevlar> it allows sound to be emitted through your headphone jack
[19:01] <Kevlar> :D
[19:01] <emvee> YES
[19:01] <emvee> ogg123 works now
[19:01] <emvee> :)
[19:01] <crimsun_> emvee: no wonder people with pulse don't have this issue ;)
[19:02] <zedkappa> hello
[19:02] <crimsun_> emvee: that is /not/ a reason to install pulse, however ;)
[19:02] <emvee> how do i stop it always being auto muted?
[19:02] <Kevlar> Penguin42 after I do that, does it automatically install?
[19:02] <Kevlar> nmn got my own q answwered
[19:02] <crimsun_> emvee: just for kicks, can you mute it, reboot, login, and use 'sudo alsactl init 0', and test again whether ogg123 is audible?
[19:03] <zedkappa> 14:01 < zedkappa> hello, how can i assist 10.10 in finding init? it gives me the error 'No init found'. i used the latest  beta and made a live usb using unetbootin, and am running an Acer Aspire One.
[19:03] <emvee> okay..
[19:03] <emvee> bb
[19:04] <zedkappa> i have used unetbootin before with betas without any problems
[19:04] <emvee> uh mute everything or just headphones?
[19:05] <crimsun_> emvee: don't touch the volume/mute at all
[19:05] <crimsun_> emvee: have you already rebooted?
[19:05] <emvee> no
[19:06] <crimsun_> emvee: ah, sorry, I thought you already had. Right, only mute 'Headphone'.
[19:06] <emvee> ok
[19:08] <yofel> crimsun_: some advice please: I have a hardware mute button here that remembers its state after reboot, software is umuted on login in KDE which works fine as long the button is set to unmuted on boot. If it's muted I end up with 'hardware muted, software unmuted', pressing the button gives me 'hardware unmuted, software muted' meaning no sound unless I go to the soundapplet and switch only the software switch, what should I file a bug against?
[19:08] <emvee> ok
[19:09] <emvee> rebooted and the others have gone to mute again too
[19:09] <crimsun_> emvee: is this /after/ 'sudo alsactl init 0' ?
[19:09] <emvee> i don't think i've used that command before
[19:10] <Kevlar> try sudo format c
[19:10] <emvee> sorry
[19:10] <Kevlar> :D
[19:10] <emvee> forgot
[19:11] <emvee> ok that unmuted everything
[19:11] <emvee> and sound works
[19:11] <emvee> try rebooting?
[19:11] <crimsun_> awesome
[19:11] <crimsun_> I'll make that change in alsa-utils, then, and upload it
[19:11] <emvee> should that stop it auto mute?
[19:11] <emvee> cool
[19:11] <crimsun_> this wipes out an entire class of bugs, yay
[19:12] <emvee> awesome :)
[19:13] <crimsun_> yofel: hmm, so there's a desync? And you're using pulse now, correct?
[19:13] <crimsun_> i.e., I /think/ Kubuntu 10.10 has pulse now
[19:13] <yofel> right, KDE (phonon) now uses pulse as backend
[19:13] <emvee> crimsun i will reboot and check it stays unmuted. it should now eh?
[19:13] <crimsun_> emvee: no, it won't necessarily stay unmuted
[19:14] <crimsun_> emvee: I haven't actually committed the fix to the package yet, and it hasn't been compiled and made available for download to your computer yet ;)
[19:14] <emvee> ah, but this helps u for that fix?
[19:16] <crimsun_> yes, you've just confirmed the fix, that's all
[19:16] <emvee> ok
[19:16] <emvee> i'll try rebooting anywayz
[19:16] <emvee> just for a kick i guess
[19:16] <emvee> heh
[19:17] <yofel> and yes, it gets out of sync if the button is set to muted on login, as software is always unmuted
[19:19] <crimsun_> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[19:19] <emvee> ls
[19:19] <emvee> ok
[19:19] <emvee> no :)
[19:20] <emvee> thanks anyay crimsun
[19:20] <emvee> the patch should be released around when yathink
[19:22] <FoolsRun> hello, I just installed the Maverick beta on an Acer netbook and am getting constant crashes from Unity and Mutter. Has anyone else seen this?
[19:22] <crimsun_> emvee: next week, probably Monday. Maybe tomorrow if I have a lot of free time this weekend [unlikely].
[19:23] <emvee> ok neat
[19:24] <emvee> hey small issue how do i get thunderbird to display an icon in the top panel? it's not an option in the add aps
[19:24] <emvee> and drag dropping doesnt do it
[19:24] <the_dark_warrio> Is it possible to close Rhythmbox window without quiting the application with the new indicator?
[19:29] <yofel> crimsun_: log when pressing mute button while synced: http://paste.ubuntu.com/488404/ - while out of sync: http://paste.ubuntu.com/488405/
[19:29] <crimsun_> yofel: thanks. Will have to look later; I'm a bit frazzled from fixing vbox.
[19:29] <killer999> hey...is it possible to select different themes for different gwibber streams?
[19:29] <zniavre_> !info nouveau
[19:29] <yofel> np, thanks
[19:30] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[19:30] <zniavre_> yofel thank you
[19:30] <zniavre_> in fact i was looking for how-to or tuto's ...
[19:31] <yofel> zniavre_: make sure nvidia-current is purged, it should use nouveau by default then if it's installed
[19:31] <yofel> if you have no xorg.conf
[19:33] <zniavre_> yofel thank you again > im using  usualy legacy nvidia.run wich it does not work at this moment
[19:34] <yofel> zniavre_: hm, then try to run the .run with --deinstall I think and reinstall the mesa package
[19:34] <yofel> and maybe use debsums to check for other missing files
[19:34] <zniavre_> already done (right now with "vesa"
[19:35] <yofel> as the nvidia .run deletes system files :/
[19:35] <zniavre_> ok i did not know this specific point
[19:35] <zniavre_> do you think the nouveau driver from maverick is 3d'able?
[19:36] <yofel> zniavre_: yes, if you install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[19:38] <zniavre_> ok let's try it   see you soon
[19:39] <bjsnider> the flag is --uninstall i think
[19:39] <bjsnider> but he's probably pooched his system so it doesn't really matter
[19:39] <FoolsRun> Hi, got dropped earlier. I'm getting nearly constant crashes when using Unity.
[19:39] <FoolsRun> Anyone else haveing this issue?
[19:42] <FoolsRun> guess not :)
[19:43] <yofel> well, can you be a bit more precise? *what* crashes?
[19:43] <FoolsRun> Mutter, Unity-Application... something
[19:43] <FoolsRun> daemon
[19:44] <zniavre> yofel thankyou again
[19:44] <yofel> hm, I think I heard about some mutter issues, can't remember anything precise now though :/
[19:45] <emvee> thanks crimsun_ i'm off cyas
[19:47] <FoolsRun> I guess I could just use the Desktop Edition, it's just strange
[19:51] <Volkodav> y
[19:52] <vish> n
[19:54] <penguin42> m
[19:54] <yofel> z
[19:57] <charlie-tca> l
[19:59] <killer999> is it posiible to assign sound to nitfy-osd?
[20:06] <psion> ok so there's a widget that shows my battery life in the top bar around the notification area, accidently removed it, anyone know what it's called? I think it's part of another widget that I closed
[20:07] <penguin42> psion: Is it gnome-power-manager?
[20:07] <psion> I don't have that installed so I don't think so
[20:11] <edgy> crimsun_: ping
[20:12] <psion> edgy: pong
[20:13] <edgy> psion: do you have experience in sound issues?
[20:13] <psion> not really, not since 2.4.x kernels
[20:13] <psion> it usually works out of the box for me
[20:14] <edgy> psion: strange! ;0
[20:26] <emvee> just installed the updates for maverick, now when i reboot there's a stall then message "atiixp-modem: codec reset timeout" then it continues to log in ok
[20:26] <emvee> ?
[20:29] <bdogg> hey has anyone figured out how to install nautilus-elementary in maverick beta?
[20:29] <bdogg> its not working for me
[20:32] <penguin42> emvee: I'd say file a bug against linux for that
[20:34] <undifined> hmmm, I am trying to get my sound working again, cmpci had been blocklisted in alsa, and it seems it was ported to oss4 ? how would i get it working again pulseaudio does not see my hardware
[20:34] <emvee> where does it get filed?
[20:34] <emvee> just on launchpad?
[20:34] <penguin42> emvee: Just run ubuntu-bug linux    from a shell on your maverick box
[20:34] <emvee> ok thanks
[20:39] <emvee> penguin do you think this would be filesystem kernalconfig or networking bug
[20:41] <lucidfox> Wow
[20:41] <lucidfox> software-center has become much faster recently
[20:41] <lucidfox> good job!
[20:42] <vish> lucidfox: you should tell that when mvo is around ;)
[20:47] <penguin42> emvee: I'd say neither, it just sounds like a device driver issue
[20:59] <emvee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/630411
[21:03] <emvee> yup
[21:03] <emvee> btw is my email invisible to you
[21:04] <undifined> emvee, Email: No public address provided.
[21:05] <emvee> np
[21:06] <undifined> but if you had an address there, goog might already have it
[21:07] <bsanders> Hey all, what's the package name(s) for the Sun jre/firefox plugin?  I'm on Maverick (current as of today) AMD64.  I've already added the parter repo and apt-get update, and I don't see it when I apt-cache search sun-java
[21:08] <emvee> it wasn't public before, i just wondered if you others could see it if you logged in
[21:08] <dubby> hey anyone, the rythmbox indicator applet for the gnome panel does not show
[21:08] <dubby> I was wondering if there was a setting to activate it
[21:10] <jfi> bsanders, apt-cache search java6 |grep sun
[21:10] <jfi> sun-java6-plugin - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
[21:11] <bsanders> jfi, that returns nothing
[21:11] <jfi> so you don't have the repo
[21:12] <bsanders> its checked in software sources in the other software tab
[21:12] <bsanders> "partner"
[21:13] <jfi> you can use the old repo
[21:13] <jfi> the one from lucid for java
[21:14] <jfi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/588589
[21:14] <jfi> my bad, it does not seem to be available for maverick, I am getting it from the lucid repo
[21:15] <bsanders> Ah.  Thanks a bunch, I'll add the source for lucid.  Thought I'd gone crazy
[21:18] <jfi> maybe it is safer to install it from the sun archive, to avoid future conflict
[21:18] <kklimonda> installing it from lucid should be save
[21:19] <kklimonda> safer than installing from SUN's repos imo
[21:19] <jfi> well, that's just un tgz that you can extract to any dir
[21:19] <jfi> you can put it in your homedir and do a link of the .so in the plugin dir of ff
[21:21] <ilumi> the 10.10 beta comes with some kind of flash preinstalled, which doesnt work with youtube, anyone know what it is and how to remove it?
[21:21] <penguin42> ilumi: How do you know it has some kind of flash preinstalled?
[21:21] <penguin42> ilumi: What does about:plugins say ?
[21:22] <ilumi> penguin42, it says flv YES, but doesnt say what, and adobe flash is not installed
[21:23] <ilumi> penguin42, video/flv 	Flash video 	flv 	Yes
[21:23] <penguin42> ilumi: If it's firefox and you have a line that says video/flv in a table what's the title above that table - is it VLC Multimedia plugin ?
[21:24] <ilumi> penguin42, yes i have vlc plugins showing
[21:24] <penguin42> ilumi: My guess is that will play an flv file of some form but  I've never come across it
[21:25] <ilumi> penguin42, any idea how to remove it, or stop firefox from recognizing it?
[21:27] <penguin42> ilumi: Try removing totem-plugins and then quitting firefox completely and restarting
[21:28] <ilumi> penguin42, yes, that makes sense, but i only want to remove the flash plugin, not all of the,
[21:28] <ilumi> penguin42, i will look into totem plugins, thank you
[21:28] <penguin42> ilumi: I don't know more about the inside of totem plugins
[21:32] <undifined> thanks Sary|a your pointer helped me to have sound output again, but now, it's very slow to react, like 2 minute delay
[21:37] <shauno> Is there any configuration for utouch (support for apple trackpads)? I'm not finding anything obvious
[21:40] <kklimonda> ilumi: the thing that comes with ubuntu preinstalled isn't flash and it doesn't prevent you from installing flash from flashplugin-installer package
[21:41] <ilumi> kklimonda, nope, but i have a x64 plugin i want to use, and it doesnt see that, i think because it recognizes the other one first
[21:43] <ilumi> kklimonda, or maybe i just put it in a wrong directory
[21:43] <ilumi> cd
[21:45] <kklimonda> that's more likely - the flv plugin has nothing to do with flash
[21:46] <ilumi> kklimonda, is the firefox on 10.10 32 or 64 bit?
[21:46] <ilumi> 10.10 x64, i assume its 64
[21:47] <kklimonda> yes, x64
[21:47] <kklimonda> great, nautilus has just crashed in a middle of copying of thousands files..
[21:48] <ilumi> kklimonda, OO, thats not nice
[22:05] <leifw> I have a maverick install I've been keeping up to date after upgrading from lucid a week or two ago. What is the supported way to try out the netbook interface without destroying the existing install? Is it invertible?
[22:07] <penguin42> leifw: You can install ubuntu-netbook and when you login it'll give you a choice, it does change some stuff
[22:18] <leifw> thanks, penguin42
[22:56] <billybigrigger> anyone know where to get a hold of the ambiance-maverick-beta theme that ubuntu is complaing i don't have?
[23:06] <htorque> billybigrigger, ambiance-maverick-beta is now called ambiance ;)
[23:10] <markit> Where can I download Kubuntu 10.10 beta CD? Here I find only dvd: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/maverick/beta/
[23:11] <zniavre> markit, here maybe ? >http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/
[23:12] <markit> zniavre: are them LIVE version?
[23:12] <markit> oh, yes they are
[23:12] <markit> thanks a lot
[23:12] <zniavre> :o)  you are welcome
[23:30] <penguin42> is anyone else finding virtual-machine-manager crashing a lot in Maverick?
[23:32]  * penguin42 likes the way the new installer installs stuff while you're filling in the details
[23:39] <voidmage> when i try to submit a bug with ubuntu-bug i get this error
[23:39] <voidmage> Error showing url: Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/firefox-4.0" (No such file or directory)
[23:41] <penguin42> voidmage: When you submit a bug it tries to open your 'current' webbrowser
[23:41] <voidmage> i had firefox 4 installed for maybe a day
[23:41] <penguin42> voidmage: For some reason it's set to /usr/bin/firefox-4.0 which I guess you installed and removed?
[23:41] <voidmage> purged it and it's still trying to run it
[23:42] <penguin42> yeh
[23:42] <voidmage> which alternative controls that?
[23:42] <penguin42> try picking it on preferences->Preferred applications
[23:42] <voidmage> that's weird
[23:44] <voidmage> do you have a maverick install running?
[23:44] <penguin42> yes
[23:45] <voidmage> can you test this for me? open nautlius, go to /bin, then try to go to ~
[23:45] <penguin42> ok
[23:45] <penguin42> voidmage: Worked here; I did it by clciking on the File system icon and navigating down to bin and then clicking on my users home directory
[23:46] <voidmage> can you try it with the address bar?
[23:46] <penguin42> voidmage: If I goto location and type ~ it says can't find /bin/~