| DanaG | dang: powervr drivers have no omapfb_dri.so (or such) for real GLX. | 00:23 |
|---|---|---|
| DanaG | Say, what does GMA500 get? If gma500 gets GLX, then why does OMAP SGX not get GLX? | 00:25 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | anybody here | 01:50 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | ?? | 01:50 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | how is the performance of an ARM processor vs an X86 for things like GIMP | 01:54 |
| Baybal | gimp it depends on version | 01:57 |
| Baybal | before gegl it was mostly integer based | 01:57 |
| Baybal | now its mostly float math based | 01:57 |
| Baybal | arm is not a best float point performer on the market | 01:58 |
| Baybal | although A8 knocks down atoms in integer ops | 01:58 |
| robclark | fwiw, cortex-a9 is better at fp... but integer and single precision float has more potential for simd.. | 01:59 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | well i was looking at getting a tegra based tablet for design work on the go | 01:59 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | so i'd be running things like inkscape, scribus, karbon14 | 02:00 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | would these perform ok?? | 02:01 |
| robclark | on tegra, no idea | 02:02 |
| * prpplague pokes robclark in the eye with a sharp stick | 02:04 | |
| robclark | ouch | 02:04 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_250.html | 02:04 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | its a cortex-a9 | 02:05 |
| robclark | Vic_Sage_The_Que: so, I guess the answer is maybe ;-) | 02:06 |
| robclark | I've not played with one, so I can't really say for sure | 02:06 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | has anybody done something like this I was looking at getting a notion ink adam and dual booting android and ubuntu arm | 02:07 |
| robclark | are they even available already? | 02:08 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | theres devices using similar hardware | 02:08 |
| Vic_Sage_The_Que | toshiba folio 100 | 02:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | OMG ! they sell the toshiba AC100 around the corner here | 10:49 |
| * ogra_cmpc just found out | 10:49 | |
| ogra_cmpc | NCommander, persia, anyone intrested ? its 380 euro (tegra2, 512M) and qwertz kbd ... i could bring one to UDS | 10:51 |
| NCommander | ogra_cmpc: what's an AC100? | 11:21 |
| NCommander | oh wait | 11:21 |
| NCommander | YES! | 11:21 |
| kblin | nice.. apart from the qwertz keyboard ;) | 11:25 |
| * kblin shakes his head | 11:25 | |
| NCommander | kblin: that can be fixed with a keymap | 11:25 |
| NCommander | <- *dvorak keyboard user (at times)* | 11:25 |
| kblin | NCommander: but it's irritating.. I'm doing that at work already | 11:26 |
| NCommander | kblin: it could be worse | 11:26 |
| kblin | true, could be windows | 11:26 |
| NCommander | ogra_cmpc: do you have a picture (I'm pretty sure I want one, but I can't find a pic of it here) | 11:27 |
| kblin | with it's broken version of focus-follows-mouse | 11:27 |
| kblin | engadget had one | 11:27 |
| kblin | first google hit for me | 11:27 |
| kblin | too bad I already reached my gadget allowance for this year.. | 11:28 |
| NCommander | kblin: w.r.t. to Android, remapping is trivial if it can be rooted | 11:28 |
| NCommander | and if the kernel doesn't suck, it should run Ubuntu just fine. | 11:28 |
| armin76 | linux support on the tegra2 is kinda awful | 11:28 |
| kblin | I shouldn't have told my $significant_other that the dockstar I got was a computer | 11:29 |
| ogra_cmpc | NCommander, only in a herman news article http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/10-Zoll-Netbook-Toshiba-AC100-mit-Nvidia-Tegra-250-und-Android-2-1-1072519.html | 11:31 |
| ogra_cmpc | *german | 11:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | try google translate... at the bottom there is a picture series | 11:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | kblin, well, its a german version ... so it has a german kbd | 11:33 |
| kblin | ogra_cmpc: sure. it's an uphill fight for me all the time to get a decent programming keyboard that has the right size enter key | 11:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | heh | 11:34 |
| kblin | the other differences are irellevant, but the shape of the enter key and thus the positition of the \ key, that can't be fixed by keymaps | 11:35 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, i find the price quite high, the kbd looks ok to me | 11:36 |
| NCommander | ogra_cmpc: its not hard to change the keymap. | 11:36 |
| ogra_cmpc | but i usually use german kbd mapping anyway | 11:36 |
| ogra_cmpc | and 512M are quite low | 11:37 |
| * kblin shrugs | 11:39 | |
| armin76 | low, heh | 11:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | compared to the panda ... | 11:39 |
| kblin | 60% or my ARM devices have 128MB only | 11:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | tegra also has no neon | 11:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | and given it comes with android the question is can you get a normal linux kernel source for it to run ubuntu | 11:41 |
| armin76 | well, if you're comparing it with the omap4, then its going to suck for sure :) | 11:41 |
| ogra_cmpc | right | 11:41 |
| ogra_cmpc | and for that i find it a bit expensive | 11:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | though SATA makes it intresting again | 11:42 |
| armin76 | oh, it has sata? the dev board doesn't | 11:42 |
| ogra_cmpc | the tech data i find everywhere for it says 8G SATA SSD | 11:43 |
| ogra_cmpc | might indeed be attached through USB or something simlary weird | 11:43 |
| armin76 | probably | 11:43 |
| armin76 | the ethernet on the dev board is usb too | 11:44 |
| armin76 | and not sure if you've ever seen this on other platforms, but the nvidia linux development kit uses ubuntu and a daemon for something :D | 11:45 |
| ogra_cmpc | omap4 is developed natively on ubuntu ;) doesnt need a daemon or kit | 11:46 |
| armin76 | yeah well, nvidia is "special" regarding linux | 11:47 |
| armin76 | the bootloader used is still the one for android, fastboot | 11:48 |
| NCommander | armin76: if it is unlocked, or not hard to unlock, that's trivial to get around. | 11:52 |
| armin76 | NCommander: you'd first need to check it the tegra kernel supports the toshiba :) | 11:54 |
| NCommander | armin76: heh | 12:00 |
| armin76 | which is unlikely | 12:04 |
| armin76 | http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=tree | 12:04 |
| armin76 | sorry, this one: http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/android-tegra-2.6.32;hb=android-tegra-2.6.32 | 12:07 |
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| rcn-ee | cwillu, ping.. (btrfs) | 13:46 |
| rsavoye | Not real exciting, but here's a shot of Gnash doping YouTube on the Sharp NetWalker: http://www.gnashdev.org/images/IMGP2581.JPG | 16:00 |
| rsavoye | this machine runs Jaunty | 16:00 |
| devilhorns | you're right ... not real exciting ;) | 16:02 |
| devilhorns | ewww red ... couldn't they have used a better color ? uff | 16:05 |
| rsavoye | I had too many black netbooks :-) | 16:12 |
| rsavoye | the netwalker is mostly for armel demos | 16:12 |
| devilhorns | ahhh :) yea that seems to be the standard color | 16:12 |
| rsavoye | at least with a red one, I can tell it's not one of my mipsel netbooks | 16:13 |
| devilhorns | true :) | 16:13 |
| rsavoye | the netwalker only runs flashlite, so doesn't handle youtube | 16:13 |
| rsavoye | but with gnash it does :-) | 16:14 |
| devilhorns | :) | 16:14 |
| rsavoye | the wonders of free software... now if I could just get maverick running on the netwalker, I'd be happy | 16:16 |
| devilhorns | hehe | 16:20 |
| rsavoye | I was bummed to see ubuntu drop i.mx51 support, but oh well... | 16:23 |
| lool | rsavoye: Note that the BSP isn't getting updated for latest kernels | 16:29 |
| lool | also, tracking BSPs is painful; if it was just for the upstream kernel, it would be easier | 16:30 |
| rsavoye | yes, but I don't plan to fix it | 16:30 |
| rsavoye | I know, I used to write BSPs for a living | 16:30 |
| rsavoye | I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but I may have just fixed pr 323 and pr484. | 16:30 |
| lool | I know you're not going to fix it, but you said you were bummed that Ubuntu dropped i.mx51 support :-) | 16:31 |
| armin76 | ubuntu dropped i.mx51 support? | 16:33 |
| armin76 | lool: ^ | 16:46 |
| lool | armin76: well we dropped the bsp | 16:51 |
| lool | linux-fsl-imx51 | 16:51 |
| lool | but linaro builds an upstream imx51 flavour | 16:51 |
| armin76 | ah well, thanks | 16:52 |
| rsavoye | ah, interesting. just released | 16:54 |
| * cwillu pokes rcn-ee | 17:23 | |
| rsavoye | yippie, my fixed arm assembler for OpenJDK passes the test suite :-) | 18:01 |
| rsavoye | it actually gets better results than the interpreted mode | 18:02 |
| robclark_ | rsalveti: JIT? | 18:03 |
| rsavoye | thumb2 JIT appears to be working as well now | 18:04 |
| rsavoye | damn gcc optimizer bug :-( | 18:04 |
| robclark_ | nice | 18:04 |
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| rsavoye | working with b20 in icedtea6 HEAD too :-) | 18:05 |
| rsavoye | al the test that failed with interpreted mode are now just errors, but passing | 18:05 |
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| rsavoye | yep, slightly better results than the arm interpreter, now running the langtools tests | 18:26 |
| rsavoye | http://www.senecass.com/projects/OpenJDK-ARM/icedtea6-armel-asm/hotspot/ | 18:36 |
| * cwillu_at_work pokes rcn-ee again | 21:45 | |
| rcn-ee | hey cwillu_at_work, was testing out btrfs, do you use differnet bootargs (such as 'rw') or disable fsck in /etc/fstab? | 21:57 |
| cwillu_at_work | rcn-ee, both | 21:57 |
| cwillu_at_work | btrfs's fsck doesn't do anything yet, although somebody's working on that | 21:58 |
| cwillu_at_work | or rather, fsck doesn't _fix_ anything yet, and fails at the same point that btrfs would itself detect an error | 21:58 |
| cwillu_at_work | well, that's what I do on my beagle images | 22:01 |
| cwillu_at_work | I've got two desktop's with btrfs roots as well, they're both ro with nothing done to disable fsck | 22:02 |
| rcn-ee | Thanks cwillu_at_work, i remember you saying the btrfs's fsck wasn't ready, so i wasn't sure which method you did to get it to boot.. (it fails when trying to find the fake btrfs fsck from btrfs-tools) | 22:05 |
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