[00:23] dang: powervr drivers have no omapfb_dri.so (or such) for real GLX. [00:25] Say, what does GMA500 get? If gma500 gets GLX, then why does OMAP SGX not get GLX? [01:50] anybody here [01:50] ?? [01:54] how is the performance of an ARM processor vs an X86 for things like GIMP [01:57] gimp it depends on version [01:57] before gegl it was mostly integer based [01:57] now its mostly float math based [01:58] arm is not a best float point performer on the market [01:58] although A8 knocks down atoms in integer ops [01:59] fwiw, cortex-a9 is better at fp... but integer and single precision float has more potential for simd.. [01:59] well i was looking at getting a tegra based tablet for design work on the go [02:00] so i'd be running things like inkscape, scribus, karbon14 [02:01] would these perform ok?? [02:02] on tegra, no idea [02:04] * prpplague pokes robclark in the eye with a sharp stick [02:04] ouch [02:04] http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_250.html [02:05] its a cortex-a9 [02:06] Vic_Sage_The_Que: so, I guess the answer is maybe ;-) [02:06] I've not played with one, so I can't really say for sure [02:07] has anybody done something like this I was looking at getting a notion ink adam and dual booting android and ubuntu arm [02:08] are they even available already? [02:08] theres devices using similar hardware [02:10] toshiba folio 100 [10:49] OMG ! they sell the toshiba AC100 around the corner here [10:49] * ogra_cmpc just found out [10:51] NCommander, persia, anyone intrested ? its 380 euro (tegra2, 512M) and qwertz kbd ... i could bring one to UDS [11:21] ogra_cmpc: what's an AC100? [11:21] oh wait [11:21] YES! [11:25] nice.. apart from the qwertz keyboard ;) [11:25] * kblin shakes his head [11:25] kblin: that can be fixed with a keymap [11:25] <- *dvorak keyboard user (at times)* [11:26] NCommander: but it's irritating.. I'm doing that at work already [11:26] kblin: it could be worse [11:26] true, could be windows [11:27] ogra_cmpc: do you have a picture (I'm pretty sure I want one, but I can't find a pic of it here) [11:27] with it's broken version of focus-follows-mouse [11:27] engadget had one [11:27] first google hit for me [11:28] too bad I already reached my gadget allowance for this year.. [11:28] kblin: w.r.t. to Android, remapping is trivial if it can be rooted [11:28] and if the kernel doesn't suck, it should run Ubuntu just fine. [11:28] linux support on the tegra2 is kinda awful [11:29] I shouldn't have told my $significant_other that the dockstar I got was a computer [11:31] NCommander, only in a herman news article http://www.heise.de/mobil/artikel/10-Zoll-Netbook-Toshiba-AC100-mit-Nvidia-Tegra-250-und-Android-2-1-1072519.html [11:32] *german [11:32] try google translate... at the bottom there is a picture series [11:33] kblin, well, its a german version ... so it has a german kbd [11:33] ogra_cmpc: sure. it's an uphill fight for me all the time to get a decent programming keyboard that has the right size enter key [11:34] heh [11:35] the other differences are irellevant, but the shape of the enter key and thus the positition of the \ key, that can't be fixed by keymaps [11:36] well, i find the price quite high, the kbd looks ok to me [11:36] ogra_cmpc: its not hard to change the keymap. [11:36] but i usually use german kbd mapping anyway [11:37] and 512M are quite low [11:39] * kblin shrugs [11:39] low, heh [11:39] compared to the panda ... [11:39] 60% or my ARM devices have 128MB only [11:40] tegra also has no neon [11:41] and given it comes with android the question is can you get a normal linux kernel source for it to run ubuntu [11:41] well, if you're comparing it with the omap4, then its going to suck for sure :) [11:41] right [11:42] and for that i find it a bit expensive [11:42] though SATA makes it intresting again [11:42] oh, it has sata? the dev board doesn't [11:43] the tech data i find everywhere for it says 8G SATA SSD [11:43] might indeed be attached through USB or something simlary weird [11:43] probably [11:44] the ethernet on the dev board is usb too [11:45] and not sure if you've ever seen this on other platforms, but the nvidia linux development kit uses ubuntu and a daemon for something :D [11:46] omap4 is developed natively on ubuntu ;) doesnt need a daemon or kit [11:47] yeah well, nvidia is "special" regarding linux [11:48] the bootloader used is still the one for android, fastboot [11:52] armin76: if it is unlocked, or not hard to unlock, that's trivial to get around. [11:54] NCommander: you'd first need to check it the tegra kernel supports the toshiba :) [12:00] armin76: heh [12:04] which is unlikely [12:04] http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=tree [12:07] sorry, this one: http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?p=linux-2.6.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/android-tegra-2.6.32;hb=android-tegra-2.6.32 === Tscheesy_ is now known as Tscheesy [13:46] cwillu, ping.. (btrfs) [16:00] Not real exciting, but here's a shot of Gnash doping YouTube on the Sharp NetWalker: http://www.gnashdev.org/images/IMGP2581.JPG [16:00] this machine runs Jaunty [16:02] you're right ... not real exciting ;) [16:05] ewww red ... couldn't they have used a better color ? uff [16:12] I had too many black netbooks :-) [16:12] the netwalker is mostly for armel demos [16:12] ahhh :) yea that seems to be the standard color [16:13] at least with a red one, I can tell it's not one of my mipsel netbooks [16:13] true :) [16:13] the netwalker only runs flashlite, so doesn't handle youtube [16:14] but with gnash it does :-) [16:14] :) [16:16] the wonders of free software... now if I could just get maverick running on the netwalker, I'd be happy [16:20] hehe [16:23] I was bummed to see ubuntu drop i.mx51 support, but oh well... [16:29] rsavoye: Note that the BSP isn't getting updated for latest kernels [16:30] also, tracking BSPs is painful; if it was just for the upstream kernel, it would be easier [16:30] yes, but I don't plan to fix it [16:30] I know, I used to write BSPs for a living [16:30] I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but I may have just fixed pr 323 and pr484. [16:31] I know you're not going to fix it, but you said you were bummed that Ubuntu dropped i.mx51 support :-) [16:33] ubuntu dropped i.mx51 support? [16:46] lool: ^ [16:51] armin76: well we dropped the bsp [16:51] linux-fsl-imx51 [16:51] but linaro builds an upstream imx51 flavour [16:52] ah well, thanks [16:54] ah, interesting. just released [17:23] * cwillu pokes rcn-ee [18:01] yippie, my fixed arm assembler for OpenJDK passes the test suite :-) [18:02] it actually gets better results than the interpreted mode [18:03] rsalveti: JIT? [18:04] thumb2 JIT appears to be working as well now [18:04] damn gcc optimizer bug :-( [18:04] nice === robclark_ is now known as robclark [18:05] working with b20 in icedtea6 HEAD too :-) [18:05] al the test that failed with interpreted mode are now just errors, but passing === prpplague^2 is now known as prpplague [18:26] yep, slightly better results than the arm interpreter, now running the langtools tests [18:36] http://www.senecass.com/projects/OpenJDK-ARM/icedtea6-armel-asm/hotspot/ [21:45] * cwillu_at_work pokes rcn-ee again [21:57] hey cwillu_at_work, was testing out btrfs, do you use differnet bootargs (such as 'rw') or disable fsck in /etc/fstab? [21:57] rcn-ee, both [21:58] btrfs's fsck doesn't do anything yet, although somebody's working on that [21:58] or rather, fsck doesn't _fix_ anything yet, and fails at the same point that btrfs would itself detect an error [22:01] well, that's what I do on my beagle images [22:02] I've got two desktop's with btrfs roots as well, they're both ro with nothing done to disable fsck [22:05] Thanks cwillu_at_work, i remember you saying the btrfs's fsck wasn't ready, so i wasn't sure which method you did to get it to boot.. (it fails when trying to find the fake btrfs fsck from btrfs-tools)