 okay i wouldnt mind spending the next couple of weeks writing an irc killer
[04:50] <elky> ooh, -ot just  became -homework apparently
[06:31] <bazhang> wow annoying
[06:38] <bazhang> seems the closer we get to release, the more folks will argue they should be supported in the main channel, "it's only slightly different"
[06:39] <Madpilot> not uncommon
[06:39] <Madpilot> but which part of "still in beta!" is hard to understand, rly?
[06:39] <bazhang> hehe yeah
[06:40] <bazhang> he did not even have an Ubuntu OS installed and wanted to know if we could fix it.
[06:40] <Madpilot> I missed that part. even better.
[06:41] <bazhang> so he was asked to try boot options with the live cd, or get the alternate cd, then went ahead and installed the beta alternate
[06:42] <bazhang> now in -ot
[06:54] <IdleOne> umm why did he leave the channel?
[06:54] <IdleOne> heh
[06:54] <bazhang> I won't believe he installed it until he shows the sources.list with the beta iso in it
[06:57] <IdleOne> it's real simple, when it comes to running +1, don't unless you know how to unbreak it
[06:57] <IdleOne> NOT fix it but UNBREAK it
[06:59] <Madpilot> I've always liked "If you break it, you get to keep all the pieces" WRT betas, myself
[06:59] <Madpilot> which is why i only ever, ever run them on liveCDs...
[07:00] <bazhang> just wondering if this the ryan of daemonxp fame (fabled foxconn troll)
[07:00] <IdleOne> probably
[07:02] <IdleOne> I just don't understand how someone can run a alpha/beta version of anything and expect it to work
[07:02] <bazhang> he spent a goodly amount of time with nothing installed at all wondering if his issue could be fixed.
[07:03] <IdleOne> the problem is in Windows, software is advertised as " We got the New Beta release of app XYZ" everybody rush to download it.
[07:03] <bazhang> the details just dont add up. not being able to get to tty ?
[07:04] <IdleOne> I suspect we won't see much more from him
[07:04] <IdleOne> least not about this issue.
[07:04] <bazhang> whew prescient
[07:05] <IdleOne> ??
[07:05] <IdleOne> was that English?
[07:05] <IdleOne> :)
[07:05] <bazhang> the second after you said that, he quit
[07:05] <IdleOne> he just left
[07:05] <IdleOne> didn't quit
[07:05] <bazhang> yep thus the prescience
[07:06] <IdleOne> I had to look up the word prescience
[07:06] <bazhang> heh
[07:06]  * IdleOne is learned by bazhang today
[07:08] <IdleOne> I honestly never saw that word before.
[07:08] <bazhang> should've said 'you called it'
[07:09] <IdleOne> no no, please don't dumb down so I can understand you :)
[07:09] <IdleOne> I have no problem admitting when I don't know something
[07:10] <bazhang> just waiting for him to change nicks and come back. he's had about 6-7 at least in the past
[07:10] <IdleOne> Dad always made sure we had dictionaries in the house. anytime one of us asked what something meant he handed us a dictionary
[07:10] <IdleOne> I think it was because he probably didn't know half of the stuff we asked about lol
[07:11] <Madpilot> standard parent trick. Never actually admit ignorance. :)
[07:11] <IdleOne> Madpilot: I have used it myself :)
[07:13] <Madpilot> likewise, perhaps I should have said "standard human trick" :)
[07:13] <Madpilot> as I ain't a parent...
[07:15]  * mneptok does the vacation dance
[07:15] <IdleOne> need an umbrella drink?
[07:16] <mneptok> and the vacation is off to a bang. literally. my wife and i went to the firing range today so she could test out her new pistol. :)
[07:17] <IdleOne> you're here telling us about it so I assume her aim is a little off
[07:17] <IdleOne> :P
[07:18] <mneptok> are you calling my wife stupid?
[07:18] <bazhang> more fun in +1
[07:18] <mneptok> like she'd fulfill a longtime fantasy like with *witnesses* around?
[07:18] <IdleOne> I would never call your wife stupid
[07:20] <IdleOne> Madpilot showing off in +1 with his auto @
[07:21] <Madpilot> just making sure I was still on the list there, that's all.
[07:21] <Madpilot> not trying to scare our quasi-troll at all, rly. Honest.
[07:21] <bazhang> the days when the gave @ to everyone in every channel
[07:21] <bazhang> err they
[07:23] <Madpilot> bazhang, I've seen a couple of channels even here on Freenode where every single regular had @, and "wore" it at all times.
[07:23] <Madpilot> not used to that, I only starting on IRC when I started using Ubuntu...
[07:23] <bazhang> Madpilot, hehe
[07:24] <bazhang> I get auto opped when I join #ubuntu-unregged
[07:32] <IdleOne> back to watching DS9
[08:14] <Kwpolska> who banned my and why?
[08:14] <Kwpolska> me*
[08:17] <bazhang> Kwpolska, I did
[08:18] <Kwpolska> bazhang: y?
[08:18] <bazhang> Kwpolska, you were asked to read the code of conduct and guidelines; you were merely muted at the time
[08:18] <Kwpolska> I read it
[08:18] <Kwpolska> Nobody told me that I shall say you "hey i read the guidelines"
[08:19] <bazhang> and you did not respond, except to express concern about your shell and being able to express "how much Ubuntu sucks"
[08:19] <Kwpolska> fail.
[08:19] <bazhang> you were given a very long time to respond
[08:20] <Kwpolska> I just forgot about it.
[08:20] <bazhang> and as you have a history of disruptive inappropriate behaviour in #ubuntu even changing shells to ban dodge, it was changed to a ban
[08:21] <Kwpolska> I tell people there AGAIN: It wasn't planned.
[08:21] <bazhang> calling people noobs, showing contempt for others and being unhelpful on the whole
[08:21]  * Kwpolska is off.
[08:21] <bazhang> bye
[08:23] <bazhang> Kwpolska, as you seem not to want to resolve this, please exit the channel.
[08:26] <bazhang> !idle | Kwpolska
[13:42] <lhavelund> hey tsimpson
[13:43] <tsimpson> hey :)
[13:43] <lhavelund> :)
[14:08] <jussi> Hes back! the bot GOD is back!
[14:08]  * jussi dances
[14:14] <tsimpson> you prey all you want, I'm a vengeful god :p
[14:30] <Tm_T> hi
[14:30] <bazhang> hi
[14:32] <jpds> hi
[14:34] <jussi> hi
[14:35] <knome> hi
[14:35] <Tm_T> seems like I sent only half of my message to the list... oh well
[14:35] <jussi> Tm_T: !!
[14:35] <jussi> you messed it up!
[14:35] <jussi> :D
[14:35] <knome> it's always him
[14:35] <knome> :<
[14:35] <Tm_T> jussi: Huh?
[14:36]  * jussi points up...
[14:36] <knome> Tm_T, you spoiled our hi-parade
[14:36] <Tm_T> aah
[14:36] <knome> ^ and now he's anjoying it
[14:36] <knome> *en-
[14:38] <Tm_T> /join ##hi-parade
[14:52] <bazhang> [bhah] (asshole@easy.and.friendlydrunk.net): zapp that seems offensive
[15:23] <Kwpolska> bazhang: ping
[15:23] <bazhang> Kwpolska, hi
[15:23] <Kwpolska> I had to go away for few hours
[15:26] <Kwpolska> but yeah, let's return to our discussion
[15:26] <bazhang> Kwpolska, discussion?
[15:26] <bazhang> Kwpolska, you were given the code of conduct and guidelines
[15:27] <bazhang> Kwpolska, you expressed concern only about your shell and not being able to freely express yourself
[15:28] <Kwpolska> I concerned about my shell because I could be removed
[15:28] <Kwpolska> but I read the guidelines
[15:28] <bazhang> Kwpolska, but nothing in reply to following the code of conduct nor guidelines
[15:28] <bazhang> Kwpolska, nor the the underlying issue of why you were muted and then banned
[15:29] <Kwpolska> say, I had no time to care about replying to you
[15:29] <Kwpolska> I ju closed the window and fogot it
[15:30] <Kwpolska> just*
[15:30] <bazhang> Kwpolska, so you wish to discuss the reasons for your ban?
[15:30] <Kwpolska> yeah
[15:30] <bazhang> Kwpolska, and what would those be?
[15:32] <Kwpolska> bazhang: what?
[15:32] <bazhang> Kwpolska, what were the reasons for your mute and subsequent ban
[15:32] <Kwpolska> using words like "n00b".
[15:33] <bazhang> Kwpolska, you've said you read the code of conduct and the guidelines
[15:33] <Kwpolska> I did.
[15:33] <bazhang> and?
[15:33] <bazhang> so the ban was for a single word, in your view?
[15:34] <Kwpolska> and a bit more
[15:34] <bazhang> such as?
[15:34] <Kwpolska> I don't remember.
[15:34] <bazhang> okay.
[15:34] <bazhang> nothing more to discuss then.
[15:35] <Kwpolska> huh?
 I don't remember.
[15:35] <bazhang> we were trying to resolve this issue.
[15:36] <bazhang> but it seems we have come to a standstill.
[15:36] <Kwpolska> The main thing that you banned/quieted me is telling that ubuntu is not a good choice
[15:37] <bazhang> nope.
[15:37] <bazhang> it was the disruptive, unhelpful behaviour
[15:37] <bazhang> showing contempt for others as well
[15:37] <bazhang> this is hardly the first time.
[15:40] <Kwpolska> I know
[15:41] <bazhang> as it's a support channel, that's not useful nor acceptable.
[15:42] <Kwpolska> I know.
[15:48] <Kwpolska> I'm sorry.
[15:49] <bazhang> Kwpolska, it's important to follow the code of conduct and guidelines in #ubuntu and other namespace channels
[15:49] <bazhang> its a shared resource, and lots of newer users come there for assistance
[15:50] <bazhang> so while your personal view may be that Ubuntu is for noobs and debian is for professionals, that is not constructive in such an environment
[15:51] <Kwpolska> Yeah, yeah.
[15:52] <bazhang> okay.
[15:52] <bazhang> Kwpolska, was there anything else?
[15:53] <Kwpolska> no?
[15:54] <bazhang> Kwpolska, okay, then please exit the channel.
[15:55] <bazhang> yikes
[15:57] <elky> Whatthe?
[15:58] <bazhang> don't see any reason to lift the ban, as he has had this issue for some time know
[15:58] <elky> Let me see if I'm translating that correctly...
[15:59] <elky> "If I'm unbanned I'll continue, if I'm not unbanned then I'll hate ubuntu more but from the safety of Elsewhere"
[15:59] <elky> I think I can cope with option b.
[16:28] <jussi> just a FYI, we changed the output of the find command to be a little more useful:
[16:28] <jussi> !find kdebase
[16:30] <jussi> Thanks to tsimpson for implenting it. :)
[16:32] <tsimpson> working with supybot is something I did not miss...
[17:05] <ryanakca> Hmm. Any point in keeping #ubuntu-trivia around? It's still occasionally used (a person or two show up a day an play a trivia game against themselves and then /part), but barely...
[17:06] <ryanakca> The answer decides whether or not I bother to compile eggdrop on my new server and copy over all of the trivia stuff.
[17:06] <IdleOne> seems a shame to close the channel
[17:08] <IdleOne> but I suppose it is up to you
[17:08] <ryanakca> Alright, well, my bot may be offline for a couple of days while I migrate everything.
[17:09]  * ryanakca tacks a note to the topic
[17:09] <ryanakca> Woah, "12:09:12 ::: Topic set by unknown Thu May 29 15:24:17 2008" ... that was a long time ago :)
[17:10] <jussi> ryanakca: *G*
[17:11] <jussi> ryanakca: keep it around - if you can be bothered to maintain the bot, maybe we can get it up and going again - its a good place to send people who are bored :D
[17:11] <ryanakca> lol
[17:12] <jussi> !trivia
[17:12] <jussi> !bored
[17:12] <jussi> !bored is <alias> trivia
[17:12] <jussi> :D
[17:12] <jussi> ryanakca: see above...
[17:13] <ryanakca> jussi: It would be nice if people submitted questions, I'm pretty sure bazhang has memorized them all by now... I used to announce "trivia specials" on Planet Ubuntu (although they weren't any different than any other day) and get 20 or so people to play together, and at the same time I'd ask people to please submit Ubuntu questions, but nobody ever did...
[17:13] <jussi> ryanakca: hrm... lets think about how we could get people to do that. whats the question submission form?
[17:14] <ryanakca> "12:13:12 < Quizbuntu> Top 10: bazhang 1434, Seveas 1034, tonyyarusso 719, awalton__ 625, kling0n 566, spridel 409, greg-g 331, compengi 315, rodserling 313, khermans 280" (apologies for the pings)
[17:15] <ryanakca> jussi: I just plopped my email in my blog post and had people email them to me...
[17:15] <jussi> heh
[17:15] <jussi> ryanakca: if there was a mechanism in the bot it might help?
[17:16] <jussi> ryanakca: something like we have for ubottu?
[17:23] <IdleOne> ryanakca: jussi http://www.egghelp.org/cgi-bin/tcl_archive.tcl?mode=download&id=672  maybe can be adapted for submitting  Q/A
[17:23]  * jussi nominates IdleOne to do it :D
[17:24]  * IdleOne doesn't know tcl
[17:24] <ryanakca> jussi: I don't have the time to add one at the moment, but if there's someone familiar with TCL and who has the time/interest, I can give them access to my server / the bot and they can do it...
[17:25] <jussi> ryanakca: ok, Ill see if theres someone... :D
[17:26] <ryanakca> IdleOne: There's already a report feature to report problem questions, it should be easy enough to extend it to paste the report in here instead of in the 'reports' file.
[17:26]  * jussi hands IdleOne the tcl book
[17:26] <ryanakca> And once you have that done, it would be a breeze to add a new question feature.
[17:26] <IdleOne> :P I am not volunteering to add this feature. I don't know how
[17:26] <ryanakca> Alright. So I'll copy my eggdrop bot over.
[17:27]  * ryanakca thinks IdleOne was voluntold ;)
[17:27] <ryanakca> Should I send an email to ubuntu-irc to see if anybody's interested?
[17:27]  * jussi wonders if tsimpson feels like a new language :P
[17:27] <jussi> ryanakca: yes, thats a good idea
[17:28] <ryanakca> OK
[17:28]  * ryanakca tacks it to his TODO list, it'll get done at some point once I've finished updating the kdepim packages and moving my server.
[17:29] <mati75_> hey!
[17:29] <mati75_> I have a quation
[17:29] <mati75_> Why my host was banned on #ubuntu?
[17:29] <jussi> mati75_: hi
[17:29] <jussi> mati75_: 1 moment please
[17:30] <mati75_> not that
[17:30] <mati75_> vps.rocik.net
[17:30] <jussi> mati75_: ok, 1 sec
[17:31] <mati75_> no problem
[17:31] <jussi> bazhang: about?
[17:32] <jussi> mati75_: have you used any other names on irc? or are there others on your server using irc?
[17:32] <mati75_> i used mati75 nick
[17:33] <mati75_> but it's banned shell server
[17:33] <mati75_> with 12 users
[17:33] <jussi> mati75_: are you the admin for that server?
[17:34] <mati75_> yes
[17:34] <jussi> mati75_: ok, there is a user who was: "removed and banned after more of the same unhelpful, overly aggressive and inappropriate behaviou"
[17:35] <mati75_> ok
[17:35] <mati75_> I find who is
[17:36] <IdleOne> Kwpolska (Kwpolska@vps.rocik.net) has left #ubuntu-ops ("If I am unbanned, then okay, if no, I'll hate ubuntu even more.")
[17:36] <jussi> mati75_: the user is enlik!enlik@vps.rocik.net
[17:37] <mati75_> ok thanks
[17:38] <jussi> so looks like a couple of different users
[18:31] <IdleOne> set +r in #u
[21:25] <alkisg> Hi... silly question, was the idea of #ubuntu somehow splitting to more channels ever discussed? It's a little chaotic... :)
[21:27] <IdleOne> splitting #ubuntu would make it more difficult to manage and provide support.
[21:28] <alkisg> E.g. a lot of people come to #edubuntu while they have ubuntu installed, and when we tell them to ask in #ubuntu for generic ubuntu questions instead, they answer that the tried, but they were overwhelmed there
[21:31] <IdleOne> #ubuntu takes some getting used to but splitting it into #ubuntu-sound, -video, etc would stretch the resources thin. A user who can help in both cases would need to be in both channels.
[21:32] <alkisg> I think the problem is the "getting used to" part, for inexperienced people trying Ubuntu and possibly IRC for the first time that seems difficult
[21:33] <alkisg> Anyway, if it's been discussed, I'm sure I don't have anything new to add :)
[21:33] <IdleOne> alkisg: I know the IRCC is always open to any new ideas that can help new users
[21:34] <IdleOne> alkisg: there is #ubuntu-beginners
[21:34] <IdleOne> smaller, less scroll
[21:34] <alkisg> Well, personally, I tried hanging out in #ubuntu and helping people some times, but I quickly got tired of trying to keep up with all the scrolling up/down :)
[21:35] <alkisg> Cool, I didn't know about that channel
[21:35] <IdleOne> it's a good channel to refer new users to and anybody who wants to help
[21:40] <IdleOne> !idle  | alkisg
[21:40] <alkisg> Sorry!
[22:51] <LjL> hi. i've introduced a new feature in the floodbots, whereby users who join #ubuntu-unregged are allowed in #ubuntu if they answer a security question correctly
[22:51] <LjL> due to the fact that code updating is broken, however, i have only been able to add this to FloodBot1, not to the other three
[22:52] <LjL> so FloodBot1 will need to stay opped in #ubuntu for this to work. please pay attention to that, since otherwise users in -unregged will be quite confused. Bot1 can be opped by typing "op FloodBot1" in #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[22:52] <LjL> also if you want to test the new feature out, part #ubuntu and join #ubuntu-unregged
[22:53] <LjL> i'm also looking for additional security question, so if you have time to spare to write silly simple question/answer couples, you're welcome ;)