[00:00] <Mamarok> the 2.3.1 package in the PPA works fine, so usually we ask those people to upgrade
[00:00] <Sput> ScottK: so before I start investigating moar deeply, I'd like to know if you're using a pristine Qt or one that has been modified in that regard :) either way, providing a patch for kubuntu that adapts to the old behavior should be easy, *if* it's that issue (and not some other thing breaking)
[00:00] <Mamarok> I already reported this when Lucid was released BTW...
[00:00] <shadeslayer> ....
[00:00] <ScottK> Sput: OK I can check.  We do have patches, just no idea if it affects that.
[00:01] <Sput> ScottK: specifically it's Qt commit e6ac1739 that caused the behavior change
[00:03] <ScottK> Mamarok: Is there an "original" bug you've been marking newer reports as a duplicate?
[00:03] <Mamarok> ScottK: I have always closed those reported to bugzilla as downstream
[00:03] <Mamarok> so no major bug I can give you, sorry
[00:04] <Mamarok> didn't check in Launchpad
[00:04] <ScottK> OK. 
[00:06] <ScottK> Sput: Any patches we had would be at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/files in debian/patches, but I can't seem to reach it right now.
[00:06] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171730 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (6 files in 3 dirs) Share a bit more code in MuonMainWindow
[00:10] <Sput> ScottK: thanks. I'll be off for the night soon, but I'd appreciate you pinging me if you figure something out. I have access to a kubuntu user tomorrow which would allow me debugging that issue hopefully
[00:10] <Sput> (can't reach lp either)
[00:12] <Sput> ScottK: worst case I'll provide a patch disabling the workaround and making it work correctly unless all hell breaks loose :)
[00:15] <ScottK> I think my next blog post is Kubuntu Maverick + Intel graphics = Fail
[00:16] <Sput> ScottK: make that s/^.*\+ //
[00:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thats already been documented alot in bugs.launchpad :P
[00:30] <shadeslayer> find something new :)
[00:36] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171739 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (6 files in 3 dirs) A bit more sharing
[00:36] <ScottK> Need to figure out how to blacklist the login effects for Intel to start.
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> oh hey, it works
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> (CIA)
[00:37] <shadeslayer> they fix nvidia and break intel.. ingenious :)
[00:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Intel works.  It just doesn't work very well with KDE 4.5 Kwin.
[00:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:39] <shadeslayer> kwin is too heavy on intel? :P
[00:40] <ScottK> It is now.
[00:40] <ScottK> It's been great up through 4.4.
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> intel drivers don't properly report their capabilites, and now kwin uses functionality that intel improperly reports as supporting
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> (framebuffer based shaders and the like)
[00:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Yes and there is no coordination between the two and we are left holding the bag.
[00:46] <ScottK> Looks like lucid will be the terminal release for my laptop.
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/FIdOO <- new in muon trunk
[00:55] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171746 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp Only listen for jobs started by us
[01:03] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1171747 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ (7 files in 2 dirs) Add Pretty Includes for all public headers
[01:09] <Sput> ScottK: mgraesslin was sitting next to me all day. you should've heard him curse.
[01:14] <ScottK> Sput: At adding lots of new crap that breaks user's systems?
[01:14] <ScottK> Sput: Where were you?
[01:14] <Sput> ScottK: some local KDE hackfest
[01:14] <ScottK> I see.
[01:15] <Sput> with Nightrose, lemma, Torch and some others
[01:15] <Sput> Karli too
[01:15] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171749 * (22 files in 6 dirs) Use new pretty includes in LibQApt
[01:19] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171750 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) More usage of Pretty Includes that I forgot
[01:32] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171756 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add the package origin to the TechnicalDetailsTab
[01:41] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: you rock! I really appreciate it that you spend some quality time in kfn :)
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> :)
[02:02] <ScottK> So did we drop a patch or did upstream introduce a new bug in 4.5.1 kdeedu? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54970126/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.kdeedu_4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:10] <Viper550> Is there a good partitioning tool for qt4?
[05:12] <ScottK> Apparently 3 desktops, 3 netbooks, and a laptop aren't enough to have one system that works right with Maverick (Kwin 4.5 + Intel = endless fail).
[06:58] <ScottK> FYI, it looks like the answer to my kdeedu question is we dropped a patch we shouldn't have.
[06:59] <ScottK> (test building a fix now)
[09:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so I looked, but what do I see?
[09:03] <apachelogger> other than that you are not obeying surrounding code formatting
[09:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: I love me a good docbook fail
[09:12] <apachelogger> ha!
[09:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: from what i gather from the sparse surroudning of that patch in lack of motivation to open the file ... you are doing bogus things
[09:12] <apachelogger> see
[09:13] <apachelogger> the ifs above correct the mime to something proper
[09:13] <apachelogger> there are specific mimetypes for compressed tars and specific mimetypes for compressed postscripts...
[09:13] <apachelogger> you however changed the mime to text/plain which is simply wrong
[09:13] <apachelogger> because it is compressed text/plain
[09:14] <apachelogger> so rekonq tries to open plain text and falls over compression
[09:15] <francisco_t> Hi, who knows about kdepim/akonadi?
[09:18] <apachelogger> francisco_t: morning, #akonadi knows a lot about that stuff ;)
[09:18] <francisco_t> Do you know any bug about duplicates "personal contacts" in kaddressbook/akonadi in maverik beta? (fresh install)
[09:18] <apachelogger> nope
[09:23] <francisco_t> I get two "personal contacts" in kaddressbook (empty), and akonadi have 2 "personal contacts" and 3 "contactos personales" (spanish), repeated?. It's the first boot of kontact.
[09:36] <Sput> meeeh. launchpad still down?
[09:36] <francisco_t> clean install in english, same problem, two "personal contacs" in kaddressbook and 4 resource in akonadi...
[09:36] <Sput> well bazaar.launchpad.net at lesat
[09:38] <yofel> Sput: here too, there were a few people complaining already in #launchpad
[09:40] <Sput> ok
[09:40] <Sput> I really need to know which patches kubuntu applies to qt-4.7-rc1
[09:40] <apachelogger> francisco_t: you really should ask in #akonadi or maybe #kontact
[09:41] <apachelogger> Sput: that can be arranged for
[09:42] <Sput> apachelogger: thanks... since quassel seems to be broken with kubuntu's 4.7-rc1, and I have a victim for debugging nearby currently :)
[09:42] <yofel> Sput: what happens?
[09:42]  * yofel didn't upgrade qt yet
[09:43]  * apachelogger is wondering if starcraft2 is worth its money
[09:43] <Sput> yofel: wordwrap is broken, and it looks like I am applying a workaround that I need to apply to the 4.7 branch of Qt (I'm using that), but somehow don't need to apply on kubuntu's rc1
[09:43] <Sput> apachelogger: it totally is, but it'll destroy your social life
[09:43] <yofel> oh that ^^
[09:43] <apachelogger> I do not have no social life
[09:43] <apachelogger> Sput: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/patches/
[09:44] <apachelogger> the thingies listed in the series file get applied
[09:44] <apachelogger> everything with a kubuntu_ prefix is from us everything else from debian and there partially from qt-copy I suppose
[09:45] <Sput> ok
[09:45] <Sput> mmmpf.
[09:46] <Sput> doesn't look suspicious
[09:46] <Sput> so now I need to figure out why quassel thinks it runs on Qt 4.6
[09:48] <Sput> apachelogger: are you using 4.7-rc1? is your wordwrap broken too?
[09:49] <apachelogger> did not restart quassel yet
[09:49] <apachelogger> Sput: where would I see if wordwrap is broken?
[09:49] <Sput> apachelogger: all words are broken past their first character
[09:50] <apachelogger> looks pretty normal to me here
[09:50] <Sput> huh.
[09:50] <Sput> and I assume you're using quassel-0.7-rc too?
[09:50] <yofel> apachelogger: I do get 'appl\ny' here as word wrap
[09:51] <yofel> v0.8-pre (0.8-pre+2 git-0ec85b3)
[09:51] <Sput> yofel: oh? the other guy here gets a\npply
[09:51] <apachelogger> 0.7-rc1 
[09:51] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot16.png
[09:51] <Sput> this makes things... awkward.
[09:51] <yofel> Sput: still running qt4.7beta
[09:51] <yofel> upgrading qt right now
[09:52] <Sput> yofel: thanks
[09:52] <Sput> apachelogger: meh. and I thought this would be easy.
[09:53] <apachelogger> :P
[09:53] <Sput> all reports for broken wordwrap came from kubuntu users
[09:53] <yofel> heh
[09:53] <apachelogger> that is because we have so many :P
[09:54] <francisco_t> Maybe the bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215945
[09:54] <francisco_t> thanks apachelogger
[09:57] <yofel> Sput: here word wrap looks perfectly fine with rc1
[09:57] <Sput> yofel: ah. as it should be. it being broken with the beta was expected
[09:58] <Sput> apachelogger, yofel: you're using maverick? maybe it's a problem in lucid only
[09:58] <yofel> mav
[09:58] <apachelogger> mav too
[09:58] <Sput> hmmm
[09:58] <Sput> though I think ScottK reported broken wordwrap too
[09:59] <Sput> hmmm, then I should check the patches in the lucid backport package of qt
[09:59] <Sput> ScottK might have been running a 4.7 beta as well
[10:02] <Sput> looks like all the guys reporting broken wordwrap with 4.7-rc1 are also running lucid + backports...
[10:06] <Sput> lol. and running quassel-0.6.1 which doesn't contain the bugfix for qt 4.7...
[10:07] <Sput> problem solved.
[10:07] <apachelogger> how?
[10:07] <apachelogger> do we need to deploy fixness?
[10:08] <Sput> no, but I need to release a 0.6.2 that contains the fix for Qt 4.7
[10:08] <apachelogger> ic
[10:08] <Sput> and I need to figure out if ScottK still has the problem with 4.7-rc1
[10:08] <Sput> here's the gist of it: quassel 0.6 runs well with Qt 4.6, but is broken with Qt 4.7 post beta
[10:09] <Sput> quassel 0.7 runs well with Qt 4.6 and Qt 4.7 post beta, but is broken with Qt 4.7 pre rc1
[10:09] <Sput> that means users with quassel 0.6 and qt 4.7 post rc1 get in trouble
[10:09] <Sput> and all that thanks to the #$%#@!$@$ Nokians changing behavior/return value of a function mid-cycle
[10:10] <apachelogger> surely brisbane is at fault! :P
[10:10]  * apachelogger adores multimediakit
[10:10]  * Sput makes a 0.6.2 release
[10:11]  * apachelogger still finds it silly that amarok can filter stupid resources
[10:12] <apachelogger> I always type in my search and expect it to come up with actual music
[10:12] <apachelogger> wir fahrn fahrn fahrn auf der autobahn *sing*
[10:15] <yofel> lol
[10:19] <jussi> apachelogger: you always wanted to shoot a bear... right? :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ba1BqJ4S2M&feature=player_embedded
[10:20]  * jussi giggles
[10:22] <apachelogger> I am the flash inside your heart
[10:24] <apachelogger> oh
[10:24] <apachelogger> <3 identica
[10:38] <apachelogger> did anyone upload l10n for 4.5.1 to the ppa?
[10:45] <mfraz74> had to remove ktorrent this morning and then reinstall it as it wouldn't upgrade properly
[11:16] <Mamarok> claydoh, Riddell: JFYI, I set the user bhaskarsharma on moderation in the kubuntu-users ML. He is not using KDE and only bashing about it.
[11:16] <Mamarok> and we should maybe just remind people that suggesting to change desktop is not a solution when people ask for help
[11:16] <Mamarok> There are too many folks who don't even run KDE, no idea what they are doing in that ML
[11:26] <apachelogger> hm
[11:27] <apachelogger> I wonder why suse's funambol 8 got a soverison and ruphy's funambol 9 snapshot does not
[11:35] <mfraz74> Mamarok: i agree, switching to gnome isn't a solution.
[11:39] <Mamarok> mfraz74: the users are on this mailing list because they use Kubuntu, so suggesting to switch to Gnome is just not acceptable.
[11:40] <Mamarok> I wonder what would happen if somebody would go to the ubuntu-users list and tell people to switch to KDE...
[11:40] <mfraz74> Mamarok: exactly
[11:40] <Sput> Mamarok: only good things, obviously.
[11:42] <Mamarok> Sput: oh please try, I would love to see the flameware ;)
[11:42] <mfraz74> lol
[11:43] <apachelogger> hm
[11:43] <apachelogger> you know
[11:43] <apachelogger> that would be just the right thing for a boring sunday afternoon
[11:58]  * apachelogger shouts at funambol
[12:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping?
[12:34] <apachelogger> oh
[12:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: love your blog post 
[12:39] <apachelogger> "Canonical hat zusätzlich die Browseralternative Rekonq beigelegt, die standardmäßig eine Webkit-Engine mitbringt."
[12:39] <apachelogger> fsck.ext4
[12:40] <apachelogger> Mamarok: they just made me cry again
[12:40] <yofel> alternative? wasn't that the default? o.O (or is that for gnome o.O?)
[12:40] <apachelogger> also note how kubuntu is coming from canonical but ubuntu from the ubuntu team
[12:40] <apachelogger> or is the ubuntu team a group within canonical
[12:40] <Mamarok> apachelogger: *hugs*
[12:40]  * apachelogger is going to throw up now and switch to opensuse
[12:41]  * Mamarok goes to Golem telling them how stupid they are
[12:47] <Mamarok> apachelogger: comment sent
[13:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got it :)
[13:18] <jussi> yay for dolphin freezes...
[13:18]  * jussi updates
[13:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anyways, im now following what kate does, on the fly decompression
[13:21] <apachelogger> openfate is like brainstorm completely useless -.-
[13:23] <shadeslayer> btw ubiquity is now awesome! it installs and asks for your details side by side
[13:45]  * 52AACAD66 is away: Zurzeit abwesend
[14:07]  * 52AACAD66 is back.
[14:10] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot17.png
[14:11] <shadeslayer> nice
[14:11] <shadeslayer> does it work? :D
[14:12] <sheytan> Hey guys
[14:13] <sheytan> if ive got ubuntu, can i compile kde from trunk?
[14:13] <sheytan> i mean, when i install dev packages, will it not install the whole KDE? :D
[14:15] <Mamarok> 52AACAD66: please disable your away messages
[14:17] <shadeslayer> sheytan: sort of, id say install normal ubuntu + some dev packages > compile kdesupport with cmakekde > compile rest of the stuff
[14:17] <shadeslayer> see techbase, i compiled KDE trunk last night
[14:17] <sheytan> ok, thanks ;)
[14:17] <sheytan> I don't have time to play with slack to compile KDE :D
[14:17] <sheytan> it take too much time
[14:18] <apachelogger> sheytan: of course it does!!!
[14:18] <shadeslayer> hmm.. im not getting any backtraces.. :S
[14:29] <sheytan> Do we have a lucid backport of the current rekonq?
[14:39] <apachelogger> Mamarok: thanks for commenting
[14:40] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, I hope it helps, we should actually try to get hold of the author of that article, this is the secnod time he gets it wrong
[14:40] <Mamarok> don't know if they actually read comments
[14:41] <Mamarok> apachelogger: we could target the author of the article directly: jt@golem.de
[14:42] <Mamarok> if they get it wrong again, that's certainly something we should do
[14:42] <apachelogger> AFAIK they tend to at times
[14:42] <apachelogger> not sure why since their comments are just as crappy as heise's
[14:43] <apachelogger> and obviously the news aint much better
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> bleh, the virtuoso backport for lucid broke nepomuk \o/
[15:11] <apachelogger> ni-pomuk
[15:11] <apachelogger> ni! ni! ni!
[15:11] <apachelogger> :D
[15:22] <maco> apachelogger: have you been knighted?
[15:24] <apachelogger> maco: by the king of the britons himself! ;)
[15:24] <ScottK> Mamarok: I got all depressed about the state of Kwin in 4.5 and forgot about your amarok issue.  What was the missing package again?
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm currently concocting a plan where we drop back to kwin from 4.4, update kdedpim to 4.4.6, and release two weeks late so we can have 4.5.2 for the rest and then the story has a happy ending.
[15:26]  * ScottK didn't test the whole older version of kwin idea yet though.  That's the most uncertain bit.
[15:26] <maco> whats wrong with the rest of 4.5.1 that needs to wait til 4.5.2?
[15:27] <maco> everything that's not kwin seems pretty nice
[15:27] <maco> though... while we're picking on kwin...
[15:28] <maco> when i switch from netbook to desktop UI and from air-for-netbook to air, itd be really nice if it added titlebars and buttons to the windows instead of just resizing them small and leaving them without buttons
[15:28] <maco> only *new* windows get buttons
[15:28] <Nightrose> ScottK: i'm sitting here with martin if he can help with anything
[15:28] <Nightrose> wrt kwin
[15:31] <ScottK> maco: That's not kwin.  That's agateau's work.
[15:31] <ScottK> (I'm pretty sure)
[15:31] <maco> oh?
[15:32] <maco> i figured window borders = kwin. whatd agateau do to it?
[15:32] <ScottK> Actually I'm not sure.
[15:32] <ScottK> The menubar stuff affects that too.
[15:33] <ScottK> I'd ask him, in any case, he can tell you.
[15:33] <maco> ok
[15:37] <ompaul> someone might want to look at that and update it (drive by bug reports don't you hate them ;-) ) http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[15:39] <mgraesslin_> ScottK: it does not sound like a good idea to drop kwin to 4.4 - you might very easily break Plasma
[15:40] <ScottK> mgraesslin_: I expect it won't work, but I find 4.5 a regression on all the hardware I actually own.
[15:40] <mgraesslin_> so let's try to fix it
[15:41] <ScottK> Your solution of just blacklisting hardware is no solution in my book.  Yes it lets the systems run, but less well than they did with 4.4.
[15:41] <mgraesslin> there are other solutions
[15:42] <mgraesslin> we have to try to find the real solution
[15:42] <ScottK> OK.  I'm open to working on it.
[15:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: I just pushed a missing patch in bzr to get kdeedu to build on armel.  Unfortunately it now FTBFS.  Would you please find a minion to fix it (I'm far too depressed).
[15:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: as I understand it dropping to kwin 4.4 would only be a temprorary solution anyway? so we could just use blacklisting as intermediate fix and then get a proper solution with 4.5.2?
[15:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[15:43]  * mgraesslin is looking for the bugreport - there are some ideas
[15:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: we are low on minions these days
[15:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: We'd have to delay the release for htat.
[15:44]  * apachelogger thinks of it as releasing on-original-time instead of with-regression
[15:44] <ScottK> Right.
[15:45] <mgraesslin> ScottK: the regression might be what's listed in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241402#c42
[15:45] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I have seen that as part of the problem.
[15:45] <mgraesslin> so if you revert it, does it work?
[15:46] <nixternal> i just witnessed that bug report actually...on intel *gasp*
[15:46] <mgraesslin> or does LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 kwin --replace & fix the problem
[15:46] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Here are the bugs I've filed (with hardware specifics) on Launchpad.  If it would be helpful to have any of these on bugs.kde.org, I'll send them there too: Bug 630632 Bug 630580 Bug 630530 Bug 628930.
[15:47] <ScottK> Let me switch to a system that has that problem and see.
[15:47] <mgraesslin> for me it's very difficult to do anything about it as the only Intel system I have access to for development is not showing the problem
[15:47] <ScottK> I didn't actually test reverting yet.  That will take some time to put together
[15:48] <nixternal> I also note that with compositing enabled, and using Chrome to view Google Reader, if there are a lot of unread feeds, when I go to the folder with the feeds, it has a messed up view until you scroll down/up. then it clears everything up
[15:48] <ScottK> nixternal: What graphics hardware?
[15:48] <nixternal> intel of course
[15:48] <ScottK> Which?
[15:49] <nixternal> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[15:49]  * JontheEchidna slaps ubottu
[15:49] <nigelb> who triggered ubottu :)
[15:50] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I just replicated that freeze on my netbook.  Now I'll try it with LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 kwin --replace
[15:52] <apachelogger> nigelb: nixternal did
[15:54]  * nigelb kicks ubottu 
[15:54] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot18.png
[15:55] <mgraesslin> btw the only real fix will be to have Intel drivers not saying that they support things they do not support. Maybe you have better internal contacts to get these things fixed
[15:55] <ScottK> mgraesslin: That was interesting.  As soon as I restarted kwin in indirect, compositing was enabled.  trying to change effects settings resulted in http://paste.ubuntu.com/488789/
[15:56] <ScottK> The changed did take effect though.  It looked like the crash was as it was starting.
[15:56] <mgraesslin> yeah we get about 10 such crashes per week
[15:57] <ScottK> OK.
[15:57] <ScottK> Crash and restart is better than a frozen desktop.
[15:57] <mgraesslin> that looks like the issue of Intel not being able to handle two Gl Contexts in short time
[15:58] <mgraesslin> ScottK: if you revert that patch, you have to disable blur by default
[15:58] <mgraesslin> and we have to patch the lanczos filter
[15:58] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:59] <mgraesslin> we did that change to direct rendering, because of the brokeness before
[15:59] <ScottK> Is there something that can be done about the Intel/two Gl context problem?  Slow it down?
[15:59] <mgraesslin> if I were able to reproduce it....
[16:00] <ScottK> If only apachelogger would send you his netbook.  His is the same as mine.
[16:00] <ScottK> He's close enough you might actually get it.
[16:01] <maco> oooh that indirect=1 thing made mine stop flickering on show-all-the-windows mode
[16:01] <mgraesslin> the solution would be to not load blur and lanczos if we are in direct rendering
[16:01] <ScottK> maco: Yours is intel too, right?
[16:02] <mgraesslin> I just checked our api and we do not expose it :-(
[16:02] <maco> everything i own is intel. i dont trust ati and nvidia to not do stupid things like drop support
[16:02] <ScottK> Heh.
[16:02] <mgraesslin> but it's something I wanted to have for 4.6 anyway
[16:02] <ScottK> mgraesslin: OK.  So what can we do then?
[16:03] <mgraesslin> as I am just at a sprint I have a look on it right now
[16:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:03] <nixternal> I am glad this GL shit makes sense to someone. I think I just pulled out the most hair ever looking at it. I will leave this stuff to the super nerds, *cough* mgraesslin *cough* :p
[16:04] <nigelb> I don't trust Intel enough to work :/
[16:04] <maco> when i get home i can try using kwin on my other laptops too and see how a 945 does (i dont think that was on your list, ScottK?)
[16:04]  * maco blinks 
[16:04] <maco> why does this window have a titlebar?
[16:04] <nigelb> Running Debian because anything newer than Karmic doesn't work on this @#$$##$^ :/
[16:04] <ScottK> maco: The netbook is 945.
[16:05] <ScottK> So is my laptop and one of the desktops.
[16:05] <maco> oh ok. i have 945, 965, and whatevers on a atom n450
[16:05] <nixternal> Intel has always worked for me, never once have I had an issue, never once have I had to use some piece of shit proprietary driver, never once did I not have a projector not work when giving a presentation, and never once did I have to open some stupid nvidia app and click this or that 20 times, reboot 4 times, and then click some more just to get a 640x480 presentation resolution on a high definition projector. </case>
[16:06] <nixternal> but...KDE 4.5.1 is working flawlessly on my lappy with an nvidia gpu :p
[16:06] <maco> nixternal: one of my laptops stopped speaking vga recently :(  the 965 wouldnt talk to the projector at SELF
[16:06] <apachelogger> ScottK, mgraesslin: I can send if desired, I could also deliver it personally and then visit Nightrose ;)
[16:06] <nigelb> nixternal: now is once ;)
[16:06] <maco> OH OH OH
[16:07] <nixternal> \o/  ^o^  o(  /o\
[16:07] <ScottK> nixternal: Yes, but we know about you and proprietary software.
[16:07] <nixternal> it's fun to stay at the...Y M C A
[16:07] <maco> i requested that Okular be the PDF viewer installed on the laptops at OLF for people giving presentations from pdf slides, and they said yes :)
[16:07] <shadeslayer> whut
[16:07] <mgraesslin> wstephenson already offered me access to a Notebook
[16:07] <nigelb> nixternal: hahahaha
[16:07] <maco> because okular's little circle thing on the corner showing how far through your slides you are is awesome
[16:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whut
[16:07] <shadeslayer> i dont understand a word
[16:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> something about kwin
[16:08] <shadeslayer> you and Scott were having a discussion
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kwin is broken and I am offering to send around netbooks for testing :P
[16:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at kdeedu in bzr.  Update the package with that, test build and then once it FTBFS, fix that.
[16:08] <shadeslayer> oh... id like one :D
[16:08] <apachelogger> not to india!!! :P
[16:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The kwin discussion is a separate one.
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill pay for shipping :P
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, kdeedu is FTBFS because ScottK did not QA a patch
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ohk .. can fix that
[16:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and now you are the lucky guy who is going to fix it and win eternal gratitude
[16:09] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'll sponsor it one you've fixed it.
[16:09] <shadeslayer> m
[16:09] <nixternal> jeesh, just throw ScottK under the bus there apachelogger :p
[16:09] <nigelb> apachelogger: think of the possiblities - a vacaaaation in India!
[16:09] <ScottK>  + gratitude and stuff.
[16:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sure :)
[16:09] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:09] <shadeslayer> i was free anyways.. watching House :P
[16:10] <ScottK> nixternal: He hides that the real issue was my mistake believing him when he said it was ready for upload, he just lacked the bandwidth to do it.
[16:10] <apachelogger> I did not say it was ready :P
[16:10] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: when was that patch removed?
[16:11] <apachelogger> cause I didnt see it last I checked bzr log
[16:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: 4.5.0b -> 4.5.1 and it's not fixed upstream.
[16:11] <ScottK> Maybe it never made it into bzr.
[16:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: that does not appear in bzr
[16:11] <ScottK> Someone forgot bzr add.
[16:11] <apachelogger> yeah, that would explain it
[16:12] <shadeslayer> IIRC isnt the qreal patch applied upstream?
[16:12] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not for 4.5.1 it's not.
[16:12] <ScottK> It may have been after.
[16:13] <shadeslayer> and it FTBFS's in genral right? not specifically for ARM
[16:13]  * apachelogger has too many open windows
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: usrc:kdeedu
[16:14] <apachelogger> use the force
[16:14] <apachelogger> oh not uploade
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: malinformed URL ....
[16:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[16:14] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:14]  * shadeslayer has Neon
[16:14] <ScottK> It's specially FTBFS on armel in the archive.  The test build I did overnight failed on i386.
[16:15] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:18]  * mgraesslin is just compiling a possible patch
[16:18] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: for edu ?
[16:19] <mgraesslin> for kwin
[16:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: He's an upstream kwin developer.  Kdeedu is all yours.
[16:20] <shadeslayer> ohh :P
[16:20] <shadeslayer> whats the problem in kwin? 
[16:20] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: you do not read planetkde, do you?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: ive been out of touch for the past 2-3 days
[16:21] <shadeslayer> likewise for xkcd as well....
[16:22] <mgraesslin> ScottK: possible patch http://pastebin.com/mPgKiEb3
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i made planetkde :P
[16:23] <shadeslayer> sort of
[16:23] <shadeslayer> ( read adjams entry )
[16:23] <mgraesslin> it compiles and compositing still works with nvidia
[16:28] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I'll give it a try.  It will take me a while.
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not follow... Riddell made planetkde pretty much :P
[16:32] <apachelogger> hence it is using pyth0rn software IIRC ;)
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hahaha.. i meant look at adjams post
[16:33] <apachelogger> what post where?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/sucking-weekends/
[16:34] <apachelogger> oh
[16:34] <shadeslayer> ...
[16:34] <apachelogger> you are the sucking? :O
[16:34] <shadeslayer> yeah i get that response
[16:34] <shadeslayer> s/get/got
[16:34] <apachelogger> or were you one of the mind masturbat0rs
[16:34] <shadeslayer> from #kde-devel ...
[16:34] <apachelogger> ah
[16:34] <shadeslayer> the latter
[16:34] <shadeslayer> the txt.gz problem :P
[16:34] <apachelogger> adjams saw that?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> i think yes
[16:35] <apachelogger> well
[16:35] <apachelogger> the person who said it does that a lot ^^
[16:35] <apachelogger> same thing when you go ask something with a kubuntu flag in your hand ;)
[16:35] <shadeslayer> heh.. 
[16:36] <shadeslayer> ill be off for a while, kdeedu building
[16:37] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1171877 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/ (UpdaterWindow.cpp UpdaterWindow.h) Return to the updater view when errors occur
[16:37]  * apachelogger makes a gitorious project
[16:38] <apachelogger> http://gitorious.org/kcm-qt-graphicssystem/kcm-qt-graphicssystem
[16:38] <apachelogger> if someone wants to try it 
[16:38] <apachelogger> bbiab
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> neat, I know some people have been wanting that ^^
[17:00] <mgraesslin> ScottK: I also attached the patch to the bug report for "cloud testing"
[17:01] <ScottK> mgraesslin: While I'm waiting for kdebase-workspace to compile, it would help a lot if I could get a list of the capabilities Intel is misreporting (or some idea how to figure it out).  Canonical does have people that can talk to Intel if I can tell them what needs to be communicated.
[17:02] <mgraesslin> the list is rather short: we need framebuffer objects and shaders
[17:02] <mgraesslin> and in inderict rendering mode the unsupported (impossible) extensions should be removed
[17:02] <mgraesslin> that's nothing I can provide as that's something only the driver developers can know
[17:06] <ScottK> OK.
[17:15] <mgraesslin> ScottK: if they need a reference: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173556#c41
[17:15] <mgraesslin> that's how NVIDIA does it
[17:15] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think I am going to release that as 1.0
[17:32] <apachelogger> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=129817
[17:37] <sheytan> apachelogger is this new kmail icon in tray? :D
[17:37] <apachelogger> no
[17:37] <apachelogger> sekrit
[17:38] <sheytan> what is it for? ;D
[17:38] <apachelogger> for sekrit things :P
[17:38] <apachelogger> that is the message-indicator plasmoid actually
[17:38] <sheytan> Ooh :D
[17:39] <sheytan> hope kmail will have such icon  :D
[17:42]  * ScottK considers adding a "Where were you when LP was closed" comment to Benjamin Mako Hill's blog.
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: that was in the past, no one cares about that now
[17:44]  * ScottK has plenty of grumpiness to spread around today.
[17:44] <apachelogger> me too :D
[17:44] <apachelogger> but that is no news :D
[17:44]  * apachelogger wonders if it is rekonq that messes up cookies or if his cookie settings are broken
[17:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think maybe we ought to generalize the kubuntu-firefox-installer into kubuntu-browser-that-doesnt-suck-installer and have chromium for an option too.
[17:46] <apachelogger> let me quickly envision a UI for that
[17:46] <apachelogger> yah, entirely possible
[17:46] <apachelogger> oh, I do have no inkscape, how sad
[17:47]  * apachelogger uses googe draw thing instead
[17:47]  * sheytan is going to test pim beta3
[17:47]  * ScottK prods at shadeslayer over kdeedu
[17:50] <apachelogger> that almost killedmy hand now
[17:50] <apachelogger> what a horrible thing to use
[17:50] <apachelogger> also rekonq fails it
[17:51] <apachelogger> every second draw operation it fails to paint the drawing area for some reason
[17:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot20.png
[17:51] <apachelogger> alternatively one could have gigantic green accept icons next to each browser and have individual install operations
[17:51] <ScottK> Nicely reinforces the need for the change though.
[17:52] <apachelogger> which probably makes more sense since the user only will want one (hopefully)
[17:52] <ScottK> Yeah.  That would work.
[17:54] <sheytan> apachelogger gigantic icons aren't sexy. Trust me :P
[17:55] <apachelogger> this is about ease of use not sex
[17:55] <apachelogger> if I wanted sex I would draw a butterfly as background
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping!!
[18:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: I still think we should just ship firefox by default
[18:01] <apachelogger> that was my favored solution all along
[18:02] <ScottK> It sort of sucks too, IMO.
[18:03] <sheytan> apachelogger when somethings looks bad it isn't easy to use. Not for me :P
[18:03] <shadeslayer> PONG
[18:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: it at least renders properly and is one of those that most website creators actually try to work in
[18:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does your rekonq loose cookies?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it sems to build fine
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no..
[18:04] <shadeslayer> but mine is a bit outdated
[18:04] <apachelogger> I just reset my cookiejar and yet it looses cookies
[18:04] <shadeslayer> like 12 hours outdated
[18:04] <sheytan> apachelogger will this work full screen like the ff installer?
[18:04] <apachelogger> I am seeing this longer
[18:04] <apachelogger> much longer
[18:05] <shadeslayer> no more commits i see
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: want build log?
[18:05] <apachelogger> the launchpad issue I was ranting about which turned out to be a rekonq problem was also related to cookies..
[18:05] <shadeslayer> its fully built without issues
[18:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe, dunno
[18:05] <apachelogger> it will be the ff installer just with more options for that matter
[18:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also this is rekonq with kde svn
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any steps to reproduce your issue?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/488833/
[18:08] <shadeslayer> might take a while to load... 5 MB build log
[18:10] <apachelogger> bug 250298 \o/
[18:11] <apachelogger> kde bug 250298
[18:11] <apachelogger> actually
[18:11]  * apachelogger never reported that much bugs against one product on bko
[18:11] <apachelogger> ...and I use do to be in a relationship with amarok...
[18:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: feel free to drop me a mockup of sexy design btw
[18:12] <sheytan> apachelogger well, i'll  try ;)
[18:13] <shadeslayer> \o/ rekonq frooze up trying to open that bug
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: i hope you backtraced that :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it was just a freeze, it opens now :D
[18:14] <apachelogger> like in it continued to work?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> yes...
[18:14] <shadeslayer> froze up for like 5 seconds...
[18:14] <apachelogger> silly crap
[18:15] <apachelogger> does do that loads of times here come to think of it
[18:15] <apachelogger> mostly when I am on hardcore javascript foo
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw when i login to gmail > close rekonq > open rekonq and go to gmail, it works
[18:15]  * apachelogger actually wanted to blog
[18:15] <apachelogger> but since rekonq does not let me
[18:15] <apachelogger> kubotu_: yo
[18:16] <shadeslayer> :O
[18:16]  * shadeslayer hugs kubotu_
[18:16]  * shadeslayer hugs jussi
[18:16] <kubotu_> re apachelogger :)
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cookies are persistent across rekonq sessions, most likely because of kio_http being persistent
[18:16] <apachelogger> so gmail works for me too as long as I do not log out
[18:16] <apachelogger> wordpress however fails immediately
[18:16] <shadeslayer> lemme try
[18:17] <apachelogger> which now prevents me from blogging
[18:17] <apachelogger> oh
[18:17] <apachelogger> hold on
[18:17] <apachelogger> blogilo to the rescue
[18:17] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:17] <shadeslayer> yes :P
[18:17] <Mamarok> ScottK: sorry, was afk, it is not requiring a MySQL package as a hard dependency, no problem for KDE users as those have it installed  by default, only causes problems for non-KDE users
[18:17] <Mamarok> IIRC it is mysql-server-core
[18:18]  * shadeslayer doesnt remember his wp username
[18:18] <apachelogger> mine is torchwood
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apparently mine is shadeslayer1
[18:19] <shadeslayer> who knew... :P
[18:19] <apachelogger> why 1?
[18:19] <apachelogger> are you coming in multiple iterations?
[18:19] <apachelogger> when will we get the upgrade?
[18:19] <apachelogger> do we have to pay for it?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> because shadeslayer.wp wasnt available ;D
[18:20] <shadeslayer> hhahahaha
[18:20] <apachelogger> how long do we get security updates for shadeslayer1?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> there will only be one version.. shadeslayer1 :P
[18:20] <apachelogger> meh
[18:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:20] <shadeslayer> :'(
[18:20] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:20] <shadeslayer> kubotu: stay!
[18:21]  * apachelogger wanted shadeslayer4 with shadeslayershell and zeitshade
[18:21] <shadeslayer> zeitshade? :P
[18:21] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:21] <apachelogger> ah
[18:21] <apachelogger> those users
[18:21] <apachelogger> not even saying thank you when I fix a bug in less than 2 hours
[18:21] <apachelogger> including build time that is
[18:22] <Mamarok> ScottK: actually, it is libmysqlclient16, which in turn should drag in more MySQL packages
[18:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: works for me
[18:23] <Mamarok> namely mysql-common
[18:23]  * shadeslayer should really blog
[18:24] <apachelogger> Mamarok: amarok depends on libmysqlclient16 (>= 5.1.21-1)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw theres a updated version of shadeslayer, shadeslayer90 on skype
[18:25] <shadeslayer> you might want that
[18:25] <apachelogger> on skype?
[18:25] <apachelogger> talking about skype
[18:25] <apachelogger> I wanted to do something fancy with skype
[18:25] <shadeslayer> wp seems to work for me
[18:25] <apachelogger> but eventually forgot about it
[18:26]  * apachelogger is wondering when JT will get rid of gdebi
[18:26] <shadeslayer> yep.. i even closed rekonq and started it again, and it works
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your on rekonq git?
[18:27]  * shadeslayer is also thinking of buying a VPS
[18:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yus
[18:29] <shadeslayer> works for me
[18:29] <shadeslayer> BUT... i have outdated qt... im just updating now
[18:30] <shadeslayer> and im on KDE svn... 
[18:31] <shadeslayer> :O
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: look at favicon of brainstorm.ubuntu
[18:32] <shadeslayer> drupal favicon :P
[18:34] <apachelogger> you broke it
[18:35] <sheytan> apachelogger where kubuntu-firefox-installer stores its data?
[18:35] <sheytan> llike images
[18:36] <sheytan> nvm, i found it ;P
[18:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nah.. it should show kubuntu icon.. drupal broke it
[18:37] <apachelogger> hm
[18:37] <apachelogger> true
[18:38] <tim> hi, on ubuntu maverick, how can i install the pluginconfigpageinterface.h header? it used to be part of the kdesdk-dev package ...
[18:38] <apachelogger> I wonder if other browsers do show the ubuntu cion
[18:38] <shadeslayer> they wont
[18:38] <shadeslayer> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/favicon.ico <<
[18:38] <apachelogger> hi tim
[18:38] <apachelogger> tim: what does that header do?
[18:38] <apachelogger> !find pluginconfigpageinterface.h
[18:39] <apachelogger> !find pluginconfigpageinterface.h maverick
[18:39] <apachelogger> interesting
[18:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: silly
[18:39] <tim> apachelogger, it defines the plugin interface for kate
[18:39] <apachelogger> oh
[18:39] <tim> i'm trying to install a kate plugin
[18:40] <apachelogger> that might have moved to kdelibs or maybe kdevplatform 
[18:40] <tim> apachelogger, but the package database doesn't find it ... also packages.ubuntu.com doesn't
[18:41] <apachelogger> hmm
[18:41] <apachelogger> let me have a look
[18:42] <apachelogger> tim: someone thought it is a good idea to kill the dev package
[18:42] <apachelogger> debian it seems
[18:43] <tim> apachelogger, without providing the content in some other package?
[18:43] <apachelogger> yup
[18:43] <apachelogger> it is listed as not-installed with comment "#devstuff"
[18:43] <apachelogger> lex79: pingy
[18:43] <lex79> o/
[18:43] <apachelogger> lex79: since you merged that, did you look into that more in detail?
[18:44] <lex79> which paclage?
[18:44] <lex79> *package
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude im not getting backtraces!!! in kde SVN
[18:44] <apachelogger> lex79: kdesdk(-dev)
[18:45] <apachelogger> well, you will need a dbg package most obviously :P
[18:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or do you have a handcrafted build?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> no like.. not even one line :P
[18:45] <lex79> what's the problem?
[18:45] <apachelogger> in that case you would need to build with debug enabled
[18:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: used cmakekde
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ohhhh
[18:45] <shadeslayer> that and one more thing..
[18:45] <apachelogger> lex79: since r72 it is gone (merged away one could say ;))
[18:45] <apachelogger> lex79: problem is that it contained for example the headers that are necessary to build 3rd party kate plugins
[18:47] <lex79> Remove kdesdk-dev. It is not used and we aren't actually handling the libraries as we should.
[18:47] <lex79> by [ Sune Vuorela ]
[18:48] <lex79> maybe Debian doesn't need it
[18:48] <lex79> do we use kdesdk-dev?
[18:48] <apachelogger> tim wants to
[18:48] <apachelogger> it is not like we are packaging for us, is it? :P
[18:49] <lex79> well, we can readd it if we want
[18:49] <apachelogger> lex79: well, we could create likate(-dev) and upstream that to debian too
[18:50] <lex79> likate-dev? what's mean likate? lol
[18:50] <apachelogger> libkate :P
[18:50] <lex79> oh ok
[18:51] <apachelogger> lex79: libkateinterfaces actually
[18:51] <lex79> -dev ?
[18:51] <apachelogger> and that
[18:51] <apachelogger> both
[18:52] <apachelogger> libkateinterfaces<whateversoversionthathas> && libkateinterfaces-dev
[18:52] <apachelogger> seems to be the only shared lib other than usr/lib/libktexteditor_codesnippets_core.so.0.0.1
[18:52] <apachelogger> in kate anyway
[18:52] <tim> apachelogger, lex79, it seems, that debian doesn't provide this header at all ... before adding it, maybe there is a way to generate from the kdesdk package?
[18:52] <apachelogger> also from http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdesdk/kate/plugins/externaltools/CMakeLists.txt?revision=853859&view=markup I gather it is the lib plugins need to link against
[18:53] <lex79> I think they are in not-installed file
[18:53] <apachelogger> lex79: yep
[18:53] <apachelogger> marked "#devstuff"
[18:53] <sheytan> apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/OH1FH.jpg
[18:53] <apachelogger> lex79: are you going to introduce those packages and talk to sune?
[18:53] <sheytan> change text on install button to 'install firefox' when firefox is selected
[18:53]  * apachelogger should be blogging :P
[18:54] <lex79> it's easy make the packages and move the files from not-installed
[18:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what if we want to add another browser?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> wha
[18:54] <lex79> apachelogger: but I have no time now, I can do tomorrow
[18:54] <apachelogger> eh
[18:54] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: what if we want to add another browser?
[18:54] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ^^
[18:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sry
[18:54] <shadeslayer> no problemo
[18:54] <lex79> or this night maybe
[18:54] <apachelogger> lex79: maybe shadeslayer wants to do it ^^
[18:54] <sheytan> apachelogger, you make the white background wider :P
[18:54] <apachelogger> lex79: also, we need more minios
[18:54] <sheytan> make it svg and you're home
[18:55] <lex79> apachelogger: it's a minion work this
[18:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna do some library package messing?
[18:55] <shadeslayer> no more work for tonight :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> tommorow i can do it
[18:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: I was more thinkig about space constraints here
[18:55] <apachelogger> vertical scrollbars are devil
[18:55] <lex79> apachelogger: I think I know how to get involved more minions but I still have to think about it :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh forgot to mention, the symbols file needs updating
[18:56] <sheytan> apachelogger well, you will not add 10 browsers, are you? :D
[18:56] <apachelogger> lex79: I shall come visit and bring choclate chip cookies with me if you drag along 5 more minions ^^
[18:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: why not?
[18:56] <apachelogger> because
[18:56] <apachelogger> technically we are already at 3
[18:56] <sheytan> If you don't want to make that image wider then scall it down, change its height :)
[18:56] <apachelogger> firefox, chromium, konqueror
[18:56] <shadeslayer> firefox is cool and safe.. whatever... lol
[18:56] <apachelogger> I am not even sure those 3 would fit on a netbook in that design
[18:57] <sheytan> apachelogger, make the icons smaller, add in one row 3-4 icons, and 2 icons in a column
[18:57] <lex79> apachelogger: I read in the log that you make kcm raster :)
[18:57] <apachelogger> lex79: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KCM+Qt+Graphics+System?content=129817
[18:57] <apachelogger> that is what I wanted to blog about but people keep interrupting :P
[18:57] <sheytan> apachelogger that way you will have 6 or 8 browsers
[18:58] <sheytan> want a mock?
[18:58] <apachelogger> sheytan: please
[18:58] <sheytan> sure
[18:58]  * apachelogger needs to go ask seele on a thumbs up on that stuff anyway
[18:59] <sheytan> btw, are we playing windows? :D
[18:59] <lex79> apachelogger: why not in desktop effects kcm instead in a new kcm one ?
[18:59] <sheytan> with that browsers :D
[18:59] <apachelogger> lex79: cause upstream doesnt want it
[18:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on of the admins of b.u.c fixed favicon
[18:59] <lex79> silly upstream
[18:59] <apachelogger> lex79: also it does not really have to do anything with desktop effects
[18:59]  * apachelogger has a word order issue now
[18:59] <lex79> in advanced tab it does
[19:00] <apachelogger> lex79: no
[19:00] <apachelogger> that is other stuff :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> that is desktop effects
[19:00] <lex79> oh right :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> that setting is about QWidget rendering
[19:00] <shadeslayer> bye guys .. off to sleep
[19:00] <lex79> yeah yeah
[19:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cool, can you now fix up kate foo so that tim can build his kate plugin? :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> meh
[19:00] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nini
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can fix tommorow :)
[19:01] <shadeslayer> cya till tmmrw then
[19:01] <apachelogger> tim: as soon as someone stops making up excuses for not fixing it you should get a new dev package for kate plugins ;)
[19:02] <tim> apachelogger, great!
[19:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is kdeedu fixed?
[19:04] <ScottK> Mamarok: apachelogger is correct.  amarok on Lucid already depends on libmysqlclient16, so that's not it.
[19:05] <ScottK> Bad shadeslayer.  Didn't push his changes.
[19:06] <Mamarok> well, the error is that non-KDE users don't have any mysql installed after installing Amarok, what else than a dependency issue would cause that
[19:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: I got the impression it built just like that for him
[19:06] <ScottK> Weird.
[19:06] <Mamarok> the 2.3.1 package in the backports PPA is working fine, just not the 2.3.0 one
[19:06]  * ScottK updates the pbuilder and tries again.
[19:07] <apachelogger> Mamarok, ScottK: I do not think it is the lack of mysql itself is it, I mean, Amarok is supposed to have the daemon embedded, no?
[19:07] <ScottK> Mamarok: Which PPA?
[19:07] <Mamarok> apachelogger: embedded provided you actually have mysql installed
[19:07] <Mamarok> apachelogger: witout the libmysqlclient16 package it can't build a collection
[19:08] <ScottK> Speaking of PPAs, whoever is dealing with the backports PPA, you'll want to update quassel there since 0.6.1 doesn't deal with Qt 4.7 well.
[19:08] <Mamarok> and all users I helped so far didn't have any of the requred MySQLK packages isntalled
[19:08] <Mamarok> -K
[19:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: Sput is working on 0.6.2 which will work with Qt 4.7
[19:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yep.  That's the one that should go in the PPA.
[19:08] <Sput> apachelogger: 0.6.2 is tagged
[19:08] <Sput> and tarballed
[19:09] <apachelogger> ah
[19:09] <apachelogger> I see
[19:09] <apachelogger> well
[19:09] <apachelogger> I am blogging
[19:09] <apachelogger> for an hour already ... :P
[19:11] <ScottK> So someone should put that in the ppa
[19:12] <sheytan> apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/pZXT1.jpg
[19:12] <sheytan> ofcourse it's a fase mockup, really fast ;P
[19:12] <sheytan> so the quality sucks
[19:13] <ScottK> Mamarok: I'm going to diff the packaging between the two.
[19:14] <apachelogger> hm
[19:14] <apachelogger> opinions on http://i.imgur.com/pZXT1.jpg ?
[19:15] <smarter> apachelogger: how would you end up on this screen?
[19:15] <Mamarok> apachelogger: why do you have two identical lines?
[19:15] <apachelogger> kmenu -> apps -> intarwebs -> Install Browser That Does Not Suck
[19:15] <apachelogger> Mamarok: the are just identical in that mock
[19:16] <Mamarok> OK
[19:16] <apachelogger> imagine there is firefox, chromium, opera, konqueror, arora...
[19:16] <smarter> apachelogger: What's the usecase? The guy who know what web browser he wants can just install it using muon/software center/whatever
[19:16] <Mamarok> rekonq...
[19:16] <smarter> The guy who doesn't is still clueless
[19:17] <apachelogger> smarter: scott suggested that we provide more browsers to select that match "browsers that do not suck" 
[19:19] <ScottK> Since clearly we can't manage to ship one.
[19:23] <smarter> Still, this just add confusion, I can see the point of the firefox installer because of the brand recognition, but if you can't handle kpackagekit, you probably can't handle a web browser selection screen either
[19:24] <lex79> ScottK: do we need quassel 0.7 in backport ppa?
[19:24] <ScottK> lex79: 0.6.2 would be better.
[19:24] <lex79> ok
[19:25] <ScottK> Mamarok: Does libamarokcore.so exist in 2.3.0 or was it new in 2.3.1? (we don't have one in our 2.3.0 package)
[19:25] <lex79> uhm where's 0.6.2? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+changelog
[19:26] <Mamarok> ScottK: hm, I don't remember when the refactoring was exactly, Nightrose, do you?
[19:28] <ScottK> Mamarok: The mysql related depends for the package in lucid and the one in the backports PPA are identical.
[19:29] <apachelogger> who can review a blog post for me?
[19:29] <ScottK> Depends on how grumpy you want it to sound.  Today I excel at grumpy.
[19:29] <lex79> ScottK: are you sure 0.6.2 is out?
[19:30] <ScottK> lex79: Sput just said it was.
[19:30] <lex79> Sput: where's 0.6.2?
[19:30] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^ packaging victim <<<<< helper
[19:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: not grumpy at all :P
[19:30] <apachelogger> no grumpy topic it is
[19:30]  * ScottK is probably useless then.
[19:30] <Sput> lex79: http://quassel-irc.org/pub/quassel-0.6.2.tar.bz2
[19:30] <lex79> Sput: thanks
[19:30] <apachelogger> Mamarok: do you have time to quickly look at a blog post?
[19:30] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/
[19:31] <apachelogger> if that works
[19:32]  * Mamarok checks
[19:33] <Mamarok> apachelogger: "performance reasons on Identi.ca I thought" comma after identi.a
[19:33] <Mamarok> ca,
[19:34] <Mamarok> apachelogger: "variable has lowest priority it is still " comma after priority
[19:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: and I would reoprder this sentence: "was some talk on identi.ca about using..."
[19:36] <Mamarok> reorder*
[19:36] <Mamarok> else it could be misunderstood
[19:36] <apachelogger> yeah, there is something fishy about it
[19:36] <apachelogger> Mamarok: otherwise coherent enough for publishing?
[19:36] <Mamarok> yep, looks good
[19:37] <apachelogger> Mamarok: thanks
[19:37] <Mamarok> apachelogger: de nada :)
[19:38] <Mamarok> I love blog posts like this, short and to the point :)
[19:41] <ScottK> Mamarok: Here are the new packages pulled in by the PPA amarok: libdbusmenu-glib1 libindicate-qt0 libindicate4 libkdecore5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkfile4 libkio5 libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libkparts4 libkutils4  libnepomuk4 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libqtwebkit4 libsolid4 libthreadweaver4
[19:41] <ScottK> Any suggestions which one we want?
[19:41] <Mamarok> libpulse? why that?
[19:42] <ScottK> No idea.
[19:42] <ScottK> As you can see, it's quite a list and nothing mysql related, so I'm a bit confused about what's needed.
[19:42] <Mamarok> most of those don't make much sense to me
[19:43] <ScottK> I know that the PPA one has dbusmenu support that the release one doesn't.
[19:43] <Mamarok> well, as I said, the non-KDE users of Lucid simply don't get libmysqlclient16 and mysql-common
[19:43] <Mamarok> so maybe the problem is with the libmysqlclient16 package?
[19:44] <ScottK> Mamarok: Not sure.  I installed amarok in a minimal chroot and got both those with it.
[19:44] <Mamarok> then I don't know, all I know is that there is no database when installed without KDE
[19:45] <Sput> that was quick lex79, thanks :)
[19:45] <lex79> Sput: no problem ;)
[19:45] <Sput> also, google alerts is amazingly quick sometimes :D
[19:45] <ScottK> Mamarok: Next time you find one of these people missing libmysqlclient16, have them do "aptitude why-not libmysqlclient16" and see if it says a reason for it not to be installed.
[19:45] <Mamarok> well, the newsstuff is needed to install new scripts
[19:46] <Mamarok> ScottK: yes, I will do that
[19:46] <Mamarok> there certainly will be others
[19:46] <ScottK> If we can figure out why, then maybe we can fix it.
[19:47] <Mamarok> I start to think the problem is with the libmysqlclient6 package, not with the Amarok one
[19:47] <ScottK> Could be.
[20:06] <bulldog98> apachelogger: are you thinking about including this kcm (qt graphicssystem) into an PPA?
[20:13] <Sput> upstream it!
[20:19] <CIA-116> [libqapt] gmartres * 1171940 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ (9 files in 4 dirs) API BREAK: renamed the downloadProgress signal to globalDownloadProgress, added a packageDownloadProgress(const QString &name, int percentage) signal.
[20:29] <CIA-116> [muon] gmartres * 1171942 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (muon/MainWindow.cpp updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp) LibQApt API break: downloadProgress -> globalDownloadProgress
[23:24] <ScottK> maco: I put mgraesslin's patch in my PPA if you could give it a try.
[23:25]  * Mamarok sighs at giovanni_re on the users ML
[23:25] <Mamarok> he spends 20 minutes on a mail but pretends not to have time to file a bug report
[23:26] <ScottK> It's OK.  We don't read them anyway.
[23:54] <Daijoubu> Hello, i created a DSL connection in network manager but it doesn't trigger (dials).I selected the auto connect but even after restart it doesn't dial.
[23:55] <Daijoubu> can someone tell me how to trigger the DSL connection in Kubuntu like in Gnome where when i create the DSL connectiona nd select auto connect after i clsoe the window the connection is triggered 
[23:55] <Daijoubu> or is this a 10.10 beta bug?