[01:22] <Shinka> What is a good alternative to Ubuntu One for Kubuntu ?
[01:24] <collabra> one sec.... i'll see if i can help.
[01:26] <collabra> sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client-gnome <----- this is the graphical version,.... it should work in kubuntu
[01:28] <collabra> Shinka: you there?
[01:29] <Shinka> collabra: yes, sorry. But if I understand correctly, this will load lot's of things in the background (related to GNOME), just to run ubunutuone ?
[01:29] <collabra> it will load the necessary modules to run UbuntuOne,... there are no alternatives....
[01:30] <Shinka> collabra: I was wondering if I could find an alternative to Ubuntu one, something that would work well with KDE.
[01:30] <collabra> as far as i know there are no alternatives.... but, the above -will- only load the modules necessary to run ubuntu one.
[01:32] <collabra> it will not load alot of gnome extras,... i wouldn't worry about any of the gnome modules,... they are secure and safe.
[01:32] <Shinka> I just heard of SpiderOak as an alternative, I'll have to take a look at it.
[01:32] <Shinka> collabra: I'm more worried about performance, to be honest :P
[01:33] <Shinka> collabra: Anyway, thanks for the help, I'll take a look at it (and spideroak)
[01:33] <collabra> there won't be any noticable difference in performance,.... It's just a program,... if it isn't loaded,... there's no performance degredation
[01:34] <collabra> can i ask,... is spideroak part of the ubuntu or kubuntu repositories?
[01:34] <collabra> Shinka
[01:35] <Shinka> collabra: No
[01:35] <Shinka> collabra, I think it's intergrated to OpenSuse, on the other hand. But it should be easy to install in Kubuntu if I want to.
[01:36] <collabra> hmm,.... i'd beware of any lesser known or unsupported third party software.
[01:37] <Dan_L> News:  windows 7 bites.  Not news:  I need help.
[01:37] <collabra> hmm...?
[01:37] <Dan_L> Trying to install kubuntu on a new lappy dual boot w/ win7 installed.
[01:37] <Dan_L> usually, there's a "largest continuous free space" option in the installer
[01:37] <Dan_L> this seems to be gone with 10p4
[01:38] <Dan_L> I already shrunk space from win7, so there's a big chunk of space available
[01:38] <collabra> you mean 10.04?
[01:38] <Dan_L> right.
[01:38] <collabra> do you have an ethernet connection?
[01:39] <Dan_L> uhhh?  I can if I need to.  why?
[01:39] <collabra> well,... one sec,.. lemmy get the link.
[01:39] <Dan_L> i'm wified in live user mode now
[01:42] <collabra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD <---- try this,... it's a minimal cd,... about 20 mb.  It will allow you to do a network install,... as well as offering all supported desktops, including ubuntu, kubuntu, xbuntu... and such,... and when you are all finished with the install,... it's updated and current.
[01:42] <collabra> but if you need partitioning help,... i can do that too...
[01:43] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: is the free space you are speaking of formatted?
[01:43] <Dan_L> no. It's just the space I shrunk from win7.  Do I need to format it now?
[01:44] <Dan_L> (I just assumed----because with 8 on it was just "largest section of free space", and click "go go go go" and poof you now have kde and you can have zen"
[01:45] <jmichaelx> Dan_L:i would also think that the installer should see the free space. if you select manual partitioning, does it still see unable to see the free space?
[01:45] <jmichaelx> seem*
[01:45] <collabra> have you tried to manually partition the drive?
[01:46] <Dan_L> jmichaelx, it recognizes the 'free' space, but refers to it as unusable.  I tried to use it, and the installer chokes on it.
[01:46] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: even if you select the option to format it?
[01:46] <Dan_L> lemme peek
[01:46] <collabra> yeah,... youhave to format it before it becomes usable.
[01:47] <collabra> sorry,...  jmichaelx: i'll let you handle this.
[01:48] <jmichaelx> collabra: no problem, i'm def not proprietary about this sort of thing :-D
[01:49] <collabra> oh,.. no,.. don't mind me,.. my track record with helping people isn't thatgreat anyway.... :)
[01:49] <Dan_L> It doesn't seem to let me do anything with it.
[01:49] <Dan_L> I select the unusable partition
[01:49] <Dan_L> and all of the options grey out
[01:49] <jmichaelx> mine hasn't always been perfect either... but i learn more by trying to help than by any other way, i think
[01:49] <collabra> i hear ya.
[01:50] <Dan_L> so how would I go about partitioning that free space
[01:50] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: that does really seem strange. you should be able to select that partition, select something like 'create new partition', then select what fs to format it to
[01:51] <collabra> i would suggest going into windows and partitioning the unusable space as fat32 or even ntfs then run the kubuntu installer.
[01:51] <collabra> sounds like there may be some leading bits within the unusable space that is making the drive 'seem' unusable
[01:52] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: i would also recommend downloading and burning either a Gparted Livr CD, or a Parted Magic CD... boot into one of those, and you should have all kinds of options
[01:52] <jmichaelx> Live*
[01:52] <Dan_L> error message:  "no root file system detected".  "Please correct this from the partitioning menu"
[01:52] <collabra> if you can get a valid partition,... even a windows partition,... you can then set ubuntu up on it,... you'll just have to format it.
[01:52] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: yeah, somehow you are missing the partitioning menu
[01:54] <Dan_L> can I format it from the live disk?
[01:54] <Dan_L> or can I swap to windows
[01:54] <Dan_L> format the space there?
[01:54] <Dan_L> (i'm stuck on slow intertubez at the moment)
[01:54] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: either way, although i highly recommend one or the other of the two HD partitioning distros i mentioned
[01:55] <collabra> you should be able to format it from ubuntu,... maybe, you just arn't familiar with manually partitioning
[01:55] <collabra> it can be tricky if you haven't done it.
[01:55] <collabra> !partitioning
[01:57] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: it looks like the gparted live CD image is about 121.4MB in size
[01:57] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/gparted-live-stable/0.6.2-2/gparted-live-0.6.2-2.iso/download just right click, and choose 'save link as', etc etc
[01:58] <Dan_L> !partitionmanager
[01:59] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: that would be ok, but you would need to have kubuntu already installed on the machine
[02:01] <Dan_L> hmm.  aiight.  I'll reboot and download the gparted image
[02:01] <collabra> i think if you can get any active partition on the free space ,... you would then be able to partition it for kubuntu
[02:01] <Dan_L> i'll be back
[02:01] <Dan_L> I hope
[02:01] <jmichaelx> Dan_L: also, partitionmanager should be on the kubuntu live CD
[02:02] <jmichaelx> too late... althoug that may be the program the installer was using, that was not working for him
[02:02] <collabra> a second too late,...
[02:03] <collabra> i've never come across a basic hardrive 'laptop' that it couldn't partition
[02:03] <collabra> i think win7 made it unusable,... tricking the ubuntu installer into thinking it's not
[02:04] <collabra> you know,... those first few kilobytes of harddrive space are crucial,... i think it's win7's fault
[02:04] <jmichaelx> could be, i am actually supposed to install win7 (from upgrade media, at that), and lucid for a friend on his laptop tonight
[02:05] <collabra> :) right on.
[02:05] <jmichaelx> i have never used win7, let alone installed it
[02:05] <collabra> i love helping out my friends
[02:05] <collabra> my lenovo came with vista,... and i hated it,... win 7 was better,... but ever since 10.04 kubuntu is where i stay
[02:06] <collabra> i love it
[02:06] <jmichaelx> i have vista ultimate in virtualbox on my desktop, which i have only used occasionally for work-related purposes
[02:06] <collabra> yeah,.. i've got xp in virtualbox,... which i use only for fulltiltpoker.net
[02:07] <collabra> i used to use wine,... but found it unstable.... virtualbox is much easier,... and i don't mind it if i need some windows prog...
[02:08] <collabra> 90 percent of my time is within kubuntu
[02:08] <collabra> more like 95%,... lol.
[02:09] <jmichaelx> i wish i could say i used linux 100% of the time... but it is fairly close. however, i will soon have to be managing a windows server at work... something which i have never done before, and know next to nothing about
[02:10] <collabra> i find it strange that i've taken so well to kubuntu,.... i've all but left microsoft behind me.
[02:10] <jmichaelx> the other servers i manage are all running ubuntu, gentoo or 'nexentastor'
[02:10] <collabra> nice...
[02:11] <collabra> i'm just a basic comptech,... most hardware,... and minimal software skills
[02:11] <jmichaelx> i am definitely not whiz at gentoo, either... one of the gentoo servers is going to be retired, and the other is going to be replaced with an ubuntu installation later this year
[02:12] <collabra> nice,... yeah, I'm still getting used to doing things with the command line,.... i remember the old days of dos.... comming back to the prompt on an exotic os, is hard.
[02:13] <jmichaelx> yeah, same here. i started out as a hobbyist about 5 years ago. my license wound up suspended for 90 days for an unpaid speeding ticket.... to combat boredom, i ordered a new PC, unboxed it, wiped the drive, and begain playing with ubuntu
[02:13] <jmichaelx> as of about a year now, i am making a (meager) living with what i learned
[02:14] <collabra> yeah,.. I used to work with a friend of mine who introduced me to debian 3.1,... i continued to use windows until recently 6or7 months ago
[02:15] <collabra> he really tried to convince me of linux and it's capabilities,... i saw the genius of it,... but never really committed to using it.
[02:15] <jmichaelx> this irc channel used to be fairly lively. it seems like over the last few years it has nearly died
[02:16] <collabra> yeah,... well, who are these 242 users,... bots....????? idunno
[02:16] <jmichaelx> yeah, i kind of dove in head first. i have been using mostly linux since the day i unboxed that PC... but i did have a rough start, and did switch back and forth a lot to do things in windows i had not yet learned to do in linux
[02:16] <jmichaelx> no idea
[02:17] <jmichaelx> i guess i don't see the 242 users.. where do you see them?
[02:17] <collabra> yeah,... i've flip-flopped myself,... linux is a hell of a learning curve.
[02:17] <collabra> i'm using quassel,... they're on the right hand side
[02:18] <collabra> what do you see.?
[02:18]  * jmichaelx is clueless
[02:18] <jmichaelx> sorry, it didn't sink in immediately that you were referring to the number of users in the channel
[02:18] <collabra> lol,... :)
[02:19] <jmichaelx> i think a number of people sort of stay logged into this and various other irc channels, even if they seldon interact in them
[02:20] <collabra> yeah,... i did that for months before i got my nerves up to try to help someone
[02:20] <collabra> so,.. where ya from?
[02:21] <jmichaelx> well, i have lived in indiana all my life. am from southern indiana, but now live in northern indiana, near the MI border
[02:21] <collabra> right on,.. Portland Oregon,... here.
[02:22] <jmichaelx> wow, near the MS homeland
[02:22] <jmichaelx> ok, wrong again, that is washington, isn't it?
[02:22] <collabra> 'MS' .... ?
[02:22] <collabra> yeah
[02:22] <jmichaelx> microsoft
[02:22] <elijah> Using Kubuntu 10.10 beta - "desktop effects have been suspended by another application"
[02:22] <collabra> ahhh,... lol yup seattle,.... not too far away for us.
[02:23] <jmichaelx> elijah: what video adapter are you using?
[02:23] <elijah> "The following desktop effects could not be activated"
[02:23] <collabra> elijah,.... try your power settings
[02:23] <elijah> jmichaelx: Not sure, how do I identify? You mean video card?
[02:24] <collabra> wihin them is the option to turn off desktop effects
[02:24] <collabra> based on time or power levels
[02:24] <jmichaelx> elijah: yes. open a terminal, and enter 'lspci'... you should see something in the list referring to your video card
[02:24] <elijah> collabra: Okay, I see that option, it is unchecked for all profiles
[02:25] <jmichaelx> elijah: yeah, what collabra is mentioning would also be well worth checking out
[02:25] <elijah> Geforce 8400M GS
[02:25] <collabra> elijah,... is it only a few desktop effects,... or does it turn them all off
[02:25] <elijah> It gives a laundry list of over 10
[02:26] <elijah> Then it cuts off the list at the bottom of the screen
[02:26] <jmichaelx> elijah: i assume you are using a live CD?
[02:26] <collabra> that's normal,... some desktop effects are canceled by others
[02:26] <elijah> jmichaelx: no, disk install
[02:27] <jmichaelx> elijah: did you have desktop effects working originally, then have them stop on you?
[02:27] <collabra> you can't enable all of the desktop effects, elijah.... some of them will be disabled because of others.
[02:27] <collabra> you just have to play with the settings and find a middle ground
[02:27] <elijah> No, I just installed Kubuntu 2 hours ago, I wanted the minimize to be slick.
[02:28] <elijah> Under the general tab it says "Desktop effects are temporarily disabled"
[02:28] <elijah> It has been that way since minute one
[02:28] <collabra> hmm,....
[02:28] <collabra> sounds like your graphics card may not be supported for compiz
[02:28] <jmichaelx> elijah: have you looked into installing your nvidia drivers?
[02:29] <elijah> jmichaelx: Not yet, how do I do that?
[02:29] <collabra> yeah,... that could work
[02:29] <elijah> I thought they came with Kubuntu... :)
[02:29] <jmichaelx> elijah: by default, your card will use free drivers that are not capable of supporting desktop effects
[02:29] <collabra> applications>system
[02:30] <collabra> elijah: applications>system  <------------it should be near the top
[02:30] <jmichaelx> yes, then slect 'hardware drivers'
[02:30] <jmichaelx> select*
[02:30] <elijah> Got it
[02:30] <collabra> this might be an easy fix,... i'll keep my fingers crossed
[02:31] <collabra> elijah: you may need to reboot
[02:31] <jmichaelx> elijah: it should recommend the nvidia 185 driver. select that, and it will take a few minutes. when it says it is finished, you'll need to reboot
[02:31] <jmichaelx> yeah
[02:31] <collabra> if so,... you gotta come back and tell us how it went
[02:31] <elijah> activating now
[02:31] <collabra> whooo hoooo!
[02:31] <collabra> right on
[02:31] <jmichaelx> totally. i keep waiting for dan_l to come back and say how things went for him
[02:31] <elijah> I will
[02:32] <collabra> jmichaelx: yeah,... huh.
[02:32] <elijah> I gotta show off the eye candy to my peeps ;)
[02:32] <collabra> :)
[02:33] <jmichaelx> elijah: once the proprietary driver is installed, you should be ready to do. btw, i have nearly the same card in this PC
[02:33] <elijah> That might make sense why my video wasn't playing back smooth before too in OpenShot!
[02:33] <jmichaelx> ready to go*
[02:33] <elijah> jmichaelx: gtk
[02:33] <elijah> Restarting, I'll be back...
[02:34] <collabra> well,... that was easy.
[02:34] <collabra> that's the way i like em
[02:34] <collabra> simple and to the point.
[02:34] <jmichaelx> the FOSS 'nouveau' driver has really come a long way, though. it can't do 3D (yet), but for 2D, it has worked fairly well for me
[02:35] <collabra> i've got an intel POS in my lenovo,... but,,... i have to admint,... it get's me through well enought
[02:35] <collabra> enough
[02:36] <collabra> 3d is fairly smooth,... and 2d is fast enough
[02:36] <jmichaelx> yeah, i have intel on several laptops.... suits me just fine. desktop effects and everything work well
[02:36] <collabra> i'd rather have nvidia
[02:36] <jmichaelx> this PC has an onboard intel GPU, but i've never used it
[02:36] <collabra> it was an option for me ,... but i went for the cheaper one.
[02:37] <elijah> It's a workin'!
[02:37] <collabra> right on!
[02:37] <collabra> elijah: happy to help
[02:37] <jmichaelx> i have mixed feelings. i am not a purist (in practice at least) but i always resist installing proprietary software on my systems
[02:37] <jmichaelx> elijah: congrats!
[02:37] <elijah> Lovin' the transparency on window moves too!
[02:38] <elijah> jmichaelx: I hear you there
[02:38] <jmichaelx> elijah: yeah, that card works great here, too
[02:38] <collabra> what's the cube?.... ctrl or alt f11
[02:38] <jmichaelx> i dunno, i only see the cube when i switch virtual desktops
[02:38] <collabra> i think its ctrl f11
[02:39] <collabra> you can enable the cube
[02:39] <elijah> collabra: ctrl + f11 but I want to make it super plus middle wheel click
[02:39] <jmichaelx> yep, ctl+f11
[02:40] <elijah> I used that combo 2 years agato but don't know how to get it back to th
[02:40] <elijah> that
[02:40] <collabra> go to system settings>desktop>desktop effects> all effects
[02:40] <elijah> Yeah, I am there but it won't let me set it that way
[02:40] <collabra> there will be little "wrenches" on the right,... you will be able to customize it there.
[02:41] <elijah> argh
[02:41] <elijah> oh well
[02:41] <collabra> take your time,...
[02:41] <jmichaelx> elijah: i don't know whether or not this is what you mean, but if you just go to system settings>desktop, you can select 'dektop cube animation' as your effect for desktop switching
[02:41] <collabra> it took me something like 10 hours to completely customize my system
[02:42] <jmichaelx> elijah: then you'll see the cude when you scroll you mouse wheel on the desktop
[02:42] <elijah> jmichaelx: maybe close, how do you switch desktops again?
[02:42] <jmichaelx> i switch by mouse when scroll, or by clicking on the boxes in the pager in the panel
[02:43] <jmichaelx> mouse wheel scroll*
[02:43]  * jmichaelx is a typo-king
[02:43] <collabra> brb
[02:43] <elijah> How do you switch by mouse?
[02:43] <jmichaelx> by following the steps i mentioned above
[02:46] <elijah> "i switch by mouse when scroll"
[02:47] <elijah> Gotcha
[02:47] <elijah> You have to be ON the desktop
[02:47] <elijah> cumbersome, a bit
[02:48] <elijah> Do you know how to rearrange desktops so they are left and right not top and bottom
[02:51] <collabra> i'm back
[02:52] <collabra> elijah: i don't know,... never tried it before....but i'm sure there's a way,...
[02:53] <collabra> kde is so configurable.... Just keep lookin if there is a way i'm sure you'll find it
[02:54] <jmichaelx> back again. had a neighbor stop in
[02:55] <collabra> jmichaelx: do you know how to put the virtual desktop in a single row instead of two?
[02:55] <elijah> Wow, this list is awesome! Too bad none of them work BUT this tells me there is a way! http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2010/05/05/compiz-keyboard-shortcuts-in-ubuntu-10-04/
[02:55] <jmichaelx> you mean the pager? just right-click on the pager, and in the settings select 1 row instead of 2
[02:55] <elijah> Nice - Ctrl + f10
[02:56] <collabra> yup,... that's it alright.
[02:56] <elijah> jmichaelx: Thanks, that did the trick
[02:57] <elijah> ctrl + f10 shows all windows in all workspaces!!!
[02:57] <jmichaelx> i believe ctl+f9 shows all on current desktop
[02:57] <jmichaelx> ctl+f8 shows all the desktops at once
[03:00] <elijah> those are very handy too!
[03:01] <elijah> Nice, ctrl + f8 you can even drag windows to other workspaces from that screen
[03:01] <jmichaelx> ctl-f12 brings the desktop (minus open windows) forward.... just learning this tonight, and i use kubuntu practically all day every day
[03:01] <elijah> very nice too!
[03:01] <elijah> what is keyboard shortcut for show desktop
[03:01] <jmichaelx> that is pretty cool, i honestly had no idea about some of these key combinations
[03:02] <collabra> isn't kde wonderful?.... i mean, the different configurations, and key strokes, and customization.... wow.
[03:02] <elijah> I am also looking for the effect that draws fire on the screen
[03:02] <collabra> can't get that in gnome
[03:02] <jmichaelx> elijah: not sure, i just use a panel icon to show desktop
[03:02] <elijah> I think gnome has a lot of this too, no?
[03:02] <collabra> well,... yeah,.. but,... mainly compiz,... not the rest of the gui.
[03:03] <jmichaelx> elijah: well, it is probably more compiz than gnome, but yes, compiz has all of this, plus more
[03:03] <collabra> kde goes further with the ability to customize your system
[03:03] <elijah> gotcha
[03:03] <elijah> Have you guys ever used that compiz effect to draw fire or sparkle stuff on the screen?
[03:03] <jmichaelx> you can use compiz in kde, instead of kwin, but i have not done that since kde4 came out
[03:03] <elijah> It dims out your screen and you press meta/super and draw?
[03:04] <elijah> Are these effects compiz or kwin?
[03:04] <collabra> i think that may come from additional compiz plugins
[03:04] <jmichaelx> elijah: these are kwin, although i am sure a lot of the code is actually from compiz, or based on it in some way
[03:04] <collabra> i haven't been able to find it with the default install,... but like i said, i'm sure it has the ability
[03:08] <elijah> compiz doesn't come up in a package search
[03:08] <elijah> Guess I don't get my fire easily :(
[03:08] <collabra> try searching by description
[03:09] <jmichaelx> elijah: i am sure there are plenty of tutorials on the web for setting up kubuntu to use compiz instead of kwin by default
[03:09] <elijah> ctrl + alt + d = show desktop on ubuntu
[03:09] <jmichaelx> elijah: compiz should come up in your package search, as well as a lot of other, related packed
[03:10] <jmichaelx> packages*
[03:10] <elijah> k, I just tried compiz again
[03:10] <elijah> it worked this time
[03:10] <jmichaelx> elijah: there is even a package named 'compiz-kde'
[03:10] <elijah> not sure what I did wrong but good!
[03:12] <jmichaelx> kwin does include a effect that puts snowflakes on your screen, but i do not have it enabled
[03:13] <elijah> INteresting discussion - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1459538.html
[03:13] <elijah> haha - I have snowflakes on right now!
[03:17] <jmichaelx> it's hard to believe how dead #kubuntu has become. if we weren't here, i'd not be surprised if there would have been nothing going on in here the last hour
[03:18] <jmichaelx> i wonder whether or not that is any kind of indication that the number of kubuntu users has declined
[03:18] <jmichaelx> collabra: what version of KDE are you using?
[03:18] <collabra> jmichaelx: sorry,... im still on the phone
[03:18] <collabra> brb
[03:18] <collabra> 10.04
[03:20] <jmichaelx> collabra: i mean your version of kde, not kubuntu
[03:20] <jmichaelx> i'm still using 4.4.5. have not moved to 4.5 yet
[03:21] <user__> night...
[03:22] <jmichaelx> i am tempted to go ahead and install kde 4.5.1 tonight, but it will involve a little bit of work
[03:22] <jmichaelx> eh, i think i'm going to back up .kde4 and go for it
[03:23] <jmichaelx> make that '.kde'
[03:29] <jmichaelx> nevermind, not gonna do it. i guess i'll get 4.5.1when i move to maverick
[03:36] <collabra> jmichaelx: I've gotta go help move a friend.... I'll try to be back in two hours if you'll be here,... I will be.... anyway,... it's good to meet cha' indiana... and i'll talk to you later.
[03:37] <jmichaelx> take care!
[03:37] <collabra> bye
[03:42] <elijah> How do I auto logon in Compiz 10.10?
[03:42] <elijah> I mean Kubuntu
[03:43] <elijah> When I installed there was option for it plus one for protect home folder.
[03:48] <elijah> Nevermind, found it
[04:54] <collabra> jmichaelx: hey,.. sup?
[04:56] <zak_> in kubuntu10.4, how can i change the qtcurve theme in my gtk programs?
[04:58] <collabra> zak_ one sec
[04:59] <zak_> ok thanks, also i believe im in 10.04.1, not 10.4, if that makes a difference
[05:01] <collabra> you  should go into system settings and choose the top left icon,... i'm not sure what it is,... you have to forgive me, i'm using kde 4.5.1,.... anyway choose that one,... it should have icon, color, and style settings,... but one of them is called gtk apperance,... i think that's the one you want
[05:03] <collabra> awww,... wait a minute,... are you trying to change your overall theme or what i said above ^
[05:03] <collabra> zak_:
[05:03] <zak_> yeah im trying to change my overall theme. GTK is already set to qtcurve, but i downloaded a different .qtcurve file i want to use, but I dont know how to use it
[05:04] <zak_> also, im using kde 4.5.1 as well, i forgot to say that
[05:04] <collabra> oh,...well,... i just upgraded no more that 10 minutes ago,.. i know as much as you at this point... lol :)
[05:05] <collabra> no more than 10 minutes ago
[05:05] <zak_> oh lol, well thanks for your help though
[05:05] <collabra> np,..
[05:30] <Chr|s> wow pretty dead in here
[05:48] <dan_l> worst.  linux.  install.  ever.
[05:53] <dan_l> Ouch
[05:53] <dan_l> this install is done hosed
[05:55] <collabra> Chr|s: what's up?
[06:31] <dan_l> anybody around?
[06:35] <Wolfcastle> hello
[06:35] <Wolfcastle> I'm trying to install kde 4.5.1
[06:35] <Wolfcastle> but after adding the ppa kubuntu backports the packages are blocked
[06:35] <Wolfcastle> any ideas?
[07:50] <johan> pff since changed my diskname to usb0 :| amarok cannot read the files
[07:59] <tweakedeh> Hey, I;m trying to install Firestarter and I cant because of dependencies that "is not installable" What do I do about this?
[08:00] <Tm_T> !info firestarter
[08:00] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:00] <Tm_T> tweakedeh: can you be more specific?
[08:01] <tweakedeh> http://pastebin.ca/1933178
[08:01] <tweakedeh> I've tried to download .deb files for them but I just keep getting more dependencies I need to install
[08:04] <Tm_T> tweakedeh: what hapens if you try "sudo apt-get install libgnomeui-0" for example?
[08:05] <tweakedeh> Tim_T: E: Package libgnomeui-0 has no installation candidate
[08:06] <Tm_T> tweakedeh: not tim, also sounds like your sources.list is in interesting state
[08:07] <tweakedeh> Tm_T: sorry and would you like to see it?
[08:07] <Tm_T> yes
[08:07] <tweakedeh> http://pastebin.ca/1933183
[08:08] <tweakedeh> is /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <collabra> ur missing a bunch o repo's
[08:09] <Tm_T> ~all
[08:09] <collabra> semantics
[08:09] <Tm_T> !repositories
[08:09] <tweakedeh> Yea, I seen a ton more in there before... I just google for the default repos?
[08:10] <tweakedeh> Thanks =]
[08:10] <Tm_T> collabra: hey can you guide tweakedeh thru rhis? I should be reading stories to my daughter (:
[08:11] <collabra> naw,... man,... please,.. help him out
[08:11] <tweakedeh> It's all good, If I only need the repos back I should have it
[08:11] <collabra> sounds good to me,...
[08:11] <Tm_T> tweakedeh: yes that should be it
[08:12] <tweakedeh> Tm_T: Awesome, thanks!
[08:12] <collabra> Tm_T i'm supposed to be in bed myself
[08:14] <Tm_T> collabra: I'll read a story to you too then
[08:14] <collabra> right on,man. I feel close to harry potter,... how bout' it?
[08:15] <collabra> :)
[08:15] <collabra> go take care of your daugher
[09:34] <ginbuntu> I am running ubuntu 10.10 beta, can I install kubuntu-desktop on it and use the latest version of KDE?
[10:08] <jarle> Suddenly my apt-get has started to segfault :( "apt-get[2532]: segfault at 7f9d7005f908 ip 00007f9d655439d1 sp 00007fffd54b8b00 error 4 in libapt-pkg-libc6.10-6.so.4.8.0[7f9d65506000+c5000]"
[10:54] <glaucous> I'm using KDE 4.5 (backend), and I recently got 179 blocked updates -  should I do something about this?
[11:04] <rek> hi i created a kubuntu startup usb disk my packardbell says harddisk fail what can i do?
[11:12] <mfraz74> glaucous: do you have the backports ppa enabled?
[11:12] <glaucous> mfraz74: Yes
[11:12] <mfraz74> glaucous: have you tried updating from within konsole?
[11:17] <glaucous> mfraz74: Same but "The following packages have been kept back:"
[11:17] <mfraz74> glaucous: try doing aptitude dist-upgrade instead
[11:18] <glaucous> mfraz74: Weird, I have done that before, but now it wants all those 169 updates.
[11:24] <otswim> hi, i have a trojan/virus on windows and i can't even boot on it because i get a BSOD every time i try; can i fix it from my kubuntu dual boot?
[11:36] <rek> anyone able to do net installs?
[11:40] <Peace-> rek: why?
[11:55] <DexterF> hi
[11:55] <DexterF> I want to upgrade a 9.04 machine to 10.04
[11:56] <DexterF> should I go via 9.10 or can I go to 10.04 directly? and, how can I tell the update-manager to use a DVD for updating, too?
[11:59] <DexterF> !wubi
[12:00] <teage> can anyone tell me how to disable desktop switcher? i do not want my mouse scroll to switch for me.
[12:06] <rek> can i install ubuntu x86 with a network install in my laptop using ubuntu amd64
[12:50] <mephiston> hi guys, just a stupid rapid question
[12:51] <mephiston> is Kommander the default dialog application in kubuntu?
[12:58] <cuznt> !kommander
[12:58] <mephiston> thx cuznt
[12:59] <upward> I'm trying to install kubuntu, I've tried the CD and the DVD but in both cases I get to a commandline, is there a graphical installer?
[13:01] <cuznt> there is upward whichcd do you have?
[13:02] <cuznt> and neither should go to command line
[13:02] <cuznt> you should be able to go into the install mode right from boot
[13:03] <vinnie_> how can i add a launcher for konsole next to my kicker button?
[13:04] <juliohm> vinnie_: drag and drop
[13:04] <juliohm> vinnie_: certify that widget bar is unlocked
[13:04] <vinnie_> juliohm: so, i should add it to desktop first?
[13:05] <upward> cuznt: It's the 32 desktop version
[13:05] <cuznt> are you trying to install from boot or the desktop?
[13:05] <juliohm> vinnie_: no, but if you want you can add. drag and drop to Desktop and after drag and drop to bar. ;)
[13:05] <cuznt> i would reboot and try it from there
[13:06] <upward> cuznt: from boot, if I "Try kubuntu without installing" I also get to a command prompt
[13:06] <vinnie_> juliohm: drag to the panel?
[13:06] <juliohm> vinnie_: yep
[13:07] <vinnie_> its not working
[13:07] <juliohm> vinnie_: certify it's unlocked
[13:07] <juliohm> vinnie_: unlock widgets
[13:07] <cuznt> have you tried testing the cd's integrity?
[13:07] <vinnie_> juliohm: they are
[13:07] <cuznt> i have honestly never seen that
[13:08] <upward> cuznt: could it be that my computer is too old and kde4 cant start?
[13:08] <juliohm> vinnie_: can you see a yellow icon on right corner?
[13:08] <upward> cuznt: I'll try that right away
[13:09] <vinnie_> juliohm: it worked this time.. thanx so much for your help
[13:09] <juliohm> vinnie_: you can add a shortcut to Konsole, it's faster... here i press F6
[13:09] <juliohm> and Konsole appears
[13:10] <vinnie_> juliohm: how do i do that?
[13:10] <upward> cuznt: Must be a defective cd, I get "Connecting to plymouth: connection refused"
[13:10] <juliohm> vinnie_: you talk at Konversation or Quassel?
[13:11] <juliohm> if Konversation... type: /sysinfo
[13:11] <vinnie_> juliohm: xchat
[13:11] <juliohm> ¬¬
[13:11] <cuznt> i agree upward try rebooting and choose test cd. i have gotten plymouth errors before.
[13:11] <juliohm> vinnie_: KDE version?
[13:12] <vinnie_> juliohm: 4.4.5
[13:13] <upward> cuznt: plymouth error is when i choose test cd :) i've tried a few times, the cd drive i'm using is really old, i'll try another one
[13:13] <upward> cuznt: thanks for your help, i'll be back :D
[13:14] <juliohm> vinnie_: maybe Settings->Input Actions->Examples->Run Konsole and select shortcut tab ;)
[13:14] <juliohm> now i go... bye!
[13:15] <vinnie_> thanx
[13:15] <jtheuer> hi, I have flash in firefox but not in konqueror. what could be missing? thought konqueror uses the same plugin?
[13:16] <Kolia> hi
[13:16] <Kolia> does someone manage to have transparency in yakuake ? (kubuntu lucid)
[13:47] <upward> Hi, I'm trying to run the Kubuntu 10.04 LTS Live DVD and keep getting errors related to plymouth. When I "Check disk for errors" I get "Cannot connect to plymouth: connection refused" and when I "Try Kubuntu without installing" I get a Soft lockup in plymouthd
[13:49] <upward> plymouthd:1220 to be precise
[13:49] <James147> upward: if the disk check failed then you will need to reburn (possibly redownload) the disk
[13:50] <James147> upward: I would do a md5sum check on the iso before you try to reburn the image
[13:50] <James147> !md5
[13:50] <upward> James147: Alrighty, I'll do that right away
[13:50] <upward> James147: Thansk
[13:51] <James147> upward: also if the image is fine (it passed the md5 sum) then burning at a slower speed can help
[13:57] <upward> James147: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download doesn't list the md5 for the DVD, and it doesn't seem to be listed here eighter https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[14:00] <James147> upward: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[14:02] <upward> James147: great, that confirms the image, I'll burn slowly as suggested
[14:29] <dan_l> Would anybody here be a dual boot expert?  Because I done screwed up.  Big.
[14:29] <dan_l> Maybe it doesn't even require an expert.  Maybe I'm just stupid.
[14:31] <dan_l> Basically, I tried to install kubuntu like I used to.  Shrink the windows partition, use 'largest continuous free space'.  That option no longer exists in 10p04.
[14:31] <dan_l> So I formatted the space in windoze.  Installed.
[14:31] <dan_l> Everything was going fine until....the install hangs at 94 percetn
[14:33] <dan_l> so I chucked the install..and surprisingly, kubuntuu works---except you just can't do anything with it.  So I need to reinstall.
[14:40] <dan_l> Why would bootdisks just not work?
[14:43] <jtheuer> not enabled in bios
[14:45] <tjingboem> where can i tell kubuntu to start up with a certain program?
[14:45] <dan_l> jttheuser:  it's enabled in the bios.  The boot disks just don't do anything.  I get the "ISO LINUX" splash, and then...nothing.
[14:46] <turbox> E: Αδύνατη η εύρεση του πακέτου sun-java5-jdk
[14:57] <James147> tjingboem: system settings > advanced > autostart
[14:58] <James147> dan_l: it could be a crupt disk... try reburning it at a slower speed
[14:59] <James147> dan_l: also check the iso
[14:59] <James147> !md5
[15:01] <tjingboem> james147, thanks very much
[15:09] <kostas> kanas elinas
[15:09] <kostas> anyone greeek
[15:16] <kostas> fuck
[15:16] <kostas> u
[15:20] <napterk__> Hi is there a way to get an 'mono' output from amarok or kmix?
[15:26] <dan_l> James147:  the disk checks out.  Here's weird.  It does about the same thing from the windoze recovery disks too.
[15:26] <dan_l> grub works as expected.  I wonder if I can just fix the busted up kde install
[15:26] <dan_l> but that sounds like a whole lot of mess
[15:28] <James147> dan_l: its possible that the disk drive is faulty... would explain why the install hanged in the first place
[15:29] <rek> should i open some ports on my router to do a net install ?
[15:37] <rethus> i have installed openvpn vor knetwork-manager.
[15:37] <rethus> i have insert the crt, key and ca-file.
[15:38] <rethus> if i click on connect, i see "connection in progress" but got no result and no connection at all.
[15:38] <rethus> how can i debug this?
[15:42] <rethus> i have try to start knetworkmanager as user, but seems not to work... i got always Network deactivated
[15:43] <kostas> wow xaxaxa
[15:52] <dan_l> James147:  It hung at 94%.  There was no further information.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:56] <dan_l> this has actually been the most painful install ever
[15:56] <dan_l> w.  t.  f.
[15:57] <dan_l> it's totally weird.  If I put the k disk in the drive right now.  Windows chokes up.  If I put another disk in there.  Fine.  If I put the win recovery disks in the drive.  Windows chokes up.
[15:58] <dan_l> I've never seen a problem like this before.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> dan_l, I don't quite understand , is kubuntu installed or are you trying to install it ?
[15:59] <dan_l> Blueskaj:  It's installed but horribly broken because I had to abort it when it hung at 94%
[15:59] <dan_l> and now, I haz boot disk issues.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[16:00] <dan_l> I mean this bios is fuggin strange.  No doubt about it.
[16:00] <dan_l> I've never seen a bios like this.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> ok , kubuntu live cd or alternate install
[16:00] <dan_l> Live CD.
[16:00] <dan_l> If I thought I could get away with it.....like I could reliabily boot from a disk, I would just burn the kubuntu partition, free some space, and use the 9p10 installer
[16:01] <dan_l> but since I don't know that I can boot from a bootdisk
[16:01] <BluesKaj> dan_l, I had problems with kubuntu live cd recognizing my HW so I used the alternate install, it takes abit longer but it fixed the issues I had with grub and the windows mbr
[16:02] <dan_l> Hmmm.  Lemme see if I can make the boot disk work as it should
[16:02] <dan_l> and I will give it a shot.
[16:02] <BluesKaj> I used the manual partitioning
[16:02] <dan_l> So did I.
[16:03] <dan_l> ooo oooo know what windows 7 does?  If you drag a window to a screen edge, it automatically sizes the window to that side of the screen.
[16:03] <dan_l> OHHHHHH MAN SOMEBODY IN KDE LAND SHOULD DO THAT!!
[16:04] <dan_l> A little scarcasm never hurt anybody.....
[16:05] <BluesKaj> dan_l, I really think the alternate install cd will work for you
[16:06] <dan_l> I'll give it a try
[16:07] <dan_l> I just need to make sure I can reliably boot from a disk
[16:07] <dan_l> because if I can't
[16:07] <dan_l> I would be totally taking myself to the woodshed.
[16:07] <simulacrum> Windows 7 copies everything from KDE as you may alread know
[16:07] <simulacrum> and sometimes viceversa
[16:07] <simulacrum> that's technology
[16:08] <dan_l> simulacrum:  I know.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> simulacrum, pls explain ...dunno whay you mean by "everything"
[16:09] <simulacrum> mistyped word, not quite "everything" but some of it
[16:09] <dan_l> Well they copy everything.  Except the good.  :)
[16:09] <BluesKaj> copy to where
[16:11] <dan_l> bluekaj:  I think it's pretty clear that they incorporate certain style elements from KDE.  I'm not going to start osflaming, but I think there's something there.
[16:12] <dan_l> alright
[16:12] <dan_l> i'm off to try a reboot
[16:12] <dan_l> see you all if I don't brick my laptop!
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok , graphics ..was wondering where this copy thing was going :) just window dressing anyway
[17:32] <dan_l> yeah.  I'm screwed.
[17:32] <dan_l> i tried burning another disk
[17:32] <dan_l> it booted fine.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> dan_l, maybe a clean install is in order with the alternate cd
[17:33] <dan_l> but hung at 94 percent.  check this out:  it gets to 90%, goes through the grub install process, bounces back to 90%, continues to run through the detect keyboard, hardware phases, and then under "running dpkg" just hangs at 94%
[17:33] <dan_l> hmm
[17:33] <dan_l> I'll download the alt
[17:34] <dan_l> what is dpkg?
[17:34] <dan_l> I mean I know what it is.  But what's it doing that's causing the bad?
[17:35] <dan_l> because check this part out:  when I actually get into kubuntu----I can do everything except install/remove software.  Which sounds a lot like the stuff that dpkg does.
[17:37] <BluesKaj> dan_l, yup , for some reason it's not installing the repos , by the look of it , are you on wifi or ethernet ?
[17:43] <dan_l> wifi
[17:43] <dan_l> right now
[17:43] <dan_l> blueskaj:  wifi.  thing is, it's not the grub
[17:43] <dan_l> which surprises me
[17:44] <BluesKaj> wondering if the wifi is failing at that point
[17:56] <sanoop> can i have different background in each desktop
[17:56] <sanoop> if so how
[17:57] <sanoop> can anyone help
[18:07] <user1_> any speak spanish?
[18:08] <user1_> any speak spanish?
[18:10] <user1_> any help me
[18:11] <elijah> When I install Kubuntu it comes with a KDEuBLOG widget on the desktop, this widget does not seem to be resizeable. Is it? When I use with Twitter, the messages all need a horizontal scroller.
[18:14] <sanoop_>  can i have different background in each desktop
[18:14] <dan_l> elijah:  you can adjust it.  If you hover over this little toolbary thing shows up.  One has a little square with some arrows.  Use that to resize.
[18:14] <dan_l> blueskaj:  why would it look for wifi?
[18:15] <sanoop_> blueskaj: can i have different background in each desktop
[18:15] <user1_> any help me
[18:15] <user1_> any speak spanish?
[18:16] <elijah> dan_l: I get the square with arrows on normal windows but not the microblogging widget...?
[18:17] <elijah> I am wondering how to both vertically AND horizontally offset the second monitor. Currently It will only let me do one OR the other. ie. left OR top etc..
[18:17] <elijah> Different question...
[18:17] <elijah> ^
[18:18] <dan_l> elijah:  That's very strange.  try pulling the widget down and putting it back up
[18:19] <elijah> dan_l: The home widget is the same too, no resize handles. I deleted and re-added the widget and no cigar.
[18:19] <elijah> This is a fresh install (1 hour ago)
[18:19] <dan_l> hmmm
[18:19] <dan_l> ok
[18:19] <dan_l> right click on the desktop
[18:19] <dan_l> tell me what the context menu says
[18:20] <elijah> dan_l: run command, add widget.....
[18:20] <dan_l> keep going....
[18:20] <elijah> add panel, activities, lock widgets...
[18:20] <elijah> lock screen, leave, desktop settings.
[18:20] <slow-motion> hi
[18:20] <dan_l> LIES!!  I was going to say it was because you had widgets locked.
[18:20] <elijah> dan_l: Haha, yeah I tried that
[18:21] <elijah> dan_l: So you can resize your widgets?
[18:21] <elijah> dan_l: None of my widgets are resizeable
[18:21] <dan_l> Yeah.  I resize my widgets on a near daily basis.
[18:22] <elijah> There is a toolbar popout that has a small square box as the first one and inside it are two arrows pointing to the lower left and upper right corner, when I click it nothing happens.
[18:22] <elijah> It is above the reload and wrench icons
[18:22] <dan_l> do you click and drag it, I assume?
[18:22] <elijah> dan_l: HAHA
[18:22] <elijah> dan_l: That is it
[18:23] <elijah> dan_l: Totally different than the rest of the system
[18:23] <dan_l> wait.  It worked?
[18:24] <elijah> dan_l: Yeah, that is how you resize the widgets, you click and drag that icon
[18:24] <BluesKaj> dan_l, what i meant was are you on wifi when trying to install kubuntu
[18:24] <dan_l> BluesKaj:  Yes.
[18:25] <dan_l> AHHAHAHAHHAHAHA I HAVE FIXED SOMEBODY ELSES PROBLEM
[18:25] <dan_l> I AM NOW UBUNTU LEVEL 2!
[18:25] <elijah> Go dan_l
[18:25] <BluesKaj> then I think it's getting turned off for some reason , that's whay the the repos aren't installing
[18:25] <dan_l> Hmmmm
[18:26] <BluesKaj> I'd try it with a wired connection
[18:27] <dan_l> I don't remember ever having to install it with intertubez before
[18:27] <dan_l> weird
[18:32] <BluesKaj> dan_l, did you use the alternate install cd , i forgot to ask :)
[18:33] <dan_l> No.  I'm downloading it now.
[18:34] <BluesKaj> ok, I think you'll be fine if you use that one , it's better at recognizing hardware
[18:35] <BluesKaj> it takes more attention to install with it tho ...more choices need to be made
[18:36] <BluesKaj> it's basically the old debian install prog adapted to (k)ubuntu
[18:39] <dan_l> blueskaj:  are you saying that the installers require a live internet connection?
[18:39] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:39] <BluesKaj> not on all , but the live cd and alternate do
[18:39] <James147> ^^ didnt think it "required" an internet connection, but used one (to dl updates) if it was availble
[18:40]  * James147 is sure he installed it from a live cd without internet before since he cannot be bothered to type in his netkey for his laptop
[18:42] <BluesKaj> James147, his install is hanging at dpkg install , sounds like it's trying to find the repos on the net to me
[18:42] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: no, only if you want to be able to update right after installation, else it is not requires at all
[18:43] <Mamarok> I have made installations with the live CD without internet connection repeatedly
[18:43] <dan_l> So what would dpkg do that would cause it to hang?
[18:43] <James147> BluesKaj: dpkg dosnt use the network... that apt  (dpkg just installs stuff)
[18:43] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, so what's your interpretation of the dpkg hang
[18:44] <Mamarok> no idea, bad CD?
[18:44] <Mamarok> wild guess
[19:08] <dan_l> This is weird.
[19:08] <dan_l> I'm going to try it with the 9p10 and see what happens
[19:13] <vyrgozunqk> hi guys, do you have any idea why the picture with uvc driver is so ugly :/
[19:14] <vyrgozunqk> i have 1.3 Mpix webcam Bison NB pro
[19:14] <elijah> How do I open dolphin with keyboard shortcut?
[19:15] <elijah> On windows it was windows/super +E
[19:15] <elijah> Would like the same if possible
[19:15] <vyrgozunqk> you have to make a shortcut, yourselv
[19:15] <elijah> vyrgozunqk: Where would that one be?
[19:16] <James147> elijah: you can add a shortcut to launch any program via kmenuedit (or by right clicking the kmenu > Edit Menu"
[19:18] <elijah> James147: What is a Kmenu?
[19:18] <James147> elijah: the application lanucher widget
[19:19] <elijah> James147: You mean alt + f2?
[19:19] <James147> elijah: no, the widget that acts like the windows start menu
[19:19] <elijah> ahh
[19:20] <James147> (but you can just launch kmenuedit with alt+f2 to bypass the widget)
[19:20] <elijah> k, so I am in menu editor
[19:21] <James147> elijah: find the program you want and click it then go to the advanced tab
[19:22] <James147> elijah: after you may need to enable KMenuEdit in the inputactions page of system settings (I think its under keyboard & mouse on kde 4.4.x)
[19:23] <elijah> James147: Ok, it worked without that last step. Thanks!
[19:26] <ubuntu_> Tervist
[19:27] <ubuntu_> ??
[19:28] <elijah> I closed the information pane/column, how do I re-enable it?
[19:29] <elijah> nevermind, found it
[19:30] <elijah> so many options :D
[19:41] <dan_l> Ok.  Well.  I'm hosed.
[19:41] <dan_l> heh
[19:47] <BluesKaj> dan_l, you must have a HW prob or the disks aren't burning correctly for some reason
[19:48] <pupusera3f480> bonjour
[19:51] <elijah> Will it hurt if I install Nautilus in Kubuntu? (for Dropbox dependencies?)
[19:54] <BluesKaj> elijah, nope , nautilus will work fine , but it'll bring a whole lot of gtk libs etc with it
[19:54] <elijah> BluesKaj: gtk?
[19:54] <elijah> gtk?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> gnome
[19:56] <elijah> BluesKaj: Yeah, I wonder what gtk means though?
[19:57] <elijah> Okay, so if I want to use Dropbox on Kubuntu I have to install a bunch of Gnome dependencies too.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/en/?page=news
[19:59] <BluesKaj> it will just bring them along with nautlilus automatically ...it won't hurt anything , just take up abit of space , elijah
[20:00] <elijah> BluesKaj: K, thanks
[20:00] <elijah> BluesKaj: So then, will nautilus conflict with dolphin in anyway?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> nope
[20:00] <BluesKaj> it's just another file manager , like konqueror and dolphin
[20:01] <BluesKaj> I used to run konqueror in gnome :)
[20:01] <elijah> But I would then need to use Nautilus to see the contextual menu for Dropbox, correct?
[20:02] <dan_l> wierd
[20:02] <BluesKaj> elijah, you'l have the option of putting dropbox in the system tray
[20:03] <elijah> BluesKaj: k
[20:04] <tdn> Sound is not working. It usually do. How to debug and fix this? I use Ludic.
[20:04] <tdn> Lucid.
[20:06] <tdn> Fixed it: alsamixer: for some reason PCM was set to 0.
[20:07] <James147> elijah: I am sure there is a way to install it without the gtk dependencies
[20:09] <elijah> James147: K
[20:11] <James147> elijah: http://dreadknight666.com/2009/07/dropbox-in-kde-linux/  and this might also be of intrest: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Dropbox+ServiceMenu?content=124416
[20:14] <NSsmiles> hey guys
[20:15] <NSsmiles> my new printer works with linux...woohoo!!
[20:31] <BluesKaj> elijah, I just remembered there is a dropbox for kde , kdropbox
[20:43] <elijah> BluesKaj: Great, I see it now
[20:44] <BluesKaj> elijah, jhope you didn't go too far , the regular dropbox is a pita to install
[20:44] <elijah> I didn't do anything yet
[20:46] <BluesKaj> cool , then just download dropbox from sourceforge , the deb version will do an auto install if you choose "install with"
[20:46] <BluesKaj> err "open with"
[20:46] <elijah> BluesKaj: This is what I am trying to do --> http://kdropbox.deuteros.es/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=53
[20:47] <elijah> Although the wget is giving me a 404
[20:49] <BluesKaj> elijah, ok I was mistaken this is the site I used ,http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Kdropbox-56036.shtml
[20:49] <BluesKaj> easier than the wget
[20:49] <elijah> I got it, but where does wget save files?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> wget usually in /home/user
[20:55] <elijah> BluesKaj: not there
[20:59] <cykeo666> could ne one help out a newbie kubuntu user install a instant messanger?
[21:00] <James147> cykeo666: why install one? kopete should already by installed and it supports many protocals
[21:00] <cykeo666> well how do i use it with my aim account
[21:02] <James147> cykeo666: in kopete: Settings > Configure > Accounts > Add acount > select 'AIM' > Next > i hope you can figure out the rest :)
[21:03] <cykeo666> yes i can ty for the point in the right direction
[21:04] <cykeo666> hooray no more windows vista!!!
[21:11] <BluesKaj> elijah, it's there ,just click on the "download", http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Kdropbox-56036.shtml
[21:14] <v3nd3tta``> who does host FloodBot and where to get that Service? i Never saw him in other chan's
[21:16] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[21:18] <cykeo666_> can any1 explain in a newbie way how to install tgz files?
[21:19] <James147_> cykeo666_: its an archive file (like zip) it highly depends on what you are trying to install as to what you do with it
[21:19] <cykeo666_> right
[21:24] <BluesKaj> cykeo666_, an all in one extractor app called unp works well just do ' unp /pathtofilename to extract the contents in /home/user , which is usually the default destination if you download from the net
[21:25] <James147_> cykeo666_: what are you trying to install anyway?
[21:25] <cykeo666_> wine for one
[21:26] <James147_> !wine
[21:27] <cykeo666_> yeh i know its a emu of windows and i want to use utorrent.
[21:27] <cykeo666_> instead of ktorrent cuz im not getting the 1Mb/s+ i usually get.
[21:28] <James147_> cykeo666_: readying the info on that link tells you how to install it
[21:28] <cykeo666_> ahhhhhhhhh
[21:28] <DiegoGrez> Does anyone know where is the code of ubuntulo1 or who should I contact to get it?
[21:28] <James147_> cykeo666_: also, you probally been to configure ktorrent properly and you should be able to get the same speeds
[21:29] <cykeo666_> ive set the setting just like on utorrent n its still goting at 300-500Kb/s
[21:30] <vbgunz> what is the command to check all of the options already on a disk? im sorry I forgot, hdparm -I is not what I need. its something that list my journal options etc
[21:34] <cykeo666_> ahhh ha! ktorrent didnt have the uPNP pulgin enabled all good now
[21:35] <cykeo666_> now to figure out how to install vlc player
[21:35] <vbgunz> I assume cat /proc/mounts would probably suffice atm
[21:38]  * James147_ prefures kaffeine to vlc :)
[21:39] <BluesKaj> vlc is kind of arcane ...it's hard to figure out how things work altho it plays almost anything
[21:40] <cykeo666_> i know vlc like a crack whore knows how to suck dick
[21:41] <cykeo666_> lawl
[21:42] <James147> cykeo666_: btw, to install vlc search for it in kpackagekit  or run: "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install vlc"
[21:44] <kusanagi> o.o
[21:47] <BluesKaj> cykeo666_, we don't need lewd comments in here , I know it's tempting to become "explicit" in some ways ,but the COC should be followed.
[21:47] <BluesKaj> !COC | cykeo666_
[21:51] <cykeo666_> the coc should be fallowed n ppl shouldnt be so stuck up bout a freaking joke
[21:51] <cykeo666_> freedom of speach really has been burned n pissed on hasnt it.
[21:53] <georg> do you know how to disable the window group feature?
[21:53] <elijah> What is keyboard shortcut for "show desktop"?
[21:53] <elijah> georg: Sort of
[21:54] <georg> where do i find that?
[21:55] <elijah> Right click on a window in the panel and "do not allow this program to be grouped"
[21:55] <elijah> The bottom panel, specifically
[21:55] <James147> georg: its an option in oxygens configuration in system settings
[21:56] <georg> is there a way to disable it globaly
[21:56] <xee> Hi everyone, recently I was trying to fix a problem and I did a downgrade to latest official KDE(from KDE 4.5.1) then upgraded again to KDE 4.5.1, previously pidgin notifications used to appear through KDE but now they appear on their own in a different location... any idea how to fix that or where to look??
[21:56] <James147> georg: ignor that last one ^^ miss read what you want :)
[21:56] <James147> georg: you should be able to disable it in the task manager settings
[21:58] <georg> thats task grouping
[21:58] <georg> i am searching for window grouping
[21:59] <georg> if I open terminal two time there are tabs in at window level
[21:59] <James147> georg: :) o then see my first statement :)
[22:01] <James147> (on kde 4.5 its at System Settings > Workspace Appearence > Window Decoration > Configure Decoration)
[22:02] <georg> whoo whoo many thanks
[22:03] <James147> elijah: there isnt one here :S but it can be set in kwins shortcuts (on the Global Keyboard Shortcuts section fo system settings)
[22:04] <georg> do you know if there is a way to get desktop effects running with fglrx smoothly (exept replacing the card with a nvidia card)?
[22:08] <elijah> Does Kubuntu have a command for a "new folder"?
[22:09] <georg> elijah: mkdir :)
[22:09] <elijah> georg: Haha! You booger
[22:10] <elijah> georg: What I mean! Is does Dolphin have a "new folder" command!?
[22:11] <v3nd3tta``> you mean per gui or per commandline?
[22:12] <James147> elijah: what do you mean by command? dolphin can create new folders...  or you can do it via commandline with mkdir
[22:12] <elijah> James147: I mean, while in Dolphin, I want to hit ctrl + N and have a new folder appear.
[22:12] <James147> elijah: F10 if i remember right
[22:13] <elijah> James147: That worked! Thanks!
[22:13] <James147> elijah: or settings > configure shorcuts to change it :)
[22:13] <elijah> It was odd that when I go to the menu, the shortcut was not next to the name.
[22:14] <xee> I guess this qualifies for a papercut
[22:14] <James147> elijah: heh, not sure why it isnt :)
[22:14] <elijah> James147: That is great! They even made it so you can make alternate shortcuts! Sweet!
[22:15] <James147> elijah: yup, most kde programs you can alter the shortcuts :)
[22:15] <elijah> James147: Yeah, I would call it not being in the menu a bug.
[22:15] <elijah> Is it easy to submit bugs to KDE?
[22:15] <James147> !bug
[22:17] <georg> have a nice evening.
[22:17] <georg> byw
[22:18] <elijah> James147: That is pretty slick!
[22:24] <romano> !list
[22:24] <elijah> James147: Submitted my first bug!
[22:24] <James147> :)
[22:25] <MuzerNtbk> I have the netbook remix. In Openoffice, when I tried to access help it told me I needed a package. So I installed openoffice.org-help-en-gb, but it's still asking for me to supply it.
[22:27] <MuzerNtbk> ah, I had to change my language to en-GB (it wasn't for some reason) in OO.o.
[22:27] <MuzerNtbk> it's working now, thanks anyway for your time
[22:41] <BajK> how do I prevent plasma netbook's panel to automatically hide?
[22:44] <James147> BajK: click the cachew (the thig in the corner of the screen, probally on the opposite side to the panel) and option should apear above/below the panel to enable/disable auto hide (at least on kde 4.5)
[22:47] <BajK> James147: that's what I have read, that it is now possible in KDE 4.5 but I didnt find it. mom, starting KDE 4.5.1
[22:48] <BajK> James147: if I click on the cashew, there opens a strip with "add mini programs", "add applications", "comnfigure search&run", "lock page" and the rest i cannot read because of the small screen width
[22:48] <James147> BajK: right click on the panel > unlock panel then try agaiun :)
[22:49] <BajK> James147: aaah
[22:49] <BajK> thanks :)
[22:49] <BajK> works the same way as in plasma desktop but I wasnt used to that^^
[22:57] <BajK> Wow, at trying KDE's plasma-netbook shell I relly wanna get a tablet pc :) I love it
[22:57] <James147> :D
[22:58] <BajK> James147: it's simple and easy, one application at a time but not as shitty as on apples ipad :)
[22:58] <James147> BajK: one? I have loads running when i use it :)
[22:58] <BajK> James147: of course (: but I love that fullscreen application thingie
[22:58] <BajK> and application switching is quick'n'easy
[22:59] <James147> BajK: :) they arnt really full screened... just boarderless when maximised
[22:59] <BajK> ;) i know and you can restore them if you like
[22:59] <BajK> if I had an real good on screen keyboard that automatically pops up when a text field gets focus, it'd be perfectly suited for tabled pcs
[22:59] <BajK> (or is there?)
[23:00] <James147> BajK: and to switch you have alt+tab as we as clicking on the window widget thing
[23:00] <BajK> yes :)
[23:00] <James147> BajK: there is a keyboard widget
[23:00] <BajK> and I love those plasma "pages", it's not as cluttered or complicated as I consider the activities but still good
[23:00] <James147> dosnt auto popup, but its better then nothing :)
[23:01] <James147> BajK: those "pages" are activities :)
[23:01] <BajK> ah nice
[23:01] <BajK> yes, but better "Packaged" :P
[23:01] <James147> its the first place activites are areally used in an intresting way
[23:02] <BajK> aaah, now i have set the keyboard widget to the already predefined "Tablet" option. Now the buttons are big as hell and no unneccessary ones, and switching between numbers and stuff :)
[23:02] <BajK> unfortunately, no question mark there
[23:02] <BajK> on the main page
[23:03] <James147> BajK: there is with shift
[23:03] <BajK> ah
[23:04] <BajK> it'd be nice if I could add that keyboard widget to system tray rather than having an additional widgfet next to it which looks kinda weird
[23:04] <BajK> seems to havent been reported
[23:06] <BajK> James147: can I also make the dfesktop containment scroll on plasma-desktop? I noticed that the "page one" containment (desktop) scrolls when I have more widgets than there is room for
[23:07]  * James147 loves how powerful kde (and linux in general) can be once configued the right way :)
[23:08] <BajK> James147: I do love how flexible that plasma stuff is. Activities can be "reused" as pages for organizing widgets on small screens, and stuff. Amarok does use plasma as well
[23:08] <James147> BajK: you can... the default desktop cannot, but if you have the plasma-netbook installed you can change the default desktop to the newpapaer activity to get the same behavious
[23:08] <BajK> how to remove or add new pages?
[23:09] <BajK> the bar on the bottom is too wide
[23:09] <BajK> to see all options
[23:09] <BajK> virtualbox only features 800x600
[23:09] <BajK> ah ok context menu featrures those as well
[23:09] <BajK> James147: ah yes, the newspaper activity features that
[23:10] <James147> .. should be one of the options when you click the caschew... execpt its missing on the search and launch page
[23:10] <James147> and virtualbox should beablet o get higher res then that :)
[23:10] <BajK> hm, locking widgets should be an option on the "desktop" as well
[23:11] <BajK> not only on the control pane
[23:11] <BajK> context menu but well its in the cashwe
[23:12] <BajK> maybe they're planning   a plasma-tablet :P
[23:12] <James147> :) no, plasma-netbook should cover tables as well
[23:13] <BajK> so the only thing that is really annoying and making it useless for tablets is the missing "good" keyboard
[23:13] <James147> BajK: thats just one widget that needs to be improved :)
[23:15] <James147> BajK: ahh, the keyboard widget screwed up my actual keyboard :S
[23:16] <BajK> :D
[23:17] <BajK> What I'd like to have concerning the keyboard widget: Have it automatically appear when an input field gets focus, keep focus on input field when triggering the keyboard widget (the search bar on the search and run panel loses focus when triggering the keyboard), make the keyboard be put into the system tray (and overhaul its icon!!!) and make the keyboard be able to float on screen rather than being sticked to the panel all the time
[23:17] <BajK> , as it often covers input fields that are naturally at the top of the screen
[23:19] <James147> BajK: there was also a keyboard program that ran in the systray... cant recal its name though
[23:20] <BajK> Yeah there was/is
[23:20] <BajK> kvkbd
[23:20] <James147> ^^ add to that list "do not change the keyboard alyout when started"...
[23:20] <BajK> But I don't like that there are applications AND widgets serving the same purpose. Plasma widgets are so much more customizable and flexible than "tray applications" are
[23:22] <BajK> and it's kinda annoying that also confirmation windows such as "Are you sure to save changes" are automatically maximized
[23:23] <BajK> also that search in kickoff menu and that search and run page is sometimes quite annoying. Type "kp" it finds nothing, type "kpa" it finds kpatience
[23:23] <James147> BajK: I think the program was created for kde3... and  just stuck around :) the widget is ment to replace it as far as I know
[23:23] <BajK> I'd like to see kmix and klipper being removed by widgets as well
[23:23] <BajK> especially kmix
[23:23] <James147> BajK: yeah, I have starting manually applying window settings to each that should to stop them :)
[23:23] <BajK> :D:D
[23:24] <BajK> aren't they a different "class" of window, like "dialog" or so?
[23:24] <James147> ... there is, although I was doing to it various other windows as well :)
[23:24] <BajK> ah kay
[23:24] <James147> and mostly made a mess of it :)_
[23:25] <BajK> I like kwin's customizability :D for example that you can put ANY window you like always on front or maximize it (espeically wine's virtual desktop)
[23:25] <BajK> And since KDE 4.4's window snap features I am really glad to have two monitors
[23:26] <BajK> and that menu widget is also nice, so you don't waste unneccessary space with menubars
[23:26] <James147> BajK: what version of kde are you using?
[23:26] <BajK> KDE 4.5.1
[23:26] <James147> :)
[23:27] <BajK> on Kubuntu 10.04 and now messing around in virtualbox with 10.10. There you can switch between the netbook and desktop shell on the fly
[23:27] <BajK> without even having to restart or so
[23:27] <James147> BajK: you can do taht on lucid, you just need to install plasma-netbook
[23:27] <James147> (maverick just comes with both rather then one by default)
[23:27] <BajK> ah, in 10.10 it is bundled automatically :)
[23:27] <BajK> yes^^
[23:28] <BajK> unfortunately i didn't encounter an option in setup to choose which i'd like to have
[23:28] <BajK> I hate those stupid netbook or tabled operating systems with so few features, so plasma-netbook is an excellent compromise
[23:28] <James147> BajK: its ment to try to auto detect and let the user chane it after if they dont like it
[23:29] <BajK> how should it auto-detect? if the user's screen size is low and hardware slow?^^
[23:29] <BajK> i really like 10.10's installer, it starts to install right after you set partitions, and then asks for timezone, username etc
[23:29] <James147> BajK: not entirly sure, but my guess is screen res is one thing they check :)
[23:29] <BajK> (but partition manager is still slow as hell)
[23:30] <BajK> It took me about 20 minutes on my mother's pc (Pentium 4 2,8 GHz, 1GB ram) to set /boot, swap, / and /home
[23:30] <BajK> and another 20 minutes before that removing all windows partitions
[23:30] <BajK> and then the installer crashed :D
[23:30] <James147> :S shouldnt be taht slow
[23:30] <BajK> it took 2 minutes after clicking on OK till it was finished with "loading partition table" and "upadting" and bla
[23:30] <James147> i am gona need to relog, cant seem to change my keyboard back to the way it was :(
[23:32] <BajK> really really reaaaally nice. Playing freecell on plasma-netbook. Having the menu widget, disabled status bar (as it just displays wheter you can win the game and how many cards you moved) and removing symbol bar as those features are available from the menu as well, it is really nice
[23:33] <James147> thats better :)
[23:34] <BajK> I hope in Kubuntu 10.10 that menu widget is placed in the panel automaically
[23:34] <James147> BajK: for netbook it will be i think
[23:35] <BajK> man, i was almost winning and then kpat hung
[23:35] <BajK> ^^
[23:36] <BajK> eh, how do I log out? :D
[23:37] <Daijoubu> Hello :) how can i setup pppoe connection in KDE? I used the pppoeconf in terminal to get my internets working, is there a betetr way? When i create a DSL connection in network settings and chose auto connect nothing happens
[23:37] <James147> BajK: alt+f2: logout :)  there is also the logout widget on the panel (or should be)
[23:37] <BajK> no other way?
[23:38] <elijah> In dolphin, is there a way to show the address/location bar PLUS the click-able breadcrumb trail? All I can see is one OR the other.
[23:38] <James147> BajK: what other way do you want?
[23:38] <BajK> a button just on the search and run page
[23:38] <BajK> another widget in the panel, it's almost full^^
[23:38] <BajK> ah oh, right click on desktop
[23:39] <James147> elijah: you mean display them one on top of the other?
[23:39] <elijah> James147: Yes
[23:39] <BajK> hm, the Unlock Widgets button in Systemtray settings does not work, seems a bug related to the fact, there is no "desktop" but that other activity
[23:39] <James147> elijah: not as far as I know...
[23:39] <Daijoubu> any help o-o?
[23:39] <James147> elijah: why it a problem?
[23:39] <James147> ^^ i tend to find it quick and easy to switch between them :)
[23:40] <elijah> James147: It would be ideal
[23:40] <James147> Daijoubu: I would but I dont know much about pppoe connection :) and appeantly noone else that is currently watching seem to either
[23:41] <Daijoubu> James147: how do ge the DSL conenction to activate? o-o
[23:41] <Daijoubu> *do you get
[23:41] <Daijoubu> oh gosh i can't type :)
[23:41] <James147> Daijoubu: I use ADSL and my router handles the conection to the outside world :)
[23:41] <Daijoubu> i configured a DSL connection but how do you trigger it?
[23:42] <BajK> Why are there THREE different things to lock?
[23:42] <BajK> I can lock pages, panels and widgets
[23:42] <James147> elijah: it wasnt designed that way as it takes up allot more space, and since you can click on it to change it to the editable mode and press the tick or <esc> to change it back it just seems a wate
[23:43] <James147> BajK: ... yeah, that does seem abit much
[23:43] <BajK> in order to change the widgets in systemtray, I had to rightclick the panel and then choose Unlock widgets
[23:43] <BajK> Unlocking "page" does not work which appears when rightclicking the "desktop"
[23:43] <elijah> James147: Thanks for clarifying, I can live with that trick!
[23:43] <James147> elijah:  :)
[23:44] <BajK> I already submitted a bugreport
[23:44] <BajK> 5 new bug reports concerning plasma-netbook..^^
[23:44] <James147> BajK: heh
[23:45] <BajK> and that (Un)lock widgets or panels result in the same, the widgets get unlock, and they both are doing the same and working the same
[23:45] <BajK> But that page thing is still weird
[23:45] <James147> BajK: can you pm me the links? :)
[23:46] <James147> BajK: also you might want to consider joining #plasma
[23:48]  * James147 is begning to see the benifit of teh new window tiling in 4.5... shame it still dosnt work for dualscreens in a suable way :(
[23:51] <BajK> any recommondations for a tablet than can run kde plasma netbook? :P
[23:55] <BajK> how do i disable window dragging in an empty area of a window?
[23:56] <James147> BajK: system settings > workspace appearance > Window decoration > configure window decoration... somewher e in there if i remember correctly
[23:56]  * James147 really needs to find something better to do then memorise all the settings locations :)
[23:58] <BajK> hm  i dont find it, there is in window behavior at tab "moving" but theres nothing about that, just "display content while dragging" etc