bdmurraycrimsun_: as a developer you are member anyway so its redundant01:39
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stlsaintzeroseven0183: you in austin?02:04
stlsainthehe, get it02:05
stlsaint(lame i know) long day for me :P02:05
zeroseven0183stlsaint: No. It's just part of my first name02:07
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TheMusicGuySomeone on #ubuntu thinks I've found a bug that has to do with the latest kernel that may be causing the boot process to fail.02:47
TheMusicGuyHe directed me here.02:47
yofelTheMusicGuy: could you give a short overview over your issue?02:53
TheMusicGuyI just upgraded to the latest kernel. When I went to restart, I booted as usual, but during the boot process I got an error message that said the system had given up waiting for the root device, then it sent me to an (intramfs) prompt. No drives were mounted.02:55
TheMusicGuyI'm trying to find a way to get the exact text of the error.02:55
TheMusicGuyIt isn't dumped to /var/log/messages because it occurs before the root filesystem is even mounted.02:55
yofelyou could take a photo of the screen when it happens. I have to go to bed so can't help you anymore, if nobody else can give you any advice, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' stating the kernel version that's broken and attach the screenshot02:57
yofellifeless: that won't help either as that's the current kernel log02:58
lifelessyofel: yes, but in early userspace thats the log to look at02:58
TheMusicGuyI tried that from the initramfs prompt, but the error didn't seem to be listed02:58
lifelessTheMusicGuy: there isn't necessarily an error02:58
TheMusicGuywell, the message wasn't listed02:59
crimsun_bdmurray: ok, thanks03:01
lifelessmay be useful03:01
TheMusicGuyI'll be back in a minute with more information.03:05
TheMusicGuyOk, I'm back with slightly more information.03:36
TheMusicGuyWhen the boot process drops into the busybox terminal, the error is that it cannot find the file /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxx03:37
TheMusicGuywhere xxxxxxxx is my root device's UUID.03:37
TheMusicGuysure enough, /dev/disk doesn't even exist.03:37
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TheMusicGuyHowever, /dev/sda6 actually does exist, which is where that UUID points.03:37
TheMusicGuyIf I change the linux kernel root to "root=/dev/sda6" from the grub boot prompt, I can get the system to start.03:38
TheMusicGuyHowever, there is an unusually long hang after my USB devices are detected.03:40
TheMusicGuyThis is all after updating to the latest kernel.03:41
TheMusicGuy(I mean after upgrading from Linux 2.6.32-22-generic to Linux 2.6.32-24-generic is when this started happening)03:48
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trinikrono_hello guys is there any mentors availible06:42
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vishtrinikrono_: just ask questions here :)07:22
trinikrono_hey vish07:22
trinikrono_can you quiz me and see if i am ready to join bugcontrol07:22
trinikrono_i am wondering how much i need to learn still07:23
vishtrinikrono_: hmmm, quiz!!!!!!! :)07:24
vishtrinikrono_: BC is not a huge deal ... you just need to know whats on the wiki , and make sure you set the right importances.. lets see, any bugs you've triaged recently?07:25
trinikrono_vish: lemme find some good ones07:26
trinikrono_these days i am only finding x bugs and really old ones07:26
vishtrinikrono_: right , the X guys are usually around on weekdays.. :)07:27
vishon #u-x07:27
trinikrono_i was thinking to join the x-swat if they play nice with me lol07:28
vishtrinikrono_: so, you got to wait for them to reply, or ask the appropriate question . :)07:28
vishtrinikrono_: need not be a swat to triage X bugs. :)07:28
trinikrono_vish: yes i tend to look for packages to assign07:29
trinikrono_and most of them end up being x bugs lol07:29
vishtrinikrono_: right , have you seen their wiki?07:29
vishtrinikrono_: how they like the bug titles, etc..?07:29
trinikrono_i am trying07:30
vishtrinikrono_: yeah , X triage is not easy. :)  but try during weekdays, ask Q there while triaging..07:30
trinikrono_okie look at bug 23604607:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 236046 in checkgmail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "checkgmail tray background colour cannot be changed (affects: 27) (heat: 148)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23604607:31
vishtrinikrono_: bug title is [chipset] title07:31
* vish looks07:31
trinikrono_yes i try to do that07:31
trinikrono_i am not sure what to do with the patch though07:32
trinikrono_building patches looks a little tough right now07:32
vishtrinikrono_: seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix  ?07:34
vishtrinikrono_: there is 'testing the fixes' section07:34
trinikrono_i was looking at that just now07:35
trinikrono_i was reading the patches wikipage before07:35
vishtrinikrono_: but that is not a requirement for BC though..07:35
trinikrono_well i am trying to learn here anyways07:35
trinikrono_i can show you a xorg bug i am working on07:36
trinikrono_bug 60144107:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 601441 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i845G] Running Firefox crashes X (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60144107:36
vishtrinikrono_: yeah , did you ask the reporter to check with a new firefox profile?07:38
trinikrono_well it was a xorg bug07:38
vishtrinikrono: might be one of his extensions.. causing the Xorg crash..07:38
trinikrono_those i845g chipset people07:38
trinikrono_get a lot of trouble in lucid07:39
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vishtrinikrono_: i said might be.. :)07:39
trinikrono_because at first it was assigned to firefox07:40
trinikrono_then they said no07:40
vishtrinikrono_: yeah , it need not be a firefox bug , but we need to narrow down  whats causing it..07:40
trinikrono_so dray told me to start asking people the lspci thing07:40
trinikrono_to see if it could be x related07:40
trinikrono_and i found this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes07:41
trinikrono_so i am afraid to upgrade to lucid lol07:41
vishtrinikrono_: just ask reporter to do the apport-collect , which should give enough info for the X folk..07:41
trinikrono_i still use jaunty07:41
trinikrono_yes he did it in the report07:42
vishheh, apport gone crazy! , it still hasnt marked bug incomplete -> new!07:43
trinikrono_so i can change it back to new for now07:43
trinikrono_until the x guys need something else from him?07:43
trinikrono_wait can this be considered triaged?07:44
vishtrinikrono_: but i would ask about the firefox profile too, before marking it new :)07:44
trinikrono_there is a wikipage that has a nice write up for that?07:45
trinikrono_to tell the user to create a new profile07:45
vishthe easiest way to do it , is to shut down firefox, move the .mozilla folder to somewhere else and then open firefox07:46
trinikrono_its on the debugging firefox page07:47
trinikrono_i thought i saw something on that already07:47
trinikrono_so would you of marked this bug as triaged?07:47
trinikrono_other than the profile thing07:47
vishnot yet..07:47
vishtrinikrono_: the problem with that bug is, the reporter has switched from ubuntu -> xubuntu , so even if we end up fixing the bug we wont know if we fixed it..07:48
trinikrono_but doesnt ubuntu and xubuntu use the same xorg drivers?07:49
vishyup.. but reporter claims no problems now..07:50
trinikrono_you know i saw something today in a bug report07:50
vishtrinikrono_: a few things that would help with that bug is : knowing how someone else can trigger the bug [ without knowing how to trigger the bug its difficult to fix] , 2 - knowing if the reporter can test the fix once we upload it07:51
trinikrono_that sometimes the kernel causes video problems also07:51
trinikrono_i thought it was just xorg07:51
vishtrinikrono_: so we need to know if the reporter did clean install or is just using a xubuntu session07:51
trinikrono_yes he said a he installed xubuntu-desktop07:52
trinikrono_but what i am studying07:52
trinikrono_if its a known issue in lucid07:52
trinikrono_should people continue to keep filing reports about it07:52
trinikrono_with the intel chipsets07:53
vishhmm, wondering if xubuntu uses compiz..07:54
trinikrono_hey i just noticed something07:55
trinikrono_you know the gresse monkey scripts has a response named collect it07:55
trinikrono_it is not the standard replies wiki page07:55
trinikrono_can i just add it in07:56
trinikrono_i am not sure what title to put though07:56
trinikrono_vish: will you look at it?07:58
vishtrinikrono_: not sure what you are talking about..07:58
trinikrono_this page07:59
trinikrono_does not have this07:59
trinikrono_which is a response in the launchpad firefox extension08:00
trinikrono_named collect it08:00
vishtrinikrono: ok.. just add it..  ;)08:01
vishif you are wrong we can burn you at the stake ;p08:01
micahgbut it shouldn't mention report a problem as that's gone in the stable release now08:02
vishmicahg: yeah, i had to locally fix that recently..08:03
vishheh , after commenting it on a bug.. i went doh!08:03
trinikrono_well once the reporter answers :D08:04
trinikrono_i get a lot of dead bugs08:04
trinikrono_micahg: what title do you think i should use08:04
vishmicahg: does xubuntu use compiz?08:04
trinikrono_general triage response?08:04
micahgvish: I think it can08:07
micahgtrinikrono: it should be something like Missing basic package information08:08
micahgtrinikrono: the page actually has it multiple times for topics it actually helps with like kernel, sound, and X08:08
trinikrono_i was going to put "apport collect"08:09
trinikrono_i took out the report a problem08:10
trinikrono_if you guys ok it i will save the changes on the wiki08:10
vishtrinikrono_: permissions for Launchpad  have also changed08:11
vishit now has only two options08:12
vishpreviously it was a 5-6 options.. now, iirc there is change anything and dont allow access08:12
trinikrono_so i can leave out from additionally ?08:14
trinikrono_it still needs that phyton package thing right vish08:14
vishdont think so..08:15
vishwhen i tried from a live cd , i had to do nothing, just had to select the options08:15
trinikrono_so the launchpad scripts needs to update then08:16
trinikrono_here is a nice safe one08:20
vishtrinikrono_: the live cd was a maverick one.. so not sure about the older versions ;)08:20
trinikrono_well might only be a issue with hardy just now from the looks of things08:20
trinikrono_my poor jaunty is going to die next month08:20
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trinikrono_hey if someone has a problem with ps/2 mouse crashing the system08:50
trinikrono_is that a bug in x or the kernel?08:51
trinikrono_generally speaking08:51
micahgtrinikrono_: generally start at the highest level, so try X first, there should be debugging tips on the X debugging page08:51
trinikrono_okie thanks micahg08:52
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trinikrono_will do08:52
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ankurhi , i wanted to know that can we launch apport to report bugs even if the application haven't crashed .How can i report bugs to launchpad using apport which are not crash related?12:41
yofelUsage: ubuntu-bug [options] [symptom|pid|package|program path|.apport/.crash file]12:42
yofelyou have  a few options to choose from if you want to file a bug about an application, just see 'ubuntu-bug --help12:43
yofelmeh, need to clean my keyboard :/12:43
yofelankur: does that answer your question, or do you need a more specific answer?12:47
ankuryofel,  thanks for your help , i was just checking the option12:47
ankurnow , when i tried using it for reporting bug for sugar-emulator-0.88 , it said it is not a genuine Ubuntu package . any pointers?12:48
yofelankur: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy sugar-emulator-0.88' please?12:49
ankurjust a second :)12:49
ankuryofel,  ^^12:51
yofelright, we don't support filing bugs about ppa packages at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ - does the sugar team have a seperate project for bug tracking?12:53
ankuryofel, getting back to you , just checking somethings12:56
tbsdy_livestrying to work out the stacktrace for bug 564773... it doesn't look like the source code lines in the stacktrace sync with the source!14:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 564773 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_viewport_set_hadjustment() (affects: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56477314:23
penguin42how do you mean?14:26
tbsdy_livesso when I look at the stacktrace that apport-retrace has done (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44444112/Stacktrace.txt) then the last line points to /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.0/gtk/gtktextbufferserialize.c:9514:28
tbsdy_livesin the function start_element_handler14:29
tbsdy_livesI'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but when I look at the source for that file, that line is actually in deserialize_value !14:29
penguin42is it the same version?14:30
tbsdy_livesshould be... let me recheck14:30
tbsdy_liveshold on... off by .114:30
tbsdy_livesit's gtk+2.0-2.220.114:30
penguin42tbsdy_lives: Having said that, you could be seeing the result of some compiler inlining/optimisation14:31
tbsdy_livesah... but would that cause the line-numbers to be off?14:32
penguin42it can cause quite a few things, like saying you're in one function when you're actually executing code from another function that was inlined, or the fact that optimisation has shared code between a number of source lines14:33
tbsdy_livesah... in that case, without more info how would one debug that issue?14:34
penguin42tbsdy_lives: It normally gets you to within a few lines of where it happened; doesn't know that bits of Gnome foo14:35
tbsdy_livesic... so you need to go down the stacktrace?14:35
penguin42yeh; I mean if you look at that stack trace, without understanding what start_element_handler is supposed to do I'd guess element_name is supposed to be a string that makes sense but it's shown as "\017"14:36
tbsdy_lives\0 - null ?14:37
penguin42\0 is null, but \017 is 15 decimal which is most liekly just junk14:38
tbsdy_livesnot good...14:39
penguin42so that says it's likely not start_element_handler's fault, but where it was called from - but how far back the bad data came from is I guess difficult to tell - and it's a shame the tracer hasn't maanaged to find more from libgobject14:40
* penguin42 grrrs as his bug won't trigger with debugging turned on14:48
jarlathI want to report a bug I'm having since upgrading - but I don't know what package to assign it to. It's a USB to Ethernet adaptor that worked with Karmic, but is lifless on Lucid. There used to be a document on packages associated with certain problems, but I can't find it.15:26
penguin42jarlath: Sounds like a driver bug and thus report it against linux15:32
jarlathThanks penguin42, I'll do that.15:32
penguin42does anyone know if ubuntu-bug -u for updates works with -s for symptom - i.e. can I tell someone to do ubuntu-bug -u xxxx -s audio ?16:13
vishdoes anyone know the main bug for  Bug #630671  ?16:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 630671 in yelp (Ubuntu) "wtf? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63067116:16
penguin42that almost looks like a missing font or wrong encoding16:19
MichealHvish, Dont worry I have dont the nessecary action(s)16:28
ubot2Launchpad bug 630671 in yelp (Ubuntu) "wtf? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]16:28
penguin42the screenshot on bug 630751 is great16:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 630751 in ubuntu "text (and diagrams) garbled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63075116:29
vishMichealH: that is a bug in maverick.. there *must* be a main bug..16:31
MichealHBut Its we need more info16:31
vishMichealH: for what?16:31
MichealHvish, To replicate and Get it ready for fixing16:32
vishMichealH: when we know there must be a dupe, no need to waste time.. better use of time is to look for the main bug ;)16:32
vishMichealH: are you triaging again from windows! ;)16:32
MichealHvish, Uhh Im not asking for triage16:32
* MichealH gets BSOD16:33
vishhehe ;)16:33
MichealHCopuld bug 630751 and the Bug 630751 be duplicates?16:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 630751 in ubuntu "text (and diagrams) garbled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63075116:34
crimsun_penguin42: [RE: apport] not directly, but one certainly can use apport-cli then apport-collect16:34
MichealHCould they be dups?16:34
vishMichealH: how can a bug be a dup of itself ;p16:34
crimsun_penguin42: it's hinted at in the man page of the latter, but perhaps we could document it more explicitly16:34
MichealHI mean the WTF bug and that one16:34
MichealHvish, ^^16:35
vishMichealH: no, not the same16:35
MichealHShould we still keep the WTF bug Incomplete?16:35
penguin42crimsun_: So you mean run apport-cli audio   and then apport-collect with the bug number to update?16:36
penguin42is there a package explicitly for assigning test bugs to ?16:48
penguin42I've got a habit of using hello but I guess the hello maintainer probably doesn't appreciate that16:49
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micahgMichealH: BTW, there was enough info to reproduce that wtf bug, you just had to open yelp18:45
gnomefreakmicahg: thanks for the gnome-shell fix19:05
micahggnomefreak: np, it works?19:08
gnomefreakmicahg: not sure yet i am working on other things but it does install19:08
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micahgwell, that's the easy part, the question is will it launch :)19:08
gnomefreakonce i get the damn alias command right i will test it19:09
drizzlehi all19:10
drizzlecan someone mark 631011 as wishlist please19:10
gnomefreakbug 63101119:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 631011 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance (and Radiance) should include status icons for Dropbox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63101119:11
gnomefreakgot it19:11
vishgnomefreak:  its not a light-theme bug.. :D19:12
gnomefreakvish: all i did was mark it please feel free to fix it.19:12
* gnomefreak just waiting on a answer about something19:13
vishyup.. :)19:13
drizzlewhat is it?19:13
gnomefreakvish: thanks19:13
gnomefreakdrizzle: its a bug :)19:13
gnomefreaki closed the window already :(19:13
drizzlei meant what package is it?19:13
vishdrizzle: well we can add to ubuntu-mono package, i dont think we will be adding those icons.19:13
vishdrizzle: light-theme is just the gtk theme , and has nothing to do with icons..19:14
visherr, gnome*19:14
drizzleso it is ubuntu-mono?19:15
drizzlehow do we change?19:17
vishdrizzle: select the yellow pencil icon19:18
vishdrizzle: oh wait! we dont have for downstream task! , select the down arrow19:19
vishthen "choose.." , and change..19:19
drizzlewhat is your name in launch?19:22
vishdrizzle: why? ;)19:22
drizzledoes anyone know vish's name in launchpad?19:23
drizzlei changed it19:25
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vish  "Dear Alan,"  :)19:38
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drizzlecan someone close 552545, the reporter has stated it is fixed20:03
vishbug 55254520:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 552545 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "entering an invalid username creates a loop (affects: 1) (heat: 23)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55254520:04
drizzlecan 549195 be marked as triaged?20:05
vishdrizzle: you can close it too , if you are using the lp-gm-scripts use the unknown fix reply20:06
vishbug 54919520:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 549195 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity should give visual feedback that username cannot contains capital letter(s) (affects: 3) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54919520:06
drizzlei dont think i have access to close20:07
vishdrizzle: everyone has access to invalid ..20:08
drizzledoes lp-gm-scripts have chrome plugin?20:10
drizzlealso how do i find the dl for it?20:10
drizzleit says not files are associated with it20:10
micahgdrizzle: bdmurray was working on a chrome version of the scripts20:10
drizzlehow would i do it in firefox?20:11
yofeldrizzle: install the package from the scripts ppa20:11
yofelthere's a link to it on the top of bugs/responses20:11
yofel*at the top20:12
drizzlethank you yofel20:17
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intraderI have an account in launchpad, trying to report bug, but it wants 'package'; however, the bug is with all packages with UI.20:58
Muscovyintrader: What is the bug?20:59
intraderPerformance problems with UI in 10.04 (Reported in forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9782591#post9782591)21:01
Muscovy_If_ I were to give it a package I'd say xorg, but does it let you file the bug package-less?21:03
yofelapport requires packages, but you don't have to give a package on launchpad if you don't know it21:05
yofelthere's an "I don't know" option21:05
intraderMuscovy, I thought it would be Xorg also, but it could be kernel. I'm in Find the right package, but nothing fits21:06
Muscovyintrader: Probably pick whichever seems more likely, since the apport info will be useful.21:08
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drizzlei have a question21:10
drizzlei installed a greasemonkey script21:10
drizzlethe karma suffix one21:10
drizzlehow do i actually execute it?21:10
MuscovyDoes it have a .sh prefix?21:11
yofel_intrader: have you tried another gtk theme?21:11
yofel_drizzle: er, check in the ffx addons if they're enabled, if yes, it will execute itself when you open  a LP  page21:11
yofel_Muscovy: we talked about the firefox-lp-scripts21:11
drizzleits automatic?21:11
yofel_drizzle: if you installed the package from the ppa yes21:11
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drizzleit worked21:12
drizzlethank you21:12
drizzlei just needed to reload the page21:12
intraderMuscovy, thanks - I am leaning on 'compiz' - however, the 'effects' are 'none'.21:12
drizzlecan someone please mark 631045 as triaged?21:12
yofelintrader: have you tried another theme? what value does gtkperf (you have to install it) give you?21:13
charlie-tcabug 63104521:13
ubot2Launchpad bug 631045 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "unable to print slide selection in OOo Impress (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63104521:13
drizzlei found an upstream bug for it and verified it personally21:14
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intraderyofel: I have tried other theme. I am installing gtkperf21:14
charlie-tcadrizzle: does OO.o consider windows and linux the same for bugs? Not all upstreams do.21:15
intraderyofel,  it gives main result of 0.40. There are many tests, should I run?21:16
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yofelyes please21:16
yofeljust use test all, takes less than a minute21:16
drizzlei didnt realize that21:17
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drizzlei am unsure21:17
charlie-tcaI don't know OpenOffice enough to say, either. Will have to let someone else look at this one.21:17
intraderyofel, total time of 42.08 - lots of measurements!21:18
yofelhm, I get a value of 39 on my EeePC which isn't very fast.21:21
yofelintrader: add that to the report when you file it, I don't know too much about gtk performance, maybe someone else can tell you more21:22
yofel(and I'm running out of battery here in a few minutes -.-)21:22
intraderyofel, this is Dell Inspiron 8200 (an old machine that runs Windows XP and Windows 7 Ok, and used to run 9.04 Ok)21:22
yofelintrader: you might ask in #ubuntu-x for more debugging help or if you find something helpful on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting21:24
intraderyofel, by OK on 9.04 I have to add, there was no Skype, but the UI was snappy. I suspect that it is not gtk, but Xorg or kernel I will follow up with #ubuntu-x21:24
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intraderyofel, there does not seem to be anybofy in #ubuntu-x. Thanks for your help. I will add the file info to the bug report.21:32
yofelintrader: there are people there, if they're online or not is another question though ;)21:32
yofeland I'm out too, battery empty21:33
intraderyofel, I understand, thanks  - when you come back!21:36
intraderIf I don't have a package identified, how can I use ubuntu-bug to file a bug report?21:48
MuscovyIf you don't have a package chosen, I don't think you can use ubuntu-bug.21:52
MuscovyYou could use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect21:52
BUGabundobRoas Noites21:54
intraderMuscovy, thanks that is great. I will go there21:55
MuscovyUsing ubuntu-bug is recommended for when you do have a package, however.21:56
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intraderAll, I have reported a bug #632230. Thanks for your help. I hope the ubuntu triage kicks in favorably.22:17
ubot2intrader: Error: Bug #632230 not found.22:17
intraderAll, sorry its is #63113022:18
intraderubot2, that was way fast to find the bug report missing, how did you do that?22:19
ubot2intrader: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:19
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Muscovyintrader: There's how. ;D22:20
intraderAll, how do I write bots for this list?22:20
MuscovyNo idea.22:20
MuscovyYou can request them for your channel though.22:21
intraderMuscovy, what is ';D'?22:21
MuscovyA face.22:22
intraderMuscovy, no way ... :)22:22
kklimondaintrader: can you assign you bug to the right package?22:29
kklimondaintrader: you could assign it to either kernel or X yourself and it would get reassigned by developers22:30
intraderkklimonda, I have tried several ways to identify the package, The bug report #631130 had been filed22:34
yofelbug 63113022:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 631130 in ubuntu "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63113022:34
intraderyofel, that is it (with the aid of the bot - I have no idea how you all do it)22:35
yofelintrader: 'bug <bugnumber' :P22:35
yofelubot2 will react to it22:35
ubot2yofel: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:35
yofel*that* I know XD22:36
micahgintrader: nvidia 96 I think is known to have issues with KMS22:36
intradermicahg, I have the same problems without it. Also without compiz22:36
intradermicahg, what is KMS. You guys are way over my head! and what face is ;D ?22:38
micahgintrader: kernel mode support22:38
charlie-tcaAFAIK, nvidia 96 is not in maverick now22:39
micahgcharlie-tca: yes it is22:40
micahg!info nvidia-96 maverick22:40
intrader!info nvidia-96 maverick22:40
charlie-tcaIt is not coming up here in hardware drivers, and my nvidia would like to have it22:40
yofelafaik doesn't work though. (doesn't support xserver 1.9 yet I think)22:40
yofelcharlie-tca: it was disabled I think22:41
micahgyea, that could be22:41
charlie-tcaThat is probably right22:41
intradermicahg, I have disabled and enabled it for testing purposes22:41
intraderyofel, what version of Xorg - how do I find out?22:42
yofellucid uses xserver 1.722:42
yofel!info xserver-xorg-core lucid22:42
yofelubot2: info xserver-xorg-core lucid22:43
ubot2yofel: xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (lucid), package size 2352 kB, installed size 4468 kB22:43
ubot2yofel: xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (lucid), package size 2352 kB, installed size 4468 kB22:43
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yofelubot2: info nvidia-96 maverick22:43
ubot2yofel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.22:43
charlie-tcaheh, broke it.22:44
yofeljpds: ^22:44
intraderyofel, what is all this? gurus breaking things?22:44
yofelintrader: something like that, yeah ...22:44
charlie-tcaintrader: keeps new people from breaking things.22:44
intradercharlie-tca, yofel how dictatorial is that?22:46
charlie-tcaI show nvidia-96 version 96.43.18-0ubuntu1 listed in synaptic22:46
charlie-tcaintrader: not dictatorial, just keeps us from being surprised when someone else breaks it22:46
charlie-tcayofel: for maverick, that is22:47
intraderyofel, charlie-tca: by the way the driver I running is nvidia-96. As I noted, I have the same problems with driver removed.22:48
yofelintrader: removed as in: removed an rebooted? (just making sure)22:49
intraderyofel, removed and rebooted22:50
intraderyofel, charlie-tca, do either of you know what changes regardin UI behavior went into the latest kernel? I have same problems with Suse, Fedora, etc.22:51
charlie-tcaI do not22:52
yofeldefine 'latest' - latest would be 2.6.35 (maverick) for me22:52
yofeland no, I'm really not an expert on graphics performance22:53
intraderyofel, you are way ahead of the one used by lucid I suppose. How do I find out which version I am runing?22:53
yofellucid-updates has linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic, so you should be using that22:54
intraderyofel, how do I find out what my lucid is running?22:56
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charlie-tcaintrader: open a terminal and type "uname -a" without quotes22:58
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intradercharlie-tca, yofel, it confirms 2.6.32-24-generic. Thanks - but why 'uname', why not 'version'?23:00
charlie-tcabecause uname works, version doesn't23:00
charlie-tcauname is to get the kernel version23:00
charlie-tcaversion could be the version of anything installed or uninstalled23:00
intradercharlie-tca, as if the 'u' in uname meant anything. Unix...23:01
yofelapp names don't necessarily need to make sense, if you find out what app 'baobab' is in less than a minute I'll give you a cookie :P23:02
charlie-tcaI don't know. I do know linux is much more open about letting you find anything about anything, than Windows is in telling you anything23:02
intraderdisk usage analyzer (according to google)23:03
yofelyou actually made it, have a cookie :D23:03
intraderyofel, Google did it!23:03
charlie-tcaand then there is "apropos"23:04
intradercharlie-tca, Windows tries to do security by obscurity.23:04
charlie-tcaIt tries to do everything by obscurity, not just security23:05
charlie-tcaif you blur the subject enough, people will accept it23:05
charlie-tcaIt is kind of like cellphones. How many people on the street know what "3G" is/23:05
intraderMaybe some spyware.23:06
charlie-tcaThey know the letters mean cellphone reception, but it is really important to have "3G", right?23:06
intradercharlie-tca, by now everybody, what will be next after 4G?23:06
charlie-tcaWhat difference does it make what they call it, as long as you are convinced it is important23:07
yofelsure, at least 3G looks better on my cell phone than the antenna symbol :P (then again, I can live very well without UMTS)23:07
intraderyofel, now you are trying to 'outshine' UMTS...23:08
charlie-tcaThey could call it "goofy" and it would be just as important and necessary in peoples minds23:09
intraderyofel, charlie-tca you guys are fun!23:09
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charlie-tcaJust saying, the name means little, the results count23:10
intraderyofel, charlie-tca just to show you one annoying problem - click on #ubuntu, let it hover too long, get hand with icon facsimile of the xchat left column; wont' quit.23:15
intraderyofel, charlie-tca not until I hit esc a few times, then the darn icon flies away. GARBAGE!23:17
charlie-tcaeasy workaround: Don't do that23:18
charlie-tcaAre you using xchat or xchat-gnome?23:18
charlie-tcaIs that the only channel it does that with?23:19
charlie-tcaI can't seem to make it do that23:21
intradercharlie-tca, you are kidding me, --- all apps do the same thing. Started as noted with install of 9.10, then carried back to 9.04, and now 10.0423:22
charlie-tcaMust be xchat-gnome ?23:22
intradercharlie-tca, I have the same problem with mbbits, or google lists,23:23
charlie-tcaTried a different mouse?23:24
intradercharlie-tca, like if I hoover over 'Applications' I can make it happen, with or trackpoint of touchpad, same thing, with usb, same thing23:25
charlie-tcaMine stays an arrow (pointer) until clicked23:25
intradercharlie-tca, what I suspect, some change in 9.10 was carried forward to 10.04, then back updated to 9.0423:26
maple_leafif any canonical staff are monitoring this channel, please contact the webmaster of ubuntu.com and have them fix the 404 http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid23:53
yofelmaple_leaf: how did you get there?23:54
yofelcan't find that link on http://www.ubuntu.com/support23:55
maple_leafyofel: System > Help and Support. Click "commercial technical support"23:55
yofelthat's a bug in the help documentation then, not the website23:56
maple_leafI think it's packaged as gnome-user-guide23:56
maple_leafbut it could be easily fixed with a 301 on the site23:56
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