[01:39] <bdmurray> crimsun_: as a developer you are member anyway so its redundant
[02:04] <stlsaint> zeroseven0183: you in austin?
[02:05] <stlsaint> hehe, get it
[02:05] <stlsaint> (lame i know) long day for me :P
[02:07] <zeroseven0183> stlsaint: No. It's just part of my first name
[02:07] <zeroseven0183> ;-)
[02:47] <TheMusicGuy> Someone on #ubuntu thinks I've found a bug that has to do with the latest kernel that may be causing the boot process to fail.
[02:47] <TheMusicGuy> He directed me here.
[02:53] <yofel> TheMusicGuy: could you give a short overview over your issue?
[02:55] <TheMusicGuy> I just upgraded to the latest kernel. When I went to restart, I booted as usual, but during the boot process I got an error message that said the system had given up waiting for the root device, then it sent me to an (intramfs) prompt. No drives were mounted.
[02:55] <TheMusicGuy> I'm trying to find a way to get the exact text of the error.
[02:55] <TheMusicGuy> It isn't dumped to /var/log/messages because it occurs before the root filesystem is even mounted.
[02:57] <yofel> you could take a photo of the screen when it happens. I have to go to bed so can't help you anymore, if nobody else can give you any advice, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' stating the kernel version that's broken and attach the screenshot
[02:57] <lifeless> 'dmesg'
[02:58] <yofel> lifeless: that won't help either as that's the current kernel log
[02:58] <lifeless> yofel: yes, but in early userspace thats the log to look at
[02:58] <TheMusicGuy> I tried that from the initramfs prompt, but the error didn't seem to be listed
[02:58] <lifeless> TheMusicGuy: there isn't necessarily an error
[02:59] <TheMusicGuy> well, the message wasn't listed
[03:01] <lifeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot
[03:01] <crimsun_> bdmurray: ok, thanks
[03:01] <lifeless> may be useful
[03:05] <TheMusicGuy> I'll be back in a minute with more information.
[03:36] <TheMusicGuy> Ok, I'm back with slightly more information.
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> When the boot process drops into the busybox terminal, the error is that it cannot find the file /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxx
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> where xxxxxxxx is my root device's UUID.
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> sure enough, /dev/disk doesn't even exist.
[03:37] <TheMusicGuy> However, /dev/sda6 actually does exist, which is where that UUID points.
[03:38] <TheMusicGuy> If I change the linux kernel root to "root=/dev/sda6" from the grub boot prompt, I can get the system to start.
[03:40] <TheMusicGuy> However, there is an unusually long hang after my USB devices are detected.
[03:41] <TheMusicGuy> This is all after updating to the latest kernel.
[03:48] <TheMusicGuy> (I mean after upgrading from Linux 2.6.32-22-generic to Linux 2.6.32-24-generic is when this started happening)
[06:42] <trinikrono_> hello guys is there any mentors availible
[07:22] <vish> trinikrono_: just ask questions here :)
[07:22] <trinikrono_> hey vish
[07:22] <vish> o/
[07:22] <trinikrono_> can you quiz me and see if i am ready to join bugcontrol
[07:23] <trinikrono_> i am wondering how much i need to learn still
[07:24] <vish> trinikrono_: hmmm, quiz!!!!!!! :)
[07:25] <vish> trinikrono_: BC is not a huge deal ... you just need to know whats on the wiki , and make sure you set the right importances.. lets see, any bugs you've triaged recently?
[07:26] <trinikrono_> vish: lemme find some good ones
[07:26] <trinikrono_> these days i am only finding x bugs and really old ones
[07:27] <vish> trinikrono_: right , the X guys are usually around on weekdays.. :)
[07:27] <vish> on #u-x
[07:28] <trinikrono_> i was thinking to join the x-swat if they play nice with me lol
[07:28] <vish> trinikrono_: so, you got to wait for them to reply, or ask the appropriate question . :)
[07:28] <vish> trinikrono_: need not be a swat to triage X bugs. :)
[07:29] <trinikrono_> vish: yes i tend to look for packages to assign
[07:29] <trinikrono_> and most of them end up being x bugs lol
[07:29] <vish> trinikrono_: right , have you seen their wiki?
[07:29] <trinikrono_> yes
[07:29] <vish> trinikrono_: how they like the bug titles, etc..?
[07:30] <trinikrono_> i am trying
[07:30] <vish> trinikrono_: yeah , X triage is not easy. :)  but try during weekdays, ask Q there while triaging..
[07:31] <trinikrono_> okie look at bug 236046
[07:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 236046 in checkgmail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "checkgmail tray background colour cannot be changed (affects: 27) (heat: 148)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236046
[07:31] <vish> trinikrono_: bug title is [chipset] title
[07:31]  * vish looks
[07:31] <trinikrono_> yes i try to do that
[07:32] <trinikrono_> i am not sure what to do with the patch though
[07:32] <trinikrono_> building patches looks a little tough right now
[07:34] <vish> trinikrono_: seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix  ?
[07:34] <vish> trinikrono_: there is 'testing the fixes' section
[07:35] <trinikrono_> ah
[07:35] <trinikrono_> i was looking at that just now
[07:35] <trinikrono_> i was reading the patches wikipage before
[07:35] <vish> trinikrono_: but that is not a requirement for BC though..
[07:35] <trinikrono_> well i am trying to learn here anyways
[07:36] <trinikrono_> i can show you a xorg bug i am working on
[07:36] <trinikrono_> bug 601441
[07:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601441 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i845G] Running Firefox crashes X (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601441
[07:38] <vish> trinikrono_: yeah , did you ask the reporter to check with a new firefox profile?
[07:38] <trinikrono_> well it was a xorg bug
[07:38] <vish> trinikrono: might be one of his extensions.. causing the Xorg crash..
[07:38] <trinikrono_> those i845g chipset people
[07:39] <trinikrono_> get a lot of trouble in lucid
[07:39] <trinikrono_> really?
[07:39] <vish> trinikrono_: i said might be.. :)
[07:39] <trinikrono_> okie
[07:40] <trinikrono_> because at first it was assigned to firefox
[07:40] <trinikrono_> then they said no
[07:40] <trinikrono_> :D
[07:40] <vish> trinikrono_: yeah , it need not be a firefox bug , but we need to narrow down  whats causing it..
[07:40] <trinikrono_> so dray told me to start asking people the lspci thing
[07:40] <trinikrono_> to see if it could be x related
[07:41] <trinikrono_> and i found this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[07:41] <trinikrono_> so i am afraid to upgrade to lucid lol
[07:41] <vish> trinikrono_: just ask reporter to do the apport-collect , which should give enough info for the X folk..
[07:41] <trinikrono_> i still use jaunty
[07:42] <trinikrono_> yes he did it in the report
[07:43] <vish> heh, apport gone crazy! , it still hasnt marked bug incomplete -> new!
[07:43] <trinikrono_> so i can change it back to new for now
[07:43] <trinikrono_> until the x guys need something else from him?
[07:44] <trinikrono_> wait can this be considered triaged?
[07:44] <vish> yup..
[07:44] <vish> trinikrono_: but i would ask about the firefox profile too, before marking it new :)
[07:45] <trinikrono_> there is a wikipage that has a nice write up for that?
[07:45] <vish> ?
[07:45] <trinikrono_> to tell the user to create a new profile
[07:46] <vish> the easiest way to do it , is to shut down firefox, move the .mozilla folder to somewhere else and then open firefox
[07:47] <trinikrono_> :D
[07:47] <trinikrono_> its on the debugging firefox page
[07:47] <trinikrono_> i thought i saw something on that already
[07:47] <trinikrono_> so would you of marked this bug as triaged?
[07:47] <trinikrono_> other than the profile thing
[07:47] <vish> not yet..
[07:48] <vish> trinikrono_: the problem with that bug is, the reporter has switched from ubuntu -> xubuntu , so even if we end up fixing the bug we wont know if we fixed it..
[07:49] <trinikrono_> but doesnt ubuntu and xubuntu use the same xorg drivers?
[07:50] <vish> yup.. but reporter claims no problems now..
[07:50] <trinikrono_> you know i saw something today in a bug report
[07:51] <vish> trinikrono_: a few things that would help with that bug is : knowing how someone else can trigger the bug [ without knowing how to trigger the bug its difficult to fix] , 2 - knowing if the reporter can test the fix once we upload it
[07:51] <trinikrono_> that sometimes the kernel causes video problems also
[07:51] <trinikrono_> i thought it was just xorg
[07:51] <vish> trinikrono_: so we need to know if the reporter did clean install or is just using a xubuntu session
[07:52] <trinikrono_> yes he said a he installed xubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <trinikrono_> but what i am studying
[07:52] <trinikrono_> if its a known issue in lucid
[07:52] <trinikrono_> should people continue to keep filing reports about it
[07:53] <trinikrono_> with the intel chipsets
[07:54] <vish> hmm, wondering if xubuntu uses compiz..
[07:55] <trinikrono_> hey i just noticed something
[07:55] <trinikrono_> you know the gresse monkey scripts has a response named collect it
[07:55] <trinikrono_> it is not the standard replies wiki page
[07:55] <vish> yup
[07:55] <vish> oh?
[07:56] <trinikrono_> can i just add it in
[07:56] <trinikrono_> i am not sure what title to put though
[07:58] <trinikrono_> vish: will you look at it?
[07:58] <vish> trinikrono_: not sure what you are talking about..
[07:59] <trinikrono_> this page
[07:59] <trinikrono_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[07:59] <trinikrono_> does not have this
[07:59] <trinikrono_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488619/
[08:00] <trinikrono_> which is a response in the launchpad firefox extension
[08:00] <trinikrono_> named collect it
[08:01] <vish> trinikrono: ok.. just add it..  ;)
[08:01] <vish> if you are wrong we can burn you at the stake ;p
[08:02] <micahg> but it shouldn't mention report a problem as that's gone in the stable release now
[08:03] <vish> micahg: yeah, i had to locally fix that recently..
[08:03] <vish> heh , after commenting it on a bug.. i went doh!
[08:04] <trinikrono_> well once the reporter answers :D
[08:04] <trinikrono_> i get a lot of dead bugs
[08:04] <trinikrono_> micahg: what title do you think i should use
[08:04] <vish> micahg: does xubuntu use compiz?
[08:04] <trinikrono_> general triage response?
[08:07] <micahg> vish: I think it can
[08:08] <micahg> trinikrono: it should be something like Missing basic package information
[08:08] <micahg> trinikrono: the page actually has it multiple times for topics it actually helps with like kernel, sound, and X
[08:09] <trinikrono_> i was going to put "apport collect"
[08:10] <trinikrono_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488623/
[08:10] <trinikrono_> i took out the report a problem
[08:10] <trinikrono_> if you guys ok it i will save the changes on the wiki
[08:11] <vish> trinikrono_: permissions for Launchpad  have also changed
[08:12] <vish> it now has only two options
[08:12] <trinikrono_> o.o
[08:12] <vish> previously it was a 5-6 options.. now, iirc there is change anything and dont allow access
[08:14] <trinikrono_> so i can leave out from additionally ?
[08:14] <trinikrono_> it still needs that phyton package thing right vish
[08:15] <vish> dont think so..
[08:15] <vish> when i tried from a live cd , i had to do nothing, just had to select the options
[08:16] <trinikrono_> :D
[08:16] <trinikrono_> so the launchpad scripts needs to update then
[08:20] <trinikrono_> here is a nice safe one
[08:20] <vish> trinikrono_: the live cd was a maverick one.. so not sure about the older versions ;)
[08:20] <trinikrono_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488627/
[08:20] <trinikrono_> well might only be a issue with hardy just now from the looks of things
[08:20] <trinikrono_> my poor jaunty is going to die next month
[08:50] <trinikrono_> hey if someone has a problem with ps/2 mouse crashing the system
[08:51] <trinikrono_> is that a bug in x or the kernel?
[08:51] <trinikrono_> generally speaking
[08:51] <micahg> trinikrono_: generally start at the highest level, so try X first, there should be debugging tips on the X debugging page
[08:52] <trinikrono_> okie thanks micahg
[08:52] <trinikrono_> will do
[12:41] <ankur> hi , i wanted to know that can we launch apport to report bugs even if the application haven't crashed .How can i report bugs to launchpad using apport which are not crash related?
[12:42] <yofel> well...
[12:42] <yofel> Usage: ubuntu-bug [options] [symptom|pid|package|program path|.apport/.crash file]
[12:43] <yofel> you have  a few options to choose from if you want to file a bug about an application, just see 'ubuntu-bug --help
[12:43] <yofel> ++*****
[12:43] <yofel> meh, need to clean my keyboard :/
[12:47] <yofel> ankur: does that answer your question, or do you need a more specific answer?
[12:47] <ankur> yofel,  thanks for your help , i was just checking the option
[12:47] <ankur> :)
[12:48] <ankur> now , when i tried using it for reporting bug for sugar-emulator-0.88 , it said it is not a genuine Ubuntu package . any pointers?
[12:49] <yofel> ankur: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy sugar-emulator-0.88' please?
[12:49] <ankur> just a second :)
[12:51] <ankur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/488719/
[12:51] <ankur> yofel,  ^^
[12:53] <yofel> right, we don't support filing bugs about ppa packages at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ - does the sugar team have a seperate project for bug tracking?
[12:56] <ankur> yofel, getting back to you , just checking somethings
[12:56] <ankur> :)
[12:56] <yofel> sure
[14:23] <tbsdy_lives> trying to work out the stacktrace for bug 564773... it doesn't look like the source code lines in the stacktrace sync with the source!
[14:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 564773 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_viewport_set_hadjustment() (affects: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564773
[14:26] <penguin42> how do you mean?
[14:28] <tbsdy_lives> so when I look at the stacktrace that apport-retrace has done (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44444112/Stacktrace.txt) then the last line points to /build/buildd/gtk+2.0-2.20.0/gtk/gtktextbufferserialize.c:95
[14:29] <tbsdy_lives> in the function start_element_handler
[14:29] <tbsdy_lives> I'm sure I'm doing something wrong, but when I look at the source for that file, that line is actually in deserialize_value !
[14:30] <penguin42> is it the same version?
[14:30] <tbsdy_lives> should be... let me recheck
[14:30] <tbsdy_lives> hold on... off by .1
[14:30] <tbsdy_lives> it's gtk+2.0-2.220.1
[14:31] <penguin42> tbsdy_lives: Having said that, you could be seeing the result of some compiler inlining/optimisation
[14:32] <tbsdy_lives> ah... but would that cause the line-numbers to be off?
[14:33] <penguin42> it can cause quite a few things, like saying you're in one function when you're actually executing code from another function that was inlined, or the fact that optimisation has shared code between a number of source lines
[14:34] <tbsdy_lives> ah... in that case, without more info how would one debug that issue?
[14:35] <penguin42> tbsdy_lives: It normally gets you to within a few lines of where it happened; doesn't know that bits of Gnome foo
[14:35] <tbsdy_lives> ic... so you need to go down the stacktrace?
[14:36] <penguin42> yeh; I mean if you look at that stack trace, without understanding what start_element_handler is supposed to do I'd guess element_name is supposed to be a string that makes sense but it's shown as "\017"
[14:37] <tbsdy_lives> \0 - null ?
[14:38] <penguin42> \0 is null, but \017 is 15 decimal which is most liekly just junk
[14:39] <tbsdy_lives> not good...
[14:40] <penguin42> so that says it's likely not start_element_handler's fault, but where it was called from - but how far back the bad data came from is I guess difficult to tell - and it's a shame the tracer hasn't maanaged to find more from libgobject
[14:48]  * penguin42 grrrs as his bug won't trigger with debugging turned on
[14:48] <tbsdy_lives> bummer
[15:26] <jarlath> I want to report a bug I'm having since upgrading - but I don't know what package to assign it to. It's a USB to Ethernet adaptor that worked with Karmic, but is lifless on Lucid. There used to be a document on packages associated with certain problems, but I can't find it.
[15:32] <penguin42> jarlath: Sounds like a driver bug and thus report it against linux
[15:32] <jarlath> Thanks penguin42, I'll do that.
[16:13] <penguin42> does anyone know if ubuntu-bug -u for updates works with -s for symptom - i.e. can I tell someone to do ubuntu-bug -u xxxx -s audio ?
[16:16] <vish> does anyone know the main bug for  Bug #630671  ?
[16:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630671 in yelp (Ubuntu) "wtf? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630671
[16:19] <penguin42> that almost looks like a missing font or wrong encoding
[16:28] <MichealH> vish, Dont worry I have dont the nessecary action(s)
[16:28] <MichealH> https://launchpad.net/bugs/630671
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630671 in yelp (Ubuntu) "wtf? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:29] <penguin42> the screenshot on bug 630751 is great
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630751 in ubuntu "text (and diagrams) garbled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630751
[16:30] <MichealH> Yeah
[16:31] <vish> MichealH: that is a bug in maverick.. there *must* be a main bug..
[16:31] <MichealH> Yeah
[16:31] <MichealH> But Its we need more info
[16:31] <vish> MichealH: for what?
[16:32] <MichealH> vish, To replicate and Get it ready for fixing
[16:32] <vish> MichealH: when we know there must be a dupe, no need to waste time.. better use of time is to look for the main bug ;)
[16:32] <vish> MichealH: are you triaging again from windows! ;)
[16:32] <MichealH> vish, Uhh Im not asking for triage
[16:33] <MichealH> BUT IM ON WINDOWS AND LIKE IT!
[16:33]  * MichealH gets BSOD
[16:33] <vish> hehe ;)
[16:33] <MichealH> :L
[16:34] <MichealH> Copuld bug 630751 and the Bug 630751 be duplicates?
[16:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630751 in ubuntu "text (and diagrams) garbled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630751
[16:34] <vish> o.0
[16:34] <crimsun_> penguin42: [RE: apport] not directly, but one certainly can use apport-cli then apport-collect
[16:34] <MichealH> Could they be dups?
[16:34] <vish> MichealH: how can a bug be a dup of itself ;p
[16:34] <MichealH> Uhh
[16:34] <MichealH> Ooops
[16:34] <crimsun_> penguin42: it's hinted at in the man page of the latter, but perhaps we could document it more explicitly
[16:34] <MichealH> I mean the WTF bug and that one
[16:35] <MichealH> vish, ^^
[16:35] <vish> MichealH: no, not the same
[16:35] <MichealH> Ahh
[16:35] <MichealH> Okay
[16:35] <MichealH> Should we still keep the WTF bug Incomplete?
[16:36] <penguin42> crimsun_: So you mean run apport-cli audio   and then apport-collect with the bug number to update?
[16:48] <penguin42> is there a package explicitly for assigning test bugs to ?
[16:49] <penguin42> I've got a habit of using hello but I guess the hello maintainer probably doesn't appreciate that
[18:45] <micahg> MichealH: BTW, there was enough info to reproduce that wtf bug, you just had to open yelp
[19:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks for the gnome-shell fix
[19:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: np, it works?
[19:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: not sure yet i am working on other things but it does install
[19:08] <micahg> well, that's the easy part, the question is will it launch :)
[19:09] <gnomefreak> once i get the damn alias command right i will test it
[19:10] <drizzle> hi all
[19:10] <drizzle> can someone mark 631011 as wishlist please
[19:11] <gnomefreak> bug 631011
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631011 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Ambiance (and Radiance) should include status icons for Dropbox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631011
[19:11] <gnomefreak> got it
[19:12] <vish> gnomefreak:  its not a light-theme bug.. :D
[19:12] <gnomefreak> vish: all i did was mark it please feel free to fix it.
[19:13]  * gnomefreak just waiting on a answer about something
[19:13] <vish> yup.. :)
[19:13] <drizzle> what is it?
[19:13] <gnomefreak> vish: thanks
[19:13] <gnomefreak> drizzle: its a bug :)
[19:13] <gnomefreak> i closed the window already :(
[19:13] <drizzle> i meant what package is it?
[19:13] <vish> drizzle: well we can add to ubuntu-mono package, i dont think we will be adding those icons.
[19:14] <vish> drizzle: light-theme is just the gtk theme , and has nothing to do with icons..
[19:14] <vish> err, gnome*
[19:15] <drizzle> so it is ubuntu-mono?
[19:16] <vish> yup..
[19:17] <drizzle> how do we change?
[19:18] <vish> drizzle: select the yellow pencil icon
[19:19] <vish> drizzle: oh wait! we dont have for downstream task! , select the down arrow
[19:19] <vish> then "choose.." , and change..
[19:22] <drizzle> vish
[19:22] <drizzle> what is your name in launch?
[19:22] <vish> drizzle: why? ;)
[19:23] <drizzle> does anyone know vish's name in launchpad?
[19:23] <vish> hehe!
[19:25] <drizzle> i changed it
[19:38] <vish>   "Dear Alan,"  :)
[20:03] <drizzle> can someone close 552545, the reporter has stated it is fixed
[20:04] <vish> bug 552545
[20:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 552545 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "entering an invalid username creates a loop (affects: 1) (heat: 23)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552545
[20:05] <drizzle> can 549195 be marked as triaged?
[20:06] <vish> drizzle: you can close it too , if you are using the lp-gm-scripts use the unknown fix reply
[20:06] <vish> bug 549195
[20:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549195 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity should give visual feedback that username cannot contains capital letter(s) (affects: 3) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549195
[20:07] <drizzle> i dont think i have access to close
[20:08] <vish> drizzle: everyone has access to invalid ..
[20:10] <drizzle> does lp-gm-scripts have chrome plugin?
[20:10] <drizzle> also how do i find the dl for it?
[20:10] <drizzle> it says not files are associated with it
[20:10] <micahg> drizzle: bdmurray was working on a chrome version of the scripts
[20:11] <drizzle> how would i do it in firefox?
[20:11] <yofel> drizzle: install the package from the scripts ppa
[20:11] <yofel> there's a link to it on the top of bugs/responses
[20:12] <yofel> *at the top
[20:17] <drizzle> thank you yofel
[20:58] <intrader> I have an account in launchpad, trying to report bug, but it wants 'package'; however, the bug is with all packages with UI.
[20:59] <Muscovy> intrader: What is the bug?
[21:01] <intrader> Performance problems with UI in 10.04 (Reported in forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9782591#post9782591)
[21:03] <Muscovy> _If_ I were to give it a package I'd say xorg, but does it let you file the bug package-less?
[21:05] <yofel> apport requires packages, but you don't have to give a package on launchpad if you don't know it
[21:05] <yofel> there's an "I don't know" option
[21:06] <intrader> Muscovy, I thought it would be Xorg also, but it could be kernel. I'm in Find the right package, but nothing fits
[21:08] <Muscovy> intrader: Probably pick whichever seems more likely, since the apport info will be useful.
[21:10] <drizzle> i have a question
[21:10] <drizzle> i installed a greasemonkey script
[21:10] <drizzle> the karma suffix one
[21:10] <drizzle> how do i actually execute it?
[21:11] <Muscovy> Does it have a .sh prefix?
[21:11] <yofel_> intrader: have you tried another gtk theme?
[21:11] <yofel_> drizzle: er, check in the ffx addons if they're enabled, if yes, it will execute itself when you open  a LP  page
[21:11] <drizzle> .js
[21:11] <yofel_> Muscovy: we talked about the firefox-lp-scripts
[21:11] <drizzle> k
[21:11] <drizzle> its automatic?
[21:11] <Muscovy> Ah.
[21:11] <yofel_> drizzle: if you installed the package from the ppa yes
[21:12] <yofel> better
[21:12] <drizzle> it worked
[21:12] <drizzle> thank you
[21:12] <drizzle> i just needed to reload the page
[21:12] <intrader> Muscovy, thanks - I am leaning on 'compiz' - however, the 'effects' are 'none'.
[21:12] <drizzle> can someone please mark 631045 as triaged?
[21:13] <yofel> intrader: have you tried another theme? what value does gtkperf (you have to install it) give you?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> bug 631045
[21:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631045 in openoffice.org (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "unable to print slide selection in OOo Impress (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631045
[21:14] <drizzle> i found an upstream bug for it and verified it personally
[21:14] <intrader> yofel: I have tried other theme. I am installing gtkperf
[21:15] <charlie-tca> drizzle: does OO.o consider windows and linux the same for bugs? Not all upstreams do.
[21:16] <intrader> yofel,  it gives main result of 0.40. There are many tests, should I run?
[21:16] <yofel> yes please
[21:16] <yofel> just use test all, takes less than a minute
[21:17] <drizzle> i didnt realize that
[21:17] <drizzle> i am unsure
[21:17] <charlie-tca> I don't know OpenOffice enough to say, either. Will have to let someone else look at this one.
[21:18] <intrader> yofel, total time of 42.08 - lots of measurements!
[21:21] <yofel> hm, I get a value of 39 on my EeePC which isn't very fast.
[21:22] <yofel> intrader: add that to the report when you file it, I don't know too much about gtk performance, maybe someone else can tell you more
[21:22] <yofel> (and I'm running out of battery here in a few minutes -.-)
[21:22] <intrader> yofel, this is Dell Inspiron 8200 (an old machine that runs Windows XP and Windows 7 Ok, and used to run 9.04 Ok)
[21:24] <yofel> intrader: you might ask in #ubuntu-x for more debugging help or if you find something helpful on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting
[21:24] <intrader> yofel, by OK on 9.04 I have to add, there was no Skype, but the UI was snappy. I suspect that it is not gtk, but Xorg or kernel I will follow up with #ubuntu-x
[21:32] <intrader> yofel, there does not seem to be anybofy in #ubuntu-x. Thanks for your help. I will add the file info to the bug report.
[21:32] <yofel> intrader: there are people there, if they're online or not is another question though ;)
[21:33] <yofel> and I'm out too, battery empty
[21:36] <intrader> yofel, I understand, thanks  - when you come back!
[21:48] <intrader> If I don't have a package identified, how can I use ubuntu-bug to file a bug report?
[21:52] <Muscovy> If you don't have a package chosen, I don't think you can use ubuntu-bug.
[21:52] <Muscovy> However,
[21:52] <Muscovy> You could use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect
[21:54] <BUGabundo> bRoas Noites
[21:55] <intrader> Muscovy, thanks that is great. I will go there
[21:56] <Muscovy> Using ubuntu-bug is recommended for when you do have a package, however.
[22:17] <intrader> All, I have reported a bug #632230. Thanks for your help. I hope the ubuntu triage kicks in favorably.
[22:17] <ubot2> intrader: Error: Bug #632230 not found.
[22:18] <intrader> All, sorry its is #631130
[22:19] <intrader> ubot2, that was way fast to find the bug report missing, how did you do that?
[22:19] <ubot2> intrader: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:20] <Muscovy> intrader: There's how. ;D
[22:20] <intrader> All, how do I write bots for this list?
[22:20] <Muscovy> No idea.
[22:20] <intrader> ;D
[22:21] <Muscovy> You can request them for your channel though.
[22:21] <intrader> Muscovy, what is ';D'?
[22:22] <Muscovy> A face.
[22:22] <intrader> Muscovy, no way ... :)
[22:29] <kklimonda> intrader: can you assign you bug to the right package?
[22:30] <kklimonda> intrader: you could assign it to either kernel or X yourself and it would get reassigned by developers
[22:34] <intrader> kklimonda, I have tried several ways to identify the package, The bug report #631130 had been filed
[22:34] <yofel> bug 631130
[22:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in ubuntu "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[22:35] <intrader> yofel, that is it (with the aid of the bot - I have no idea how you all do it)
[22:35] <yofel> intrader: 'bug <bugnumber' :P
[22:35] <yofel> ubot2 will react to it
[22:35] <ubot2> yofel: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[22:36] <yofel> *that* I know XD
[22:36] <micahg> intrader: nvidia 96 I think is known to have issues with KMS
[22:36] <intrader> micahg, I have the same problems without it. Also without compiz
[22:38] <intrader> micahg, what is KMS. You guys are way over my head! and what face is ;D ?
[22:38] <micahg> intrader: kernel mode support
[22:39] <charlie-tca> AFAIK, nvidia 96 is not in maverick now
[22:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes it is
[22:40] <micahg> !info nvidia-96 maverick
[22:40] <intrader> !info nvidia-96 maverick
[22:40] <charlie-tca> It is not coming up here in hardware drivers, and my nvidia would like to have it
[22:40] <yofel> afaik doesn't work though. (doesn't support xserver 1.9 yet I think)
[22:41] <yofel> charlie-tca: it was disabled I think
[22:41] <micahg> yea, that could be
[22:41] <charlie-tca> That is probably right
[22:41] <intrader> micahg, I have disabled and enabled it for testing purposes
[22:42] <intrader> yofel, what version of Xorg - how do I find out?
[22:42] <yofel> lucid uses xserver 1.7
[22:42] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-core lucid
[22:43] <yofel> ubot2: info xserver-xorg-core lucid
[22:43] <ubot2> yofel: xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (lucid), package size 2352 kB, installed size 4468 kB
[22:43] <ubot2> yofel: xserver-xorg-core (source: xorg-server): Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.2 (lucid), package size 2352 kB, installed size 4468 kB
[22:43] <yofel> ubot2: info nvidia-96 maverick
[22:43] <ubot2> yofel: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
[22:43] <yofel> o.O
[22:44] <charlie-tca> heh, broke it.
[22:44] <yofel> jpds: ^
[22:44] <intrader> yofel, what is all this? gurus breaking things?
[22:44] <yofel> intrader: something like that, yeah ...
[22:44] <charlie-tca> intrader: keeps new people from breaking things.
[22:46] <intrader> charlie-tca, yofel how dictatorial is that?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> I show nvidia-96 version 96.43.18-0ubuntu1 listed in synaptic
[22:46] <charlie-tca> intrader: not dictatorial, just keeps us from being surprised when someone else breaks it
[22:47] <charlie-tca> yofel: for maverick, that is
[22:47] <yofel> right
[22:48] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca: by the way the driver I running is nvidia-96. As I noted, I have the same problems with driver removed.
[22:49] <yofel> intrader: removed as in: removed an rebooted? (just making sure)
[22:49] <yofel> *and
[22:50] <intrader> yofel, removed and rebooted
[22:50] <yofel> ok
[22:51] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca, do either of you know what changes regardin UI behavior went into the latest kernel? I have same problems with Suse, Fedora, etc.
[22:52] <charlie-tca> I do not
[22:52] <yofel> define 'latest' - latest would be 2.6.35 (maverick) for me
[22:53] <yofel> and no, I'm really not an expert on graphics performance
[22:53] <intrader> yofel, you are way ahead of the one used by lucid I suppose. How do I find out which version I am runing?
[22:54] <yofel> lucid-updates has linux-image-2.6.32-24-generic, so you should be using that
[22:56] <intrader> yofel, how do I find out what my lucid is running?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> intrader: open a terminal and type "uname -a" without quotes
[23:00] <intrader> charlie-tca, yofel, it confirms 2.6.32-24-generic. Thanks - but why 'uname', why not 'version'?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> because uname works, version doesn't
[23:00] <yofel> heh
[23:00] <intrader> :)
[23:00] <charlie-tca> uname is to get the kernel version
[23:00] <charlie-tca> version could be the version of anything installed or uninstalled
[23:01] <intrader> charlie-tca, as if the 'u' in uname meant anything. Unix...
[23:02] <yofel> app names don't necessarily need to make sense, if you find out what app 'baobab' is in less than a minute I'll give you a cookie :P
[23:02] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I do know linux is much more open about letting you find anything about anything, than Windows is in telling you anything
[23:03] <intrader> disk usage analyzer (according to google)
[23:03] <yofel> you actually made it, have a cookie :D
[23:03] <intrader> yofel, Google did it!
[23:04] <charlie-tca> and then there is "apropos"
[23:04] <intrader> charlie-tca, Windows tries to do security by obscurity.
[23:05] <charlie-tca> It tries to do everything by obscurity, not just security
[23:05] <charlie-tca> if you blur the subject enough, people will accept it
[23:05] <charlie-tca> It is kind of like cellphones. How many people on the street know what "3G" is/
[23:06] <intrader> Maybe some spyware.
[23:06] <charlie-tca> They know the letters mean cellphone reception, but it is really important to have "3G", right?
[23:06] <intrader> charlie-tca, by now everybody, what will be next after 4G?
[23:07] <charlie-tca> What difference does it make what they call it, as long as you are convinced it is important
[23:07] <yofel> sure, at least 3G looks better on my cell phone than the antenna symbol :P (then again, I can live very well without UMTS)
[23:08] <intrader> yofel, now you are trying to 'outshine' UMTS...
[23:09] <yofel> heh
[23:09] <charlie-tca> They could call it "goofy" and it would be just as important and necessary in peoples minds
[23:09] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca you guys are fun!
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Just saying, the name means little, the results count
[23:15] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca just to show you one annoying problem - click on #ubuntu, let it hover too long, get hand with icon facsimile of the xchat left column; wont' quit.
[23:17] <intrader> yofel, charlie-tca not until I hit esc a few times, then the darn icon flies away. GARBAGE!
[23:18] <charlie-tca> easy workaround: Don't do that
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Are you using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[23:19] <charlie-tca> Is that the only channel it does that with?
[23:21] <charlie-tca> I can't seem to make it do that
[23:22] <intrader> charlie-tca, you are kidding me, --- all apps do the same thing. Started as noted with install of 9.10, then carried back to 9.04, and now 10.04
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Must be xchat-gnome ?
[23:23] <intrader> charlie-tca, I have the same problem with mbbits, or google lists,
[23:23] <charlie-tca> weird
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Tried a different mouse?
[23:25] <intrader> charlie-tca, like if I hoover over 'Applications' I can make it happen, with or trackpoint of touchpad, same thing, with usb, same thing
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Mine stays an arrow (pointer) until clicked
[23:26] <intrader> charlie-tca, what I suspect, some change in 9.10 was carried forward to 10.04, then back updated to 9.04
[23:26] <charlie-tca> possible
[23:53] <maple_leaf> if any canonical staff are monitoring this channel, please contact the webmaster of ubuntu.com and have them fix the 404 http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[23:54] <yofel> maple_leaf: how did you get there?
[23:55] <yofel> can't find that link on http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[23:55] <maple_leaf> yofel: System > Help and Support. Click "commercial technical support"
[23:56] <yofel> that's a bug in the help documentation then, not the website
[23:56] <maple_leaf> I think it's packaged as gnome-user-guide
[23:56] <maple_leaf> but it could be easily fixed with a 301 on the site