[00:01] <Daijoubu> nevermind installing gnome ._.
[00:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Thanks for looking at kdeedu. I suspect I failed to notice the no hard drive space left error.  I did update the symbols files.  
[00:44] <claydoh> Mamarok: on giovanni_re I sigh as well
[00:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: You going to ask for an FFe to put the kcm in Maverick?
[01:16] <maco> ScottK: ok. i'll have to find a non-cell-phone connection to use for it
[01:16] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:16] <maco> (the 3g in my netbook is my only non-restaurant-wifi net connection)
[01:26] <jleben> Hi, If I'm not mistaken, Kate (text editor) developing files are missing in maverick. "Packages.ubuntu.com" reports no package containing pluginconfigpageinterface.h
[01:29] <jleben> The missing files were previously installed by kdesdk-dev package, which has vanished in maverick
[01:30] <maco> ScottK: uhhh where?
[01:30] <ScottK> In my ppa
[01:30] <maco> ScottK: i see qt4-x11 and kdebase-workspace
[01:30] <ScottK> maco: kdebase-workspace
[01:30] <ScottK> (that has kwin in it)
[01:30] <maco> oh ok
[01:36] <ScottK> jleben: The relevant change is one we inherited from Debian.  The debian/changelog entry is "Remove kdesdk-dev. It is not used and we aren't actually handling the libraries as we should." from 4:4.4.2-1.
[01:36] <ScottK> maco: Feedback should go in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241402
[01:36] <maco> ok
[01:37] <jleben> ScottK: so how does that look. any optimism it's gonna come back?
[01:39] <ScottK> Well it would be good to discuss it with svorela in #debian-qt-kde on OFTC (since it was his change to drop it).
[01:40] <ScottK> We could put it back, but I'd want to understand better what he thought was wrong with it.
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> interesting problem...
[01:41] <jleben> I've actually just spoken about that problem on #kde-devel
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> in KNR 10.04.1, updaated to 10.10 then it hits with this
[01:42] <jleben> all I got was to confirm that the missing headers are actually still valid within kde
[01:42] <jleben> but no reply about a solution to it
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> Warning cannot open ConsoleKit session unable to open session the permission of the setuid helper is not correct
[01:43] <ScottK> jleben: It's a packaging question, not an upstream question, so since Debian dropped it, I'd take it up with them first.
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> hey ScottK long time no see
[01:43] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: I'd talk to JontheEchidna about that.  I think he understands that part of the system best.
[01:44] <ScottK> Hello DarkwingDuck.  How goes it?
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> yeah i figured
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: it goes. still looking for work
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: ping
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> I don't know anything about ConsoleKit (So many kits around though...)
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: pong
[01:44] <ScottK> Oh.  I thought you ended up staying in.  I guess I lost track.
[01:45] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1171997 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ (9 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[01:45] <CIA-116> I really, really don't want to break API this soon after the first stable
[01:45] <CIA-116> release... I think that for now we should be OK with "downloadProgress"
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> garf.... 
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> I know a lot about PolicyKit though
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: no they ended up kicking me
[01:45] <ScottK> I think it's related.
[01:46] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Ouch.
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> its on login
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: yeah... butt im somewhat stable so im gonna push the bug reports for docs
[01:47] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[01:47] <ScottK> nixternal has accomplished his usual amount on docs, so they need work.
[01:47] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> lol i have commit rights so ill get with nixternal and jjesse and see where we are at
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> ive been messing with my droid here lately lol
[05:43] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse-netbook: Greetings
[06:11] <nixternal> quit calling my name when I am afk
[06:18] <nixternal> ScottK: I doubt I will do docs anymore....tired of the bullshit and flack....i think maverick is a break for me, as I don't see any importance of having me around....obvious that without me everything gets done
[06:18] <nixternal> and on that note, I am going to bed...early bike ride in the morning
[06:27] <DarkwingDuck> night
[07:25] <nigelb> \lastlog nixternal 
[07:25] <nigelb> what fail ;)
[08:11] <Tm_T> nigelb: K'day!
[08:44] <nigelb> Tm_T: G'day :)
[08:53] <TheKro> I'm trying to generate a crash report.  automatic installation of debug symbols failed, and the tutorial page at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Preparing_your_KDE_packages tells me to look at the stacktrace.  but my stacktrace has just one line: "Application: Run Command Interface (kdeinit4), signal: Segmentation fault".  anyone got a suggestion, or should I give up?
[09:07] <trijntje> Hi all, is the plasma widged "Device notifier" (k)ubuntu specific or does it come from KDE?
[09:09] <ulysses> trijntje: it comes from KDE upstream, it is plasma_applet_devicenotifier in kdebase
[09:16] <trijntje> ulysses, thanks, do you happen to know what it is called in ubuntu? Searching for plasma-widget in LP gives many hits, but device notifier is not one of them
[09:35] <CIA-116> [muon] gmartres * 1172024 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (muon/MainWindow.cpp updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp) Reverse r1171942: API break is delayed (cf: libqapt r1171997)
[09:39] <ulysses> trijntje: plasma-applet-devicenotifier package
[09:40] <trijntje> ulysses: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+search?text=plasma-applet-devicenotifier
[09:41] <ulysses> It seems that plasma-applet-devicenotifier is in kdebase-workspace
[09:47] <trijntje> ulysses, thanks a lot, I would never have found that, but my problem still isnt solved
[09:48] <trijntje> In the dutch translation there is a typo the text that say's there is an empty disk in the drive, and I want to correct that
[09:48] <ulysses> Ah, I can link that, a moment
[09:48] <ulysses> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kdebase-workspace/+pots/plasma-applet-devicenotifier/nl/+translate
[09:50] <trijntje> ulysses, I had found that, but strangely that string is not present there
[09:53] <ulysses> KDE's translation is chatoic for me sometimes
[09:54] <trijntje> for me too, i'll try asking in kde-i18n to see if anyone knows where that string lives
[09:55] <ulysses> The Dutch KDE translators can help surely, Lokalize can find strings in the translation memory if someone middle-click on a string
[10:00] <trijntje> ulysses, I will send them an email to ask where that string lives. Thanks again for all your help
[10:00] <ulysses> you're welcome
[11:36] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[11:39] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[12:39] <Nightrose> can anyone help me figure out why my pc suddenly freezes again when starting x? http://pastebin.com/HpcenejZ
[12:41]  * Nightrose is getting a bit fed up with this :/
[12:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: I /msged our X maintainer but he's in australia so probably asleep
[12:44] <Nightrose> thx Riddell
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah.. seems your problem might have been fixed in git, the last commit has something about cookies
[13:55]  * dantti would like to know why ppl keep adding information on fixed bugs...
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> neat: bug 631413
[14:28] <jussi> !info cluster-glue
[14:36] <sheytan> Hey guys
[14:36] <sheytan> the ubuntu installer offers  wifi conection when you want to install flash and codecs while installing the system. Kubuntu installer doesn't. Will you add this little nice feature?
[14:47] <Riddell> sheytan: it's a low priority for this release compared to other installer issues
[14:47] <Riddell> you can connect through the network plasmoid 
[14:48] <sheytan> Riddell yes, i know, but i first must 'try kubuntu' ;(
[14:48] <sheytan> :) *
[15:48] <Mamarok> claydoh: if giovanni_re contiunes, I am all for putting him on moderation again. If you do not do how he wants it, you are wrong anyway.
[15:49] <Mamarok> now he expects us to feed him with mailing lists, while he could really find this on his own
[15:49] <Mamarok> that guy is so weird...
[16:06] <sheytan> dantti: http://i.imgur.com/cKyd9.jpg
[16:06] <sheytan> dantti: you can even put additional 'install' button below the description
[16:15] <dantti> sheytan: that'a is part of the problem it a bit hard to make it get bigger the right way
[16:16] <sheytan> dantti: i hate when something is not possible with qt/kde apps ;/
[16:16] <dantti> sheytan: it is possible, but not so easy
[16:17]  * sheytan is connected to too many channels :D
[16:17] <sheytan> dantti: well, you can always try :)
[16:21] <dantti> sheytan: also it has the problem that if you click on an item that is at the botton of the list if will got to the top and this movement will be strange
[16:22] <sheytan> dantti: then make it the same as category view. You c hoose an app, the it takes you to the description and shot page. You come back to the list with the 'back' button
[16:23] <dantti> after it's working I think you'll like it :P
[16:24] <lex79> dantti: if I switch from single-click to double-click in mouse settings and then go to kpk, click on Accessories or Mulitmedia or whatever grop, it doesn't work
[16:24] <lex79> it offers to rename the grop label instead of go into the group
[16:24] <dantti> lex79: renaming the group in kpk ?
[16:24] <lex79> yes :)
[16:25] <lex79> like if you push F2 in dolphin
[16:25] <dantti> that's very weird... it shouldn't allow editing...
[16:26] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1172155 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[16:26] <CIA-116> Several improvements for per-package info reporting: - Replace the
[16:26] <CIA-116> downloadMessage signal, and deprecate it - Report the URI and size of each
[16:26] <dantti> lol you are right :P
[16:26] <lex79> funny eh?
[16:26] <lex79> :)
[16:26] <dantti> yep, let me try to fix
[16:27] <lex79> ok
[16:27] <shadeslayer> http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/06/samsung-n350-throws-lte-and-hspa-into-an-intriguing-new-netbook/ << Look at that beauty
[16:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: send me one of those ^
[16:27] <shadeslayer> for testing kwin ...
[16:28] <dantti> lex79: great I tought dolphin had froozen again but now I have to double click on every thing :P
[16:28] <lex79> ahah :D
[16:28] <lex79> poor dolphin
[16:30] <dantti> lex79: thanks, fixed :)
[16:31] <shadeslayer> eh.. the bezel is too much
[16:31] <lex79> dantti: no problem, can you give me the patch? I can upload it
[16:35] <dantti> lex79: can you try http://pastebin.com/RtPrYgr5  double clicking/single click on the pending changes tab?
[16:35] <dantti> lex79: I changed the code too much here so I can't test on 0.6.1 :P
[16:36] <dantti> it might have broken deselecting items on that tab..
[16:36] <lex79> Ok I will try
[16:36] <dantti> thanks
[16:37] <Riddell> txwikinger2: you ordered CDs through the shipit website?
[16:40] <DarkwingDuck> LOL.
[16:40] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone else notice that the Firefox Installer it misspelled? it's Insta;ler instead of Installer in 10.10
[16:41] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: seems fine to me
[16:42] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmm, Oh yeah, I have to log that bug I found.
[16:52] <nigelb> !bot
[16:57] <ScottK> nixternal: There's plenty of stuff that isn't getting done.
[16:59] <mgraesslin> ScottK: ping
[16:59] <shadeslayer> was the kate 3rd party plugin thingy solved?
[16:59] <ScottK> Hello mgraesslin.
[16:59] <mgraesslin> I wanted to ask about your testing success :-)
[17:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not really.  Someone needs to talk to the kate devs and see if they intend to maintain ABI.
[17:00] <ScottK> mgraesslin: OK.  I have about 10 minutes before I need to go run some errands.  Then I'll be back in about 90 minutes.
[17:00] <mgraesslin> ok so in 90 minutes
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm.. ok will talk to kate devs, do they have #kate ?
[17:01] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: What isn't getting done via the documentation?
[17:01] <mgraesslin> I will do a complete diff of kwin between 4.4.0 and 4.5.0 in the hope to find other code that might be related to the regression
[17:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No idea.
[17:01] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: No idea.  I was thinking more generally.
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ABI for 3rd party plugins right?
[17:01] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Cool.  I'm glad to try and test.  I think your patch from yesterday is definitely progress.
[17:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[17:02] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: ahhh. Unfortunetly my working knowladge is limited to XML and PHP
[17:02] <ScottK> I'm sure there's plenty to do on docs, I just don't know what it is.
[17:03] <lex79> dantti: it works :)
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kate devs say theve been doing it for the past x years, even since kde3 ... i guess its time to package!
[17:05] <mgraesslin> ScottK: btw after reading the comments on the phoronix forum it looks like that mesa developers consider announcing broken extensions as supported as a feature :-(
[17:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Talk to svuorela aon #debian-qt-kde (OFTC).  He's the one that dropped it.
[17:06] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Ouch.
[17:06] <shadeslayer> oh.. ok 
[17:06] <mgraesslin> for 4.6 I'm going to add a new option "use advanced graphics capabilities" with default on for proprietary drivers and default off for free drivers
[17:07] <mgraesslin> it's a pity
[17:07] <dantti> lex79: great thanks, I'll commit it then :)
[17:07] <lex79> shadeslayer: if he says wants reintroduce the package, it's ready here (libkateinterfaces-dev)
[17:07] <lex79> dantti: no problem, I'm uploading it to the archive :)
[17:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: great! :D
[17:09] <ScottK> mgraesslin: This issue now has high level attention in Canonical, so maybe they can help communication and get us to a better result (don't stop adding the option though).
[17:09] <mgraesslin> that's nice to hear
[17:10] <mgraesslin> it looks again like you first have to break the things badly (which was not my intension) to get it fixed
[17:11] <ScottK> It would be nice if it didn't need it.  It somewhat reminds me of the situation when Ubuntu switched to pulseaudio.
[17:12] <ScottK> We (Kubuntu) have just switched this cycle (two years later) and haven't had much trouble thanks to them exposing driver issues first.
[17:18] <ScottK> Back later.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pokes.. around?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are there any kate plugins for which we need to package the ABI ?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> are they needed? :P
[17:45] <glaucous> Is there a GLEW 1.5.5 available to backport? I'd gladly compile/package and submit build log
[17:47] <apparle> how exactly do I compile a package after installing pbuilder?
[17:49] <Riddell> glaucous: what for?  libraries are generally not a good idea for backports
[17:49] <koso_> sudo pbuilder --build package.dsc
[17:49] <Riddell> sudo pbuilder create; sudo pbuilder build *dsc
[17:49] <glaucous> Riddell: Oh, was not aware
[17:50] <glaucous> Riddell: Why exactly?
[17:51] <apparle> that will compile the tar.gz. How to compile a folder?
[17:51] <Riddell> glaucous: heard to test all the applications that use it for regressions
[17:51] <apparle> or how to apply patch to a tar.gz
[17:52] <glaucous> Riddell: Ah I see, so when do you add a library?
[17:52] <Riddell> glaucous: add to what?
[17:52] <glaucous> Riddell: never mind, I did not think that question through :)
[17:53] <Riddell> apparle: what sort of patch to what sort of .tar.gz ?
[17:53] <koso_> you can create source package using dpkg-buildpackage -S and use pbuilder
[17:54] <apparle> Riddell: I want to compile rekonq. I have modified some files after downloading it using apt-get source
[17:58] <Riddell> apparle: run  debuild
[17:59] <apparle> Riddell: basically I want to see if due to the changes to the source, are there any dependency changes? Any simple to check just that?
[17:59] <apparle> Riddell: I added some libraries to cmakelists
[17:59] <Riddell> apparle: since you changed the source I presume you'd know :)
[17:59] <Riddell> but you can build a source package and build it in pbuilder to be sure
[18:00] <Riddell> debuild -S   to build a source package
[18:00] <Riddell> sudo pbuilder create (if you haven't already) 
[18:00] <Riddell> sudo pbuilder build  foo.dsc
[18:00] <apparle> Riddell: ok thanks
[18:00] <Riddell> the changes will be magically put into a file named like debian/patches/debian-changes-0.5.80-0ubuntu1  if you're interested in the details
[18:06]  * shadeslayer sees possible minion in apparle
[18:06] <apparle> shadeslayer: and what is a minion?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> hehehehe :P
[18:07] <apparle> ?
[18:07] <Riddell> a useful person
[18:08] <Riddell> we need a useful person to do a SRU for rekonq 
[18:08] <shadeslayer> and that would be you 
[18:08] <apparle> :) I'll be useful after finishing my last exam ... tomorrow :D
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there are problems with choqok... we cant SRU it till we can figure out some of the stuff wrt its consumer key
[18:09] <shadeslayer> and mtux isnt around either 
[18:09] <apparle> see ya guys... I suppose I want to learn debain packaging after exams..
[18:09] <shadeslayer> apparle: cya
[18:11] <koso_> hello, is it posibble to changes this strange scrollbar colors? http://yfrog.com/59desktop2op
[18:11]  * shadeslayer goes on bug hunting
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you set bug 613636 to some milestone?
[18:13] <shadeslayer> i should really apply to bugsquad
[18:17] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I'm back.
[18:18] <mgraesslin> ScottK: ok, so you tried the patch + revert + login as a new user, right?
[18:18] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I didn't use a new user, but a deleted .kde for the existing user.
[18:19] <ScottK> (and restarted the session)
[18:19] <mgraesslin> hmm it might be that kwin saved the settings on shutdown
[18:21] <ScottK> OK.  I can login as a different user and make sure it's clean.
[18:21] <mgraesslin> that would be nice
[18:21] <mgraesslin> from what I think reverting the commit should ensure that direct rendering does not get enabled
[18:21] <mgraesslin> and my patch should ensure that blur & co are not loaded when direct rendering is not enabled
[18:22] <ScottK> Due to a separate issue (unrelated to kwin) I currently get an X crash on logout, so I know X is getting restarted.
[18:22] <mgraesslin> hehe
[18:23] <mgraesslin> I am currently trying to get an Ati card working on my new system (debian testing)
[18:23] <mgraesslin> I'm currently on the state: X does not start at all
[18:26] <ScottK> Nope.  Still has blur enabled on first start (and "Desktop effects are temporatily suspended")
[18:27] <mgraesslin> *sigh*
[18:27] <ScottK> Enable direct rendering is checked as well.
[18:27] <mgraesslin> I'll do the complete diff
[18:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'll be around on and off all day.
[18:29] <mgraesslin> but first I should get my new system working - probably it's best to try a maverick live cd
[18:29] <mgraesslin> if that one works I just ditch debian in favour of Kubuntu again
[18:40] <shadeslayer> lex79: can you bless my BugControl application ? :D
[18:41] <Riddell> mgraesslin: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/ (incase you haven't already found it)
[18:41] <mgraesslin> already downloading
[18:42] <mgraesslin> it's quite easy to find: gg kubuntu daily
[18:42] <Riddell> well that's beta from last week I pointed you at, dailies may be broken (although there's no reason why they should be today but you never know)
[18:44] <ScottK> If it works, the daily will have 4.5.1 instead of 4.5.0, so that would definitely reduce the post-install updates needed.
[18:44] <Riddell> true
[18:45] <ScottK> Speaking of which, we are one kdeplasma-addons build on armel away from being done on all archs.
[18:51] <ScottK> I assume we'll want http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4320
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell can either of you +1 my bug control application? ( i just applied )
[18:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not right now.  Ping me tomorrow if you still need it.
[18:54] <shadeslayer> alright :D
[18:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where isit?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ubuntu-bugcontrol@lists.launchpad.net 
[19:00] <mgraesslin> ok activating desktop effects results in X restart in maverick on my Ati card
[19:00] <lex79> shadeslayer: I can do, I need to find your mail before :)
[19:01] <ScottK> Getting any X at all is progress, right?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lex79: its @ ubuntu-bugcontrol@lists.launchpad.net 
[19:01] <mgraesslin> it's progress, but does still not yet meet the requirements for kwin development :-)
[19:03] <mgraesslin> I bought that card two years ago for testing kwin on Ati and it seems it's still not supported by free drivers *sigh*
[19:03] <mgraesslin> and fglrx really sucks
[19:04]  * shadeslayer hugs his nvidia 8600 M GT
[19:04] <lex79> shadeslayer: strange, when you sent the email?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> about 5 mins ago
[19:04] <shadeslayer> maybe its awaiting moderator approval?
[19:04] <lex79> I think so
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ( more like 11 mins ago )
[19:06] <lex79> it's arrived now
[19:06] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:11] <Riddell> yay, maverick to natty upgrade works, you guys should upgrade, this is so much better than maverick, it's a whole letter beter
[19:12] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:12] <shadeslayer> natty? :P
[19:12] <shadeslayer> is that even out?
[19:12] <Riddell> dantti: your aptcc distro upgrade works well
[19:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, I had to make it first
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ofcourse.. but are the repos up?
[19:13] <Riddell> no
[19:13] <shadeslayer> heheh 
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: imo we should follow what suse does
[19:14] <shadeslayer> they have a factory release which is a rolling release and then they make 11.x 12.x out of that rolling release
[19:15] <mgraesslin> ScottK: I just found some lines of code which might be an idea to revert:
[19:16] <mgraesslin> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/BchJEJZf
[19:16] <mgraesslin> that's in main.cpp
[19:20] <mgraesslin> maybe even worth a try together with the patch and the other revert...
[19:21] <ScottK> I don't seem to have that exact line.
[19:22] <ScottK> What I have is http://pastebin.com/W3dQ61yY
[19:22] <mgraesslin> yes the code was removed
[19:23] <mgraesslin> and that's why I stumbled on it - if it was required before why not now?
[19:23] <ScottK> Oh, I see.  Add it back.
[19:23] <ScottK> Where should I put it?
[19:24] <mgraesslin> it's svn rev http://pastebin.com/BchJEJZf
[19:24] <mgraesslin> sigh 1096554
[19:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:25] <mgraesslin> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/main.cpp?r1=1088054&r2=1096554
[19:25] <mgraesslin> given the commit message it seems to be related
[19:28] <dantti> Riddell: it does? that's good :P
[19:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'm trying that.  It will take a while to build it.
[19:29] <dantti> Riddell: the new PackageKit release (of today, probably fixes some kpk crashes), http://www.packagekit.org/releases/
[19:30] <ScottK> dantti: I have to say I'm finding the kpk experience MUCH improved in Maverick.
[19:31] <dantti> ScottK: thanks :) for the AppGet version I'm trying to add some fancy things -> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoplp3757
[19:31] <dantti> ScottK: and it is smarter now -> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopxw3757 :P
[19:34] <smarter> JontheEchidna: hey
[19:38] <lex79> dantti: the second one is very nice and usefull
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> smarter: hi
[19:39] <smarter> sorry about that API break :p
[19:39]  * sheytan is looking for the global menu bar dude
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. nothign to worry about. just please don't break api ;P
[19:39] <smarter> I guess we should put somewhere in the README file that the API shouldn't be b0rked for now
[19:40] <smarter> anyway, I've got a mostly working DownloadModel :)
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah... up until now I've been the only serious hacker on libqapt
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> a README would be beneficial
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> smarter: btw, did you see my commit this morning expanding packageDownloadProgress?
[19:40] <smarter> ah nop, I don't think so
[19:42] <smarter> except for the "apt-get update" part, apparently apt-pkg only returns Release or Release.gpg as ShortDesc so that's the only items in the downloadwidget when updating, I'll try to find a way to detect in qaptworker if we're doing an update and fix that
[19:46] <ScottK> sheytan: That's agateau.
[19:47] <smarter> JontheEchidna: oh nice, that's exactly what I needed :)
[19:48] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:48] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1172222 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/HACKING Add a HACKING file with notes to hackers
[19:51] <smarter> why the -1 percentage though? Isn't 0 appropriate?
[19:51] <smarter> JontheEchidna: ^
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> technically those operations don't really have a percentage
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> and 0 could be a valid percentage, so it's easier to check for -1
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> though I suppose you could just check for FetchType
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> see my comment on line 155 where 0 instead of -1 caused a lot of pain :P
[19:53] <smarter> JontheEchidna: instead of the Iter->TotalSize > 0 wouldn't it be more comprehensible to check that 100 >= percentage >= 0 ?
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> smarter: I just copied that bit from synaptic, truthfully :P
[19:54] <smarter> ah, I'll change that :p
[19:54] <smarter> but shouldn't the percentage be 0 when we can't determine it instead of 100?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> night everyone
[20:18] <smarter> JontheEchidna: in your commit you say you handle parallel downloading, but how can that be the case if you didn't remove the break from the loop?
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> smarter: oh, forgot to remove that
[20:19] <smarter> that's what I thought too (:
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> but otherwise that should do parallel
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> I tested synaptic and somehow got a parallel download this morning
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> and our approach is quite similar, logically
[20:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: wasnt planing on doing it, but probably sensible
[20:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: package the abi?
[20:22] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1172235 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Remove a done todo item as well as one that I've rethought.
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> btw, here's an example of what packageDownloadProgress outputs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/489407/ (disregard the scientific notation for the bigger sizes, qDebug did that)
[20:25] <smarter> okay, I'll commit my (rough) DownloadModel in a few minute and work on polishing it/making it useful for apt-get update tomorrow :)
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> smarter: btw, are you running maverick yet? I'd like to fix some deprecation warnings that require libapt-pkg from maverick, but if you're developing on lucid I don't want to short-straw you
[20:26] <smarter> I am
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> ok, cool
[20:31] <smarter> damn, even with MorePulses enable, apt-pkg doesn't seem to send a Pulse when the package is totally downloaded
[20:33] <CIA-116> [libqapt] gmartres * 1172240 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/workeracquire.cpp WorkerAcquire: enable morePulses so that "Pulse() will be called every time that a download item starts downloading, finishes downloading, or terminates with an error."
[20:33] <EagleScreen> did you know this paclage manager? http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/qaptmuon-1-0-released/
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I wrote it :)
[20:34] <EagleScreen> well done
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> thank you
[20:36] <CIA-116> [muon] gmartres * 1172244 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (10 files in 4 dirs) Added a DownloadModel to keep track of the download percentage of each individual package
[20:37] <smarter> JontheEchidna: ^ here you go, I'm not completely satisfied with the code, it doesn't handle well updates, and it never reaches 100% because of apt-pkg, but I'm not in the mood to hack on that right now :p
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[20:41] <smarter> also, I need to look into the delegate paint() function in more details, I pretty much copied what I found elsewhere and hoped it worked :p
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[20:43] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1172246 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Fix a deprecation warning from libapt-pkg. LibQApt now requires libapt-pkg 0.8.0 or higher
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> smarter: we could store items in the packageList by their URI's
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> but display the names to the enduser
[20:46] <apachelogger> mhhh
[20:47] <apachelogger> the beauty of painting :D
[20:47] <smarter> apachelogger: it always seemed like black magic to me :p
[20:47] <apachelogger> it is :P
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> I'll hack on it a bit ;)
[20:47] <apachelogger> you just make yourself believe that it is not
[20:47] <smarter> JontheEchidna: yep, since ShortDesc isn't unique when you do an update
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> bbiab, then I'll get to hacking
[20:48] <smarter> see ya
[20:48] <smarter> but I'm more annoyed by apt-pkg refusing to send me pulses when a download is complete :p
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:50] <apachelogger> smarter: use the source :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> smarter: and make sure you use other formatting the lines around the lines you add, otherwise you are not complying to their code style
[20:50]  * apachelogger likes a good make-it-look-silly-code-style
[20:51] <smarter> you've had previous encouters with apt-pkg? :p
[20:52] <apachelogger> smarter: I browsed through the source when I was looking into c++ifying software-properties ;)
[20:52] <smarter> haha
[20:52] <apachelogger> I decided that jt would be better suited :P
[20:53] <smarter> [smarter@deep-thought ~/KDE/apt-pkg/apt-0.8.0ubuntu3/apt-pkg]% ack why|wc -l
[20:53] <smarter> 18
[20:53] <smarter> so much questions, so few answers :p
[20:53] <apachelogger> :D
[20:53] <apachelogger> it is like phonon-vlc
[20:54] <apachelogger> I think in every file there was a "why is this necessary?"
[20:54] <smarter> is it still maintained?
[20:54] <apachelogger> smarter: again
[20:54] <apachelogger> and being pushed towards becoming supreme backend
[20:55] <smarter> oh? xine doesn't seem to be too bad
[20:55] <apachelogger> smarter: internally
[20:56] <apachelogger> currently you could not even use it for qtwebkit's html5 video thing
[20:57] <apachelogger> currently is probably the wrong word ... it just aint possible unless qtwebkit gives up control over painting which would be silly for various reasons
[21:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: You planning on pushing your graphicssystem kcm into the archive?
[21:01] <apachelogger> I did not until you asked
[21:02] <smarter> heh, I think I've been stealing code from packagekit apt backend which was stolen from synaptic code which was stolen from aptitude code
[21:02] <ScottK> Seems it might be useful.
[21:02] <smarter> apparently the aptitude author is the only one who can makes sense of libapt-pkg
[21:02] <apachelogger> smarter: I hope they all retained copyright notices :D
[21:02]  * apachelogger likes source that got a billion copyrights
[21:02] <apachelogger> very flossy :D
[21:03] <smarter> not for a small for loop :p
[21:03] <apachelogger> well if the loop is s sophisticated it is worth retaining copyright notice 
[21:03] <apachelogger> IMHO
[21:04] <smarter> not really, it justs does a division
[21:04] <smarter> at least I changed the iterator name from "I" to "iter", they won't be able to catch me this way!
[21:04] <apachelogger> I is a nice name
[21:05] <apachelogger> doesnt apt-pkg also have that sort of silly naming?
[21:05] <apachelogger> local vars start upcase or so
[21:05] <smarter> you're right, didn't notice that
[21:05] <smarter> so maybe it was copied from some example code, or from apt-get
[21:06] <smarter> this is all insane, let's rewrite everything in python, or haskell, or something
[21:06] <apachelogger> it probably was in apt-pkg, then moved to apt-get, then copied to aptitude, then copied to synaptic, then copied to aptcc and now qapt :D
[21:06] <apachelogger> sweet
[21:14] <claydoh> Mamarok: i agree i am already done responding to him anyway, i ahve said what is needed
[21:15] <claydoh> err where is my caps, dang vnc  can't get quassel-windows to get around my office's firewall 
[21:15] <claydoh> Mamarok: anyway, any more and i will put him back on mod. status myself
[21:16] <txwikinger> Riddell:  yes I did
[21:16] <Riddell> groovy
[21:16] <txwikinger> well. via e-mail
[21:25] <sheytan> Hey guys
[21:25] <sheytan> something is chagning my general font
[21:25] <sheytan> iso from today
[21:26] <apachelogger> wgrant: any estimate on when soyuz will accept lzma tarballs, I recon dpkg-source now does
[21:26] <sheytan> it changes to Bitstream Charter.
[21:26] <sheytan> is this a know bug?
[21:33] <Riddell> not to me
[21:40] <neversfelde> mhh, I heard about such a problem yesterday with lucid + 4.5.1
[21:40] <apachelogger> cookies working again in rekonq \o/
[21:41] <neversfelde> 4.5.0 so I cannot test anything :)
[21:41]  * apachelogger reports next bug
[21:41] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I'm not up to date, do we still plan to ship Maverick with rekonq? My last info was, that we will think about it.
[21:43] <apachelogger> I dunno
[21:43] <apachelogger> it beings to work for me
[21:43] <apachelogger> I still do not find the UI very attracting
[21:44] <apachelogger> also IMHO it is slower for a lot of sites
[21:47] <Riddell> it's still working good for me
[21:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: btw apachelogger gave me the tip to boot into an older kernel - that fixed it
[21:49] <Nightrose> trying to report a kernel bug atm but launchpad doesn't let me
[21:49] <Riddell> Nightrose: hmm, I've heard a couple rumours of fauly lucid kernel upgrades recently
[21:49] <Riddell> what's up with launchpad?
[21:49] <Nightrose> gives me "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." when submitting the bug report
[21:49] <Nightrose> already asked in #launchpad
[21:49] <Nightrose> no-one there so far
[21:50] <Riddell> sheesh
[21:51] <apachelogger> you could always write a good old "dear maintainer" mail ^^
[21:51]  * apachelogger did that the other day too
[21:52] <Nightrose> heh
[21:52] <Nightrose> "dear maintainer, you screwed up, love L."
[21:52] <Nightrose> like that?
[21:52] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:52] <apachelogger> upcased
[21:52] <Nightrose> k
[21:52] <Nightrose> :P
[21:52] <apachelogger> but yes, that is the basic concept ^^
[21:53] <Nightrose> need food before thinking of something like that
[21:53]  * Nightrose vanishes
[21:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I recommend "THIS MAKES YOUR SOFTWARE UTTER USELESS TO ME! IT IS CRAP! I WANT MY MAMA!"
[21:54] <apachelogger> before that you mention what is wrong
[21:54] <apachelogger> after that you send love and kisses
[21:55] <apachelogger> what is with bug 616199 ?
[21:55] <apachelogger> seems a bit ewww
[21:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but i don't want my mama
[21:56] <Nightrose> :P
[21:56] <Nightrose> what now?
[21:56] <apachelogger> and is duplicated with bug 625133
[21:56] <Nightrose> s/mama/teddy?
[21:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: not sure if teddy works as well
[21:56] <Nightrose> too bad
[21:57]  * apachelogger speaks it out aloud
[21:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: could work with an english accent 
[21:57] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:57] <apachelogger> I would use the mama wanting in a south US kinda accent btw
[21:58] <apachelogger> maybe something mississippi
[21:58] <apachelogger> or louisiana
[21:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, when get sponsorings announced?
[21:58] <apachelogger> for UDS
[21:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: dunno, sometime after the closing date Iguess
[21:59] <Riddell> I wonder when the closing date is
[22:00] <apachelogger> ah
[22:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: 8th is deadline
[22:07] <Riddell> dantti: I set ScanDesktopFiles=true locally but I don't get icons for installed apps in kpackagekit
[22:08] <apachelogger> oh my
[22:08] <apachelogger> revu is a mess
[22:08] <dantti> Riddell: go to the updates dialog, and click check for new updates that will probably start the scanning
[22:09] <dantti> Riddell: tought hopefully we will have a better option on app-install v2
[22:09] <dantti> *though
[22:14] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: bug 631953 for -> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-qt-graphicssystem
[22:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ got a minute for revu?
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> in a bit
[22:15] <apachelogger> oki
[22:21] <Riddell> dantti: ooh that's more pretty
[22:22] <dantti> Riddell: what is more pretty?
[22:22] <Riddell> dantti: having icons for installed applications
[22:23] <dantti> sure it is :P
[22:23] <Riddell> dantti: packagekit 0.6.8 uploaded with ScanDesktopFiles set to true
[22:24] <nixternal> my server is getting a lil warm...keeps ramping the fans up to a really annoying level
[22:25] <dantti> Riddell: thanks, if the thing with app-install goes well we set it to false again :P
[22:53] <wgrant> apachelogger: We deliberately don't support lzma source packages, because Debian doesn't.
[22:53] <wgrant> apachelogger: We will probably support xz once they do, though.
[22:54] <wgrant> (that probably won't be until after squeeze, though)
[23:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Approved.