[00:00] <Alan> jani_: my rebuild time is about 12 hours at the moment
[00:00] <jani_> resilver makes whole array work hard
[00:00] <Alan> if i'm going to have 2 fail within 12 hours, i'm probably going to have 3 fail within 12 hours
[00:00] <jani_> it doesn't work like that :)
[00:00] <Alan> :P
[00:00] <Alan> Also, i've run out of SATA ports....
[00:00] <Alan> heh
[00:00] <jani_> but yeah, it's a really good idea to make sure your disks don't come from same batch1
[00:00] <Alan> well, if RAIDZ stopped being crap....
[00:01] <Alan> :P
[00:01] <jani_> oh, you can get SAS controller and i guess also SATA with port dividers
[00:01] <jani_> so how many disks you got? over 40?
[00:01] <Alan> I would absolutely use a better system if i could just say "I have £500 to spend right now on a storage solution, and it's going to stay exactly like this until i build another"
[00:01] <Alan> but that's not my use case
[00:01] <Alan> jani_: no
[00:02] <Alan> jani_: 6
[00:02] <jani_> those sata port dividers are also cheap, haven't tried
[00:02] <Alan> they also bottleneck
[00:02] <jani_> depends on controller, though
[00:02] <jani_> sure, but disk space we're after, no? doesn't matter if it's 200MB/s or 1000 MB/s
[00:02] <Alan> you can get about 2 disks per SATA3G channel before you IO-bottleneck....
[00:03] <Alan> jani_: i'd rather keep my disks faster than my network
[00:03] <jani_> hey, you can use one disk before you have 1Gbit ethernet bottleneck :p
[00:03] <Alan> and since i have gigabit throughout the house
[00:03] <jani_> i mean, any decent disk can saturate 1Gbit *alone*
[00:03] <Alan> yes
[00:04] <Alan> but trying to do RAID5 striped reads across 5 disks sharing a 200MB/s channel is going to suck...
[00:04] <jani_> well, a little
[00:04] <Alan> especially because the raid5 implementation almost certainly is built to take advantage of simultaneous reads...
[00:05] <jani_> but if you have 2 channels, there's no way you'll notice
[00:05] <Alan> I have 2 options on the table for expanding
[00:05] <jani_> other than benchmarking
[00:05] <jani_> locally
[00:05] <Alan> jani_: it takes long enough to decompress a 10GB multi-part RAR
[00:05] <Alan> and never mind the 10000 deletes i did today...
[00:05] <jani_> for that you need CPU power
[00:06] <Alan> jani_: no, teh CPU power is fine
[00:06] <jani_> 10000 deletes? ZFS is not for you i guess
[00:06] <Alan> it's IO bottlenecked
[00:06] <Alan> jani_: i was clearing out my ubuntu mirror
[00:06] <Alan> had everything back to intrepid mirrored
[00:06] <jani_> heh
[00:06] <Alan> i'm not actually running anything older than lucid
[00:06] <jani_> not so much data then
[00:07] <jani_> the structure of ZFS doesn't like too many deletes, if i remember right
[00:07] <Alan> yeah, mostly i'm writing
[00:07] <Alan> but like i said, i'm on an as-i-need-it budget
[00:08] <jani_> btw, try lzo (lzop)
[00:08] <Alan> which means i need to be able to expand
[00:08] <jani_> it sure compresses worse, but it expands 1GB/s :)
[00:08] <jani_> (that's gigabyte, not gigabit :p9
[00:08] <Alan> jani_: doesn't help when you're unpacking something somebody else compressed :P
[00:08] <jani_> ah, i have nzxt whisper case, really cheap
[00:08] <jani_> guess how many disks fit in?
[00:08] <Alan> my case is a leftover from an old build
[00:08] <jani_> 9 + 5 + 5
[00:08] <jani_> 3.5"
[00:08] <Alan> it's lound and rattly....
[00:09] <jani_> or 9 + 4 + 4 if i worry about cooling
[00:09] <Alan> you using multi-bay caddies?
[00:09] <jani_> Alan, true :)
[00:09] <jani_> not yet, just using those 9 bays
[00:09] <histo> anyone have netbook edition running?
[00:09] <jani_> but that's my expansion plan when i need
[00:09] <histo> can't get it to boot hangs after login screen
[00:09] <Alan> my case could do 9 + 3 + 3 if/when i need
[00:09] <Alan> i curretnly have 6
[00:10] <jani_> 3 + 3? you can convert 3x 5.25" bays into 4x 3.5" disk bays easily with those internal hard disk cases
[00:10] <Alan> but i'm now out of SATA ports, i'm planning on either getting an 8-port JBOD PCI-E x4 card...
[00:10] <jani_> and 5x with bad cooling
[00:11] <Alan> or a 2-port SATA6G card and some splitters
[00:11] <jani_> whisper has 7x 5.25" bays free
[00:11] <Alan> jani_: yeah, i'm on about converting 2x5.25 to 3x3.5
[00:11] <jani_> and of course those 9x 3.5" hard disk bays with noise dampening
[00:12] <jani_> ah, right
[00:13] <jani_> i didn't know such things existed (2x 5.25" -> 3x 3.5"), but then again there are a lot of things i don't know about :)
[00:14] <Alan> ahha
[00:14] <Alan> damn you, now i'm distracted by wanting to buy more stuff
[00:14] <Alan> I just talked myself out of upgrading my desktop case so i can make my server quieter...
[00:14] <Alan> see, my desktop is in a p182
[00:14] <jani_> my new box (when it works) will be 9TB raid6 / raidz2
[00:15] <Alan> 6x1.5TB?
[00:15] <jani_> and i guess in a few years, when say, 3TB disks are common, i could add 18TB raid6 on top
[00:15] <jani_> no, 8x
[00:15] <Alan> oh
[00:15] <Alan> yeah
[00:15] <Alan> duh :|
[00:16] <jani_> the psu and case can support it (620W)
[00:16] <histo> Alright after login unity fails to start
[00:17] <jani_> and from that point, ZFS send from small array to big one, and upgrade old array also to 18TB = totally 36TB available :p
[00:17] <histo> Anyone here having similiar issues?
[00:19] <jani_> i have DSLR that has nearly 50 Mbit/s bitrate video, that's why the "insane" array
[00:20] <Alan> jani_: explains a lot :p
[00:20] <Alan> i've got about 1 out of 4TB free at the moment
[00:20] <Alan> in a 5x1TB array
[00:21] <jani_> then you need a new array soon
[00:21] <Alan> oh cool, girlfriend made blackberry+apple pies
[00:21] <Alan> \o/
[00:21] <Alan> jani_: why you say that?
[00:21] <histo> !ot
[00:21] <Alan> yeah, we are a little bit aren't we?
[00:22] <histo> Okay I can start normal desktop session just not netbook session from the gdm screen.
[00:22] <histo> Is there a netbook channel?
[00:22] <jani_> Alan, wait until she's your wife... (8 years of experience)
[00:22] <jani_> histo, sorry, i would help you if i had any idea how
[00:24] <Alan> jani_: :P
[00:24] <jani_> hey, 10.10 package manager is nice :)
[00:25] <histo> Ahh jesus unity doesn't load without 3d card
[00:26] <histo> let me enable 3d on vm see if that will work
[00:26] <jani___> so, ubuntu 10.10 here
[00:26] <Alan> jani_: it is?
[00:26] <jani___> Alan, thanks for helping to get this run :p
[00:26] <Alan> you on about the software center thing?
[00:27] <jani___> yeah, tried it, now it lets you enable software sources directly from it
[00:27] <Alan> They removed the ability to search/install by package name, which was possible in lucid
[00:27] <jani___> oh
[00:27] <Alan> it's really annoying
[00:27] <jani___> aptitude + command line?
[00:27] <Alan> they removed aptitude
[00:27] <jani___> what?
[00:27] <Alan> (from desktop, anyway)
[00:27] <Alan> so apt-get it is :P
[00:27] <Alan> now you see how my rants (if you saw them) weren't just about one issue :P
[00:28] <jani___> oh
[00:28] <jani___> and apparently command line
[00:28] <Alan> "o hai, we r makin ubuntu teh dumb"
[00:28] <jani___> right, i take my first impressions back
[00:28] <Alan> haha
[00:28] <Alan> :P
[00:28] <jani___> then again, this system will run either opensolaris or freebsd
[00:29] <jani___> not entirely sure why i spent 3 hours trying to get ubuntu work :)
[00:29] <Alan> isn't opensolaris a bit of a risk with oracle killing everything in sight?
[00:29] <Alan> jani___: hahah
[00:29] <jani___> yeah, that's why freebsd
[00:29] <Alan> I run ubuntu-server on my server
[00:29] <Alan> but i'm sticking with the LTS
[00:29] <Alan> because server reinstalls are painful
[00:29] <Alan> and upgrades are crap
[00:29] <jani___> maybe nexenta... oh well, i wish btrfs was already zfs-level
[00:30] <Alan> always, no matter how much effort is put into the process...
[00:30] <jani___> not going to run fuse + zfs
[00:31] <jani___> i love zfs, because it's catching errors on disk caused by hardware and fixing them automatically
[00:31] <Alan> hmm
[00:31] <jani___> this has already helped at work
[00:32] <Alan> heh
[00:32] <Alan> pretty much all of my data is music an video
[00:32] <jani___> (well, ok, you need to have cronjob for scrub, but big deal)
[00:32] <Alan> pretty resistant to bit errors
[00:32] <jani___> one bit error can cause you to lose everything until next iframe
[00:32] <Alan> oh well
[00:32] <jani___> that's 12 frames+
[00:32] <Alan> so you miss 12 frames
[00:32] <Alan> and you know you need to re-rip
[00:32] <Alan> big deal
[00:33] <jani___> oh, in my case it's gone then
[00:33] <Alan> yeah
[00:33] <Alan> we already established your use case is different :P
[00:33] <jani___> yes :)
[00:34] <Alan> hmmm
[00:34] <Alan> I wish there was a simple way to swap out a disk in a raid5 non-risky
[00:34] <jani___> so silly... i could download ubuntu 20MB/s+ and when i burned it, 4-6MB/s
[00:34] <jani___> what's the world coming to...
[00:34] <Alan> that's what you get for using a CD :P
[00:34] <jani___> DVD, actually
[00:34] <jani___> 8x burner
[00:35] <Alan> yeah
[00:35] <Alan> even so
[00:35] <Alan> I love USB drive installs because CD drives have HORRIBLE seek times...
[00:35] <jani___> USB isn't really that much faster when writing
[00:35] <jani___> at least those cheap sticks
[00:35] <jani___> but seek, yes, you have a point
[00:36] <Alan> no, they're not much faster writing, but they are much faster reading
[00:36] <Alan> I tend to keep 2 sticks hanging around, one with win7 x64 and another with latest ubuntu x64
[00:37] <jani___> i have intel 80GB SSD in all new workstations/laptops at work
[00:37] <jani___> and some old too
[00:37] <Alan> must be nice to have a budget :p
[00:37] <jani___> it rocks, win7 boots in 15 seconds
[00:38] <jani___> ubuntu would probably boot before you touch power button, with disks that fast :p
[00:38] <Alan> It's cheaper to have 8GB RAM and never shutdown :P
[00:38] <Alan> i.e. no excuse for the kernel to bother unmapping shared libs etc.
[00:38] <jani___> oh, 12GB is what work desktops have, some 24GB (3 channel memory does those weird sizes)
[00:38] <Alan> keep as much as possible in RAM waiting to be used again...
[00:38] <jani___> but SSD is still nice
[00:39] <Alan> you do some kind of professional digital video work or something? :P
[00:39] <jani___> especially with windows, because its IO benefits from fast access times a lot more than linux
[00:39] <jani___> i mean, try a directory with 100000 files in windows, how long it takes to delete it :)
[00:39] <Alan> you mean that Linux does well across everything, but windows bogs down really easily?
[00:39] <jani___> then try same with linux with cheapest 5400 RPM disk
[00:40] <jani___> linux will win, regardless the disk :S
[00:40] <jani___> at least ext3/4
[00:40] <Alan> Windows' IO queue is like a conveyor belt made of pensioners...
[00:40]  * undifined just made some ramdisks for /tmp /var/tmp and /var/log
[00:40] <Alan> heavy network IO? no disk for you
[00:40] <jani___> then try copying a lot of small files on windows 7, click advanced bar down
[00:41] <jani___> and wonder why file copy speed is reported as 100kB/s
[00:41] <jani___> and cry
[00:41] <Alan> yeah
[00:41] <Alan> it's crap
[00:41] <Alan> I can't work on windows
[00:41] <Alan> I can play games on windows
[00:41] <Alan> but it's not much of a multi-tasking operating system
[00:41] <undifined> there is an advanced bar for copying ?
[00:41] <undifined> never knew
[00:41] <jani___> windows 7, you get to see copy speed, etc. like that
[00:42] <Alan> undifined: it's where you check "plz go faster, stop checking for DRM rape"
[00:42] <jani___> otherwise it's hidden
[00:42] <undifined> lol
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[00:42] <undifined> my daughter uses win7, but i haven't looked at it
[00:43] <undifined> only setup her wireless
[00:43] <Alan> win7 is the most acceptable windows for quite a while...
[00:43] <undifined> and i was done
[00:43] <jani___> you start to wonder when you're copying 6 MB of files, expect it to be instant and click that advanced after 30 seconds
[00:43] <jani___> win7 is rather decent, yes, other than file operation speed
[00:43] <Alan> jani___: yeah, it's obviously got a crappy long-round-trip synchronous write going on there :|
[00:43] <Alan> sustained read/write is almost OK
[00:43] <jani___> Alan, I think win7 syncs after every file
[00:44] <Alan> (but it will still block other stuff from happening)
[00:44] <Alan> jani___: that would explain it :P
[00:44] <undifined> I'd rather have everyone on linux in the house, but she needs windows for her school / dyslexia programs
[00:44] <jani___> Alan, you can't say it's not good for consistency, though
[00:44] <jani___> but for performance... heh
[00:45] <Alan> jani___: right, but Windows hasn't supported a decent filesystem like... ever?
[00:45] <Alan> I mean, ext3 manages decent filesystem performance...
[00:45] <Alan> much much better than NTFS
[00:45] <jani___> Alan, i hate to defend windows, but tell me any other transactional filesystem?
[00:45] <undifined> fat 12 was ok :p
[00:45] <Alan> (also, my server is still on ext3!!!)
[00:45] <jani___> you can do several file operations and atomically commit/rollback
[00:45] <jani___> pretty cool
[00:46] <Alan> woo
[00:46] <Alan> that's not what filesystems are for
[00:46] <Alan> try getting the basic stuff right first
[00:46] <Alan> :P
[00:46] <undifined> well then how about tux3 fs ?
[00:46] <jani___> i like fs speed, but why not?
[00:46] <Alan> "HOLY CRAP WE HAVE A FEATURE!!!!"  "Shame nothing else works..."
[00:47] <jani___> hehe
[00:47] <jani___> tux3 got transactions?
[00:47] <Alan> hahahha
[00:47] <Alan> You know what i love?
[00:47] <Alan> the newest iPod Shuffle
[00:47] <Alan> "HOLY CRAP WE HAVE BUTTONS!! THEYRE NICE AND EASY TO USE AND INTUITIVE!!!"
[00:47] <jani___> oh great
[00:47] <Alan> So what they really mean is "huh, nobody liked us moving all the buttons off of the device so they couldn't use their own earphones..."
[00:48] <Alan> 4th gen shuffle looks just like 2nd gen shuffle
[00:48] <Alan> a little smaller
[00:48] <Alan> 3rd gen was an abortion
[00:48] <Alan> maybe i should go troll in #apple
[00:48] <Alan> that'd be fun
[00:48] <jani___> ever since my boss became iphone converted he refuses to let people get any other phones :(
[00:48] <jani___> but i want my nokia n900... :/
[00:48] <jani___> not some stinky iphone 4gs
[00:49] <Alan> jani___: how can he do that? :|
[00:49]  * Alan <3 android :P
[00:50] <jani___> n900 = debian, 256MB mem and 768MB swap, etc. can have complete userland on it and ROOT without need for hacks
[00:50] <jani___> no jailbreak needed
[00:50] <jani___> runs firefox smoothly, multiple windows, even when you have youtube videos playing back on the background
[00:51] <Alan> and the battery doesn't last long enough to get it from home to work?
[00:51] <jani___> lasts longer than on iphone
[00:51] <jani___> and you can change it too
[00:51] <Alan> it's heavy
[00:51] <jani___> big deal?
[00:52] <Alan> other than that...
[00:52] <jani___> much lighter than any subnotebook or laptop
[00:52] <Alan> why would you want firefox on a phone?
[00:52] <Alan> oh god
[00:52] <jani___> to browse web?
[00:52] <Alan> are we in device merging hell?
[00:52] <jani___> and you can have ssh tunnel / vnc / rdp
[00:52] <Alan> haha, but firefox? on a small device?
[00:52] <Alan> bleh
[00:52] <jani___> laugh, but it works well
[00:52] <Alan> :P
[00:52] <Alan> ok, i will :)
[00:53] <Alan> phone is not a subnotebook replacement
[00:53] <jani___> but it can overlap in functionality
[00:53] <Alan> my phone is smart enough to do phone stuff plus other stuff if i need to
[00:53] <jani___> and let me tell, i hate lugging laptop around
[00:53] <Alan> my laptop is used for doing actually laptoppy stuff...
[00:53] <Alan> how heavy is your laptop?
[00:53] <jani___> shrug, 2.5kg + stuff
[00:53] <Alan> my laptop gets about 7 hours and it weighs less than 2Kg
[00:54] <Alan> my laptop's actually pretty nice, damned expensive tohugh
[00:54] <Alan> *though
[00:54] <jani___> my laptop gets 30 minutes on a good day
[00:54] <jani___> :)
[00:54] <Alan> Lenovo X200t (tablet)
[00:54] <jani___> lenovo t61p
[00:54] <Alan> 12" LED-backlit screen, 1.86GHz C2D, 4GB RAM
[00:54] <Alan> 7 hours battery life
[00:54] <Alan> (yay low-voltage dual-core)
[00:54] <jani___> nice
[00:55] <Alan> cost about £1300 though
[00:55] <Alan> but i wanted a light powerful tablet with good battery life
[00:55] <jani___> how much is that in real euros?
[00:55] <Alan> cost is the tradeoff there
[00:55] <Alan> euros?
[00:55] <Alan> i thought you said real
[00:55] <Alan> :P
[00:55] <jani___> (you know, pound is often same as euro... in reality)
[00:55] <jani___> even though the exchange rate lets you understand something else
[00:55] <duffydack> not if I can help it
[00:56] <Alan> jani___: you mean exchange rate * crappy economy offset == 1.0 ?
[00:56] <jani___> so many products that cost $300, 300€ and 300 £ :p
[00:56] <Alan> yes, that's true
[00:56] <Alan> i'm not sure
[00:57] <jani___> i wonder why companies want to rip off uk customers so badly
[00:58] <Alan> because they can?
[00:58] <Alan> because buying foreign + import tax is more expensive than buying UK?
[00:58] <jani___> you can also buy a bit in usa, lose the packages and mail yourself the receipts
[00:58] <jani___> and not declare :>
[00:59] <Alan> customs duty is just the economy-difference-modifier to force you to stick with what's forced on you
[00:59] <jani___> or get someone send you stuff as a present
[01:00] <Alan> heh
[01:00] <jani___> very laggy window movement in 10.10 with this integrate 785G stuff (not like it matters for a server, though)
[01:01] <jani___> it feels like windows have some inertia
[01:41] <ssd7> My machine is being hammered by mysqld after upgrading to maverick.  I think this is becuase it is running mysqlcheck and ran into some errors even though there were no indication of database errors before the upgrade.
[01:42] <ssd7> Is there anything I can do, or do I just have to wait?
[01:48] <billybigrigger> has anyone here tried to connect to virtualbox's rdp server?
[02:00] <Alan> billybigrigger: what's your issue?
[02:00] <Alan> then again, if it's +1 specific, i might not be able to help :P
[02:01] <billybigrigger> i have debian setup in a vm, through vbox, and have the remote display setup...all is good in i can connect and use the vm using ubuntu's terminal server client....
[02:01] <billybigrigger> but i'm seeing both my local machines mouse pointer, and debians mouse pointer
[02:01] <billybigrigger> just wanted to know if this is normal or just my config or what not
[02:04] <Alan> billybigrigger: ah, i found that happens until you install virtualbox guest additions in the guest
[02:04] <Alan> (I did the same thing the other day, had the same result - the problem disappears if you install the guest additions)
[02:05] <Alan> If I had to guess, i'd say that usually with remote desktop you have mouse-pointer integration stuff which hides the local or remote mouse pointer, but if you don't have guest additions installed then you don't have pointer integration between the guest and the virtualbox remote desktop server
[02:51] <tuga3d> hi all, where is the xorg.conf file in 10.10?
[02:52] <kklimonda> tuga3d: you have to create one yourself
[02:52] <tuga3d> kklimonda: thanks!!!
[03:23] <micahg> is the upgrade supposed to take 6-7 hrs?
[03:25] <undifined> no micahg
[03:26] <undifined> unless you have a slow connection
[03:26] <micahg> undifined: it was 1 hr to download and it says 6 hrs to upgrade
[03:26] <undifined> ouch  that is a long download
[03:27] <micahg> lucid upgraded in 2 hrs including download
[03:27] <undifined> try to reduce processes
[03:27] <undifined> ones that make is sluggish
[03:28] <undifined> s/is/it/
[03:28] <undifined> top should be able to tell you
[03:29] <glick> hey everyone
[03:29] <undifined> hi glick
[03:29] <glick> whats the repo for skype and google earth and all those extra goodies for 10.10?
[03:29] <undifined> ask ubuntu-tweak
[03:30] <undifined> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/downloads/
[03:30] <micahg> glick: skype you can get from lucid partner
[03:30] <glick> lucid partner its not in the meerkat reps yet?
[03:30] <micahg> glick: partner repo is created close to release
[03:31] <glick> is google earth available from that repo too?
[03:31] <glick> will that cause upgrade issues?
[03:31] <glick> if i enable the lucid repo?
[03:31] <undifined> deb 	http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main
[03:31] <undifined> deb 	http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main
[03:31] <glick> thanks
[03:32] <undifined> I run my own apt-mirror :p
[03:56] <glick> does anyone know why i get the following error when i try to add the google signing key to my keyring
[03:56] <glick> gpg: can't open `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg'
[03:56] <glick> ?
[03:58] <glick> dl.google.com im getting Err http://dl.google.com stable/main Sources
[03:58] <glick>   404  Not Found [IP: 74.125.127.93 80]
[03:58] <Volkodav> looks like the server is down
[03:59] <Volkodav> what else is new with google ?
[03:59] <nigelb> its pinging
[03:59] <mawst> We need cdemu in meerkat.
[03:59] <kklimonda> mawst: it's most likely too late for that
[03:59] <mawst> :(
[03:59] <kklimonda> I'm also not convinced we need cdemu at all
[03:59] <mawst> Well there's no ppa even.
[03:59] <glick> dang
[03:59] <glick> down eh?
[03:59] <mawst> I like it
[04:00] <mawst> People want a handy alcohol/daemon tools alternative.
[04:00] <kklimonda> why would you want to mount images?
[04:00] <kklimonda> wait, don't answer that
[04:01] <kklimonda> (it was a tricky question, I'm pretty sure I know the main reason)
[04:01] <glick> i guess google repos are dwon?
[04:02] <mawst> :D
[04:04] <glick> anyone else verify that its indeed down or im doing it wroing?
[04:05] <kklimonda> 404 is Not Found, not down
[04:05] <kklimonda> maybe you have a wrong address?
[04:06] <glick> kklimonda, im using the address from this tutorial http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html
[04:06] <glick> deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main
[04:07] <kklimonda> well, maybe they have moved it somewhere else and forgotten to change documentation..
[04:35] <nsGrif> My taskbar doesnt appear when I try and boot 10.10 from a disc.
[04:38] <javatexan> moin guys
[04:38] <javatexan>  I put on 10.10 beta....how to add sun jdk, jre, etc?  seems to be different than 10.04
[04:39] <javatexan> before, just multiverse, right?
[04:39] <javatexan> or the partner thing anyways....what changed?
[04:41] <kklimonda> partner repo isn't yet ready for maverick
[04:41] <javatexan> doh
[04:41] <javatexan> that would explain :D
[04:41] <javatexan> good way to get around that little issue?
[04:41] <kklimonda> use openjdk
[04:41] <javatexan> doubt there are .deb
[04:42] <javatexan> true
[04:42] <kklimonda> or install sub java packages for lucid
[04:42] <javatexan> I will try that for a while
[04:42] <kklimonda> sun*
[04:42] <javatexan> gotcha
[04:42] <javatexan> I figured that would break all kinds of stuff
[05:02] <MTecknology> Why can't flash work magically?
[05:03] <MTecknology> What FOSS options are there that don't require nspluginwrapper ?
[05:05] <MTecknology> I tried gnash but that was pretty sad
[05:23] <mxe5> I can not get the regular #ubuntu channel to come up - It say's #ubuntu-unregged - I registered this Nick I'm using right now - So what is the problem ? ?
[05:35] <MTecknology> mxe5: identify
[06:18] <DanaG> Great, KDE 4.5 (if that's what's in Maverick) blacklists fglrx.
[06:26] <DanaG> ah, it's like that "bug fixed in latest latest".
[06:30] <DanaG> Ah, disabling blur lets it work.
[06:30] <DanaG> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/tag/kwin-opengl/
[06:35] <DanaG> OOoh, KDE is shiny, but not overly so.
[06:35] <DanaG> Hmm, it seems to encounter that fglrx lag, that's not as evident on gnome.
[06:36] <DanaG> And why the heck does creating a window read back the contents, anyway?  It makes no sense, in a composited desktop.
[06:38] <DanaG> On my netbook, that readback has fine performance, but makes my menu "vacuum" look horrible.
[06:38] <DanaG> Instead of having just the menu, it grabs part of the underlying window and drags it along for the ride.
[07:10] <gogeta> i hope gnome shell doesent stay that ulgy
[07:25] <Karen_m> before I upgraded to 10.10, I used to be able to right click on the wireless icon at the top->disable wireless.   Now that option is greyed out.. why is that... Now I continually get ubuntu trying to connect to any and all networks
[07:26] <Karen_m> nice to know that all my neighbours wifi ssids being broadcasted are setup to 'connect automatically'
[07:26] <JoshuaL> I seem to have the same
[07:26] <Karen_m> there are only 232 networks here
[07:26] <JoshuaL> @ the greyed out part
[07:26] <JoshuaL> no idea why
[07:26] <Karen_m> having to right click and edit everyone one, beautiful :)
[07:51] <Blue1> thanks got the link
[08:42] <DanaG> argh, stupid KDE just startled the bejezus (and I'm not religious), when it played an obnoxious sound when I closed the lid.
[08:42] <DanaG> That's a really stupid feature -- any time you'd want to close the lid, is a time when you DON'T want sound!
[08:42] <jussi> DanaG: turn it off then? :D
[08:42] <DanaG>  It shouldn't be on by default!@
[08:43] <jussi> file a bug :D
[08:43] <DanaG> That's an absolutely idiotic default.
[08:43]  * jussi huggles DanaG
[08:43] <jussi> DanaG: perhaps you should mention it in #kde-devel?
[08:44] <DanaG> I don't even know where to turn that misfeature off... anyway, I was trying to close the lid to go to bed, so it startled me really badly.
[08:45] <DanaG> ah, it's "profile changed" in Notifications.
[08:46] <DanaG> anyway, bed now.  for real
[09:28] <bobthemilkman> I'm having trouble getting swfdec to work with mozilla. I tried sudo apt-get install libswfdec-0.7-1, and it also grabbed gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, but I can't get it to work in firefox.
[09:32] <bobthemilkman> Also, on an unrelated note, doing sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer causes it to hang behind a firewall, whereas "echo apt-get install flashplugin-installer | sudo -s -" works fine. Where should I report this bug?
[10:32] <joona> Hello!
[10:46] <screen-x> HI, I'm testing 10.10 with netbook/unity UI on an older eeepc, seems much slower than 10.04 unr, should I file a bug? or accept that my hardware is old (eeepc 4g).
[10:48] <screen-x> Also, I can't see the nm-applet, although it is running. If I kill it and run it from a terminal, it appears momentarily, then disappears.
[10:50] <tarzeau> www.ubuntu.com says want to make ubuntu 10.10 a 10 out of 10? the beta's ready for your feedback.     where to give that feedback
[10:50] <tarzeau> launchpad?
[10:51] <tarzeau> my installation of last week, i did upgrade the kernel and all packages in maverick (i386), rebooted and i get only a command line login...
[10:52] <screen-x> tarzeau: ah yes, I got that too. I did sudo service gdm start
[10:52] <tarzeau> screen-x: so did i. no x appears...
[10:52] <tarzeau> screen-x: which video card/driver do you have?
[10:52] <algnod> Hi I am some problems booting 10.10
[10:53] <screen-x> tarzeau: intel 915
[10:53] <tarzeau> algnod: which ones?
[10:54] <tarzeau> screen-x: i got nvidia, let me try another driver, or fall back to nouveau, or nv
[10:54] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: with nvidia install nvidia-current or upgrade it if you dont have latest
[10:55] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: the latest version is 256.53-0ubuntu1
[10:55] <tarzeau> gnomefreak: i just started removing nvidia.*
[10:55] <gnomefreak> if that fails than try other options
[10:55] <algnod> when i boot the live cd on a ibm t30 i do not see the normal startup dialog but only a small symbol at the bottom. If during bootup i press F6 then the dialog appears and I select "try ubuntu". Booting takes place and after some flickering I see some of the bootup messages ending with "checking battery state..."
[10:55] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: why are you removing it?
[10:55] <tarzeau> gnomefreak: how do you get dkms to build it?
[10:55] <tarzeau> gnomefreak: 'cause i try with nouveau?
[10:56] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: it will build it for you
[10:56] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: you can try but that is only a work around
[10:56] <tarzeau> nouveau works
[10:56] <tarzeau> it didn't
[10:56] <tarzeau> xorg logfile says nvidia module not found....
[10:57] <tarzeau> you know it wasn't supposed to boot into the command line
[10:57] <tarzeau> i wish they upgraded the gnustep stuff for 10.10 to what's in sid
[10:58] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: because you still have an xorg.conf after removing nvidia-current. please install nvidia-current than reboot. since nvidia has have a lot of issues with the transition to 1.9 the new package fixes a couple of them
[10:58] <tarzeau> nah, i don't need 3d at workplace
[10:58] <tarzeau> nouveau is just fine
[10:58] <tarzeau> and i wish maverick shipped 0.48 of inkscape
[10:59] <gnomefreak> i dont use it for 3d but i use it for speed
[10:59] <tarzeau> and gphoto2 is stone age in maverick too :(
[10:59] <tarzeau> gnomefreak: it's not much faster if you don't use opengl stuff
[11:00] <gnomefreak> tarzeau: i see improvements in speed using it
[11:00] <tarzeau> that's nice for you, i don't
[11:01] <tarzeau> yuck and maverick gimp-plugin-registry is 3.2-1
[11:01] <tarzeau> squeeze/sid have 3.5.1
[11:01] <tarzeau> that SUCKS
[11:01] <tarzeau> 10.10 will suck for me. glad i got sid on my graphics workstations
[11:02] <tarzeau> and for gphoto2, i got my own later versions
[11:04] <algnod> is there a maverick mailing list?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> algnod: there is a maverick-changes mailing list. it will tell you what packages that were updated installed but only from when you subscirbed to it
[11:07] <algnod> thank you, I would like to help out in testing maverick but I cannot even get it to boot
[11:08] <gnomefreak> algnod: they are devel mailing lists and such. for more infomation please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[11:08] <gnomefreak> algnod: do what i told you to try, ill be back in a few
[11:29] <JohnHeikkila> Hello
[11:36] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:38] <JohnHeikkila> how are you?
[11:39] <rothchild> Anyone else having issues with Spotify (linux client) in Maverick? Tips for a fix? Or do I need to go back to the WINE version for now?
[11:39] <gnomefreak> JohnHeikkila: this channel is for discusstion/support for Maverick to talk on a personal level please join #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:41] <JohnHeikkila> rothchild: You have a Spotify linux client? I thought there wasn't one for linux yer
[11:41] <JohnHeikkila> *t
[11:43] <rothchild> JohnHeikkila: yes, it's been out for a little while, you can only get it if you have a paid for account (apparently they haven't worked out how to stream the ads in it yet. Worked well in Lucid but I've just come up to Maverick for the last month of beta and it's crashing within a couple of seconds of coming up
[11:43] <JohnHeikkila> oh, okau
[11:43] <JohnHeikkila> *y
[12:23] <Ddorda> hey guys, say, how stable is uthe beta?
[12:24] <Ddorda> if i'm not afraid of small bugs but don't want my whole system to crash you would recommend it?
[12:25] <JoshuaL> It is stable enough for me to use as a OS on my laptop I use 24/7
[12:25] <JoshuaL> but there are of course some bugs which may annoy
[12:26] <Ddorda> JoshuaL: for ex.?
[12:26] <JoshuaL> empathy has some odd bug when using the msn protocol, however you can ignore the bug reports after they show up once :p
[12:27] <Ddorda> JoshuaL: oh, so i;m free of bugs as i'm not going to use empathy :P
[12:27] <JoshuaL> just make a backup of your current system and give it a try :)
[12:27] <JoshuaL> + then
[12:29] <gnomefreak> X still has a few bugs
[12:30] <JoshuaL> ohw and xchat lags when changing channels
[12:30] <JoshuaL> no idea why :p
[12:31] <gnomefreak> there are still alot of bugs and we dont suggest you install/upgrade your main system
[12:39] <Ddorda> gnomefreak: what bugs x has?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> Ddorda: ati still is crashing for some users som epeople cant install nvidia without issues ect...
[12:40]  * gnomefreak not super man i cant remember all of them
[12:40] <gnomefreak> oh and someone this moring had intel bug, dont recall what it was
[12:41] <Ddorda> gnomefreak: if you ever see superman call him over here, i need his advise :D
[12:41] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:42] <Ddorda> i guess i'll just have to see how it will work with my pc
[13:10] <brendan-k> hello everybody
[13:11] <brendan-k> "the beta is ready for your feedback" is written on the ubuntu homepage
[13:11] <brendan-k> can somebody please tell me where can one give this feedback?
[13:11] <JoshuaL> here, or on the forums, or launchpad :)
[13:12] <JoshuaL> or even the mailinglist :D
[13:12] <brendan-k> JoshuaL: ok thanks
[13:12] <brendan-k> :)
[13:14] <gnomefreak> depends on the feed back
[13:14] <gnomefreak> there is a place that i cant recall atm
[13:14] <brendan-k> gnomefreak: sure ill type it here quickly
[13:14] <gnomefreak> in general
[13:16] <brendan-k> For me there is one thing lacking in ubuntu, bluray and hd video capability
[13:17] <brendan-k> now im not asking you to create massive new software, dont get me wrong
[13:18] <brendan-k> hardware video acceleration is the necessary component for hd video i think
[13:19] <brendan-k> this has been created for mplayer but the installation is not possible with the repository or a simple deb package
[13:19] <kth> hello have anybody a ati 5670 gpu successfull running under 10.10 ? i'm not able to use fglrx because of a black screen so only the non accelerated driver work currently
[13:26] <kth> nobody ?
[13:28] <kth> well ok i'll give it the last try - hoping for success
[14:01] <zniavre_> does your rhythmbox icon is inside indicator-app ? mine is "just" inside the notification aera
[14:38] <sletz> hi, which version of JACK is in Maverick? JACK1 or JACK2 ?
[14:40] <charlie-tca> !info jack
[15:34] <rockhopper> hi
[15:34] <histo> hello
[15:35] <rockhopper> is there any doc for the changes of 10.10 from 10.04?
[15:35] <histo> rockhopper: there are some current issues with 10.10 netbook edition you may want to read about int he release notes. I noticed installing it on a virtual machine doesn't work because you need a 3d supported card for the unity interface to come up.  That's why I would suggest downloading the cd and running from there to test.
[15:35] <histo> rockhopper: that website I gave you ubuntu.com/testing will show the changes.  The biggest one in UNR would be Unity.
[15:36] <rockhopper> ok
[15:36] <rockhopper> Well, I don't run the virtual machine!
[15:36] <rockhopper> Do you mean the virtual machine like in a Vserver or virtualbox?
[15:37] <histo> rockhopper: yeah I was testing it out on virtualbox
[15:37] <auxbuss> hey ho. Latest updates today killed bluetooth here. Is this known?
[15:37] <rockhopper> Ok, well, if thats the only issue, I have no problems coz i'll run UNR natively
[15:38] <histo> rockhopper: there may be other issues that pop up. But you could always reinstall 10.04 if you aren't worried about data loss.
[15:38] <rockhopper> histo, I've mounted /home on other drive..
[15:39] <auxbuss> By killed bluetooth, I mean that the panel widget has disappeared, although bluetoothd is still running.
[15:39] <rockhopper> so i don't have any worries of data losses!! coz it won't be affected while reinstalling!
[15:39] <rockhopper> auxbuss, try running sudo rfkill list
[15:39] <rockhopper> and see if the bluetooth's blocked there
[15:40] <auxbuss> Thanks. What is rfkill? There's no man page :(
[15:41] <auxbuss> Okay, found docs.
[15:41] <auxbuss> Output says no hard or soft blocks on all devices.
[15:44] <auxbuss> When I run the "bluetooth" app, bluetooth-properties, it fails after a few secs.
[15:45] <auxbuss> Any idea where bluetooth-properties writes its logs? Nothing obvious in /var/log
[15:47] <auxbuss> dmesg shows bluetooth loading okay at boot. (I recently rebooted for driver test for a launchpad bug.)
[15:52] <kklimonda> interesting, I can't use my dvd burner
[15:53] <drdozer> hi
[15:53] <drdozer> I've been using maverick for a while now on 2 machines
[15:53] <drdozer> on one of them, apt/aptitude/dpkg have stopped working
[15:54] <drdozer> they think there are no updates, which is clearly lies
[15:55] <drdozer> I've kind of run out of ideas for how to fix this
[15:55] <drdozer> without resorting to a blank install
[15:55] <rockhopper> drdozer, try installing some new package that you don't have already!!
[15:55] <auxbuss> Have you done a dist-upgrade lately?
[15:55] <drdozer> I just did - I tried cvs and it lied with:
[15:55] <rockhopper> So, you can know if its true or something's wrong
[15:55] <drdozer> Package cvs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[15:55] <drdozer> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[15:55] <drdozer> is only available from another source
[15:56] <rockhopper> Try  changing the source!
[15:56] <auxbuss> can you pastebin you /etc/apt/source.list
[15:57] <drdozer> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted universe multiverse partner
[15:57] <drdozer> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick restricted main multiverse universe partner
[15:57] <drdozer> they are the only 2 entries I have in it
[15:58] <auxbuss> You need maverick-updates in there somewhere, I believe
[15:58] <drdozer> I can't see an updates under: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[15:59] <drdozer> nor partner :) can probably take that out
[15:59] <auxbuss> You need something like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates main restricted...
[16:00] <drdozer> ok, that fetched some files and then told me I had 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:01] <auxbuss> You need them for main restricted universe multiverse.
[16:02] <auxbuss> Do you want me to pastebin my sources.list and you can try that
[16:02] <drdozer> ok, that is worth a shot
[16:02] <drdozer> but I think it's a problem with dpkg/apt/aptitude, not with the sources
[16:02] <drdozer> it's not noticing updates
[16:03] <drdozer> anyway, I will happily try your sources list
[16:03] <auxbuss> http://pastebin.com/yJ05Exc3
[16:04] <auxbuss> You might want to remove the last line, which is the mozilla daily builds ppa
[16:06] <drdozer> right, that's fetched nearly 8m of package stuff
[16:06] <drdozer> yay! it now wants to upgrade 477 items - you where right
[16:07] <remoteCTRL> !upgrade
[16:08] <drdozer> so perhaps i with my deb lines being on a single line rather than one for restricted, another for universe, ...
[16:08] <remoteCTRL> or maybe not...
[16:09] <remoteCTRL> how do i upgrade to maverick?
[16:09] <auxbuss> update-manager -d
[16:10] <charlie-tca> You should read the release notes though - See http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[16:10] <auxbuss> Yeah, it's still moving very rapidly, so be prepared for breakages.
[16:12] <remoteCTRL> auxbuss: thx dude
[16:21] <rockhopper> omg, I've tried updating to 10.10 UNR, packages're being downloaded in 3 minutes, but the installation's still at 2.30 hours remaining
[16:21] <rockhopper> :(
[16:25] <gnomefreak> rockhopper: re start it using sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:29] <remoteCTRL> gosh never let ubuntu do a filesystem check during bootime on a netbook -.-
[16:32] <duffydack> I do.. whats the problem
[16:32] <remoteCTRL> duffydack: it like takes for ever?
[16:33] <remoteCTRL> 33 minutes and 91% -.-
[16:33] <duffydack> not an issue for me.. hmm
[16:34] <remoteCTRL> duffydack: well not in general if i sit at home and do this, ok but if you are trying to show your boss something and this wants to fscheck first...
[16:35] <BajK> Is there some kind of further categorizing planned? It is quite useless, you do have categories such as games and stuff but you still get listed ALL packages. There should be some additional subcategories for the specific application and not flood the user with all the packages
[16:55] <kaj> trying to recall the ati driver for elcheapo radeon graphics ... maverick tried to install the fglrx driver which fails
[16:58] <kaj> I don't have X access so I need the ati driver name for x200m onboard
[16:59] <kaj> nm ..I'll go into windows to find the name
[17:17] <mawst> Is there an ubuntu tweak for maverick?
[17:23] <gnomefreak> mawst: i have it i just cant remember where i got the .deb it works on maverick fine here
[17:35] <mawst> gnomefreak, still have the deb?
[17:35] <gnomefreak> mawst: nope
[17:36] <mawst> Could be the lucid deb I suppose
[17:36] <mawst> It's possible
[17:53] <rockhopper> hi
[17:53] <rockhopper> i just upgraded from UNR 10.04 to 10.10
[17:54] <rockhopper> Now, when i try to boot from it, I can't boot it..
[17:54] <rockhopper> just a cursor's blinking
[17:54] <rockhopper> and thats it.. Not going further
[17:54] <rockhopper> even when i try to boot from live cd, it doesn't boot
[17:56] <rockhopper> does any one had a similar problem??
[18:03] <dupondje> Bluetooth still seems totally broken :(
[18:15] <Awsoonn> Gmorning all, I did updates and now have a sys that hangs on boot. I'm not sure how to get to the new fangled grub menu. Help?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> hold shift as it starts
[18:18] <Awsoonn> Thanks again charlie-tca
[18:18] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:21] <Awsoonn> It locked up @ the same spot, with the pretty spash screen with the four orange circles.
[18:23] <Awsoonn> Before the spash screen I get what looks like a kernel message on the screen... :/
[18:24] <Awsoonn> Its too fast to read tho, any sugestions?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Try removing "quiet splash" from the boot line
[18:26] <BajK> Is it normal that plymouth isnt working in 10.10 Beta (it was in Alfa 3)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> BajK: depends on the video card
[18:30] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: and how might I do that without accessing the grub menu or being able to boot?
[18:31] <charlie-tca> hold shift while booting. The grub menu should come up
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Then you can edit it just like you used to
[18:31] <BajK> charlie-tca: virtualbox
[18:31] <BajK> charlie-tca: it worked in Alfa 3
[18:31] <charlie-tca> screwed
[18:31] <BajK> and it is still the Ubuntu 10.10 screen in purple rather than the blue kubuntu one :)
[18:31] <charlie-tca> oops
[18:32] <charlie-tca> The splash screens are not all there yet. Since VBox does not use KMS, the text screen is used
[18:32] <charlie-tca> More than likely, Kubuntu has a good graphics plymouth screen, but does what xubuntu does. We all fall back to Ubuntu text only splash.
[18:33] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: holding shift does not yeild the boot menu tho. I've tried a few times now
[18:33] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[18:34] <charlie-tca> Um, maybe boot the livecd and edit the /etc/default/grub file to force the menu?
[18:34] <Ddorda> hey guys, is there skype in ubuntu 10.10 repos?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> !info skype
[18:39] <Tweaky> hi. having an issue updating libwebkit, and its now uninstalled, i get an error when reinstalling it, and its limiting my functionality.. even my software center disappeared. http://www.sendspace.com/file/0j6xt8 screenshot of error
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Ddorda: that is wrong. skype does exist in main
[18:40] <charlie-tca> it is version 2.1.0.81
[18:41] <Ddorda> CardinalFang: for some reason it does't show in USC or in apt-cache :S
[18:42] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, Ddorda isn't skype in partner?
[18:43] <Ddorda> ZykoticK9: i have allowed all repo types
[18:44] <ZykoticK9> Ddorda, Skype is in partner repo in Lucid, sorry i'm not in Maverick to check
[18:44] <Tweaky> hi. having an issue updating libwebkit, and its now uninstalled, i get an error when reinstalling it, and its limiting my functionality.. even my software center disappeared. http://www.sendspace.com/file/0j6xt8 screenshot of error http://pastebin.com/rQAz8rs8 pastebin of error
[18:44] <ZykoticK9> !crosspost | Tweaky
[18:45] <charlie-tca> according to synaptic, skype is in main in maverick
[18:46] <Ddorda> weird... i'll try with synaptic
[18:46] <Ddorda> nothing
[18:46] <charlie-tca> pidgin-skype and python-skype are in multiverse
[18:47] <John47> hello all - just upgraded to maverick beta on my dell mini 9 and once it boots into the GUI, my wallpaper starts, but then the screen flashes to white, then flashes back to the wallpaper, etc etc.  Any ideas on how to fix this?
[18:47] <charlie-tca> Unless something has changed in the latest installs. But then it should have gone away here too
[18:48] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype shows it too
[18:49] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, notice the "release (partner)"
[18:49] <charlie-tca> May not be on your mirror yet. It just uploaded three days ago
[18:49] <charlie-tca> I see the partner. But synaptic still shows it in main
[18:50] <charlie-tca> It is possible that not all the mirrors updated yet
[18:50] <Ddorda> i've allowed partner repo and now i have it
[18:50] <Ddorda> thanks
[18:51] <jrib> oops
[18:55] <John47> hello all - just upgraded to maverick beta on my dell mini 9 and once it boots into the GUI, my wallpaper starts, but then the screen flashes to white, then flashes back to the wallpaper, etc etc.  Any ideas on how to fix this?
[18:59] <rockhopper> hi
[18:59] <rockhopper> is anyone there who knows the solution for my problem?
[18:59] <rockhopper> after upgrading, the new kernel's not booting!!
[19:00] <rockhopper> does anyone know of the problem
[19:00] <rockhopper> i can't even boot with the live usb
[19:00] <rockhopper> its showing me a blinking cursor
[19:00] <rockhopper> and nothing's happening!!
[19:00] <rockhopper> But i'm able to boot from the old 2.6.32 kernel!!
[19:00] <rockhopper> not the 2.6.35
[19:02] <rockhopper> anyone?
[19:02] <Ddorda> rockhopper: doesn't sound like kernel bug to me
[19:02] <rockhopper> err!!
[19:02] <John47> rockhopper: I'm having some problems of my own, but it's probably a driver issue rather than a kernel issue
[19:03] <rockhopper> Oh..
[19:03] <John47> rockhopper: just a guess, but I'm no expert, really.  I can't even get into the GUI after my maverick dist upgrade on my Mini 9, so don't go by me.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> rockhopper: remove quiet splash from the live cd by hitting F6; see what the error is. Many times it is a drive it is unable to mount for some reason
[19:03] <rockhopper> Oh..
[19:04] <rockhopper> ok i'll try
[19:04] <rockhopper> brb
[19:04] <undifined> rockhopper, yours is a grub issue
[19:04] <rockhopper> undifined, Is there a solution for it?
[19:04] <undifined> reinstall grub on the disk
[19:05] <undifined> overwrite bootsector and check grub config
[19:05] <rockhopper> ok.. shud i remove it and install it?
[19:05] <undifined> in reverse order
[19:05] <rockhopper> install and remove?
[19:05] <undifined> check grub config
[19:06] <undifined> overwrite bootsector
[19:06] <rockhopper> undifined, I'm sorry I'm a newbie.. can you tell me exactly what to do?
[19:06] <undifined> !grub
[19:07] <undifined> John47, you are at a commandline now ?
[19:08] <John47> undifined: no, but I can get there - am in the recovery menu
[19:08] <John47> drop to root shell prompt?
[19:08] <undifined> hmmm,
[19:08] <John47> undifined: or login for cmdln access perhaps?
[19:08] <undifined> yes
[19:09] <undifined> any shell will do
[19:09] <John47> undifined: there....logged in...command line only, no X
[19:09] <John47> undifined: at the home dir
[19:09] <undifined> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[19:09] <undifined> or sudo it
[19:10] <John47> undifined: ok, waiting.....
[19:10] <rockhopper> !grub2
[19:10] <John47> undifined: yeah, same thing - the wallpaper appears, then flashes white, then flashes wallpaper endlessly
[19:11] <undifined> no messages ?
[19:11] <John47> undifined: nope, just goes into this endless cycle.
[19:11] <John47> undifined: when I hit cntrl-alt-del, I do get the menu for shutdown, but it flashes too
[19:12] <undifined> yeah sounds like a driver issue
[19:13] <undifined> did you mess with xorg.conf ?
[19:13] <John47> undifined: yeah, if I could at least boot into Gnome with minimal drivers, I could fix it, but when I boot into failsafex, all i get is the wallpaper - nothing else.
[19:13] <undifined> see if it exists at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:14] <John47> undifined: nah, I didn't mess with xorg, but surely the dist-upgrade made changes to my system
[19:14] <John47> ok, holdon
[19:15] <John47> undifined: uh, hmmm....not there
[19:15] <undifined> good
[19:15] <John47> I have xorg.conf.failsafe, but that's it
[19:19] <undifined> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[19:20] <John47> undifined: I will look this over, thanks.  Sounds like I need to reconfigure X, but the recovery menus are not doing this for me.
[19:20] <undifined> ok have fun
[19:22] <John47> undifined: if by "fun" you mean unparalled agony, then absolutely, I will have a blast... ;)
[19:52] <goruka> hi guys, i tried out the beta because 10.04 worked poorly for me, and it seems i can't use the nvidia driver with the xorg version that comes with 10.10 beta.. any hints?
[19:54] <John47> goruka: I'm having MAJOR issues with xorg...I did a dist upgrade on my Dell mini 9 and now I cannot boot into gnome.  Haven't been able to solve the problem
[19:55] <goruka> John47, mine just says xorg is too new for nvidia driver
[19:56] <John47> goruka: Ugh, this probably means I'll have to re-install 10.04 from a USB.....Maybe I'll just try to install Unity from the PPA
[19:56] <gnomefreak> goruka: goruka upgrade your driver version to nvidia-current 256.53-0ubuntu2
[19:56] <John47> should have done that in the first place, probably.
[19:56] <goruka> gnomefreak, i'll try
[19:56] <John47> gnomefreak: how would you do that from the command line?
[19:56] <goruka> gnomefreak, i seem to only have 256.44 , not 53
[19:57] <gnomefreak> John47: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgade
[19:57] <gnomefreak> goruka: 53 fixes your bug
[19:57] <John47> gnomefreak: yeah, I tried that, got no love
[19:57] <gnomefreak> you didnt do a full upgrade if you just upgraded
[19:58] <gnomefreak> John47: you have a different bug than
[19:59] <gnomefreak> John47: file a bug report using "ubuntu-bug nvidia-current" withou the "
[19:59] <John47> gnomefreak: I need to figure out what the exact bug is though....need to find out how to get the log file here so I know what is breaking down.
[20:00] <gnomefreak> John47: it is in /var/log you will see a bunch of xorg files the latest one you want. apport will add the need files to bug report
[20:01] <John47> gnomefreak: ok, will see if I can manage that....newb with terminal in ubuntu
[20:01] <gnomefreak> John47: this file Xorg.0.log
[20:02] <gnomefreak> John47: use nv driver so you can at leaast get X
[20:02] <gnomefreak> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau << package
[20:03] <John47> gnomefreak: yeah, see, it boots into a terminal prompt, and then once I log in, I can type "startx" and get a desktop, but it's not the netbook interface, but standard desktop.  Oh, and tons of crash messages pop up....
[20:03] <gnomefreak> nouveau is the default driver. you can try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:03] <John47> gnomefreak: I actually don't have an xorg.conf file in that directory
[20:04] <gnomefreak> John47: as for net book in not sure but once you get X you can file the bug an nvidia-current
[20:04] <gnomefreak> John47: ok just making sure
[20:05] <goruka> gnomefreak, oh thanks
[20:21] <benishor> Hello ! I'mgetting an error while trying to upgrade from 10.04 -> 10.10  ... "can not mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade". Can anyone please help out with this?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> do you have more than one desktop environment installed; like Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu ?
[20:24] <benishor> yes, kde alongside gnome
[20:25] <benishor> I basically started out with kubuntu and then switched to gnome by installing the proper packages
[20:25] <charlie-tca> You will have to keep the one you want the most. Then you can upgrade that one and then reinstall the other one
[20:26] <benishor> needless to say I have become addicted to gnome
[20:26] <charlie-tca> It won't allow you to upgrade both environments during the upgrade
[20:26] <benishor> how would I only keep that one?
[20:26] <charlie-tca> remove "sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop"
[20:27] <charlie-tca> use the part in quotes in a terminal
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Then it should allow you to upgrade gnome
[20:27] <benishor> charlie-tca: just did. let's see if the dist upgrade works
[20:28] <charlie-tca> You should read the release notes though - See http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[20:29] <benishor> Hm ...I'm getting the same error:
[20:29] <benishor> can not mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade
[20:30] <charlie-tca> really? did you do the sudo apt-get upgrade - sudo apt-get dist-upgrade first?
[20:30] <benishor> no. I ran update-manager -d and I clicked on upgrade version
[20:33] <benishor> charlie-tca: any other suggestions please? I'm kind of braindead at this point
[20:34] <charlie-tca> nope, sorry. This is where I let the experts take it. There are many that know more than me.
[20:35] <John47> guys, I did the same - upgraded from within 10.04 on my netbook, and now the X server is really broken...I'm also at a loss for how to fix it
[20:35] <John47> downgrading now back to 10.04....oh well
[20:35] <benishor> John47: my upgrade won't even proceed
[20:35] <charlie-tca> might be better that way?
[20:36] <benishor> :) might be, although I'm really keen on trying out maverick without really reinstalling everything
[20:36] <ant30> Have someone syntax errors  /var/lib/dpkg/status  - /var/lib/dpkg/available after update to maverick ?
[20:37] <benishor> ant30: virtualbox by any chance?
[20:39] <ant30> benishor I have five pc's
[20:39] <ant30> any other have this problem,
[20:39] <benishor> ant30: I wondered how do the errors sound like
[20:39] <ant30> and other four pcs, have been upgrade a month ago
[20:40] <ant30> well, I force to update after see the error on update-manage :(
[20:40] <benishor> how did you force the update to happen?
[20:40] <benishor> I can't seem to get there
[20:40] <ant30> Well, update-manager breaks after revert my source.list
[20:41] <ant30> then, apt-get update don't run
[20:41] <ant30> and apt-get dist-upgrade show that ubuntu-desktop is break
[20:42] <ant30> then, I put the sources.list with maverick repos
[20:42] <ant30> a make a apt-get dist-upgrade, I know this is bad :)
[20:44] <knittl> hi. i'm experiencing this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501380 any ideas?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> benishor: bug 606150
[20:44] <charlie-tca> benishor: also bug 617929
[20:45] <charlie-tca> knittl: in fedora? or in Ubuntu?
[20:46] <knittl> charlie-tca: in ubuntu. but it's the same symptoms
[20:46] <knittl> i only found the report for fedora
[20:49] <benishor> charlie-tca: what do you suggest I try in this case?
[20:50] <benishor> I seem to have removed kubuntu-desktop from the first attempt:
[20:50] <benishor> acid@omega:/var/log/dist-upgrade$ sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:50] <benishor> Reading package lists... Done
[20:50] <benishor> Building dependency tree
[20:50] <benishor> Reading state information... Done
[20:50] <benishor> Package kubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed
[20:50] <benishor> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:53] <ZykoticK9> benishor, is ubuntu-desktop installed?  you probably need one or the other for a version upgrade to work successfully
[20:53] <benishor> ZykoticK9:
[20:53] <benishor> acid@omega:/var/log/dist-upgrade$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:53] <benishor> Reading package lists... Done
[20:53] <benishor> Building dependency tree
[20:53] <benishor> Reading state information... Done
[20:53] <benishor> ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[20:54] <benishor> at least if there were a way to know what's going on
[20:54] <charlie-tca> knittl: bug 305301 ?
[20:54] <ZykoticK9> benishor, see !paste for pasting multi-line output - but ubuntu-desktop is installed so that's good.  Best of luck.
[20:54] <benishor> ZykoticK9: 10x, but I still get the "can not mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade" error
[20:54] <benishor> !paste
[20:56] <knittl> charlie-tca: i have kms (afaik)
[20:56] <knittl> and the problem is with nouveau
[20:56] <knittl> standby works with nvidia
[20:57] <lucas-arg> im having problems with nvidia-current and plymouth laptop sometimes doesnt even logs in and just stays in boot for hours...
[20:57] <lucas-arg> and graphics are slow or laggy...
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I reccomend filing a new bug using "ubuntu-bug linux" in a terminal, and include the fedora bug number. Of course, if yours is nvidia, it is not the same, since that was ATI mobility
[20:58] <lucas-arg> gnome compiz are laggy
[20:58] <charlie-tca> it's beta
[20:59] <lucas-arg> i know... just typin this here, some dev could read it
[21:00] <charlie-tca> oaky :-)
[21:00] <lucas-arg> im using it as my primary and only OS right now... so its ok so far
[21:05] <ant30> Well, I just fixed my problem by purging virtualbox-2.2  and removing virtualbox-3.1, and also mplayer package
[21:05] <benishor> ant30: I asked you above if you had virtualbox installed
[21:06] <ant30> benishor sorry, I think that you told me about ubuntu in virtualbox
[21:23] <A1B2C3> hello, do someone know where to configure pwd in xchat ? it doesn not seem to use the one i gave in the preference :/
[21:24] <coz_> A1B2C3,  I am not sure  ...did you try on the #xchat   channel?
[21:24] <A1B2C3> not yet
[21:27] <undifined> this alsa-pulse things really annoying me :}
[21:28] <undifined> why do i only get noise.wav output puzzles me
[21:38] <TeslaTony> I just upgraded to 10.10, and now I have options for Ubuntu Desktop Edition, Netbook Edition, and Netbook Edition 2D. When I try logging into Netbook Edition, I am greeted cheerfully by my wallpaper...and nothing else. What do I do to get it to factory defaults? (desktop edition works fine, though)
[21:42] <tracy68> whas the current kernel in maverick ?
[21:42] <tracy68> whats
[21:43] <charlie-tca> !info linux
[21:44] <tracy68> why i have ubuntu lucid and it says 2.6.36-20 ?
[21:44] <charlie-tca> it shouldn't unless you installed a new kernel yourself
[21:44] <charlie-tca> lucid is using 2.6.32.24
[21:45] <charlie-tca> !info linux lucid
[21:45] <tracy68> uname -a
[21:45] <tracy68> Linux matrix 2.6.36-20-generic #25~lucid1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Aug 25 04:24:28 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:45] <charlie-tca> oops. looks like I am an update behind
[21:46] <charlie-tca> do you have proposed enabled?
[21:46] <guntbert> charlie-tca: no, you are not behind
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Oh, good. Thanks
[21:47] <KE1HA> same here charlie-tca 32-24 fer lucid
[21:48] <guntbert> charlie-tca: the .25 is not reported by uname
[21:49] <charlie-tca> But, back to the question asked by tracy68. the only way to the 2.6.36 kernel in lucid is proposed or purposely installing it
[21:50] <svu> who'd be the right person to ask questions about PPC port of 10.10?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[21:58] <charlie-tca> um, Hello, bug
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Not been a good day for anything from me...
[21:58] <guntbert> BUGabundo: now you got me wondering -- the second time I see that statement from you
[21:59] <BUGabundo> guntbert: LOL eheh
[21:59] <BUGabundo> just a small word joke with the work "Boas"
[21:59] <BUGabundo> portuguese for Hi
[22:00]  * guntbert headslaps
[22:00] <BUGabundo> "broas" is a kind of bread
[22:00] <BUGabundo> not the most accured of best photo, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broa
[22:01]  * BUGabundo stops offtopic
[22:17] <flixil> Hello. I wanna use a newer kernel from maverik, what do I have to write instead of lucid in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[22:34] <flixil> Oh shit sorry I mispelled maverik and it's maverick. Now it works :)
 there is kernel 2.6.35 for lucid
[23:05] <tracy68> flixil are u still here ?
[23:07] <stlsaint> anyone have any ideas why the keyring authentication was changed?
[23:08] <stlsaint> this is pretty annoying
[23:08] <stlsaint> having to re-authenticate everytime i want to use my ssh key
[23:08] <stlsaint> its no longer unlocked at login nor am i given the option to allow it to be
[23:11] <BUGabundo> stlsaint: change it to session
[23:12] <ikonia> tracy68:
[23:12] <tracy68> yes
[23:13] <stlsaint> BUGabundo: yea but its still on a time limit where as before it would just unlock upon login to system
[23:41] <lucas-arg> hey one question guys, ive installed linux-image-generic-pae and headers-pae it installed -19 kernels, ive checked the repos and there is a -20 kernel, shouldnt those packages install lastest kernels by default?