| AlanBell | charlie-tca: have you tried the new ubuntu font? | 17:18 |
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| AlanBell | would be interested in your opinion of using the new font with the large print high contrast theme | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I have been using it. I haven't tried with high contrast themes, but I have it as default for everything, including firefox | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | I thought that was what your devel wiki used? | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | or am I forcing my fonts somehow? | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | I do like it. It is quite easy on the eyes | 17:20 |
| AlanBell | ok, good, thanks | 17:28 |
| AlanBell | looking at the impact of making it the desktop default, which it might be | 17:28 |
| AlanBell | bug 629622 | 17:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 629622 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) (affects: 6) (heat: 50)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629622 | 17:29 |
| vish | AlanBell: hi, did you have time to test the 9pt font bug i mentioned? :) | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | vish: I had a quick look but couldn't see anything special happening, but that wasn't on Maverick at the time | 17:33 |
| vish | AlanBell: hmm weird, i'm not on maverick either.. thanks though .. | 17:34 |
| AlanBell | there are some hinting bugs | 17:35 |
| Pendulum | the Disability Studies Conference at Lancaster Uni is streaming their plenaries this week at http://www.lancs.ac.uk/iss/digital/disability/ | 18:23 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: ping | 21:08 |
| pendulum|phone | Anyone around? | 21:14 |
| pendulum|phone | Sorry, my net just went down | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | hi pendulum|phone | 21:15 |
| pendulum|phone | AlanBell: Is it just you and me? | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | um, by the looks of things | 21:16 |
| pendulum|phone | If so would you be okay with delaying some as the phone is also down so i need to use my mobile to ring the cable company | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | yes, lets do that | 21:17 |
| Pendulum | well, I may be around now | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | oh good | 21:33 |
| Pendulum | well, theoretically | 21:33 |
| Pendulum | the net seems to be working | 21:33 |
| Pendulum | but the phone still isn't working | 21:34 |
| Pendulum | which isn't a great sign | 21:34 |
| Pendulum | and I think the net is being quite laggy | 21:34 |
| AlanBell | ok, well lets see how it goes | 21:34 |
| charlie-tca | I made it back now | 21:34 |
| AlanBell | o/ charlie-tca | 21:34 |
| Pendulum | hiya charlie-tca | 21:35 |
| charlie-tca | Hi | 21:35 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: I was actually poking you about something completely separate since I think you said you don't have time for personas, right? | 21:36 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, yeah | 21:37 |
| charlie-tca | but I was outside with the lawn mower for a few minutes | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: perhaps we should round up some more bodies to join in with the personas | 21:38 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca: can I PM you for a sec? | 21:38 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: any suggestions for whom? | 21:38 |
| charlie-tca | sure, Pendulum | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | I can ask in -uk for a start | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | just needs people with a bit of imagination and a good grasp of english | 21:39 |
| MichealH | Hey all | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility while you are waiting | 21:46 |
| Pendulum | hi sick_fox | 21:46 |
| sick_fox | hi Pendulum | 21:47 |
| dutchie | o/ | 21:47 |
| sick_fox | dont you know how can I get into ubuntu channel? | 21:47 |
| Pendulum | heya dutchie | 21:47 |
| dutchie | hi Pendulum | 21:47 |
| Pendulum | sick_fox: /join #ubuntu | 21:47 |
| sick_fox | Pendulum, impossible I tried it even with windowed client and it is impossible to join for me | 21:48 |
| sick_fox | Pendulum, what could be wrong? | 21:49 |
| MichealH | AlanBell: While im waiting? | 21:49 |
| charlie-tca | sick_fox: check in #ubuntu-ops | 21:49 |
| Pendulum | sick_fox: I dunno, but this isn't a channel for support, you might want to try #ubuntu-beginners-help | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | MichealH: just giving you some light reading | 21:49 |
| Pendulum | anyway, for those of you here about the "writing project" AlanBell was advertising ;-) | 21:50 |
| Pendulum | the Accessibility Team has been gathering information to create accessibility personas | 21:50 |
| sick_fox | thanks for help | 21:50 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: do you have the really good link with examples of personas handy? | 21:51 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: the IBM one? | 21:51 |
| MichealH | Sorry? Presonas? | 21:51 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: I think so? | 21:51 |
| MichealH | (13 y/o her) | 21:51 |
| Pendulum | Personas are generally design techniques | 21:51 |
| AlanBell | http://www-01.ibm.com/software/ucd/gallery/software.html | 21:51 |
| dutchie | MichealH: made-up users to exemplify target users | 21:51 |
| dutchie | or something | 21:51 |
| Pendulum | dutchie: that's pretty much it | 21:52 |
| Pendulum | the idea behind it is that people design for people, not concepts | 21:52 |
| MichealH | made-up users? | 21:52 |
| MichealH | huh? | 21:52 |
| AlanBell | ok, so a persona is a character that you have in your head while designing something | 21:52 |
| MichealH | Like a image of the final thing? | 21:52 |
| AlanBell | so you are not just building it for yourself, but making sure it works for all your target users | 21:52 |
| MichealH | Okay :) | 21:52 |
| Pendulum | so you're designing to people | 21:52 |
| * dutchie tries to find where the UMP personas went | 21:52 | |
| Pendulum | rather than to more nebulous concepts | 21:53 |
| Pendulum | so with accessibility this means creating personas of people who have accessibility needs | 21:53 |
| AlanBell | canonical use personas too for designing Ubuntu | 21:53 |
| AlanBell | we want to expand that set of personas to add some new characters with particular needs | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | so one might be blind and use a screenreader for example | 21:54 |
| MichealH | Yeah | 21:54 |
| MichealH | o where would writing come into this? | 21:54 |
| MichealH | *So | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | now we could just have "person A uses orca a screenreader" | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | which is dull and uninspiring | 21:54 |
| MichealH | But thats not detailed enough? | 21:55 |
| MichealH | AlanBell: Yup | 21:55 |
| AlanBell | so the persona documents flesh this out into a real likeable person | 21:55 |
| Pendulum | with their goals and life | 21:55 |
| * dutchie will post a link to the UMP personas as soon as ubuntu one finishes uploading | 21:55 | |
| MichealH | So It would be like "name want to do action but, he/she has a disability..." type thing | 21:56 |
| MichealH | And sort turn it into a story? | 21:56 |
| AlanBell | kind of, yes | 21:57 |
| dutchie | ah, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/pdfEBhpByuVz4.pdf | 21:57 |
| MichealH | AlanBell: Where do I sign up? | 21:58 |
| AlanBell | dutchie: yeah, that would be the canonical personas we told Ben not to post to the list | 21:58 |
| dutchie | AlanBell: oh dear, he never mentioned that | 21:58 |
| Pendulum | dutchie: that's because he conveniently forgot that we said "don't post publicly" | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | so yeah go look at the link dutchie posted, that is the canonical set of personas, it isn't a "released" document but we were given it for the benefit this project | 21:59 |
| MichealH | Can I get started? | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | MichealH: nope! | 21:59 |
| MichealH | AlanBell: Why??? :( | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | because you don't know what you are doing yet | 21:59 |
| MichealH | I know we are making personas | 22:00 |
| dutchie | we don't know what personas yet :) | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | ok, so that document is the kind of thing we want to come up with at the end of the process | 22:00 |
| MichealH | Okie | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | just to give you an idea of the overall quality standard we are aiming for and the amount of background about their lives | 22:00 |
| MichealH | Like "name witched to Ubuntu from Windows num year ago" | 22:01 |
| MichealH | *witched | 22:01 |
| MichealH | *swithched | 22:01 |
| MichealH | I hate my spelling | 22:01 |
| MichealH | Well, keyboard | 22:01 |
| * charlie-tca keyboard can't spell either | 22:02 | |
| AlanBell | now we want our personas to be realistic, so we conducted a survey, I will link to the questions we asked in a sec | 22:02 |
| Pendulum | MichealH: more like "so and so teaches 5th grade and likes to play softball" | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Survey | 22:02 |
| MichealH | I really need to go soon | 22:02 |
| dutchie | hi Thingymebob | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | MichealH: ok, thats fine, you can catch up over the next few days, this is a long term project | 22:03 |
| MichealH | AlanBell: Is that it? Because I really need to go | 22:03 |
| Thingymebob | \o dutchie | 22:03 |
| MichealH | Okay | 22:03 |
| MichealH | \o | 22:03 |
| AlanBell | we got 25 or so detailed responses to the questions which we have put in a spreadsheet somewhere | 22:04 |
| AlanBell | in fact, yes we are not going to post that on the internet anywhere, but if you want it email me and I will send it to you | 22:04 |
| AlanBell | alanbell at ubuntu.com | 22:04 |
| AlanBell | it has names and emails removed but the answers might be a bit recognisable | 22:05 |
| Pendulum | well, if you know the people | 22:05 |
| dutchie | how many were you looking to do? | 22:05 |
| Pendulum | which most people here don't | 22:05 |
| Pendulum | we're looking to do about 5 | 22:05 |
| AlanBell | each one with a different principal impairment, but some may have multiple issues | 22:06 |
| Pendulum | we were thinking to break down: blind, partially sighted, motor disability, learning disability... and something else that I'm missing | 22:06 |
| AlanBell | we want a mixture of ages and genders | 22:06 |
| AlanBell | deaf | 22:06 |
| AlanBell | motor disability might mean a wheelchair user, but actually in terms of computer use we are talking about manual dexterity, using mouse, keyboard and other pointing devices | 22:07 |
| AlanBell | so I think we need to start with making up their names and real basic information, then start to flesh out each one in turn | 22:09 |
| dutchie | yeah | 22:09 |
| AlanBell | or each pick a different one to do | 22:09 |
| dutchie | we'd still need names and basic info first to get a good mix, i should imagine | 22:10 |
| Pendulum | yes | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | ok, so who is here and interested in working on this? | 22:10 |
| dutchie | o/ | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 22:10 |
| Pendulum | o/ | 22:10 |
| AlanBell | michealH was | 22:10 |
| Pendulum | so that's 4 people | 22:11 |
| AlanBell | think we caught everyone on a quiet night | 22:11 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 22:11 |
| AlanBell | feel free to drag other people in on this dutchie | 22:12 |
| Pendulum | I'm also going to poke MichelleQ when I see her next because I think she was also interested | 22:12 |
| * dutchie tries to round up some ump-ers | 22:13 | |
| AlanBell | that would be ideal | 22:13 |
| AlanBell | lets have a go at writing the high level info | 22:13 |
| dutchie | how about using an etherpad or something? | 22:13 |
| AlanBell | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WkO4TZbvWt | 22:14 |
| AlanBell | one other thing, we want to make them somewhat successful and awesome people, not a recluse with no friends! | 22:17 |
| dutchie | :) | 22:17 |
| Pendulum | but it is realistic to have all sorts of ages | 22:20 |
| Thingymebob | Do you need to consider if these are from birth impairments, where the person will have greater skill in dealing with it, or accident / health induced impairments | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | Thingymebob: that would certainly go in the description | 22:21 |
| Pendulum | but it's not necessarily going to impact actual computer usage that much | 22:21 |
| Pendulum | (for example, I use a computer similarly to some of the people with CP I know, even though my mobility stuff showed up when i was 15ish rather than from birth) | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: what sort of ages were you thinking? | 22:22 |
| Pendulum | i'm trying to think | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | 30 +-10 seems to cover a lot of people in #ubuntu-uk and who were at UDS | 22:23 |
| Pendulum | i'd like to have one teen in there. would anyone mind if I moved Henrietta to 18 from 24? | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | go ahead | 22:24 |
| Pendulum | otherwise any other ages in the middle work for the last 2 :) | 22:24 |
| dutchie | shall we scatter them around the globe? we've managed to pick english names for most of them, but they could be changed | 22:25 |
| Pendulum | makes sense to me | 22:25 |
| AlanBell | I think a bit more scattering perhaps, I put one in India | 22:26 |
| AlanBell | no Henrietta! | 22:30 |
| dutchie | sorry | 22:31 |
| Pendulum | We can rename Sally. | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | if I get another chicken I will call it Daniela | 22:32 |
| dutchie | :) | 22:32 |
| dutchie | did the other alan manage to keep them all in one piece? | 22:33 |
| AlanBell | he did | 22:33 |
| dutchie | \o/ | 22:33 |
| AlanBell | lol | 22:34 |
| dutchie | that just leaves Faisal | 22:34 |
| AlanBell | not a call centre! | 22:35 |
| dutchie | we could just make him a junior software engineer | 22:36 |
| AlanBell | yup, that works too | 22:37 |
| dutchie | ah, didn't see teacher | 22:37 |
| dutchie | looks good to me | 22:37 |
| * dutchie subscribes to the list | 22:38 | |
| AlanBell | lesson plans to type up and so on | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | I am pretty pleased with how that worked out so far | 22:39 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 22:40 |
| AlanBell | ok, I think we have done enough for now (but feel free to carry on tweaking) | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: what do you think we should do next, schedule another session? | 22:41 |
| Pendulum | Sorry, I'm on dasher so am slow. | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | yeah, thought you might be :-( | 22:42 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: either that or divvy up and each take on | 22:42 |
| Pendulum | 1 | 22:43 |
| AlanBell | I think working on it together works rather well, we could do a pad for each one and thrash it out, then transfer the results to the wiki or a nicely formatted document later | 22:43 |
| AlanBell | nice idea dutchie! | 22:44 |
| dutchie | only if they're not all taken :) | 22:45 |
| dutchie | wahey | 22:46 |
| dutchie | right | 22:48 |
| AlanBell | just wondering when to have another session at it | 22:49 |
| AlanBell | so I think the thing to do next is to each tell a friend about the project, and show them the etherpad so far | 22:51 |
| AlanBell | we can schedule another hack hour on the documents in a day or two, via an email to the accessibilty list | 22:52 |
| AlanBell | thanks all o/ | 22:57 |
| Pendulum | sounds good to me :) | 23:05 |
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