[17:18] charlie-tca: have you tried the new ubuntu font? [17:18] would be interested in your opinion of using the new font with the large print high contrast theme [17:19] yes, I have been using it. I haven't tried with high contrast themes, but I have it as default for everything, including firefox [17:19] I thought that was what your devel wiki used? [17:19] or am I forcing my fonts somehow? [17:20] I do like it. It is quite easy on the eyes [17:28] ok, good, thanks [17:28] looking at the impact of making it the desktop default, which it might be [17:29] bug 629622 [17:29] Launchpad bug 629622 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) (affects: 6) (heat: 50)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/629622 [17:33] AlanBell: hi, did you have time to test the 9pt font bug i mentioned? :) [17:33] vish: I had a quick look but couldn't see anything special happening, but that wasn't on Maverick at the time [17:34] AlanBell: hmm weird, i'm not on maverick either.. thanks though .. [17:35] there are some hinting bugs [18:23] the Disability Studies Conference at Lancaster Uni is streaming their plenaries this week at http://www.lancs.ac.uk/iss/digital/disability/ [21:08] charlie-tca: ping [21:14] Anyone around? [21:15] Sorry, my net just went down [21:15] hi pendulum|phone [21:15] AlanBell: Is it just you and me? [21:16] um, by the looks of things [21:16] If so would you be okay with delaying some as the phone is also down so i need to use my mobile to ring the cable company [21:17] yes, lets do that [21:33] well, I may be around now [21:33] oh good [21:33] well, theoretically [21:33] the net seems to be working [21:34] but the phone still isn't working [21:34] which isn't a great sign [21:34] and I think the net is being quite laggy [21:34] ok, well lets see how it goes [21:34] I made it back now [21:34] o/ charlie-tca [21:35] hiya charlie-tca [21:35] Hi [21:36] charlie-tca: I was actually poking you about something completely separate since I think you said you don't have time for personas, right? [21:37] Oh, yeah [21:37] but I was outside with the lawn mower for a few minutes [21:38] Pendulum: perhaps we should round up some more bodies to join in with the personas [21:38] charlie-tca: can I PM you for a sec? [21:38] AlanBell: any suggestions for whom? [21:39] sure, Pendulum [21:39] I can ask in -uk for a start [21:39] just needs people with a bit of imagination and a good grasp of english [21:45] Hey all [21:45] o/ [21:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility while you are waiting [21:46] hi sick_fox [21:47] hi Pendulum [21:47] o/ [21:47] dont you know how can I get into ubuntu channel? [21:47] heya dutchie [21:47] hi Pendulum [21:47] sick_fox: /join #ubuntu [21:48] Pendulum, impossible I tried it even with windowed client and it is impossible to join for me [21:49] Pendulum, what could be wrong? [21:49] AlanBell: While im waiting? [21:49] sick_fox: check in #ubuntu-ops [21:49] sick_fox: I dunno, but this isn't a channel for support, you might want to try #ubuntu-beginners-help [21:49] MichealH: just giving you some light reading [21:50] anyway, for those of you here about the "writing project" AlanBell was advertising ;-) [21:50] the Accessibility Team has been gathering information to create accessibility personas [21:50] thanks for help [21:51] AlanBell: do you have the really good link with examples of personas handy? [21:51] Pendulum: the IBM one? [21:51] Sorry? Presonas? [21:51] AlanBell: I think so? [21:51] (13 y/o her) [21:51] Personas are generally design techniques [21:51] http://www-01.ibm.com/software/ucd/gallery/software.html [21:51] MichealH: made-up users to exemplify target users [21:51] or something [21:52] dutchie: that's pretty much it [21:52] the idea behind it is that people design for people, not concepts [21:52] made-up users? [21:52] huh? [21:52] ok, so a persona is a character that you have in your head while designing something [21:52] Like a image of the final thing? [21:52] so you are not just building it for yourself, but making sure it works for all your target users [21:52] Okay :) [21:52] so you're designing to people [21:52] * dutchie tries to find where the UMP personas went [21:53] rather than to more nebulous concepts [21:53] so with accessibility this means creating personas of people who have accessibility needs [21:53] canonical use personas too for designing Ubuntu [21:54] we want to expand that set of personas to add some new characters with particular needs [21:54] so one might be blind and use a screenreader for example [21:54] Yeah [21:54] o where would writing come into this? [21:54] *So [21:54] now we could just have "person A uses orca a screenreader" [21:54] which is dull and uninspiring [21:55] But thats not detailed enough? [21:55] AlanBell: Yup [21:55] so the persona documents flesh this out into a real likeable person [21:55] with their goals and life [21:55] * dutchie will post a link to the UMP personas as soon as ubuntu one finishes uploading [21:56] So It would be like "name want to do action but, he/she has a disability..." type thing [21:56] And sort turn it into a story? [21:57] kind of, yes [21:57] ah, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/pdfEBhpByuVz4.pdf [21:58] AlanBell: Where do I sign up? [21:58] dutchie: yeah, that would be the canonical personas we told Ben not to post to the list [21:58] AlanBell: oh dear, he never mentioned that [21:59] dutchie: that's because he conveniently forgot that we said "don't post publicly" [21:59] so yeah go look at the link dutchie posted, that is the canonical set of personas, it isn't a "released" document but we were given it for the benefit this project [21:59] Can I get started? [21:59] MichealH: nope! [21:59] AlanBell: Why??? :( [21:59] because you don't know what you are doing yet [22:00] I know we are making personas [22:00] we don't know what personas yet :) [22:00] ok, so that document is the kind of thing we want to come up with at the end of the process [22:00] Okie [22:00] just to give you an idea of the overall quality standard we are aiming for and the amount of background about their lives [22:01] Like "name witched to Ubuntu from Windows num year ago" [22:01] *witched [22:01] *swithched [22:01] I hate my spelling [22:01] Well, keyboard [22:02] * charlie-tca keyboard can't spell either [22:02] now we want our personas to be realistic, so we conducted a survey, I will link to the questions we asked in a sec [22:02] MichealH: more like "so and so teaches 5th grade and likes to play softball" [22:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Survey [22:02] I really need to go soon [22:03] hi Thingymebob [22:03] MichealH: ok, thats fine, you can catch up over the next few days, this is a long term project [22:03] AlanBell: Is that it? Because I really need to go [22:03] \o dutchie [22:03] Okay [22:03] \o [22:04] we got 25 or so detailed responses to the questions which we have put in a spreadsheet somewhere [22:04] in fact, yes we are not going to post that on the internet anywhere, but if you want it email me and I will send it to you [22:04] alanbell at ubuntu.com [22:05] it has names and emails removed but the answers might be a bit recognisable [22:05] well, if you know the people [22:05] how many were you looking to do? [22:05] which most people here don't [22:05] we're looking to do about 5 [22:06] each one with a different principal impairment, but some may have multiple issues [22:06] we were thinking to break down: blind, partially sighted, motor disability, learning disability... and something else that I'm missing [22:06] we want a mixture of ages and genders [22:06] deaf [22:07] motor disability might mean a wheelchair user, but actually in terms of computer use we are talking about manual dexterity, using mouse, keyboard and other pointing devices [22:09] so I think we need to start with making up their names and real basic information, then start to flesh out each one in turn [22:09] yeah [22:09] or each pick a different one to do [22:10] we'd still need names and basic info first to get a good mix, i should imagine [22:10] yes [22:10] ok, so who is here and interested in working on this? [22:10] o/ [22:10] o/ [22:10] o/ [22:10] michealH was [22:11] so that's 4 people [22:11] think we caught everyone on a quiet night [22:11] yeah [22:12] feel free to drag other people in on this dutchie [22:12] I'm also going to poke MichelleQ when I see her next because I think she was also interested [22:13] * dutchie tries to round up some ump-ers [22:13] that would be ideal [22:13] lets have a go at writing the high level info [22:13] how about using an etherpad or something? [22:14] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WkO4TZbvWt [22:17] one other thing, we want to make them somewhat successful and awesome people, not a recluse with no friends! [22:17] :) [22:20] but it is realistic to have all sorts of ages [22:21] Do you need to consider if these are from birth impairments, where the person will have greater skill in dealing with it, or accident / health induced impairments [22:21] Thingymebob: that would certainly go in the description [22:21] but it's not necessarily going to impact actual computer usage that much [22:22] (for example, I use a computer similarly to some of the people with CP I know, even though my mobility stuff showed up when i was 15ish rather than from birth) [22:22] Pendulum: what sort of ages were you thinking? [22:23] i'm trying to think [22:23] 30 +-10 seems to cover a lot of people in #ubuntu-uk and who were at UDS [22:24] i'd like to have one teen in there. would anyone mind if I moved Henrietta to 18 from 24? [22:24] go ahead [22:24] otherwise any other ages in the middle work for the last 2 :) [22:25] shall we scatter them around the globe? we've managed to pick english names for most of them, but they could be changed [22:25] makes sense to me [22:26] I think a bit more scattering perhaps, I put one in India [22:30] no Henrietta! [22:31] sorry [22:32] We can rename Sally. [22:32] if I get another chicken I will call it Daniela [22:32] :) [22:33] did the other alan manage to keep them all in one piece? [22:33] he did [22:33] \o/ [22:34] lol [22:34] that just leaves Faisal [22:35] not a call centre! [22:36] we could just make him a junior software engineer [22:37] yup, that works too [22:37] ah, didn't see teacher [22:37] looks good to me [22:38] * dutchie subscribes to the list [22:38] lesson plans to type up and so on [22:39] I am pretty pleased with how that worked out so far [22:40] yeah [22:41] ok, I think we have done enough for now (but feel free to carry on tweaking) [22:41] Pendulum: what do you think we should do next, schedule another session? [22:41] Sorry, I'm on dasher so am slow. [22:42] yeah, thought you might be :-( [22:42] AlanBell: either that or divvy up and each take on [22:43] 1 [22:43] I think working on it together works rather well, we could do a pad for each one and thrash it out, then transfer the results to the wiki or a nicely formatted document later [22:44] nice idea dutchie! [22:45] only if they're not all taken :) [22:46] wahey [22:48] right [22:49] just wondering when to have another session at it [22:51] so I think the thing to do next is to each tell a friend about the project, and show them the etherpad so far [22:52] we can schedule another hack hour on the documents in a day or two, via an email to the accessibilty list [22:57] thanks all o/ [23:05] sounds good to me :)