/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/07/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

RAOFMorning all.00:02
TheMusoHey RAOF.00:13
RAOFTheMuso: Good morning.00:13
TheMusoSo I upgarded my notebook intsall of maverick yesterday to latest packages, and the audio mute bug has gone away. :S00:14
TheMusogah typing00:14
RAOFYay?00:14
TheMusoYes, but still a pain, as I don't know what fixed it.00:14
RAOFI'll give my laptop a reboot after the upgrades install; I'll see if it's totally fixed here, too.00:15
* TheMuso might do an alpha 3 install, and update.00:15
TheMusoTO see whether the issue is 100% fixed.00:16
RAOFIt's a bit annoying that the dbgsym repository is behind the main archive.00:18
TheMusoOuch.00:20
RAOFThere go all my evolution debugging symbols! :)00:21
RAOFTheMuso: Volume came up muted this boot, so I don't think the bug has been fixed.01:54
TheMusoRAOF: gah!01:54
TheMusoIts a race condition, that much is for sure.01:55
TheMusoI believe crimsun_ has a more perminant fix in alsa-utils bzr.01:55
RAOFYay!01:55
TheMusoyup02:19
TheMusoHrm. Rebuilding even the current pulse package in maverick causes it to fail when run... Weird.03:42
TheMusoAnyway, that is to be solved afterwards.03:42
* TheMuso -> lunch03:42
TheMuso...or not. Got mixed up with versions.04:18
TheMusoNow to find the culpret patch...04:18
robert_ancelldesrt, hello06:26
robert_ancelldesrt, please have a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62893706:50
ubot2Gnome bug 628937 in gsettings "[patch] glib-compile-schemas fails when one schema/override is wrong" [Normal,Unconfirmed]06:51
didrocksgood morning07:59
and471hey didrocks08:00
didrockshey and471, how are you?08:02
and471didrocks, good thanks, but busy :)08:03
and471any you?08:03
and471And you?08:03
didrockssame here ;)08:03
slomoalf__: ping08:53
alf__slomo: Hi! Did you have any luck with cairo? It is strange that it doesn't build. I have successfully build packages in a PPA.08:53
slomoalf__: it's because of the autoreconf patch in combination with a weird bug in the cairo build system08:54
slomoif someone can explain to me how dh_autoreconf should be used i'll use that instead ;)08:54
alf__slomo: dh --with autoreconf08:55
slomoi'm using old-style debhelper :)08:56
slomojust call dh_autoreconf somewhere and that's it?08:56
didrocksslomo: hey, re: gst-plugins-bad-multiverse I can reproduce your issue in xvid in my pbuilder. I tracked down to the issue about the xvid_encore configuration is due to http://paste.ubuntu.com/489652/08:56
didrocksslomo: yeah, dh_autoreconf for dh5 :)08:57
slomoand dh_autoreconf_clean in clean08:57
alf__slomo: call dh_autoreconf prior to dh_auto_configure and will call dh_autoreconf_clean before dh_clean08:57
slomodidrocks: do you have conftest.c? :)08:57
alf__slomo: oops, thats for 7 again08:57
slomook, let's hope this works then :)08:57
didrocksslomo: yeah, I backed up somewhere, one second :)08:57
didrocksurgh, I've set in a directory cleaned on reboot, let me regenerate it08:58
didrocks(will take some time, can't use tmpfs there: too many packages ;))08:59
slomoalf__: how can i have the ltmain.sh patch *and* dh_autoreconf? manual patching?08:59
alf__slomo: I can't think of another way09:02
slomostupid libtool :)09:02
alf__didrocks: ^^ any idea?09:02
didrockshum?09:02
didrocksoh, about ltmain.sh09:03
seb128hey09:03
didrocksyeah, ltmain.sh is still manual patching in most of packages where we use dh-autoreconf09:03
didrockssalut seb12809:03
slomodidrocks: a bit annoying with 3.0 (quilt) but ok :P09:03
didrocksslomo: yeah :/09:03
seb128speaking about ltmain.sh changes for as-needed?09:04
slomoseb128: yes09:04
seb128why do we need those? how come upstream don't get a fixed version?09:04
vishkiwinote: hi , any idea why the fix for Bug #624072 dint work?  setting the menu to NoDisplay=True dint help ..09:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 624072 in software-properties (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Hide 'Software Sources' from the System > Administration menu (affects: 1) (heat: 354)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62407209:04
slomoseb128: is this fixed upstream?09:04
slomoseb128: also... i'm using dh-autoreconf now! :)09:05
seb128slomo, dunno that's what I'm asking, why does it not get fixed upstream?09:05
seb128slomo, nice ;-)09:05
seb128is the debian version fixed?09:05
seb128in any case the ltmain.sh changes are useless09:05
seb128if you use autoreconf at build time09:06
didrocksseb128: just a little bit of context: it's about cairo vs alf__'s patch if I understand correctly09:06
seb128the ltmain.sh will be replaced by the autos run09:06
seb128the unpatching will break as well most likely09:06
seb128since the patched file is overwritten unpatching doesn't work09:06
kiwinotevish: it looks like it needs to be 'true' rather than 'True'09:07
slomoseb128: well, i can patch and unpatch that one after dh_autoreconf and before dh_autoreconf_clean ;)09:07
kiwinotevish: if you could test that hypothesis, that would be great09:07
vishah!09:07
* vish tries09:07
slomodidrocks: most likely there's an include missing in the xvid configure check and should be easy to fix... do you want your first gstreamer commit? :)09:07
seb128slomo, it would be so easier to have the system ltmain.sh being correct so you would not need anything09:07
slomosure, if you can convince libtool upstream :)09:08
didrocksslomo: heh, why not ;) let me first show you the conftest.c (once generated, pbuilder… slow ;))09:09
seb128slomo, well if we can't we should at least be able to patch the debian package no?09:09
seb128slomo, when we run autoreconf at build time we do it with the debian version09:09
seb128so if that one was fixed there would be no issue09:10
vishkiwinote: bingo! awesome! :)09:10
vishkiwinote: thanks..09:10
kiwinotevish: yw09:10
slomoseb128: joss tried this at least once and there's a bug against libtool in debian for that09:11
didrocksslomo: here is the conftest.c for xvid_encore: http://pastebin.com/s2vKdLYY09:14
slomodidrocks: is it still complaining about line 78?09:15
didrocksslomo: hum, not this time, undefined reference. I prefer that :)09:16
didrocks(when linking)09:16
didrockslet me check in the lib09:16
slomothat's from AC_CHECK_LIB btw09:16
Laneyplease NEW gkeyfile-sharp (should be™ the last one)09:16
slomodidrocks: heh, if you xvid doesn't have that symbol it can't encode :P09:17
didrocksslomo: it has (http://paste.ubuntu.com/489658/). I have to check again what U means, in any case09:18
didrocks"U" The symbol is undefined.09:19
didrockshum, I don't understand how it can be printed if it's undefined TBH ;)09:19
didrocksbut yeah, probably an issue in that library so09:19
slomoit means that it's not in this library09:20
slomowhat you want is a T there09:20
slomothings like malloc, etc will also have an U09:20
didrocksbut it's still printing its name, knowing that it can be?09:20
didrocksoh, ok09:20
slomoalf__: works now09:21
seb128brb09:21
alf__slomo: Great, thanks a million!09:28
slomoalf__: uploaded09:32
slomoalf__: please get the packaging from git though, it has to wait on NEW for some time unfortunately ;)09:32
alf__slomo: np :)09:32
seb128re09:41
LaneyI got a conffile prompt for /etc/gnome/defaults.list09:41
Laneywhich I've never changed09:41
Laneyoh maybe I have, sorry09:41
huatsmorning09:41
seb128hey huats Laney09:42
huatshello seb12809:42
seb128does somebody else got external screen not activating on dock stations for a week or so ?09:42
Laneyhiya seb12809:42
kiwinoteseb128: hey09:44
kiwinoteseb128: the s-c desktop file is  called ubuntu-software-center.desktop rather than software-center.desktop09:44
kiwinoteseb128: do you mind updating desktop-file-utils to reflect this correctly?09:44
seb128will do09:45
kiwinotethanks09:45
didrocksslomo: hum, that's weird, our xvidcore has to configure round. The second one disabling pthread support (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49716936/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.xvidcore_2%3A1.2.2%2Bdebian-1ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz)09:47
didrocksslomo: the only difference we have with the marillat version is merging README :/09:48
didrocks(from the changelog, at least)09:48
didrocksand I see nothing specical in debian/rules09:48
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kiwinotemvo: hi10:25
mvohey kiwinote10:26
kiwinotemvo: do you mind reviewing lp:~kiwinote/python-apt/reinstall-same-file10:26
kiwinotemvo: it should allow gdebi and s-c to reinstall deb files again, which was a regression wrt lucid10:26
mvokiwinote: thanks, will do10:26
vuntzcan anybody confirm https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628919 on ubuntu?10:41
ubot2Gnome bug 628919 in gnome-about "gnome-about crashed with KeyError in make_info_label()" [Critical,Unconfirmed]10:41
seb128hey vuntz10:42
seb128it's probably a buggy translation10:42
vuntzoh10:42
vuntzright10:42
seb128mvo, bug #632292 btw10:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 632292 in software-center (Ubuntu) "switch to the installed applications view when opening a deb (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63229210:52
mvothanks seb12810:54
seb128thank *you* ;-)10:54
seb128vuntz, btw how do you build the gnome-panel applets in opensuse?11:27
seb128using different binaries or .so?11:27
vuntzseb128: .so11:31
seb128vuntz, ok thanks11:31
seb128we should do that again ;-)11:31
vuntzseb128: well, binaries make sense during development, though11:33
seb128right, but we are after beta now11:34
seb128we forgot to change back in lucid and people complain quite a lot about it ;-)11:34
chrisccoulsonwow, i've not updated for a while. lots of packages to update now :/12:08
ftaif i want one of my apps to emit notifications, what should i use? libindicate?12:12
ograchrisccoulson, stop uploading all these packages !!!12:15
chrisccoulsonogra - which packages?12:15
ograthe ones that dont fail to build and make it into the archive12:15
ograthen we wont have all these updates all the time12:15
ogra;)12:15
chrisccoulsonheh :)12:16
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chrisccoulsonfta - probably libnotify12:16
chrisccoulsonthe builders are looking fairly underused. i should upload something big to keep them occupied....12:17
Laneydidrocks: banshee built12:22
Laneyfinally!12:22
didrocksLaney: great! will test there. unfortunatly, as the OMGUbuntu guy is away for calling from testing, not sure about the timeline for inclusion by default in UNE (seems to be really late) :/12:22
Laneydnielsen has been around12:23
didrocksoh right12:24
Laneydunno, I obviously think you should do it, but that's up to you!12:24
didrocksLaney: well, I'm not alone on that decision (there is the aa, and the release team)12:24
didrocksLaney: in any case, let's make the call for testing first12:25
Laneysure12:25
ftachrisccoulson, oh, i see. thanks12:37
ftachrisccoulson, damned, it needs gdk + gtk dev, too heavy for my small agent12:38
ftachrisccoulson, i guess i'll have to cheat and dlopen libnotify directly12:38
chrisccoulsonfta - you could use raw dbus calls too12:39
devildantemvo, around?12:40
mvohey devildante12:40
mvodevildante: good afternoon :)12:40
devildantegood morning :p12:40
devildantemvo, can you merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-properties/hide-desktop-file/+merge/34740 again, please?12:41
mvodevildante: sure, what happend to it?12:41
ftachrisccoulson, ideally, i want to have my own menu in the app indicator.. but i'm not sure where to start with that, can't find any docs12:41
devildantemvo, I changed the .desktop file to really hide it from the menu12:42
devildantemvo, if you go to the GNOME menu right now, it isn't hidden12:42
mvodevildante: aha, ok. thanks :)12:42
mvodevildante: funny that its case-sensitive12:43
devildantemvo, yeah... maybe that could be a GNOME bug? :p12:43
devildantethanks for the merge, mvo :)13:10
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mvodevildante: cheeers13:13
ronocbl8: hey, just getting around to looking at the name issue with banshee13:13
devildante;)13:13
ronocbl8:  the version in maverick is only 1.7.313:13
* devildante will go to school ; see ya after a while ;)13:13
ronocis there a newer version coming anytime soon ?13:13
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ronocbl8: back shortly13:17
didrockschrisccoulson: hey13:33
didrockschrisccoulson: default offline firefox startpage is still saying "Welcome to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS". known bug?13:34
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chrisccoulsondidrocks - that's an issue with ubuntu-docs i think13:34
* didrocks checks for a bug report13:34
didrocksweird, no bug report on it13:35
didrocksjust the "no image, no style one"13:36
didrockschrisccoulson: do you think I should add to that one ? ^13:36
chrisccoulsondidrocks - it's probably best to report another bug for that13:36
didrocks(bug #531882)13:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 531882 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Default Home Page without style or images on offline mode (affects: 1) (heat: 20)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53188213:36
didrocksok, adding a new one13:36
chrisccoulsonthanks13:36
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure who's working on that though13:37
didrocksnot sure someone is working on that :)13:37
didrockswell, in any case, that page is in English and we change it for the French respin :p13:37
seb128mvo, bug #63167513:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 631675 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Untranslated strings at update-manager (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63167513:39
seb128mvo, you probably want to have it on your maverick list13:39
mvoseb128: thanks, added13:46
seb128mvo, thank you13:46
seb128nessita, hey13:48
* mvo hugs kiwinote13:48
nessitahello everybody, seb12813:49
seb128nessita, how are you?13:49
mvodevildante[schoo: are you keen to look at bug #631675 ?13:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 631675 in update-manager (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Untranslated strings at update-manager (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63167513:49
mvohey nessita :)13:49
nessitapretty good, a bit sleepy but some mate will help in that field13:50
nessitahey mvo!13:50
nessitaseb128: how about you?13:50
seb128nessita, do you know if the ubuntuone-preferences second tab using "<local machine>" as a name is a bug?13:51
seb128shouldn't it use the actual name?13:51
seb128nessita, I'm fine thanks ;-)13:51
seb128quite busy bugging other people about their bugs :p13:51
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nessitaseb128: I agree it looks awful, but I'm not sure why <local machine> is being displayed. We should ask dobey, he built the ubuntuone-preferences13:53
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seb128nessita, ok13:53
ftachrisccoulson, do you have some experience with libnotify? i have 2 notifications sent with a 2 sec interval, and 3 sec timeout, i want the 2nd notif to be merged into the 1st as it's still visible, any idea how i can do that?13:53
kenvandinefta, do they have the same title?13:55
kenvandineyou need to set the append hint13:55
kiwinotemvo: thanks for the merge! s-c trunk, the python-apt changes (my reinstalling the same pkg and your encoding one) and the desktop-file utils change should make the deb handling nice and robust now :)13:56
mvokiwinote: yeah :)13:58
kiwinotemvo: the only remaining issue I have is that the error message for deb files is down in the description field (ie hard to notice), but that was on mpt's recommendation, so I'll assume that it is noticeable..13:58
kiwinoteI suppose the install button is disabled, so in that sense it's ok13:59
ftakenvandine, where are those hints described? i can't find any in /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/libnotify/libnotify-notification.html14:00
seb128mvo, when do you plan to do an upload?14:01
mvokiwinote: ok14:02
mvoseb128: soon, why?14:02
seb128mvo, I'm wanting to test the changes ;-)14:03
seb128mvo, but I'm lazy to get them from the vcs14:03
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mvoseb128: lol14:03
mvoseb128: ok ;)14:03
kenvandinehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Merging%20notifications14:04
kenvandinefta, ^^14:04
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dobeynessita: "<LOCAL MACHINE>" is displayed when the preferences is unable to read the user's machine list from the server14:07
dobeynessita: or if said list is empty14:07
nessitadobey: and why, for example, would be unable to read? I have 2 machines and I always got the "local machine" string14:08
ftakenvandine, hmm.. it doesn't say how this could be done, just what it should do14:08
kenvandineone sec14:08
dobeynessita: you have two machines listed in SSO? or on https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/ ?14:09
kenvandinehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines#How%20to%20use%20the%20append-hint14:09
kenvandinefta, ^^14:10
nessitadobey: now my account is a bit broken, but I'm talking about before SSO integration14:11
nessitadobey: at that point I had 2 machines both listed on https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/14:11
mvoseb128: uploaded14:12
dobeynessita: does preferences show your name/quota information correctly still?14:12
nessitadobey: at that point, yes\14:12
dobeynessita: are those 2 machines *still* listed there?14:12
seb128mvo, thanks14:13
dobeynessita: check the u1-prefs.log for errors?14:15
nessitadobey: I'll do it when I have a working client again14:16
seb128ronoc, not sure you got a reply to your question before but banshee 1.7.5 was uploaded yesterday14:22
ftakenvandine, thanks, it worked great :)14:23
kenvandinefta, np!14:26
kenvandine:)14:26
* didrocks hates gconf + python14:27
seb128didrocks, why, because in C it's nicer?14:29
didrocksseb128: not really, but it caches behind my the result to the client14:29
didrocksseb128: and I can't force it to dump to the FS14:29
didrocksI'm partially interested to do that *before* my python script ends14:30
didrocks(for instance)14:30
seb128it's gconf doing that14:30
seb128send a sighup to the daemon14:30
seb128no?14:30
didrocks(it's written it's cached client side, I try to unlog and relog, didn't get anything)14:31
didrockslet's see sending sighup14:31
didrocksnothing…14:31
didrocksso it's really client side14:31
rodrigo_dobey, can you package and upload https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/trunk/1.4.0 please?14:33
dobeysure14:36
ronocseb128: thx14:39
ftakenvandine, another question. when i have a notification from another app (like evo), can i force mine to be displayed below immediately (instead of having to wait 5sec or more)?14:52
kenvandinefta, not sure off hand14:53
kenvandinelook at that wiki page for priorities14:53
kenvandineyou can raise the priority of a notification14:53
kenvandineand urgency i think14:53
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seb128re15:25
chrisccoulsonconnection problems seb128?15:26
chrisccoulson;)15:26
kenvandineseb128, meeting today?15:26
seb128chrisccoulson, yes15:26
seb128kenvandine, yes, I'm about to send the reminder, got busy on other things15:26
kenvandinethx :)15:26
kenvandinei just noticed the wiki page wasn't there yet15:26
kenvandinei am heading out for an early lunch, bbiab15:26
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kiwinotemvo: in s-c 2.1.16 the pathbar change introduced a regression (browse to any app with a screenshot)15:44
kiwinotemvo: can you confirm the regression and test the fix in my branch?15:44
mvokiwinote: hm, I don't have the breakage, what does it look like15:51
mvokiwinote: the fix looks ok though15:51
kiwinotemvo: the breakage that I was fixing is that the end cap of the first pathbar element is drawn as ]> rather than just >15:53
jcastrocassidy: I'd like to have a telepathy session for our Application Developer Week. Something like "How to use telepathy in your app" or something. Do you know if any of you might be interested? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable15:53
cassidyjcastro, I'd say to send a mail on the TP mailing list15:54
jcastrorock15:54
kiwinotemvo: with s-c 2.1.16 however s-c seems to get into an infinite loop and grind to a halt when navigating eg  get software > office > abiword15:55
mvokiwinote: I can reproduce it only on one of my two machines, maybe its a timing issue15:58
kiwinotemvo: hm, that could be the case15:59
mvokiwinote: but fix is fine, thanks! I upload the new package now16:00
kiwinotemvo: ok, thanks a lot16:00
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desrttedg: hey?16:20
tedgdesrt, Hey, I'm in a meeting :(  Can I grab you in a bit?16:21
desrti just wanted an up/down on your coming to the hackfest16:21
desrtwe're trying to finalise the list16:21
tedgdesrt, k, I'm pretty sure yes, let me verify.16:23
seb128bah, I hate launchpad being slow16:23
desrttedg: poke me when you're sure, but we'll count you as a probably for now16:24
seb128sorry for the duplicated meeting reminder16:24
seb128desrt, hey16:24
desrtseb128: hello16:24
seb128desrt, the usecase to overwrite keys not installed is to make distro defaults for example16:24
seb128desrt, ie ubuntu-artwork set empathy keys16:24
desrtseb128: ya.  i understand that.16:25
seb128desrt, but some users uninstall empathy16:25
desrtit's not *so* weird16:25
seb128desrt, we can't go and distro patch every source to set key overwrites, that wouldn't work for ie derivates16:25
desrtmy vision was that the overrides file would always be shipped in the same package16:25
seb128desrt, you can't16:25
desrtlike you'd toss empathy overrides in the empathy package16:25
seb128desrt, xubuntu might change the theme over ubuntu16:25
seb128but they don't have a different empathy source16:25
desrtthat's true, i suppose.16:25
desrtalthough it's starting to seem quite odd :)16:26
seb128why?16:26
seb128think wallpaper if you want16:26
desrtmeh.  it's just not what i had in mind16:26
seb128let's say your company install ubuntu and want to change the default icons16:26
desrtbut if you tell me there is a use case here then there is no point in me standing in your way16:26
seb128you would just add a desrt-artwork binary16:26
desrtseb128: ahah.  vendors vs. admins.16:26
seb128which override some keys16:26
desrti would actually set the default dconf settings16:26
seb128how do you deploy that?16:27
desrtyou drop some files into /etc/dconf/dbs/defaults.d/....16:27
desrtand you run 'dconf update'16:27
seb128should we do that rather than use overrides?16:27
desrti'm not sure.16:27
seb128can we set a default for keys not available?16:27
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seb128it's still the same issue...16:27
desrtyes.  definitely.16:27
desrtdconf has no particular structure16:28
seb128you might want a different logo in ubuntu and xubuntu16:28
desrtyou can do anything you like16:28
desrtwell, didrocks was talking to me about this issue16:28
desrtand in fact he had even higher requirements16:28
desrtthat the defaults can be changed by an environment variable or something16:28
desrtso if you log in to one session type, you have one set of defaults16:28
desrtin another session type, another16:28
didrocksyeah, like what we do today with gconf16:29
desrtfor something like this, obviously vendor overrides are totally unworkable16:29
desrtbecause of their static nature16:29
didrocks(hey desrt btw ;))16:29
desrtdidrocks: hey :)16:29
desrtshame we couldn't meet in paris16:29
desrti blame rick16:29
didrocksright :/ we'll see at UDS at least!16:29
desrthe was supposed to come, but mark's plane was too slow16:30
didrockssure, it's all because of him :-)16:30
didrocksdesrt: coming back to gsetting/dconf. yeah, we will really need that soon.16:30
desrtyou already have it, actually16:30
didrocksok, just need a recipe then. I didn't have the time to have a proper look at it16:30
didrocks(and yes, I know, it's a shame :))16:30
desrtya.  i have a bad habbit of not writing docs :)16:31
seb128desrt, so back to the issue, it seems just broken than a buggy override crashes your complete desktop16:31
desrtbasically the way it works is that you write a 'profile' file in /etc/dconf/profiles/....16:31
seb128desrt, it means no schemas was working so any gsettings software just crashed16:31
desrtlisting the stacking order of the databases16:31
desrtthen you set DCONF_PROFILE environment variable16:31
desrtpretty easy16:31
desrtseb128: yes.  i think we've talked about this before.16:32
desrtmy biggest concern was that due to the nature of the parser it was very difficult to back out of changes16:32
desrt(ie: discard a partial .schema file if we discover that the schema file is broken)16:32
desrtsince then there have been two major changes in the parser that make this a lot easier to deal with16:32
desrtand i like to believe that robert's patch actually succeeds here16:32
desrtso i will definitely have a look16:33
nessitakenvandine: hello! would you have some minutes for a packaging question?16:33
seb128desrt, he uploaded his patch to maverick btw16:33
desrtyou fucking canonical assholes!16:33
desrt:p16:33
seb128nessita, just ask on the channel other people can reply this way16:33
seb128desrt, that's the spirit ;-)16:34
* desrt is learning to be a good upstream :)16:34
nessitaseb128: right :-)16:34
seb128desrt, btw do you know if any recent glib change broke gvfs?16:34
desrti don't know of anything that would have16:35
seb128desrt, we started getting bugs about gvfsd-smb eating cpu and not working since yesterday16:35
seb128since gvfs didn't change it's something else16:35
desrthmm.16:35
seb128I was thinking maybe glib...16:35
desrtdid you try rebuilding?16:35
seb128gnome-keyring didn't change either16:35
seb128no16:35
desrtof course there have been some API breaks16:35
seb128why a rebuild would make any difference?16:35
desrtnot aware of any that would really matter, though16:36
seb128like gdbus?16:36
desrtyes16:36
seb128I will try a rebuild16:36
desrtfilters changed again16:36
desrtbut i'd be surprised if they were using it16:36
seb128I was just asking before starting to investigate in case that was a known issue16:36
desrtand i think the change was ABI compatible (but not API)16:36
nessitaanyone: I'm building a new version of the package ubuntu-sso-client, and until the last version, we were deploying some conf files on /etc/xdg. Those conf files are no longer needed and I removed them from setup.py. But when I'm installing the new package to test it, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489878/16:36
seb128desrt, ok, cf #nautilus16:40
seb128nessita, http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling16:40
nessitaseb128: thanks!16:40
seb128nessita, np16:40
LaserJockdidrocks: jcastro tells me you may want logs from a crashing banshee, is that right?16:45
didrocksLaserJock: sure, can we move the discussion to #banshee on gimp.net? (upstream is there too)16:45
LaneyLaserJock: can you try 'cp /usr/lib/gio-sharp/gio-sharp.dll.config /usr/lib/banshee-1/Backends/'17:26
seb128hey everybody17:29
didrockshey seb12817:29
seb128chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine, Riddell, tremolux: hi17:30
seb128time for the meeting ;-)17:30
seb128https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-09-0717:30
tremoluxseb128: hi!17:30
Riddellhi17:30
seb128sorry about the duplicate email, don't click several time on launchpad when it doesn't seem to respond ;-)17:30
chrisccoulsonhi!17:30
seb128hey pedro_17:31
pedro_hello!17:31
pedro_seb128, i've edited the wiki as talked the previous week17:31
seb128nice17:31
pedro_to put some bugs we should be aware of17:31
seb128so let's get started17:31
* kenvandine waves17:31
seb128outstanding actions17:31
seb128didrocks, hey17:32
seb128you had an action item for banshee?17:32
didrocksseb128: oh really? didn't see that :-)17:32
didrocksbut made the action17:32
didrocksit was part of the UNE update, but well17:32
seb128yeah, I forgot to put it on the wiki17:32
seb128it doesn't mean I forgot about it :p17:32
seb128ok, so let's do that during the UNE update17:33
didrocks Well, a lot of work with #debian-cli guys on banshee.17:33
* chrisccoulson looks at wiki for bugs17:33
seb128coming back to you in a bit17:33
seb128kenvandine, hey17:33
didrocksok :)17:33
seb128kenvandine, partner update?17:33
kenvandinesure17:33
seb128tell us they will fix all our bugs and not ask for any exception ;-)17:33
kenvandinehehe17:33
kenvandineU117:34
kenvandineDesktop SSO problems seems to be working now, specifically bug 628118 is fixed17:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 628118 in ubuntuone-servers "OAuth tokens are not added to Ubuntu One after /sso-finished-so-get-tokens/ (affects: 13) (heat: 72)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62811817:34
kenvandineMusic Store also seems to be working well again,  bug 572381 is now fixed17:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 572381 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu One Store not showing (dup-of: 624616)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57238117:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 624616 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store without icon (affects: 9) (dups: 3) (heat: 46)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62461617:34
kenvandinedesktopcouch still has some problems, it will now push changes to the service but won't pull changes down bug 58553017:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 585530 in ubuntuone-servers "Desktopcouch Replication is disabled - evolution contacts and bookmarks are not syncing (affects: 114) (dups: 9) (heat: 652)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58553017:34
kenvandineThey are hopefull this will be resolved by the end of the week17:34
kenvandinedesktopcouch pairing is broken, needs to be fixed to work properly with desktop SSO  bug 62909517:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 629095 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Ubuntu One pairing code needs to be added (affects: 2) (heat: 876)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62909517:34
seb128I've read that before :-(17:34
kenvandineyeah... i know :/17:35
kenvandinethe local pairing stuff in desktopcouch seems to have been bit by the transition to desktop sso17:35
kenvandinequestions/comments about U1 stuff?17:35
seb128do we have anything relying on desktopcouch right now?17:35
seb128or on the pairing to work?17:36
kenvandinei don't think so actually17:36
kenvandinei think we could drop it from the CD17:36
seb128ok, so it's annoying to promote it but not so much an issue for the default installation17:36
seb128let's not do CD changes now ;-)17:36
kenvandineas long as it doesn't get removed on upgrade, we need it to migrate users for gwibber17:37
seb128but we will discuss it at UDS if those issues are not sorted by then17:37
kenvandineseb128, indeed :)17:37
kenvandineon to DX17:37
kenvandineConcerned about a current nautilus crasher - bug 62153617:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 621536 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_set() (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62153617:37
kenvandineWorking on unity performance related bugs, memory leaks, etc17:37
kenvandineDesktop menu for appmenu should get uploaded this week17:38
kenvandinethey do have some FFEs17:38
kenvandinehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus#Freeze%2520Exceptions%2520Requests17:38
kenvandineany questions? comments?17:39
seb128nice summary17:39
Riddellkenvandine: have you had any indication about when the font is going to go in the archive?17:39
seb128kenvandine, thanks17:39
kenvandineRiddell, i haven't heard anything17:39
Riddellbug 629622 suggests it is but so far no actual movement to get it in17:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 629622 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "MIR+FFE: Inclusion of Ubuntu Font Family ~0.7 in Maverick (10.10) (affects: 6) (heat: 50)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62962217:40
seb128is it still schedule for this cycle?17:40
kenvandinei'll check on that17:40
kenvandineseb128, i don't think so17:40
kenvandinebut i'll confirm17:40
Riddellseb128: possibly, from Mark's comments17:40
seb128hum17:40
seb128yeah, I was just reading that17:40
seb128though cf comment #1817:41
seb128ok17:42
seb128anything else for kenvandine?17:42
kenvandinenope17:42
kenvandinethx17:42
seb128thanks kenvandine17:42
seb128Riddell, hey, kubuntu update?17:42
Riddellhere it is..17:43
Riddell * http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 19 milestoned bugs, the most notable ones are installer bugs17:43
Riddell * beta release made, major installer problems fixed although still a few big issues to go, hugs to ev17:43
Riddell * KDE SC 4.5.1 uploaded and built except on ARM17:43
Riddell * KDE SC 4.5.2 due October 5th, so I don't except it to be in final17:43
Riddell * kubuntu mobile image successfully made for beta, but the mobile workspace itself didn't actually work, so some fixes to be done there17:43
Riddell * lucid -> maverick upgrades working good, maverick -> natty upgrades working good too (anyone else on natty yet?)17:43
seb128is natty open?17:44
Riddell no, I had to set it up locally to test17:44
seb128usually they only set the builders etc after release no?17:44
seb128ok ;-)17:44
seb128thanks Riddell17:46
seb128does anybody has kubuntu questions?17:46
seb128seems not17:47
seb128thanks17:47
seb128didrocks, hey, UNE update?17:47
seb128I need to reorder the wiki template ;-)17:47
didrocksNew unity this week. Some people have some crashes from unity-place-applications. It has been fixed in trunk. Will try to get a backport soon.17:47
didrocksAlso, just fixed in trunk is the support for XDG \o/ That means that people will soon be able to play with evolution express on netbook really soon17:47
didrocksWe triaged for some hours with davidb all the bug report to unity. We set important one to this week release (and some early next week).17:48
didrockse have a lot of small issues (and few big one like memleaks) but all should be in shape for maverick (fingers crossed) to get a rocking unity for maverick17:48
didrocksFull bug list there: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/2010-09-0917:48
didrockshat else on the shiny netbook world? Well, a lot of work with #debian-cli guys on banshee. banshee 1.7.7 is just out17:49
didrocks1.7.5*17:49
didrockswe have a crash right now at start but it's beeing working on. A call for testing on OMGUbuntu has been coordinated (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/an-urgent-call-for-testing-banshee-1-7-5-on-maverick).17:49
didrocksthis version gives the udev backend needed for removing HAL17:49
didrocksWe will see how it goes, but it seems really late for banshee to be the default in UNE maverick, despite all its goodness like the netbook ui.17:49
Laneyfixed & uploading17:50
didrocksyou see, #debian-cli guys are awesome! :)17:50
seb128yeah17:50
seb128still it's very late for changing the default17:51
seb128especially to new code17:51
didrocksI have the same feeling17:51
seb128what is your opinion on that?17:51
seb128did you get any feedback on the music store in banshee?17:51
didrocksnot yet, it's just *just* out. I need to have a proper test once I get the fix17:51
didrocks(for the crash at startup)17:52
seb128you probably have a better understanding of the benefit of the UI for small screens17:52
didrocksI really think the UI is way better, rhythmbox is hard to use on netbooks17:52
seb128how does it work with the sound indicator?17:52
Laneynot yet, hyperair is doing that plugin now17:53
didrocksit has the mpris support, I don't know if V2 is there17:53
seb128seems lot still need to be tested and they still don't have a stable version17:53
seb128I would vote to delay it by default to next cycle17:53
seb128the hard freeze is in a week17:53
seb128what do you think?17:53
didrockswe can switch at least really early in the natty cycle17:53
seb128it seems not likely that first codedrop is bugless17:53
didrocksswitch*17:53
didrocksand there is still the CD space issue, we don't really know what will happen on that side17:54
didrocks(for what I tested, we should be safe, but we never know)17:54
didrocksso, I'll play it safe, let's see maybe the feedback until tomorrow?17:54
didrocksand take a decision there?17:54
kenvandinei can test it today17:55
didrockskenvandine: the issue is the external devices support (udev backend), it changed a lot and we need a lot of feedbacks on many hardware17:55
kenvandineyeah... i have a couple devices i can test with17:55
didrocksjcastro: you maybe want some inputs there?17:55
seb128ok17:56
* bcurtiswx will test as well17:56
seb128let's keep going17:56
seb128we can discuss it during the week based on the testing feedback17:56
didrockssure17:56
seb128but it seems late, it's code rewrite, changes to the default installation and CD use17:56
seb128the indicator needs to work17:56
seb128the store needs to be tested17:56
seb128etc17:56
didrocksright17:57
seb128in any case the work will be available in universe for users17:57
seb128thanks didrocks17:57
seb128does anybody has questions for Didier?17:57
didrocksyou're welcome :)17:57
jcastrodidrocks: my only input is that we've waited this long, it'd be a shame to ship something not-quite ready by default. I say ship it in N for both editions, rock solid style.17:57
seb128jcastro, banshee on desktop?17:57
* kenvandine high fives jcastro17:58
jcastroseb128: that's a discussion for UDS!17:58
seb128jcastro, an uds without that discussion wouldn't be uds ;-)17:58
pedro_lol17:58
kenvandine:)17:58
* didrocks files the blueprint already :-)17:58
* kenvandine hasn't used banshee in a while... seems weird :)17:58
jcastrono seriously, if you weren't convinced at guadec then I give up.17:58
seb128and we all know how those discussions go17:58
seb128;-)17:58
jcastroheh17:58
seb128ok, let's move on17:58
seb128thanks didrocks17:58
kenvandinei bet this time seb128 will be preaching why we should switch :)17:59
seb128tremolux, hey, software-center update?17:59
didrocksthanks seb128 :-)17:59
tremoluxyep17:59
tremoluxBuy Something: software-center-agent and payments service live now, continue testing and bug fixing17:59
tremoluxNew Apps: extras.ubuntu.com and corresponding sync from app-review-board PPA not yet implemented17:59
tremoluxMisc: Lots of bug fixes and performance improvements this week, continued focus on quality/performance17:59
seb128tremolux, nice to see you fixed that loading view having no feedback bug ;-)18:00
tremoluxhaha, yes  :)  thanks for the suggestion18:00
tremoluxit's much nicer now18:00
seb128extras.ubuntu.com... is anybody following with IS on that?18:01
seb128do you still think we have time? hard freeze is next week18:01
tremoluxwe do still have time, but we have to watch this closely now18:01
seb128ok18:01
tremoluxI missed the call yesterday, but I will check on that18:01
seb128thanks18:01
seb128I will check with rick when he's back18:01
tremoluxthanks seb12818:01
tremoluxwhen is he back?18:02
seb128he's probably in a better position to get IS changes done if required18:02
tremoluxright, middle of week he's back..18:02
seb128I need to check18:02
seb128he's on vac until wednesday I think18:02
seb128but I don't know if that's included or not18:02
seb128thanks tremolux18:03
seb128questions for tremolux?18:03
tremoluxsure, thanks18:03
seb128thanks tremolux18:04
seb128pedro_, hey18:04
pedro_hello!18:04
seb128pedro_, bugs status? ;-)18:04
pedro_so i have some bugs to share again18:04
pedro_bug 60985518:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 609855 in totem (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Totem unable to play youtube videos (affects: 14) (dups: 1) (heat: 88)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60985518:04
pedro_that's fixed upstream but according to the upstream developers we need to change the ranking of the gstreamer elements18:05
seb128is that an issue in maverick or only lucid?18:05
pedro_in order to use giosrc rather than souphttpsrc18:05
pedro_it's an issue on maverick as well18:05
pedro_youtube is broken in both right now18:05
seb128I got it to work sometime in maverick18:05
seb128I will check with slomo if he knows about it18:06
pedro_cool! thanks18:06
pedro_bug 63173018:06
seb128do you think you could check with upstream about the sink ranking change?18:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 631730 in brasero (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "brasero crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_is_trusted() (affects: 19) (dups: 2) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63173018:06
seb128it seems not really clear why and how to do that18:06
pedro_seb128, i'll check with pwithnall18:06
seb128I'm a bit nervous changing ranking only for totem youtube18:06
seb128thanks18:06
seb128seems the brasero one is upstreamed18:07
pedro_so that previous bug, brasero is a bit broken18:07
seb128I've assigned to robert_ancell on our side as well18:07
pedro_we're having more than 20 users affected since yesterday on that18:07
pedro_just press 'burn' and it will crash18:07
seb128I'm wondering if that's a desrt bug18:07
seb128it crashes in gvariant code ;-)18:07
pedro_i was wondering the same because it says gvariant18:08
pedro_heh18:08
pedro_the other bug is, bug 55183118:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 551831 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "bluetooth-applet crashed with SIGSEGV (affects: 107) (dups: 15) (heat: 466)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55183118:08
pedro_we're still getting duplicates there18:08
pedro_would be nice if someone could have a look18:08
seb128seems that one is not new and a bit weird18:08
pedro_yeah18:09
seb128we could perhaps get brastche to tell us if he can spot something18:09
pedro_that'd be great18:09
seb128I doubt we will that one tracked for maverick though18:09
pedro_well if it gets fixed after the release we can get an SRU for it18:09
seb128right18:10
seb128next one?18:10
pedro_bug 58904718:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 589047 in gstreamer0.10 (Ubuntu) "gst-plugin-scanner crashed with KeyError in <module>() (affects: 128) (dups: 19) (heat: 632)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58904718:10
pedro_is also getting new duplicates18:10
seb128could you upstream that one?18:10
seb128I've seen this one locally18:10
seb128I'm not sure if it's an issue over apport noise though18:10
pedro_yeah it was affecting me a few ago and now it's back18:10
seb128I will check with slomo as well later18:10
pedro_ok cool18:11
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seb128the 2 remaining ones are gvfs issues due to the libgconf port to gdbus18:11
pedro_and the next is bug 631740 and bug 63196018:11
seb128I think they are the same issue18:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 631740 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Dbus error when clicking network icon in nautilus (affects: 7) (dups: 2) (heat: 46)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63174018:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 631960 in gvfs (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Connecting to smb mount fails - gvfsd-smb just eats CPU (affects: 10) (dups: 4) (heat: 64)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63196018:11
seb128I was chatting with desrt and #nautilus guys about it today18:11
seb128tzbatek said it would be fixed in git tomorrow18:11
pedro_cool! nice to know that's being tracked already18:11
pedro_those are the ones hitting more users recently18:12
seb128ok18:12
pedro_that's all from here on that seb128 unless there's a question/comment18:12
seb128retracers are still broken...18:12
pedro_:-(18:12
seb128the python dupchecking ran yesterday18:12
seb128they workarounded the bug which broke reading for crash files18:13
seb128but now we hit a timeout on upload18:13
seb128I'm still tracking that actively with launchpad guys18:13
pedro_do you know if there's any ETA on the retracers?18:13
seb128yesterday18:13
pedro_heh ok18:13
seb128it's one of their priority and I'm daily on their channel pushing for it18:13
seb128I will let you know when I get news18:14
pedro_indeed, hope they fix it soon18:14
pedro_thank you seb12818:14
seb128thanks pedro_18:14
seb128ok, release status18:14
seb128http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team.html18:15
seb128we are sort of on track18:15
seb128out of kenvandine's 18 gwibber items ;-)18:15
kenvandinehehe18:15
seb128kenvandine, is there any progress on that?18:15
kenvandinemost of those should be tiny once i get the initial setup done...18:15
kenvandinei spent some time last week on it18:15
seb128kenvandine, I think we don't really need to track that spec for maverick anyway18:16
kenvandinemostly trying to see how other projects deal with unit testing against twitter18:16
kenvandineyeah18:16
seb128kenvandine, great work on the twitter fix btw18:16
kenvandinethx18:16
kenvandineseems to be working well18:16
seb128excellent ;-)18:16
seb128otherwise focus should be on bug fixing now18:16
kenvandinebut... it looks like none of the twitter clients does any unit testing18:16
seb128if you find a bug in maverick that you think should be fixed for release please nominate it18:16
kenvandineyeah, i have a gwibber crasher i am dealing with now18:16
seb128and assign or subscribe the team if you think we should track it specifically18:17
seb128ok18:17
seb128that's it from me I think18:17
seb128hard freeze is next week so let's go back to work18:17
kenvandine:)18:17
kenvandinethx18:17
seb128thanks everybody, maverick shapes to be solid18:18
seb128so let's make sure we focus on quality now until end of the cycle!18:18
didrocks thanks everyone!18:18
pedro_thanks!18:19
tremoluxthanks folks18:19
didrocksseb128: just an update (out of the meeting) on evolution-mapi 2.3018:19
seb128sync from debian?18:19
didrocksevolution-mapi 2.28 (current one) is crashing with evo 2.3018:19
didrocksyeah, we can sync for most of them18:19
didrocksbut it asks syncing openchange and samba4 from experimental18:20
didrockswhich is ok as we don't have stable version of them and they are not used a lot18:20
didrocksbut samba4 needed also other rdepends18:20
didrockstdb, tevent and ldb18:20
didrockstevent and ldb are ok, they are in universe and don't have a lot of dep18:20
didrockstdb is more a problem18:21
didrocksso, after talking to jelmer, he will have a look if he can workaround the new tdb dep18:21
jcastrowhat's the procedure for Featured Apps for maverick?18:21
jcastronod18:21
seb128didrocks, thanks18:27
seb128didrocks, let's see if the syncs got approved or not18:28
didrocksseb128: I'll only poke the release team once we will now about the tdb dep status18:28
didrocksknow*18:28
jcastroseb128: what's the procedure for Featured Apps for maverick?18:32
seb128jcastro, there is none I think18:42
seb128jcastro, want to handle that?18:43
jcastroI knew you were going to say that18:43
jcastroI would like to "loosen" the restrictions a bit though.18:43
and471good night everyone18:44
jcastroFor example, smuxi is a full featured client for IRC, and we ship basic IRC support, so why not put it in there? etc.18:44
seb128jcastro, well IRC seems geeky...18:45
jcastroaudacity and blender are geeky18:46
seb128not really18:46
seb128doing audio is not geeky ;-)18:46
* jcastro looks at the UI.18:47
jcastroLaney: did PDFmod ever get packaged?18:48
seb128jcastro, realistically you will find non technical people who want to edit an audio record18:48
seb128jcastro, but non technical people will not even know what IRC is18:48
seb128even less search for a powerful client18:48
jcastroyeah, it's just without ratings there's no way for an app developer to expose their app in the software center. :-/18:49
seb128next cycle...18:50
meebeylooking at person who join the #smuxi channel, there are many non-technical persons on it18:51
meebeyfar away from geeky18:51
meebeyseb128: isn't it actually the opposite? the less IRC gets spread the more geeky and nerdy it gets18:53
seb128non technical people don't look for things like IRC18:53
meebeyI can prove the opposite, the search for chat and find IRC18:53
meebeys/the/they/18:54
seb128meebey, well no offense but we don't have the same definition of non technical users18:56
seb128the non technical users I speak about don't like computer much and are not searching for anything18:56
seb128they want to go on the web and chat with their friends on msn or such18:57
seb128they don't use emails, irc or whatever else18:57
meebeyok, that sounds more like the computer unaware users18:57
seb128well people who don't care about computer18:58
seb128who wants to download their photos18:58
seb128chat with friends18:58
seb128check on some website18:58
seb128and that's about it18:58
seb128the current list we have is not really technical18:58
seb128some games18:58
seb128image editing18:58
meebeyand those are going to edit sound files?18:58
seb128backup18:58
seb128banking18:59
kenvandinemeebey, they might... seb128 is talking about users that use the computers to do things that aren't necessarily computer related18:59
seb128well people are likely to record sound and want to do some small changes18:59
seb128like cut just a part of the sound file18:59
kenvandinetreating the computer as a tool19:00
meebeygetting help for ubuntu is not offtopic then?19:00
meebeyas IRC and forums are the best resource for that19:00
seb128I don't want to argue for hours19:00
seb128that's my view on that I might be wrong19:00
seb128I think only technical people do IRC19:00
seb128lot of people just ask friends or give up to start19:00
jcastrowell, ideally, in N, if people search for "chat" and the application is awesome it will show up on top right?19:01
kenvandineIRC is intimidating to lots of these types of users19:01
seb128the ones a bit techy will search in their browser and found forums for questions19:01
seb128IRC is really tecky19:01
kenvandinemany "users" really do just give up or live with what they have19:01
meebeyhm Smuxi is making IRC straight forward instead of tecky, but I understand that most client simply suck in that regard19:01
meebeyand made it tecky19:01
jcastroI am already biased, the ayatana integration of it is quite sexy19:02
meebeykind of sad to put it in that corner though, but well19:02
kenvandinemeebey, well it isn't so much the client... it is the concept19:02
kenvandinejumping into a room full of people that know more than you and asking19:02
kenvandinewhen you might not know the way to even ask... it is intimidating19:02
meebeyack, topic based channels are not the perfect way to find the right place19:02
meebeyI agree19:02
meebeythe same way is email though, imperfectly designed and irritating to use for newcomers19:03
kenvandineyeah... email sucks on many levels19:03
seb128ok, time for dinner, gtg19:05
didrocksseb128: enjoy!19:13
vishhehe , the dummy-screenshot-ubuntu and dummy-thumbnail-ubuntu in SC uses the old logo ;p19:21
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seb128didrocks, thanks20:01
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didrockstime for dinner as well, as then, time for some rest :)20:14
didrockssee you tomorrow!20:14
seb128didrocks, enjoy, see you tomorrow ;-)20:15
seb128kenvandine, hey20:41
seb128bug #60352620:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 603526 in empathy (Ubuntu) "new conversation notifications are hidden until I open the conversation (affects: 6) (dups: 4) (heat: 42)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60352620:41
kenvandinehey20:41
seb128kenvandine, could you try to figure if that's due to our indicator support?20:41
seb128kenvandine, the comment seems to indicate it doesn't happen using the notification area icon20:41
kenvandineinteresting20:42
kenvandine i am pretty sure i am getting notifications20:42
kenvandinei'll look at it20:42
seb128thanks20:42
seb128I'm not getting notifications for a while for sure20:42
seb128I noticed it a while ago but I wanted to wait to get some empathy update before investigating then I forgot to do it20:43
seb128but I don't get online bubbles20:43
kenvandineok, i appear to not be either20:44
kenvandineok, i'll dig in to that soon20:44
seb128kenvandine, thanks20:45
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jcastrohyperair: for your last b-c-e upload, why enable both the soundmenu and the indicator? I thought the sound menu removes the need for the indicator?20:52
hyperairjcastro: er whoops. should i disable indicator then?20:53
jcastroyes20:53
hyperairokay20:53
jcastrowe should keep it in there for people who'll run backports in lucid or something for a while, just off by default20:53
hyperairer20:53
hyperairso basically the indicator should be built20:54
hyperairbut not enabled by default?20:54
jcastrocorrect20:54
hyperairhave you tested the new bce?20:54
jcastrowaiting for it to be published20:54
hyperairi'm not sure, but i thought soundmenu should disable indicator if it was enabled.20:55
jcastroI am suffering from a crash today and haven't been able to banshee20:55
jcastrooh, does it do that?20:55
hyperairregarding that crash, i've just uploaded a fix for that20:56
* jcastro nods20:56
hyperairthanks to Laney.20:56
hyperairand yes, i think the newest banshee and bce have support for conflicts relationships20:56
LaneyI think I implemented conflicting in soundmenu/indicator20:56
hyperairi'm not sure how well it works in practice, but in theory i think soundmenu should take priority20:56
Laneyand yeah the crash should be fixed in ubuntu2, sorry — that was my fail initially20:56
hyperairLaney: oh, so does indicator disable soundmenu or soundmenu disable indicator?20:57
Laneyboth20:57
Laneythe one enabled second will win20:57
Laney(I think)20:57
Laneythe default should still be sane though20:57
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hyperairsane meaning soundmenu appears first?20:58
Laneyno I mean in the packaging20:58
Laneywe should enable the ones that we want enabled20:58
Laneythe conflicts is really to protect users20:58
hyperairright.20:58
devildantemvo, do you still want me to look at bug 631675?20:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 631675 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Untranslated strings at update-manager (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63167520:58
mvodevildante: thanks, I fixed it, turned out to be a bug in aptdaemon20:59
hyperairLaney: were those things upstream? i didn't add any new patches20:59
Laneyyeah afaik20:59
LaneyI remember doing it, but I think that was for appindicator/notificationarea20:59
Laneyand then IIRC bertrand did another one20:59
devildantemvo, great ;) ping me if you've got another bug :)20:59
hyperairLaney: no i mean soundmenu being default.20:59
Laneyoh, dunno20:59
Laneydistro patches for that are reasonable though21:00
hyperairsoundmenu is not enabled by default21:00
hyperairi guess we'll have to distro patch it21:01
Laneydefaults only affect new configs, yeah?21:01
hyperairwhat?21:01
hyperairi think so.21:01
LaneyI mean if you enable soundmenu now and I upgrade, I still won't get it21:01
hyperairthe addin.xml thing21:01
Laneyso the conflicts thing doesn't really matter for this change21:01
hyperairerm i'm not sure about how mono-addins works. =\21:01
Laneyunless you accidently leave soundmenu and appindicator enabled by default21:02
Laneyin that case it'll be a race condition21:02
Laneyafaik21:02
hyperairright.21:02
devildantemvo, can you merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/fix-conflicting-packages/+merge/33818 in both trunk and 3.0? It fixes a high priority bug21:02
Laneyand I'm not sure what happens wrt notificationarea21:02
hyperairit probably conflicts as well, doesn't it?21:02
Laneyyeah, but that one is on by default isn't it21:03
Laneycould be a problem21:03
hyperairyes, that's on by default.21:03
hyperairyes, it is a problem.21:03
hyperairactually come to think of it..21:03
Laneyactually no it's not21:03
Laneythe conflict will sort it out21:03
hyperairvia a race condition.21:03
Laneyno21:03
hyperair?21:03
Laneybecause the conflict is only one way21:03
Laneyso soundmenu will always win21:03
hyperairoh21:04
hyperairokay, good.21:04
Laneyas long as it does indeed conflict with notificationarea21:04
Laneyshould check the code21:04
hyperairLaney: bertrand says that soundmenu only disables notificationarea, but not indicator.21:04
Laneythat works21:04
hyperairyes, that works.21:04
Laneybit crap if someone enables both21:05
Laneybut hey21:05
hyperairwhat about what happens if someone enables the notification area icon after that?21:05
Laneysoundmenu will disable itself21:05
hyperairoh okay21:05
hyperairso can we extend this conflicts thing to include the appindicator as well?21:05
Laneyyeah21:06
Laneyprobs best upstream though21:06
hyperairyes21:06
ronocbl8 :  ring ring21:12
bl8ronoc: Hey !21:13
ronocbl8: alright, so tmrw I'll turn my attention to that bug21:14
ronocsorry just been bogged down with alot of last minute stuff to get in21:14
ronochard freeze is very soon ...21:14
ronocbl8, I have 1.7.5 installed so should be able to recreate here21:15
bl8ronoc: no problem, ping if if you need more info21:18
ronocbl8: will do, good night21:18
* hyperair suddenly realizes that bertrand is around here too =O21:20
devildantemvo, here?21:20
mvodevildante: yes, sorry. its late here and I'm on the phone. I will do the merge tomorrow, sorry that I have let it slip for so long21:23
devildantemvo, np, and thanks :)21:23
ajmitchLaney: have you filed a bug for that libindicate dllmap issue?21:27
Laneyajmitch: no, because I haven't investigated and don't know what the problem is21:28
ajmitchk, then I'll file a bug & upload the fix then :)21:28
ajmitchsorry, I thought I'd seen you talking about it earlier21:28
devildantemvo, for 11.04, since synaptic will not be in the CD anymore, do we want advanced features in USC such as reinstalling, forcing a version... ?21:44
seb128chrisccoulson, bug #33379921:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 333799 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Firefox uses en-GB by default instead of en-US (affects: 5) (dups: 2) (heat: 40)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33379921:51
seb128chrisccoulson, is that still valid? it was milestone for some lucid beta version21:51
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm not sure, i use the en-GB locale21:53
chrisccoulson^^micahg?21:53
seb128chrisccoulson, I've refused the nomination for this cycle21:53
micahgchrisccoulson: good question :)21:53
seb128could somebody drop the milestone or update it?21:53
micahgchrisccoulson: I should test that from a live CD this weekend21:54
chrisccoulsonwe generate a en-US.xpi from the build21:54
* micahg tries in a clean profile21:55
chrisccoulsoni've dropped the milestone anyway, it doesn't seem like something that should be a priority. if people were really bothered about it then we'd get a lot more comments21:57
chrisccoulsonin fact, i would have thought it was the other way around. if you query the language of the browser via the DOM when you're running en-GB, it tells you it's en-US ;)21:58
micahgchrisccoulson: yeah, something's not right, the default is not en_US, although my locale is C at the moment, it chooses the first dictionary available in this case, let me try with LC_ALL set21:58
chrisccoulsonyeah, if i look at window.navigator.language in a JS shell, it says it's en-US22:01
micahgchrisccoulson: yes, I tried en_US, de_DE, es_ES, it's not working correctly22:01
chrisccoulsonhmmm :/22:02
micahgIs this the dictionary bug though?22:02
chrisccoulsoni don't think so22:02
devildantetremolux, around?22:02
tremoluxdevildante: hiya22:03
devildantetremolux: hi :)22:03
devildantetremolux: <devildante> mvo, for 11.04, since synaptic will not be in the CD anymore, do we want advanced features in USC such as reinstalling, forcing a version... ?22:03
Laneyjcastro: yeah, pdfmod should be in universe22:03
LaneyI have never tried it though22:03
devildantetremolux, I wanted to ask mvo, but he was gone :p Opinions?22:03
* Laney builds a backport to see22:03
micahgchrisccoulson: idk what to test for this bug then, I'll have to make sure we have a bug for the dictionaries though22:04
jcastroLaney: lmk what you think, I think it'd be a great Featured app22:04
chrisccoulsonmicahg - so, what is the actual behaviour you see?22:04
LaneyI think that featured apps needs a sexy IRC/Twitter client ;)22:04
micahgchrisccoulson: in a text box, spell check offers the first language in the list in a new profile22:04
jcastroLaney: I know right?22:04
chrisccoulsonah, ok22:05
tremoluxdevildante: I wasn't aware that Synaptic was to be removed for 11.0422:06
devildantetremolux, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/synaptic-is-going-bye-bye-soon.html and http://blog.pault.ag/2010/09/06/synaptic-part-deux/22:06
chrisccoulsonmicahg - i think the spelling thing is something different22:07
devildantetremolux, but it could be just rumors, my bad :p22:07
chrisccoulsonbut yeah, that's broken for sure22:07
micahgchrisccoulson: yes, not this bug but a similar one22:07
chrisccoulsoni get german at the top of the list when running en-GB22:07
chrisccoulsonbut it's not really en-GB. even my google search results are localised for en-US, which is a real pain22:07
chrisccoulsonthey are localised correctly for every language except en-GB22:08
tremoluxdevildante: it's true that the eventual goal is to incorporate Synaptic features in USC, and indeed if we are doing it for 11.04 we would need to implement those features that people rely on22:09
tremoluxdevildante: mpt talks about it a bit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter22:10
ajmitchjcastro: I'll fully endorse it as a featured app too ;)22:11
tremoluxdevildante: we have to start solidifying the roadmap for USC 4.0 (that will be in 11.04), but it's still a little early to know for sure just yet22:12
tremoluxdevildante: that planning will happen in earnest at UDS22:12
devildantetremolux, okay, thanks for the info :)22:12
tremoluxdevildante: sorry, does that help at all?  :)22:12
devildanteyes, of course! ;)22:12
tremoluxdevildante: ok, cool!22:13
chrisccoulsonmicahg - indeed, general.useragent.locale=en-US on mine (even though that is set to en-GB in my language pack)22:16
chrisccoulsonso, i'd say it's the other way around :(22:16
devildantetremolux, ;)22:21
* devildante have the urge to at least smile to people when they talk to him22:21
chrisccoulsonmicahg - got it!22:22
chrisccoulsonthe language code in the en_GB chrome.manifest is wrong22:22
chrisccoulsonit should be "en-GB" rather than "en_GB"22:22
chrisccoulsonif i change that, then i get a correctly localised browser :)22:22
chrisccoulsonwe need pitti here now :)22:24
micahgchrisccoulson: that seems to be a larger bug since I thought everything was changed to support _ instead of -22:35
micahgmaybe on the dictionaries were changed22:41
micahgchrisccoulson: are any other manifests like that?22:41
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, all the en-* ones22:41
micahgchrisccoulson: the other languages are not?22:42
chrisccoulsonmicahg - most of the other ones aren't hyphenated, but i'll have a look22:43
chrisccoulsonthey must be getting mangled in launchpad22:43
chrisccoulsonwe should just package these like the thunderbird ones ;)22:43
micahgchrisccoulson: oh, if that's all, that'll be a relief22:43
micahgchrisccoulson: heh, yeah, speaking of those I'll update them this weekend22:44
Riddelldidrocks: care to comment on bug anjal ?22:57
Riddelltsk, bug 62166022:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 621660 in anjal (Ubuntu) "Please remove anjal from maverick (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 229)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62166022:57
Riddelldidrocks: can you confirm you want openchange synced but not samba4?  bug 63251923:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 632519 in openchange (Ubuntu) "Sync openchange 1:0.9+svn2132-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63251923:08
Riddellbug 63251823:08
ubot2Launchpad bug 632518 in samba4 (Ubuntu) "Sync samba4 4.0.0~alpha13+git+bzr12670.dfsg1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63251823:08
kklimondaRiddell: I've added my comment to the anjal bug23:23
kklimondaRiddell: (I'm one of last people who has touched anjal in Ubuntu)23:25
Riddellkklimonda: thanks, removed23:26
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