[00:02] Morning all. [00:13] Hey RAOF. [00:13] TheMuso: Good morning. [00:14] So I upgarded my notebook intsall of maverick yesterday to latest packages, and the audio mute bug has gone away. :S [00:14] gah typing [00:14] Yay? [00:14] Yes, but still a pain, as I don't know what fixed it. [00:15] I'll give my laptop a reboot after the upgrades install; I'll see if it's totally fixed here, too. [00:15] * TheMuso might do an alpha 3 install, and update. [00:16] TO see whether the issue is 100% fixed. [00:18] It's a bit annoying that the dbgsym repository is behind the main archive. [00:20] Ouch. [00:21] There go all my evolution debugging symbols! :) [01:54] TheMuso: Volume came up muted this boot, so I don't think the bug has been fixed. [01:54] RAOF: gah! [01:55] Its a race condition, that much is for sure. [01:55] I believe crimsun_ has a more perminant fix in alsa-utils bzr. [01:55] Yay! [02:19] yup [03:42] Hrm. Rebuilding even the current pulse package in maverick causes it to fail when run... Weird. [03:42] Anyway, that is to be solved afterwards. [03:42] * TheMuso -> lunch [04:18] ...or not. Got mixed up with versions. [04:18] Now to find the culpret patch... [06:26] desrt, hello [06:50] desrt, please have a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628937 [06:51] Gnome bug 628937 in gsettings "[patch] glib-compile-schemas fails when one schema/override is wrong" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [07:59] good morning [08:00] hey didrocks [08:02] hey and471, how are you? [08:03] didrocks, good thanks, but busy :) [08:03] any you? [08:03] And you? [08:03] same here ;) [08:53] alf__: ping [08:53] slomo: Hi! Did you have any luck with cairo? It is strange that it doesn't build. I have successfully build packages in a PPA. [08:54] alf__: it's because of the autoreconf patch in combination with a weird bug in the cairo build system [08:54] if someone can explain to me how dh_autoreconf should be used i'll use that instead ;) [08:55] slomo: dh --with autoreconf [08:56] i'm using old-style debhelper :) [08:56] just call dh_autoreconf somewhere and that's it? [08:56] slomo: hey, re: gst-plugins-bad-multiverse I can reproduce your issue in xvid in my pbuilder. I tracked down to the issue about the xvid_encore configuration is due to http://paste.ubuntu.com/489652/ [08:57] slomo: yeah, dh_autoreconf for dh5 :) [08:57] and dh_autoreconf_clean in clean [08:57] slomo: call dh_autoreconf prior to dh_auto_configure and will call dh_autoreconf_clean before dh_clean [08:57] didrocks: do you have conftest.c? :) [08:57] slomo: oops, thats for 7 again [08:57] ok, let's hope this works then :) [08:57] slomo: yeah, I backed up somewhere, one second :) [08:58] urgh, I've set in a directory cleaned on reboot, let me regenerate it [08:59] (will take some time, can't use tmpfs there: too many packages ;)) [08:59] alf__: how can i have the ltmain.sh patch *and* dh_autoreconf? manual patching? [09:02] slomo: I can't think of another way [09:02] stupid libtool :) [09:02] didrocks: ^^ any idea? [09:02] hum? [09:03] oh, about ltmain.sh [09:03] hey [09:03] yeah, ltmain.sh is still manual patching in most of packages where we use dh-autoreconf [09:03] salut seb128 [09:03] didrocks: a bit annoying with 3.0 (quilt) but ok :P [09:03] slomo: yeah :/ [09:04] speaking about ltmain.sh changes for as-needed? [09:04] seb128: yes [09:04] why do we need those? how come upstream don't get a fixed version? [09:04] kiwinote: hi , any idea why the fix for Bug #624072 dint work? setting the menu to NoDisplay=True dint help .. [09:04] Launchpad bug 624072 in software-properties (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Hide 'Software Sources' from the System > Administration menu (affects: 1) (heat: 354)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624072 [09:04] seb128: is this fixed upstream? [09:05] seb128: also... i'm using dh-autoreconf now! :) [09:05] slomo, dunno that's what I'm asking, why does it not get fixed upstream? [09:05] slomo, nice ;-) [09:05] is the debian version fixed? [09:05] in any case the ltmain.sh changes are useless [09:06] if you use autoreconf at build time [09:06] seb128: just a little bit of context: it's about cairo vs alf__'s patch if I understand correctly [09:06] the ltmain.sh will be replaced by the autos run [09:06] the unpatching will break as well most likely [09:06] since the patched file is overwritten unpatching doesn't work [09:07] vish: it looks like it needs to be 'true' rather than 'True' [09:07] seb128: well, i can patch and unpatch that one after dh_autoreconf and before dh_autoreconf_clean ;) [09:07] vish: if you could test that hypothesis, that would be great [09:07] ah! [09:07] * vish tries [09:07] didrocks: most likely there's an include missing in the xvid configure check and should be easy to fix... do you want your first gstreamer commit? :) [09:07] slomo, it would be so easier to have the system ltmain.sh being correct so you would not need anything [09:08] sure, if you can convince libtool upstream :) [09:09] slomo: heh, why not ;) let me first show you the conftest.c (once generated, pbuilder… slow ;)) [09:09] slomo, well if we can't we should at least be able to patch the debian package no? [09:09] slomo, when we run autoreconf at build time we do it with the debian version [09:10] so if that one was fixed there would be no issue [09:10] kiwinote: bingo! awesome! :) [09:10] kiwinote: thanks.. [09:10] vish: yw [09:11] seb128: joss tried this at least once and there's a bug against libtool in debian for that [09:14] slomo: here is the conftest.c for xvid_encore: http://pastebin.com/s2vKdLYY [09:15] didrocks: is it still complaining about line 78? [09:16] slomo: hum, not this time, undefined reference. I prefer that :) [09:16] (when linking) [09:16] let me check in the lib [09:16] that's from AC_CHECK_LIB btw [09:16] please NEW gkeyfile-sharp (should be™ the last one) [09:17] didrocks: heh, if you xvid doesn't have that symbol it can't encode :P [09:18] slomo: it has (http://paste.ubuntu.com/489658/). I have to check again what U means, in any case [09:19] "U" The symbol is undefined. [09:19] hum, I don't understand how it can be printed if it's undefined TBH ;) [09:19] but yeah, probably an issue in that library so [09:20] it means that it's not in this library [09:20] what you want is a T there [09:20] things like malloc, etc will also have an U [09:20] but it's still printing its name, knowing that it can be? [09:20] oh, ok [09:21] alf__: works now [09:21] brb [09:28] slomo: Great, thanks a million! [09:32] alf__: uploaded [09:32] alf__: please get the packaging from git though, it has to wait on NEW for some time unfortunately ;) [09:32] slomo: np :) [09:41] re [09:41] I got a conffile prompt for /etc/gnome/defaults.list [09:41] which I've never changed [09:41] oh maybe I have, sorry [09:41] morning [09:42] hey huats Laney [09:42] hello seb128 [09:42] does somebody else got external screen not activating on dock stations for a week or so ? [09:42] hiya seb128 [09:44] seb128: hey [09:44] seb128: the s-c desktop file is called ubuntu-software-center.desktop rather than software-center.desktop [09:44] seb128: do you mind updating desktop-file-utils to reflect this correctly? [09:45] will do [09:45] thanks [09:47] slomo: hum, that's weird, our xvidcore has to configure round. The second one disabling pthread support (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49716936/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.xvidcore_2%3A1.2.2%2Bdebian-1ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz) [09:48] slomo: the only difference we have with the marillat version is merging README :/ [09:48] (from the changelog, at least) [09:48] and I see nothing specical in debian/rules === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [10:25] mvo: hi [10:26] hey kiwinote [10:26] mvo: do you mind reviewing lp:~kiwinote/python-apt/reinstall-same-file [10:26] mvo: it should allow gdebi and s-c to reinstall deb files again, which was a regression wrt lucid [10:26] kiwinote: thanks, will do [10:41] can anybody confirm https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628919 on ubuntu? [10:41] Gnome bug 628919 in gnome-about "gnome-about crashed with KeyError in make_info_label()" [Critical,Unconfirmed] [10:42] hey vuntz [10:42] it's probably a buggy translation [10:42] oh [10:42] right [10:52] mvo, bug #632292 btw [10:52] Launchpad bug 632292 in software-center (Ubuntu) "switch to the installed applications view when opening a deb (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632292 [10:54] thanks seb128 [10:54] thank *you* ;-) [11:27] vuntz, btw how do you build the gnome-panel applets in opensuse? [11:27] using different binaries or .so? [11:31] seb128: .so [11:31] vuntz, ok thanks [11:31] we should do that again ;-) [11:33] seb128: well, binaries make sense during development, though [11:34] right, but we are after beta now [11:34] we forgot to change back in lucid and people complain quite a lot about it ;-) [12:08] wow, i've not updated for a while. lots of packages to update now :/ [12:12] if i want one of my apps to emit notifications, what should i use? libindicate? [12:15] chrisccoulson, stop uploading all these packages !!! [12:15] ogra - which packages? [12:15] the ones that dont fail to build and make it into the archive [12:15] then we wont have all these updates all the time [12:15] ;) [12:16] heh :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:16] fta - probably libnotify [12:17] the builders are looking fairly underused. i should upload something big to keep them occupied.... [12:22] didrocks: banshee built [12:22] finally! [12:22] Laney: great! will test there. unfortunatly, as the OMGUbuntu guy is away for calling from testing, not sure about the timeline for inclusion by default in UNE (seems to be really late) :/ [12:23] dnielsen has been around [12:24] oh right [12:24] dunno, I obviously think you should do it, but that's up to you! [12:24] Laney: well, I'm not alone on that decision (there is the aa, and the release team) [12:25] Laney: in any case, let's make the call for testing first [12:25] sure [12:37] chrisccoulson, oh, i see. thanks [12:38] chrisccoulson, damned, it needs gdk + gtk dev, too heavy for my small agent [12:38] chrisccoulson, i guess i'll have to cheat and dlopen libnotify directly [12:39] fta - you could use raw dbus calls too [12:40] mvo, around? [12:40] hey devildante [12:40] devildante: good afternoon :) [12:40] good morning :p [12:41] mvo, can you merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-properties/hide-desktop-file/+merge/34740 again, please? [12:41] devildante: sure, what happend to it? [12:41] chrisccoulson, ideally, i want to have my own menu in the app indicator.. but i'm not sure where to start with that, can't find any docs [12:42] mvo, I changed the .desktop file to really hide it from the menu [12:42] mvo, if you go to the GNOME menu right now, it isn't hidden [12:42] devildante: aha, ok. thanks :) [12:43] devildante: funny that its case-sensitive [12:43] mvo, yeah... maybe that could be a GNOME bug? :p [13:10] thanks for the merge, mvo :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:13] devildante: cheeers [13:13] bl8: hey, just getting around to looking at the name issue with banshee [13:13] ;) [13:13] bl8: the version in maverick is only 1.7.3 [13:13] * devildante will go to school ; see ya after a while ;) [13:13] is there a newer version coming anytime soon ? === devildante is now known as devildante[schoo [13:17] bl8: back shortly [13:33] chrisccoulson: hey [13:34] chrisccoulson: default offline firefox startpage is still saying "Welcome to Ubuntu 10.04 LTS". known bug? === zyga_ is now known as zyga-afk [13:34] didrocks - that's an issue with ubuntu-docs i think [13:34] * didrocks checks for a bug report [13:35] weird, no bug report on it [13:36] just the "no image, no style one" [13:36] chrisccoulson: do you think I should add to that one ? ^ [13:36] didrocks - it's probably best to report another bug for that [13:36] (bug #531882) [13:36] Launchpad bug 531882 in ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "Default Home Page without style or images on offline mode (affects: 1) (heat: 20)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531882 [13:36] ok, adding a new one [13:36] thanks [13:37] i'm not sure who's working on that though [13:37] not sure someone is working on that :) [13:37] well, in any case, that page is in English and we change it for the French respin :p [13:39] mvo, bug #631675 [13:39] Launchpad bug 631675 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Untranslated strings at update-manager (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631675 [13:39] mvo, you probably want to have it on your maverick list [13:46] seb128: thanks, added [13:46] mvo, thank you [13:48] nessita, hey [13:48] * mvo hugs kiwinote [13:49] hello everybody, seb128 [13:49] nessita, how are you? [13:49] devildante[schoo: are you keen to look at bug #631675 ? [13:49] Launchpad bug 631675 in update-manager (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "Untranslated strings at update-manager (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631675 [13:49] hey nessita :) [13:50] pretty good, a bit sleepy but some mate will help in that field [13:50] hey mvo! [13:50] seb128: how about you? [13:51] nessita, do you know if the ubuntuone-preferences second tab using "" as a name is a bug? [13:51] shouldn't it use the actual name? [13:51] nessita, I'm fine thanks ;-) [13:51] quite busy bugging other people about their bugs :p === oubiwann is now known as ouibiwann [13:53] seb128: I agree it looks awful, but I'm not sure why is being displayed. We should ask dobey, he built the ubuntuone-preferences === ouibiwann is now known as oubiwann [13:53] nessita, ok [13:53] chrisccoulson, do you have some experience with libnotify? i have 2 notifications sent with a 2 sec interval, and 3 sec timeout, i want the 2nd notif to be merged into the 1st as it's still visible, any idea how i can do that? [13:55] fta, do they have the same title? [13:55] you need to set the append hint [13:56] mvo: thanks for the merge! s-c trunk, the python-apt changes (my reinstalling the same pkg and your encoding one) and the desktop-file utils change should make the deb handling nice and robust now :) [13:58] kiwinote: yeah :) [13:58] mvo: the only remaining issue I have is that the error message for deb files is down in the description field (ie hard to notice), but that was on mpt's recommendation, so I'll assume that it is noticeable.. [13:59] I suppose the install button is disabled, so in that sense it's ok [14:00] kenvandine, where are those hints described? i can't find any in /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/libnotify/libnotify-notification.html [14:01] mvo, when do you plan to do an upload? [14:02] kiwinote: ok [14:02] seb128: soon, why? [14:03] mvo, I'm wanting to test the changes ;-) [14:03] mvo, but I'm lazy to get them from the vcs === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [14:03] seb128: lol [14:03] seb128: ok ;) [14:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Merging%20notifications [14:04] fta, ^^ === jorge_ is now known as jcastro [14:07] nessita: "" is displayed when the preferences is unable to read the user's machine list from the server [14:07] nessita: or if said list is empty [14:08] dobey: and why, for example, would be unable to read? I have 2 machines and I always got the "local machine" string [14:08] kenvandine, hmm.. it doesn't say how this could be done, just what it should do [14:08] one sec [14:09] nessita: you have two machines listed in SSO? or on https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/ ? [14:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines#How%20to%20use%20the%20append-hint [14:10] fta, ^^ [14:11] dobey: now my account is a bit broken, but I'm talking about before SSO integration [14:11] dobey: at that point I had 2 machines both listed on https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/ [14:12] seb128: uploaded [14:12] nessita: does preferences show your name/quota information correctly still? [14:12] dobey: at that point, yes\ [14:12] nessita: are those 2 machines *still* listed there? [14:13] mvo, thanks [14:15] nessita: check the u1-prefs.log for errors? [14:16] dobey: I'll do it when I have a working client again [14:22] ronoc, not sure you got a reply to your question before but banshee 1.7.5 was uploaded yesterday [14:23] kenvandine, thanks, it worked great :) [14:26] fta, np! [14:26] :) [14:27] * didrocks hates gconf + python [14:29] didrocks, why, because in C it's nicer? [14:29] seb128: not really, but it caches behind my the result to the client [14:29] seb128: and I can't force it to dump to the FS [14:30] I'm partially interested to do that *before* my python script ends [14:30] (for instance) [14:30] it's gconf doing that [14:30] send a sighup to the daemon [14:30] no? [14:31] (it's written it's cached client side, I try to unlog and relog, didn't get anything) [14:31] let's see sending sighup [14:31] nothing… [14:31] so it's really client side [14:33] dobey, can you package and upload https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-storage-protocol/trunk/1.4.0 please? [14:36] sure [14:39] seb128: thx [14:52] kenvandine, another question. when i have a notification from another app (like evo), can i force mine to be displayed below immediately (instead of having to wait 5sec or more)? [14:53] fta, not sure off hand [14:53] look at that wiki page for priorities [14:53] you can raise the priority of a notification [14:53] and urgency i think === _bjf is now known as bjf [15:25] re [15:26] connection problems seb128? [15:26] ;) [15:26] seb128, meeting today? [15:26] chrisccoulson, yes [15:26] kenvandine, yes, I'm about to send the reminder, got busy on other things [15:26] thx :) [15:26] i just noticed the wiki page wasn't there yet [15:26] i am heading out for an early lunch, bbiab === asac_ is now known as asac [15:44] mvo: in s-c 2.1.16 the pathbar change introduced a regression (browse to any app with a screenshot) [15:44] mvo: can you confirm the regression and test the fix in my branch? [15:51] kiwinote: hm, I don't have the breakage, what does it look like [15:51] kiwinote: the fix looks ok though [15:53] mvo: the breakage that I was fixing is that the end cap of the first pathbar element is drawn as ]> rather than just > [15:53] cassidy: I'd like to have a telepathy session for our Application Developer Week. Something like "How to use telepathy in your app" or something. Do you know if any of you might be interested? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable [15:54] jcastro, I'd say to send a mail on the TP mailing list [15:54] rock [15:55] mvo: with s-c 2.1.16 however s-c seems to get into an infinite loop and grind to a halt when navigating eg get software > office > abiword [15:58] kiwinote: I can reproduce it only on one of my two machines, maybe its a timing issue [15:59] mvo: hm, that could be the case [16:00] kiwinote: but fix is fine, thanks! I upload the new package now [16:00] mvo: ok, thanks a lot === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [16:20] tedg: hey? [16:21] desrt, Hey, I'm in a meeting :( Can I grab you in a bit? [16:21] i just wanted an up/down on your coming to the hackfest [16:21] we're trying to finalise the list [16:23] desrt, k, I'm pretty sure yes, let me verify. [16:23] bah, I hate launchpad being slow [16:24] tedg: poke me when you're sure, but we'll count you as a probably for now [16:24] sorry for the duplicated meeting reminder [16:24] desrt, hey [16:24] seb128: hello [16:24] desrt, the usecase to overwrite keys not installed is to make distro defaults for example [16:24] desrt, ie ubuntu-artwork set empathy keys [16:25] seb128: ya. i understand that. [16:25] desrt, but some users uninstall empathy [16:25] it's not *so* weird [16:25] desrt, we can't go and distro patch every source to set key overwrites, that wouldn't work for ie derivates [16:25] my vision was that the overrides file would always be shipped in the same package [16:25] desrt, you can't [16:25] like you'd toss empathy overrides in the empathy package [16:25] desrt, xubuntu might change the theme over ubuntu [16:25] but they don't have a different empathy source [16:25] that's true, i suppose. [16:26] although it's starting to seem quite odd :) [16:26] why? [16:26] think wallpaper if you want [16:26] meh. it's just not what i had in mind [16:26] let's say your company install ubuntu and want to change the default icons [16:26] but if you tell me there is a use case here then there is no point in me standing in your way [16:26] you would just add a desrt-artwork binary [16:26] seb128: ahah. vendors vs. admins. [16:26] which override some keys [16:26] i would actually set the default dconf settings [16:27] how do you deploy that? [16:27] you drop some files into /etc/dconf/dbs/defaults.d/.... [16:27] and you run 'dconf update' [16:27] should we do that rather than use overrides? [16:27] i'm not sure. [16:27] can we set a default for keys not available? === mpt_ is now known as mpt [16:27] it's still the same issue... [16:27] yes. definitely. [16:28] dconf has no particular structure [16:28] you might want a different logo in ubuntu and xubuntu [16:28] you can do anything you like [16:28] well, didrocks was talking to me about this issue [16:28] and in fact he had even higher requirements [16:28] that the defaults can be changed by an environment variable or something [16:28] so if you log in to one session type, you have one set of defaults [16:28] in another session type, another [16:29] yeah, like what we do today with gconf [16:29] for something like this, obviously vendor overrides are totally unworkable [16:29] because of their static nature [16:29] (hey desrt btw ;)) [16:29] didrocks: hey :) [16:29] shame we couldn't meet in paris [16:29] i blame rick [16:29] right :/ we'll see at UDS at least! [16:30] he was supposed to come, but mark's plane was too slow [16:30] sure, it's all because of him :-) [16:30] desrt: coming back to gsetting/dconf. yeah, we will really need that soon. [16:30] you already have it, actually [16:30] ok, just need a recipe then. I didn't have the time to have a proper look at it [16:30] (and yes, I know, it's a shame :)) [16:31] ya. i have a bad habbit of not writing docs :) [16:31] desrt, so back to the issue, it seems just broken than a buggy override crashes your complete desktop [16:31] basically the way it works is that you write a 'profile' file in /etc/dconf/profiles/.... [16:31] desrt, it means no schemas was working so any gsettings software just crashed [16:31] listing the stacking order of the databases [16:31] then you set DCONF_PROFILE environment variable [16:31] pretty easy [16:32] seb128: yes. i think we've talked about this before. [16:32] my biggest concern was that due to the nature of the parser it was very difficult to back out of changes [16:32] (ie: discard a partial .schema file if we discover that the schema file is broken) [16:32] since then there have been two major changes in the parser that make this a lot easier to deal with [16:32] and i like to believe that robert's patch actually succeeds here [16:33] so i will definitely have a look [16:33] kenvandine: hello! would you have some minutes for a packaging question? [16:33] desrt, he uploaded his patch to maverick btw [16:33] you fucking canonical assholes! [16:33] :p [16:33] nessita, just ask on the channel other people can reply this way [16:34] desrt, that's the spirit ;-) [16:34] * desrt is learning to be a good upstream :) [16:34] seb128: right :-) [16:34] desrt, btw do you know if any recent glib change broke gvfs? [16:35] i don't know of anything that would have [16:35] desrt, we started getting bugs about gvfsd-smb eating cpu and not working since yesterday [16:35] since gvfs didn't change it's something else [16:35]