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thorwilhumphreybc: thanks!07:44
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humphreybcthorwil: no probs, looks great08:22
humphreybchow's the manual going10:01
humphreybc>10:01
humphreybc?*10:01
humphreybcfail right there10:01
* vish wonders why the logo cant be used as the icon too :)10:01
vishthorwil: scaling issues or .. ?10:02
* vish likes the logo more than the icon btw ..;)10:02
humphreybcI have to agree with vish on that one too10:03
vishthorwil: one issue with the 256 px icon , it _will_ be scaled down , thats why most of the 256px icons are tested how they look at 64px too10:04
thorwilvish: partly scaling issues, yet. the icon concentrates on providing a hint what quickshot is about, while for the logo, looking good comes first10:04
thorwilvish: scaling it as bitmap is a dumb idea. should i made lines in the 256 px version wide enough so they will be 1px at 64px? ridiculous10:07
vishthorwil: yeah , thats why the 256 px icons are ridiculous :) , but thats how they work.. they scale down 4 times , hence lines are usually 4px thick10:08
vishthorwil: the 256 px are never used anywhere, its given in the readme though , not my idea :)10:08
vishthorwil: also, i dont know if others would know by looking at the icon as to it function.. it seems to relate to us since we know what it does.. i'd still prefer the logo one and try to scale it.. but your call .. ;)10:09
thorwilvish: that's not quite what i get out the README. already found 1 and 2 px wide lines and icons with nothing you can call an outline at all10:21
vishthorwil: its everything, not the lines alone , everything needs to be in multiples of 4 , the whole icon size , the margins, etc..10:22
thorwilvish: what's the reason to not work at 64px, then?10:25
thorwilwait, gotta ask them10:26
vishthorwil: beats me.. i still wonder that.. still not sure why/where we use 256 px icons..10:26
nisshhpopey: did you manage to compile the manual in the end?11:20
popeyyes!11:22
popeyI CAN HAZ PDF!11:22
nisshhhaha11:22
nisshhpopey: so, what do you think so far?11:22
popeynot had much chance to read it yet11:23
nisshhalso, be aware that i havent gotten all the chapters in the branch yet11:23
nisshhright11:23
nisshhpopey: any idea what you want to do yet? (edit/grammar check/consistency checking)11:24
popeywell, the initial idea was grammar, consistency check, test11:25
nisshhright11:25
nisshhstill want to do that or have you changed your mind?11:25
popeyyeah, just not had a chance to look at it since I compiled it last night11:27
* popey is at work11:27
nisshhright11:28
nisshhthought you might be11:28
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popeyhttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/ --> link on right to tradepub  for ubuntu manual download15:46
nisshhpopey: i saw that the other day, they ripped it off our site15:48
nisshhbloody amateurs15:48
popeyhttp://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/c/pubRD.mpl/?pc=w_ubun0115:48
nisshhyea15:48
popeyhe's a uk person15:48
nisshhyea15:49
nisshhpopey: you home from work now?15:49
popeyno15:50
popeyi have an appointment with a pint of beer directly after work15:50
nisshhah ok15:50
nisshhhehe15:50
popeywill ping you when I'm back home15:50
nisshhsure15:50
nisshhpopey: just so i get the time difference, your in the UK correnct?15:51
nisshhcorrect*15:51
popeyya15:51
nisshhok15:51
nisshhpopey: i just tried to download the manual on tradepub there, and its asking me for all my details, WTF!?15:52
popeyyeah15:52
popeyits an affiliate site15:52
popeyhe gets a kickback for each download15:52
nisshha kickback?15:52
popeyits not the first time he's done that15:52
popeymoney15:52
nisshhah15:52
nisshhwhat a douch15:52
popeyjust plain rude given how much time you lot put in15:52
nisshhyea15:52
nisshhi mean, itd be ok if he linked to the site15:53
nisshhbut that is rediculous!15:53
nisshhpopey: does humphreybc know?15:53
popeyi suspect so15:55
popeyit was tweeted months ago15:55
popeyChris Pirillo started it iirc15:55
popeyand that ubuntu-geek guy just picks up links and posts them with zero thought15:55
nisshhyea15:55
nisshhi wanna punch that guy in the face15:55
popeyheh15:58
nisshh:)15:58
popeyyou could send him a polite email pointing out the error of his ways15:58
nisshhi suspect that would just warrant an agry reply about him needing the money15:59
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flannisshh, I think I just had an evil idea.16:36
flanDeliciously so, of course.16:36
nisshhflan: hmmm?16:37
nisshhflan: whats your idea?16:38
flanPresent Quickshot in AppDevWeek as a "howto", clone the live UMP data-set, and try to get participants to capture real data for merging back into the core tree.16:38
flan(Cloned so I can give them admin access to the demo server, for full immersion)16:38
nisshhflan: you mean use the session in order to get people to take the manual screenshots?16:38
flanYes.16:38
flanUnder the pretense of teaching them how to use it for their own projects./16:39
nisshhflan: holy shit! your a freaking genious! :)16:39
nisshhflan: so, do you need my help?16:39
flanIf you're available, I wouldn't mind having someone to keep me from getting too technical.16:39
flanBut I think I can manage.16:39
nisshhok16:40
nisshhflan: if your sure, make sure you schedule a place, there arent many left16:40
nisshhsorry, not a place, a time16:40
flanI took the one right after "writing documentation with Mallard"16:40
nisshhah cool16:40
flanIt seemed appropriate.16:40
flanMore likely to have a similar crowd.16:40
flanEr... interested crowd*16:41
nisshhhehe16:41
nisshhflan: ill make sure i hang around in the channel when your session is on16:42
nisshhjust in case16:42
flanThanks.16:42
nisshh:)16:42
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flanIs it wrong to have a playlist of nothing but remixes of FFV's Battle on the Big Bridge?16:57
nisshhyes16:58
flanAww. :(16:58
nisshhlol16:59
nisshhflan: you need some better music16:59
flanSays you.16:59
nisshhflan: my playlist is over 3800 items16:59
flanSmall.16:59
flanI didn't meant to say this was all I have. Just that it's all I'm listening to at the moment.17:00
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flanNo bugs yet, jenkins?20:05
jenkinsI have just started on it whilst i wait for latex to download. can you assign the icon to the windows and the error dialog needs to comform to gnome hig where would i edit it? I can't see it in glade20:06
flanThe dialogues aren't in Glade.20:06
flanWhat do you need to change?20:06
flanEverything's created dynamically in gui/dialogue.py20:07
flanAs for the icons, yes, just tell me where the file is, relative to data/ui/, and I'll get that working today.20:07
jenkinsthere should be a 12 px border around the main box, and 12px between each of the elements20:08
ChrisWoollardevening jenkins20:08
flanIf thorwil gave us a .ico for the website (or a suitable alternative image), put it in server/quickshot/public and add an appropriate header to quickshot/templates/common/header.mako20:08
flanRemove the old favicon.ico, if it becomes redundant as a result.20:09
flanOh. Yeah, just find out what to call or pass to the box in the GTK docs (pygtk + box) and set that in dialogue.py.20:09
flanYou should only have to change it in the private function at the top.20:10
jenkinsall the art work is in  https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/quickshot_art  I have just pussed the icon into the data/ui folder . i tried assigning it in glade but it did not work20:11
jenkinshey ChrisWoollard20:11
ChrisWoollardHow is life treating you20:13
jenkinsI am good thanks, your self20:14
ChrisWoollardI am ok. I am getting a bit fed up with writting this job application form. + my meeting is later20:14
jenkinso yea I will pop in, good luck . Please ping me before it starts20:17
ChrisWoollardnp20:17
ChrisWoollardwill do20:17
flanIt's not gonna work if you assign it in Glade. Not yet, anyway.20:18
flanWith the exception of the windows that are loaded as-is, like graphics_confirm.20:18
flanAssign everything in Glade, though.20:18
flanI'll just copy the icon from the parent to the internal window model.20:18
jenkinsok I will go through assiging in glade20:18
flanOr... maybe I can just let you do that.20:19
flanIt'll be one line.20:19
flanGimme a moment to write it.20:19
flanIn base.py, where other attributes are being copied from content.parent, add the following: "self.set_icon(content.parent.get_icon())"20:20
flanThat should cause everything to get pulled from Glade.20:20
jenkinsok thanks I will give it a tyr20:23
jenkinsflan: are you sure you mean base.py? I added it to project_selection.py with all the other content parent stuff and that worked20:32
flanI'm sure I mean base.py.20:32
flanOh, wait.20:32
flanNo,.20:32
flanYou're right.20:32
flanI meant every child of base.py.20:32
* flan braindead.20:33
jenkinsI will copy that into every file20:33
flanEvery file that has a class that inherits from base.BaseWindow, not gtk.Window.20:33
jenkinsok will do20:33
flanI'm sure you'll notice the difference ins tructure, though20:33
flanThey look nothing alike.20:33
jenkinshttp://tinypic.com/r/j0lkiu/7 quickshot with the new logo and icon!20:41
flanIt almost looks like a real program!20:50
jenkinslol20:50
flanSo, do you want to handle changing the server's icon, too, or should I do that?20:50
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flanAlso, thorwil, do you have a mini-logo I could use for the server's header area? Alternatively, any objection to me using the same reference material, but moving the text to teh right of the icon and using that?20:51
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ChrisWoollardping jenkins20:59
ChrisWoollardmeeting started20:59
jenkinsready to watch ChrisWoollard :)20:59
ChrisWoollardthx21:03
jenkinseveryone join #ubuntu-meeting and support ChrisWoollard21:04
ChrisWoollardI am glad i am not first. Then i can watch how it is done21:04
jenkinsi agree21:05
thorwilflan: rough something in so i can see the size you desire and ask me again tomorrow21:16
thorwilflan: didn't make an ico so far. really hate the thought of trying to bring the logo down to 16px. using the icon would be easy, though21:16
thorwilflan: cool to see you use mako. now i have to run, cya!21:17
ChrisWoollardthis may take a while.21:18
jenkinsI was thinking the same21:18
jenkinsthey really quized ben when he had his but this appears to be easier. ben was applying for a different area of the world though21:20
ChrisWoollardnissh had his in the same region as be21:22
ChrisWoollardn21:22
ChrisWoollardhe had a hard time too.21:22
jenkinsI think they were really tough21:22
ChrisWoollardI also wonder if it makes a difference that there are a lot of people to get through21:22
* jenkins has written his i like chris text up in gedit21:23
ChrisWoollardthanks21:25
jenkinsI was thinking that a lot of people may make them quicker21:25
ChrisWoollardyou should have done yours too.21:27
jenkinsI should have done :(21:29
jenkinsalthough at this rate i would have fallen asleep by the time it reached me21:29
ChrisWoollardi was hoping that half the people would have forgotton to turn up21:31
jenkinsthat does usually happen21:32
ChrisWoollardI am up next.21:57
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jenkinscool21:58
ChrisWoollardYay.22:04
ChrisWoollardI am now an Ubuntu Member22:04
jenkinsnice one :) they so want to get them completed now22:05
ChrisWoollardI noticed.22:05
ChrisWoollardThey did like my testimonials :)22:05
dutchieanybody interested in helping the a11y team come up with personas feel free to join #ubuntu-accessibility now22:12
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dutchiea11y discussion finished, see http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WkO4TZbvWt for the fruits of our labour22:53
dakerChrisWoollard, congrats!!23:29
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