[07:44] <thorwil> humphreybc: thanks!
[08:22] <humphreybc> thorwil: no probs, looks great
[10:01] <humphreybc> how's the manual going
[10:01] <humphreybc> >
[10:01] <humphreybc> ?*
[10:01] <humphreybc> fail right there
[10:01]  * vish wonders why the logo cant be used as the icon too :)
[10:02] <vish> thorwil: scaling issues or .. ?
[10:02]  * vish likes the logo more than the icon btw ..;)
[10:03] <humphreybc> I have to agree with vish on that one too
[10:04] <vish> thorwil: one issue with the 256 px icon , it _will_ be scaled down , thats why most of the 256px icons are tested how they look at 64px too
[10:04] <thorwil> vish: partly scaling issues, yet. the icon concentrates on providing a hint what quickshot is about, while for the logo, looking good comes first
[10:07] <thorwil> vish: scaling it as bitmap is a dumb idea. should i made lines in the 256 px version wide enough so they will be 1px at 64px? ridiculous
[10:08] <vish> thorwil: yeah , thats why the 256 px icons are ridiculous :) , but thats how they work.. they scale down 4 times , hence lines are usually 4px thick
[10:08] <vish> thorwil: the 256 px are never used anywhere, its given in the readme though , not my idea :)
[10:09] <vish> thorwil: also, i dont know if others would know by looking at the icon as to it function.. it seems to relate to us since we know what it does.. i'd still prefer the logo one and try to scale it.. but your call .. ;)
[10:21] <thorwil> vish: that's not quite what i get out the README. already found 1 and 2 px wide lines and icons with nothing you can call an outline at all
[10:22] <vish> thorwil: its everything, not the lines alone , everything needs to be in multiples of 4 , the whole icon size , the margins, etc..
[10:25] <thorwil> vish: what's the reason to not work at 64px, then?
[10:26] <thorwil> wait, gotta ask them
[10:26] <vish> thorwil: beats me.. i still wonder that.. still not sure why/where we use 256 px icons..
[11:20] <nisshh> popey: did you manage to compile the manual in the end?
[11:22] <popey> yes!
[11:22] <popey> I CAN HAZ PDF!
[11:22] <nisshh> haha
[11:22] <nisshh> popey: so, what do you think so far?
[11:23] <popey> not had much chance to read it yet
[11:23] <nisshh> also, be aware that i havent gotten all the chapters in the branch yet
[11:23] <nisshh> right
[11:24] <nisshh> popey: any idea what you want to do yet? (edit/grammar check/consistency checking)
[11:25] <popey> well, the initial idea was grammar, consistency check, test
[11:25] <nisshh> right
[11:25] <nisshh> still want to do that or have you changed your mind?
[11:27] <popey> yeah, just not had a chance to look at it since I compiled it last night
[11:27]  * popey is at work
[11:28] <nisshh> right
[11:28] <nisshh> thought you might be
[15:46] <popey> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ --> link on right to tradepub  for ubuntu manual download
[15:48] <nisshh> popey: i saw that the other day, they ripped it off our site
[15:48] <nisshh> bloody amateurs
[15:48] <popey> http://ubuntugeek.tradepub.com/c/pubRD.mpl/?pc=w_ubun01
[15:48] <nisshh> yea
[15:48] <popey> he's a uk person
[15:49] <nisshh> yea
[15:49] <nisshh> popey: you home from work now?
[15:50] <popey> no
[15:50] <popey> i have an appointment with a pint of beer directly after work
[15:50] <nisshh> ah ok
[15:50] <nisshh> hehe
[15:50] <popey> will ping you when I'm back home
[15:50] <nisshh> sure
[15:51] <nisshh> popey: just so i get the time difference, your in the UK correnct?
[15:51] <nisshh> correct*
[15:51] <popey> ya
[15:51] <nisshh> ok
[15:52] <nisshh> popey: i just tried to download the manual on tradepub there, and its asking me for all my details, WTF!?
[15:52] <popey> yeah
[15:52] <popey> its an affiliate site
[15:52] <popey> he gets a kickback for each download
[15:52] <nisshh> a kickback?
[15:52] <popey> its not the first time he's done that
[15:52] <popey> money
[15:52] <nisshh> ah
[15:52] <nisshh> what a douch
[15:52] <popey> just plain rude given how much time you lot put in
[15:52] <nisshh> yea
[15:53] <nisshh> i mean, itd be ok if he linked to the site
[15:53] <nisshh> but that is rediculous!
[15:53] <nisshh> popey: does humphreybc know?
[15:55] <popey> i suspect so
[15:55] <popey> it was tweeted months ago
[15:55] <popey> Chris Pirillo started it iirc
[15:55] <popey> and that ubuntu-geek guy just picks up links and posts them with zero thought
[15:55] <nisshh> yea
[15:55] <nisshh> i wanna punch that guy in the face
[15:58] <popey> heh
[15:58] <nisshh> :)
[15:58] <popey> you could send him a polite email pointing out the error of his ways
[15:59] <nisshh> i suspect that would just warrant an agry reply about him needing the money
[16:36] <flan> nisshh, I think I just had an evil idea.
[16:36] <flan> Deliciously so, of course.
[16:37] <nisshh> flan: hmmm?
[16:38] <nisshh> flan: whats your idea?
[16:38] <flan> Present Quickshot in AppDevWeek as a "howto", clone the live UMP data-set, and try to get participants to capture real data for merging back into the core tree.
[16:38] <flan> (Cloned so I can give them admin access to the demo server, for full immersion)
[16:38] <nisshh> flan: you mean use the session in order to get people to take the manual screenshots?
[16:38] <flan> Yes.
[16:39] <flan> Under the pretense of teaching them how to use it for their own projects./
[16:39] <nisshh> flan: holy shit! your a freaking genious! :)
[16:39] <nisshh> flan: so, do you need my help?
[16:39] <flan> If you're available, I wouldn't mind having someone to keep me from getting too technical.
[16:39] <flan> But I think I can manage.
[16:40] <nisshh> ok
[16:40] <nisshh> flan: if your sure, make sure you schedule a place, there arent many left
[16:40] <nisshh> sorry, not a place, a time
[16:40] <flan> I took the one right after "writing documentation with Mallard"
[16:40] <nisshh> ah cool
[16:40] <flan> It seemed appropriate.
[16:40] <flan> More likely to have a similar crowd.
[16:41] <flan> Er... interested crowd*
[16:41] <nisshh> hehe
[16:42] <nisshh> flan: ill make sure i hang around in the channel when your session is on
[16:42] <nisshh> just in case
[16:42] <flan> Thanks.
[16:42] <nisshh> :)
[16:57] <flan> Is it wrong to have a playlist of nothing but remixes of FFV's Battle on the Big Bridge?
[16:58] <nisshh> yes
[16:58] <flan> Aww. :(
[16:59] <nisshh> lol
[16:59] <nisshh> flan: you need some better music
[16:59] <flan> Says you.
[16:59] <nisshh> flan: my playlist is over 3800 items
[16:59] <flan> Small.
[17:00] <flan> I didn't meant to say this was all I have. Just that it's all I'm listening to at the moment.
[20:05] <flan> No bugs yet, jenkins?
[20:06] <jenkins> I have just started on it whilst i wait for latex to download. can you assign the icon to the windows and the error dialog needs to comform to gnome hig where would i edit it? I can't see it in glade
[20:06] <flan> The dialogues aren't in Glade.
[20:06] <flan> What do you need to change?
[20:07] <flan> Everything's created dynamically in gui/dialogue.py
[20:07] <flan> As for the icons, yes, just tell me where the file is, relative to data/ui/, and I'll get that working today.
[20:08] <jenkins> there should be a 12 px border around the main box, and 12px between each of the elements
[20:08] <ChrisWoollard> evening jenkins
[20:08] <flan> If thorwil gave us a .ico for the website (or a suitable alternative image), put it in server/quickshot/public and add an appropriate header to quickshot/templates/common/header.mako
[20:09] <flan> Remove the old favicon.ico, if it becomes redundant as a result.
[20:09] <flan> Oh. Yeah, just find out what to call or pass to the box in the GTK docs (pygtk + box) and set that in dialogue.py.
[20:10] <flan> You should only have to change it in the private function at the top.
[20:11] <jenkins> all the art work is in  https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/quickshot_art  I have just pussed the icon into the data/ui folder . i tried assigning it in glade but it did not work
[20:11] <jenkins> hey ChrisWoollard
[20:13] <ChrisWoollard> How is life treating you
[20:14] <jenkins> I am good thanks, your self
[20:14] <ChrisWoollard> I am ok. I am getting a bit fed up with writting this job application form. + my meeting is later
[20:17] <jenkins> o yea I will pop in, good luck . Please ping me before it starts
[20:17] <ChrisWoollard> np
[20:17] <ChrisWoollard> will do
[20:18] <flan> It's not gonna work if you assign it in Glade. Not yet, anyway.
[20:18] <flan> With the exception of the windows that are loaded as-is, like graphics_confirm.
[20:18] <flan> Assign everything in Glade, though.
[20:18] <flan> I'll just copy the icon from the parent to the internal window model.
[20:18] <jenkins> ok I will go through assiging in glade
[20:19] <flan> Or... maybe I can just let you do that.
[20:19] <flan> It'll be one line.
[20:19] <flan> Gimme a moment to write it.
[20:20] <flan> In base.py, where other attributes are being copied from content.parent, add the following: "self.set_icon(content.parent.get_icon())"
[20:20] <flan> That should cause everything to get pulled from Glade.
[20:23] <jenkins> ok thanks I will give it a tyr
[20:32] <jenkins> flan: are you sure you mean base.py? I added it to project_selection.py with all the other content parent stuff and that worked
[20:32] <flan> I'm sure I mean base.py.
[20:32] <flan> Oh, wait.
[20:32] <flan> No,.
[20:32] <flan> You're right.
[20:32] <flan> I meant every child of base.py.
[20:33]  * flan braindead.
[20:33] <jenkins> I will copy that into every file
[20:33] <flan> Every file that has a class that inherits from base.BaseWindow, not gtk.Window.
[20:33] <jenkins> ok will do
[20:33] <flan> I'm sure you'll notice the difference ins tructure, though
[20:33] <flan> They look nothing alike.
[20:41] <jenkins> http://tinypic.com/r/j0lkiu/7 quickshot with the new logo and icon!
[20:50] <flan> It almost looks like a real program!
[20:50] <jenkins> lol
[20:50] <flan> So, do you want to handle changing the server's icon, too, or should I do that?
[20:51] <flan> Also, thorwil, do you have a mini-logo I could use for the server's header area? Alternatively, any objection to me using the same reference material, but moving the text to teh right of the icon and using that?
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> ping jenkins
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> meeting started
[20:59] <jenkins> ready to watch ChrisWoollard :)
[21:03] <ChrisWoollard> thx
[21:04] <jenkins> everyone join #ubuntu-meeting and support ChrisWoollard
[21:04] <ChrisWoollard> I am glad i am not first. Then i can watch how it is done
[21:05] <jenkins> i agree
[21:16] <thorwil> flan: rough something in so i can see the size you desire and ask me again tomorrow
[21:16] <thorwil> flan: didn't make an ico so far. really hate the thought of trying to bring the logo down to 16px. using the icon would be easy, though
[21:17] <thorwil> flan: cool to see you use mako. now i have to run, cya!
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> this may take a while.
[21:18] <jenkins> I was thinking the same
[21:20] <jenkins> they really quized ben when he had his but this appears to be easier. ben was applying for a different area of the world though
[21:22] <ChrisWoollard> nissh had his in the same region as be
[21:22] <ChrisWoollard> n
[21:22] <ChrisWoollard> he had a hard time too.
[21:22] <jenkins> I think they were really tough
[21:22] <ChrisWoollard> I also wonder if it makes a difference that there are a lot of people to get through
[21:23]  * jenkins has written his i like chris text up in gedit
[21:25] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[21:25] <jenkins> I was thinking that a lot of people may make them quicker
[21:27] <ChrisWoollard> you should have done yours too.
[21:29] <jenkins> I should have done :(
[21:29] <jenkins> although at this rate i would have fallen asleep by the time it reached me
[21:31] <ChrisWoollard> i was hoping that half the people would have forgotton to turn up
[21:32] <jenkins> that does usually happen
[21:57] <ChrisWoollard> I am up next.
[21:58] <jenkins> cool
[22:04] <ChrisWoollard> Yay.
[22:04] <ChrisWoollard> I am now an Ubuntu Member
[22:05] <jenkins> nice one :) they so want to get them completed now
[22:05] <ChrisWoollard> I noticed.
[22:05] <ChrisWoollard> They did like my testimonials :)
[22:12] <dutchie> anybody interested in helping the a11y team come up with personas feel free to join #ubuntu-accessibility now
[22:53] <dutchie> a11y discussion finished, see http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/WkO4TZbvWt for the fruits of our labour
[23:29] <daker> ChrisWoollard, congrats!!