[03:16] <schatten> hola
[08:35]  * apw yawns
[08:37] <apw> ogra, that linux-meta-ti-omap4 work out for you?
[14:00] <ogra> #startmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is ogra.
[14:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:00] <ogra> who is here =
[14:00] <ogra> ?
[14:00] <dyfet_hospital> im sorta here
[14:00]  * ogra misses the Grue ...
[14:01] <ogra> NCommander, persia, davidm, rsalveti ... around ?
[14:02]  * NCommander waves feebly
[14:03] <ogra> lets give the missing ones a few mins
[14:03] <ogra> ah
[14:03] <ogra> the master of grues
[14:05] <ogra> well, 5 past the hour ... lets start
[14:06] <ogra> [TOPIC] action items
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[14:06] <ogra> NCommander, owns it :)
[14:06] <ogra> * NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
[14:06]  * ogra guesses another c/o
[14:06] <persia> No link to any agenda?
[14:06] <ogra> oops
[14:06] <ogra> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100907
[14:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100907
[14:06] <NCommander> co
[14:07] <ogra> we're getting more and more apport collected bugs though
[14:07] <persia> I saw some traffic in the LP channels about unbreaking retracers in the last week, so progress may be happening, although it's still c/o
[14:07] <ogra> so it might be helpful to have it at some point
[14:07] <NCommander> ogra: I can't fix it until I'm in a place with sufficent bandwidth to easily punt files to the porter box
[14:07] <ogra> yes, understood
[14:07]  * NCommander needs to upload roughly 400MiB worth of stuff to debreak it
[14:07] <ogra> i just dont want to strike it from the agenda
[14:08] <ogra> (the above was just the explanation why)
[14:08] <ogra> * NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support
[14:08]  * ogra guesses thats a c/o too
[14:09] <persia> Might be profitable to have that on debian-boot@
[14:09] <NCommander> Its moving alng
[14:09] <ogra> i think its is discussed on there
[14:09] <NCommander> *along
[14:09] <NCommander> slowly
[14:09] <ogra> persia, but likely not the linaro discussion
[14:09] <NCommander> Made progress with implementation today. Once we have implementation. I'll whack asac
[14:09] <ogra> k
[14:09] <ogra> next one is ...
[14:09]  * persia doesn't know why not, but doesn't care enough
[14:09] <ogra> * NCommander to smoke
[14:09] <ogra> err
[14:09] <NCommander> I quit!
[14:09]  * ogra fixes his copy/paste ...
[14:10]  * NCommander isn't a smoker
[14:10] <ogra> * NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates
[14:10] <ogra> sorry *g*
[14:10] <NCommander> At least, not for the last two months
[14:10] <NCommander> :-P
[14:10] <NCommander> Causing me to have bad habbits. BAH!
[14:10] <NCommander> I'd love to
[14:10] <ogra> wasnt intentional, chromium and pasting is spethial
[14:10] <NCommander> Trying to pull the image came up with a time estimate over a week
[14:10] <NCommander> Will try again tomorrow
[14:10] <ogra> cant you have someone else pull it to an easier accessible location for you ?
[14:11] <NCommander> ogra: that was from the easier accessible location :-/
[14:11] <ogra> ah, bad
[14:11] <NCommander> Some days, the pipe is *really* saturated
[14:11] <ogra> jidgo probably ?
[14:11] <persia> 10k/s from the easier accessible location :)
[14:11] <NCommander> ogra: probably will have to try and use that
[14:11] <NCommander> persia: 10k/m more like it :-/
[14:11] <ogra> ok
[14:11] <persia> 10k/s according to the traffic meters :)
[14:12] <ogra> [TOPIC] Special Items
[14:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Special Items
[14:12] <ogra> .... empty ...
[14:12] <ogra> what is that for ?
[14:12] <NCommander> persia: well, once counting packet loss, I suppose that might be accurate
[14:12] <NCommander> ogra: someplace for us to hang stuff
[14:12] <NCommander> someone added it to the template, and its been C&P'ed since
[14:12] <persia> ogra, It was renamed from "current items" because "current items" confused folk.
[14:12] <ogra> well, both confuses me
[14:12] <ogra> what was current items for ?
[14:12] <NCommander> "Non-regularly scheluded items"
[14:12] <NCommander> :-)
[14:12] <persia> See, most meetings have stuff that gets discussed, solved, and goes away.
[14:13] <ogra> like action items ?
[14:13] <persia> This one mostly checks "standing items", without anything getting sorted.
[14:13] <ogra> no, standing comes afterwards
[14:13] <persia> No.  Action items is verification of leftovers from the previous meeting.
[14:13] <ogra> anyway, not sure we actually need that category
[14:14] <NCommander> ogra: just skip it next time if its blank
[14:14] <persia> But meetings generally discuss stuff, and that stuff usually changes, and the main focus of the meeting is currently called "special items".
[14:14] <ogra> [TOPIC] Standing Items
[14:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[14:14] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:14] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10.html
[14:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10.html
[14:14]  * ogra wonders how they differ
[14:14] <ogra> oh WOW !
[14:14] <ogra> i like that trendline
[14:15] <NCommander> ogra: that's how they differ :-)
[14:15] <ogra> to bad pitti is on vacation and cant fix it
[14:15] <NCommander> ogra: see, we're way ahead of the curve for once!
[14:15] <ogra> yeah
[14:15] <ogra> we should keep it that way constantly
[14:16] <NCommander> ogra: yeah, but then we go from suddenly looking good to looking like crap the day of release
[14:16] <ogra> nah ... we'll just blame the hardware :P
[14:16] <ogra> thats our big advantage ;)
[14:16] <NCommander> no, that's my advantage
[14:16]  * GrueMaster vote +1
[14:16] <NCommander> you have hardware that consistantly works
[14:16] <ogra> and ?
[14:17] <ogra> we can blame it still :)
[14:17] <ogra> anyway
[14:17] <ogra> NCommander, three items for you on that chart ... how is it going ?
[14:17] <ogra> oh, wait, just two
[14:17] <ogra> three for the spec
[14:17] <ogra> one is GrueMaster's
[14:18] <GrueMaster> Now that I have an image I can test and finish that todo.
[14:18] <ogra> NCommander, i think he is still stuck because you didnt give him a test procedure ?
[14:18] <ogra> ah
[14:18] <ogra> great
[14:18] <NCommander> ogra: he managed to test the upgrade usecase
[14:18] <ogra> can you do that before friday ?
[14:18] <NCommander> Fresh install is still broken pending libd-i/base-installer crud
[14:18] <ogra> so we dont have it on the plate in the release meeting
[14:18] <GrueMaster> I should have enough coffee to do that.
[14:19] <ogra> great
[14:19] <ogra> though see NCommander's remark ...
[14:19] <ogra> might not work :(
[14:19] <ogra> NCommander, what about all the bugs it introduced ?
[14:19] <NCommander> ogra: one bug, that just never got properly squashed
[14:19] <NCommander> generic omap shouldn't try to use NAND.
[14:19] <NCommander> Works great on Dove :-)
[14:20] <ogra> especially the flash-kernel changes that make it run in cases where it shouldnt now
[14:20] <ogra> generic oamp should try nand if nand is available
[14:20] <ogra> and if no flash-kernel.conf exists
[14:20] <ogra> please try to catch these cases
[14:21] <NCommander> ogra: I'll whack it with the clue bat when I get back state side. Can't properly test it from here.
[14:21] <NCommander> It's on my radar, just hard to write code
[14:21] <ogra> k
[14:22] <ogra> i would like to reassign the EDID spec to rsalveti (and rework the WIs for what he did to kernel/u-boot to make it work)
[14:22]  * NCommander def. pulled something in his leg :-/
[14:22] <NCommander> +1
[14:22] <ogra> i actually wanted to talk to him about it here
[14:22] <ogra> but he's absent ... so we'll have to do that offline
[14:22] <NCommander> Take an action item
[14:22] <ogra> oh, good idea
[14:22] <NCommander> (please, I need someone else beside myself to have them)
[14:23] <ogra> [ACTION] ogra to talk to rsalveti about the darn EDID spec, reassigning it and new workitems
[14:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to talk to rsalveti about the darn EDID spec, reassigning it and new workitems
[14:23] <ogra> persia, that leaves one item for you ...
[14:23] <ogra> how's that going ?
[14:24] <ogra> (not even our spec :P )
[14:24] <ogra> oh, one issue from the EDID spec i forgot ...
[14:25] <ogra> dyfet_hospital, where are these MIRs ? (i asked about them a month ago, the question is still not answered on the spec)
[14:25] <ogra> we probably need to close them again
[14:26] <ogra> if we go with rsalveti's solution
[14:26] <persia> I didn't touch any spec stuff in the past week.  One of the items is ~3 hours from complete.  Another is about 6 days from complete + ~6 hours of thought.  I hope to get the first done and the second waiting on CPU power this week.
[14:26] <ogra> "this week" sounds great :)
[14:26] <persia> The last is probably a couple weeks after that.
[14:27] <dyfet_hospital> I found one of them at 611852
[14:27] <ogra> dyfet_hospital, found ? i thought you filed them
[14:27] <ogra> bug 611852
[14:27] <dyfet_hospital> I did, I had to look in launchpad for it
[14:27] <ogra> thats not what the orkitem says
[14:27] <ogra> *work
[14:28] <ogra> "File MIRs for the needed i2c tools ..."
[14:28] <ogra> where are the MIRs for i2c-tools ?
[14:29] <dyfet_hospital> read-edid was also needed
[14:29] <ogra> sure, but what did you use to get the data out of the i2c bus ?
[14:30] <ogra> anyway, please close any MIRs you filed for that spec since we'll reassign it and rework it
[14:30] <dyfet_hospital> Okay
[14:30] <ogra> moving on ...
[14:30] <ogra> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:31] <ogra> NCommander, how about closing or ´unassigning all these thumb2 bugs :P
[14:31] <ogra> (i think i asked last week too :) )
[14:31] <NCommander> ogra: *sigh*, make it an action item
[14:31] <ogra> k
[14:32] <ogra> [ACTION] NCommander to clean up thumb2 assignments from http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html which he definitely wont work on this cycle
[14:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to clean up thumb2 assignments from http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html which he definitely wont work on this cycle
[14:32] <NCommander> Nice way to phrase it :-/
[14:32] <ogra> heh
[14:33] <ogra> well, that gives you the opportunity to still work on some if you like :)
[14:33] <ogra> i actually have to talk to jcrigby about the uboot-imx stuff
[14:33] <ogra> [ACTION] ogra to clearify uboot-imx bugs with jcrigby
[14:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to clearify uboot-imx bugs with jcrigby
[14:34] <ogra> dyfet_hospital, your bugs on that list are all on track ?
[14:34]  * ogra wonders if persia still works on bug 159338
[14:34] <ogra> thats from 2007
[14:35] <ogra> *g*
[14:35] <ogra> anyway, moving on ...
[14:35] <persia> That's about when I stopped finding LP at all useful for tracking bugs :)  There's some issues related to that bug that I keep meaning to examine when I get around to it.
[14:35] <ogra> [TOPIC] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[14:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[14:36] <GrueMaster> I need to see about getting a similar list that shows unassigned armel bugs.
[14:36] <ogra> anyone here from the kernel team ?
[14:36] <ogra> GrueMaster, i think thats a leann tool, you can probably abuse it
[14:36] <persia> GrueMaster, I'm happy to help you derive that.
[14:36] <GrueMaster> cool to both.
[14:37] <ogra> doesnt look like we have any kernel team attendance :(
[14:37]  * ogra sends big thanks to apw though for working on the meta package issue that currently breaks all armel builds
[14:37] <ogra> i tested the omap4 binary kernel today and it seems to run great on the 6 layer panda
[14:38] <GrueMaster> nice
[14:38] <ogra> hopefully we'll have it on the image soon
[14:38] <ogra> apparently there are USB issues on the 8 layer ... fixes pending though
[14:38] <ogra> moving on then, unless anyone else has something for kernel
[14:39] <ogra> [TOPIC] GrueMaster's hour^W^WQA Status
[14:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster's hour^W^WQA Status
[14:39] <GrueMaster> Heh
[14:39] <GrueMaster> Beta release went well for the most part.
[14:39] <ogra> apart from unhappy ES2 users :)
[14:40] <GrueMaster> We have images for all platforms supported by beta.
[14:40] <ogra> but thats my fault completely :)
[14:40] <ogra> yay
[14:40] <GrueMaster> ES2 was too late for beta.
[14:40] <ogra> right
[14:40] <GrueMaster> We even have semi working kubuntu images.
[14:41] <ogra> oh for QA and the kernel ... i heard today that suspend/hibernate are both not expected to work on panda in maverick
[14:41] <ogra> so no need to test them
[14:41] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[14:41] <ogra> (we should probably have a bug open to hide the suspend item in the menu)
[14:41] <GrueMaster> is there a bug on it yet?
[14:42] <ogra> i opened one for the kernel
[14:42] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[14:42] <GrueMaster> Suspend/resume is less critical than booting atm.
[14:42] <ogra> bug 628029
[14:42] <ogra> booting works fine as soon as the meta package is fixed
[14:43] <ogra> [ACTION] ogra to update the title and generalize bug 628029
[14:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to update the title and generalize bug 628029
[14:44] <ogra> moving on ...
[14:44] <ogra> [TOPIC] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:44] <GrueMaster> I think I filed about a dozen bugs during beta last week.  Will add to meeting notes later.
[14:44] <ogra> GrueMaster, yeah, and we need to verify if they still are valid for ES2
[14:44] <dyfet_hospital> I did a number of ftbfs last week, but the ones I recall at the moment were not arm specific
[14:44] <GrueMaster> Most are generic across platforms.
[14:45]  * ogra sees commons-daemon is finally off the list 
[14:45] <persia> I can't seem to replicate the ca-certificates install issue for libservlet2.4-java if someone else wants to retry that, or just give it back.
[14:45] <persia> beta freeze lifted, archive admins processed syncs, hence commons-daemon.
[14:45] <persia> koffice awaits a sponsor
[14:46]  * NCommander scuries out of site
[14:46] <ogra> persia, hmm, i saw the ca-cert issue before
[14:46] <NCommander> *sight
[14:46] <ogra> and it turned out to be moot
[14:46] <ogra> iirc
[14:46] <persia> dyfet_hospital, catch me when you have a shorter nick: let's look at hdf5 a bit deeper.  I'm still stumped, but I think I can target the bit that will make sense to you.
[14:46] <ogra> want an action for that ?
[14:46] <persia> ogra, give it back then: maybe it works this time.
[14:47] <dyfet_hospital> persia: I will probably be feeling better later today
[14:47] <ogra> persia, done
[14:47] <persia> dyfet_hospital, Cool.  22:00 or 23:00 is likely best for me.
[14:47] <ogra> ok, seems you two dont need an action :)
[14:48] <persia> Anyone have any ideas for qimageblitz?  I can't figure out how to make it work for i386 if I fix it for the rest.
[14:48] <ogra> i talked to doko about OO.o ... he said he had an idea and is on it ... please everyone be available with priority in case he needs testing help
[14:49] <ogra> persia, and who cases for i386 ?
[14:49] <ogra> just add your fix :P
[14:49] <ogra> *cares
[14:49] <persia> ogra, Seems to be popular, or so I've heard.
[14:49] <ogra> pfft
[14:49] <ogra> thats so yesterdayish
[14:49] <ogra> anything else for FTBFS ?
[14:50] <persia> chromium-codecs is broken again, for those who like that sort of thing.
[14:50] <ogra> [TOPIC] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:50] <NCommander> they exist
[14:50] <ogra> all images fail currently
[14:50] <ogra> due to omap4 headers being broken in meta somehow
[14:50] <NCommander> s/exist/don't exist/g
[14:50] <GrueMaster> they don't exist.
[14:51] <NCommander> they existed in my morning :-)
[14:51] <ogra> GrueMaster, did you see the cherry i put on top of the .manifest files ? :)
[14:51] <ogra> we have them now
[14:51] <GrueMaster> Yea, noticed a blip in my backscrolll.
[14:51] <ogra> good, have fun with them
[14:51]  * NCommander hugs ogra for that
[14:51]  * GrueMaster does the truffle shuffle for ogra.
[14:52] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ARGH
[14:52] <ogra> and thanks to cjwatson we also have proper web indicies for the preinstalled images
[14:52]  * NCommander reachs for the brain bleach.
[14:52] <ogra> they could prbably need some more text
[14:53] <ogra> NCommander, can you talk to davidm about adding the dove images to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest ?
[14:53] <NCommander> ogra: action item me please
[14:53] <ogra> they are missing there still and i dont know about the commitments
[14:53] <ogra> [ACTION] NCommander to talk to davidm about adding dove to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest
[14:53] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to talk to davidm about adding dove to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseManifest
[14:54] <ogra> thats all from my side abotu images ...
[14:54] <NCommander> sh-shea :-)
[14:54] <ogra> *about
[14:54] <ogra> anything else ?
[14:55] <ogra> [TOPIC] Any other Business
[14:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other Business
[14:55] <ogra> anyone have anything here ?
[14:55] <ogra> mind you ! i will close the meeting if you dont !
[14:56] <ogra> i *really* will !
[14:56] <ogra> for sure i mean, i'm not kidding !
[14:56] <ogra> going once
[14:56] <ogra> going twice ...
[14:56] <ogra> and a third time ...
[14:56] <ogra> adjourned !
[14:56] <ogra> #endmeeting
[14:56] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:56.
[14:57]  * NCommander snores
[14:57] <ogra> yeah, i wasetd 4 mins
[14:57] <ogra> *sniff*
[15:00] <mdz> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is mdz.
[15:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:01] <mdz> cjwatson, Keybuk, hi
[15:01] <mdz> kees sent apologies
[15:01] <mdz> I believe pitti is away
[15:01] <cjwatson> hi
[15:01] <mdz> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:02] <mdz> sabdfl is online but I haven't heard from him
[15:02] <cjwatson> robbiew has once again scheduled our weekly catch-up to clash with the TB, so I'll see what happens when he comes online
[15:02] <mdz> ah, hi
[15:03] <sabdfl> hello hello
[15:03] <oubiwann> mdz: he was on a meeting with us
[15:03] <mdz> Keybuk is marked away but was around earlier
[15:03] <Keybuk> I'm here
[15:03] <mdz> ah hi
[15:04] <mdz> [topic] Action review
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action review
[15:04] <mdz> mdz to draft plan/process for brainstorm
[15:04] <mdz> this is done, draft is on technical-board@
[15:04] <mdz> I got some feedback from sabdfl so far
[15:04] <Keybuk> I saw
[15:04] <cjwatson> it looked fine to me
[15:04] <mdz> the executive summary is: Every 3 months, the Technical Board would review a selection of the most popular items on brainstorm.ubuntu.com, and arrange for project representatives to comment on them.
[15:05] <cjwatson> I can't say I mind either way about when we do the review
[15:05] <Keybuk> the important thing seemed to be just that some review happens
[15:05] <mdz> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html
[15:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html
[15:05] <cjwatson> as long as it's not a single giant epic meeting (and your most recent mail on the subject suggeted it wouldn't it)
[15:05] <mdz> yeah, so the most important bit is the fact that the TB is responsible for making it happen
[15:05] <cjwatson> *suggested it wowuldn't be
[15:05] <cjwatson> argh.  lag
[15:05] <mdz> though not (hopefully) for creating all of the content
[15:06] <cjwatson> delegation :-)
[15:06] <mdz> I put this back on the agenda for this meeting just to confirm it, so we'll come back to that
[15:06] <mdz> cjwatson to review and defraft TB wiki pages to match current governance practice
[15:06] <cjwatson> done an hour or so ago
[15:06] <mdz> thanks
[15:06] <mdz> Keybuk to invoke lamont for ia64/sparc drop
[15:07] <Keybuk> there is an RT ticket filed
[15:07] <cjwatson> this was in progress - lamont was working with bigjools on it
[15:07] <mdz> any further action needed from the TB?
[15:07] <cjwatson> I got an LP patch landed to drop the architectures from cron.germinate, and nuked the installer-* directories
[15:07] <cjwatson> (which was about all I could do to help)
[15:07] <Keybuk> 41039
[15:07] <cjwatson> I don't think sos
[15:07] <mdz> ok, thanks Keybuk
[15:07] <mdz> pitti to follow up with kees on-list (re: Chromium security updates)
[15:08] <mdz> neither pitti nor kees is here today, but does anyone know what happened with this?
[15:08] <Keybuk> buildds are not getting new uploads, binaries and pending builds deleted, and the SQL to delete the series is slowly progressing
[15:08] <mdz> there's been nothing further on the list since that meeting
[15:08] <mdz> so I'm inclined to carry this over
[15:09] <mdz> [topic] Brainstorm proposal [mdz]
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Brainstorm proposal [mdz]
[15:09] <mdz>  [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html
[15:09] <mdz> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html
[15:09] <mdz> so assuming we manage the work appropriately so that it doesn't drop as one big todo list in a short span of time
[15:09] <mdz> are there any other questions or concerns?
[15:10] <mdz> there are two open questions in the proposal
[15:10] <mdz> both to do with how we actually select which ones to comment on
[15:11] <mdz> but I don't see that as a blocker; we can always apply some judgement on the spot if needed
[15:11] <cjwatson> this is the sort of thing I'd prefer we figured out the first time we did it
[15:11] <cjwatson> rather than trying to figure out what the right thing will be in advance
[15:11] <mdz> agreed
[15:11] <mdz> the only potential gotcha is if brainstorm doesn't collect the data we need to make a decision
[15:11] <mdz> which I think is acceptable at this point
[15:12] <mdz> the worst case scenario is that we do some extra work to filter the data when the time comes
[15:12] <mdz> if there's nothing else, I'd like to go ahead and vote on this
[15:13] <mdz> [vote] Brainstorm review proposal in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html
[15:13] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Brainstorm review proposal in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000493.html.
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[15:13] <mdz> +1
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[15:13] <Keybuk> +1
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[15:13] <sabdfl> +1
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[15:14] <mdz> cjwatson was experiencing some lag earlier...
[15:15] <cjwatson> +1
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[15:15] <mdz> #endvote
[15:15] <mdz> [endvote]
[15:15] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[15:15] <mdz> [action] mdz to implement brainstorm reviews as proposed
[15:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mdz to implement brainstorm reviews as proposed
[15:15] <mdz> [topic] Application Review Board [mdz for jono]
[15:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Application Review Board [mdz for jono]
[15:16] <mdz> so jono sent an RFC to the list
[15:16] <mdz> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000483.html
[15:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-September/000483.html
[15:16] <mdz> and got feedback from me, sabdfl, kees, cjwatson and Keybuk
[15:17] <mdz> he asked one more question about the term
[15:17] <mdz> I think if folks here agree that 6 months is an appropriate initial term, then we can close this out
[15:18] <sabdfl> fine by me
[15:18] <mdz> (I do)
[15:18] <cjwatson> I don't see a problem there
[15:19] <mdz> any thoughts on what we should do when that term expires? should these be elected positions like the DMB, or simply appointed?
[15:20] <mdz> I guess we can defer that question until later
[15:20] <sabdfl> even elected positions are still shortlisted by us
[15:20] <mdz> I'll go back to jono and affirm that we can go ahead with setting itup
[15:21] <mdz> [action] mdz to respond to jono re: application review board
[15:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mdz to respond to jono re: application review board
[15:21] <sabdfl> so, i would say stick to direct delegation till we have a use case for broader participation
[15:21] <cjwatson> I'm not sure we can decide that until we know what sort of size the community is
[15:21] <mdz> ok
[15:21] <sabdfl> if the app publication process takes off as we'd like it to, that would be a meaningful improvement on the Apple app approval process :)
[15:22] <mdz> moving on then
[15:22] <mdz> [topic] AOB
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:22] <mdz> I scanned the mailing list and community bugs when putting the agenda together, so I think those are clear
[15:22] <mdz> anything else? going once...
[15:22] <mdz> twice...
[15:22] <Keybuk> sabdfl: to be fair, the bar there is so slow you trip over it on the way in
[15:23] <sabdfl> :)
[15:23] <Keybuk> of course, what we also don't want to end up with is the Android app approval process :)
[15:23] <Keybuk> which is a bit like the Facebook/Skins House Party of processes
[15:23] <sabdfl> indeed
[15:23] <mdz> [agreed] chair for the next meeting (alphabetically) is pitti
[15:23] <MootBot> AGREED received:  chair for the next meeting (alphabetically) is pitti
[15:23] <halvors> Who meeting is this?
[15:24] <sabdfl> halvors: TB
[15:24] <mdz> halvors, technical board
[15:24] <halvors> Ok.
[15:24] <mdz> ...and it's over, thanks all
[15:24] <mdz> #endmeeting
[15:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:24.
[15:24] <sabdfl> thanks mdz, thanks all
[16:03] <czajkowski> mdz: great link earlier on
[16:10] <mdz> czajkowski, thanks for the RT
[16:18] <czajkowski> mdz: no problem it's been RT'd all day lotta folks on my twitter stream have talked about it all day
[17:58] <JFo> o/
[17:59] <bjf> put that down!
[17:59] <JFo> :-(
[17:59] <cking> he's keen
[17:59] <mhall119> lol
[18:00] <jjohansen> \o
[18:00] <cking> o/
[18:00] <kamal> o/
[18:02] <apw>  o/
[18:02] <Sarvatt> 🙌
[18:03] <manjo> o/
[18:03] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is bjf.
[18:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:03] <bjf> #
[18:03] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:03] <bjf> #
[18:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:04] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 9 Blueprints)
[18:04] <JFo> [18:04] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 1 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (up 1)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:04] <JFo> [18:04] <JFo>  * 12 linux kernel bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 2 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (up 1)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 1 linux-ec2 bugs (up 1)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 3 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 1 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:04] <JFo> [18:04] <JFo>  * 13 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[18:04] <JFo> [18:04] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[18:04] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[18:04] <JFo> ..
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:05] <JFo> Summit schedule sent. Saturday is the Triage Summit.
[18:05] <JFo> more vague work ongoing with the Forum
[18:05] <JFo> hopefully more closed out this week
[18:05] <JFo> several items will be postponed out of necessity
[18:05] <JFo> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:06] <cking> Changes this week to fwts:
[18:06] <cking> * handle some inquiries from community
[18:06] <cking> * LP#627959 FADT fix thanks to AceLan + GAS+64 bit addr fixes
[18:06] <cking> * update fwts to 0.18.2 in maverick universe
[18:06] <cking> * start natty branch: CMOS, APCI dumps
[18:06] <cking> ..
[18:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:07] <ogasawara> We've uploaded a new Maverick kernel, 2.6.35-20.29.  Please test.
[18:07] <ogasawara> Kernel Freeze is Thurs Sept 16th, ie ~1 week away.  After Kernel Freeze, we transition to our SRU policy.  My target scenario however will be that we'll have no changes to the kernel beyond kernel freeze.  Also note that Maverick's RC (Release Candidate) date is Sept 30.  I suspect if any last minutes kernel changes do need to happen, an upload will need to occur approx 1 week before the Release Candidate to allow enough
[18:07] <ogasawara>  lead time for builds and assembly of candidate images.
[18:07] <ogasawara> We are again nearing being above the trend line for our overall burn down chart.  We need to start closing out all remaining open work items.  If your name appears in the following list, you have open work items.  Please review if your work item(s) can be marked as DONE or POSTPONED, else get er done.
[18:07] <ogasawara> JFo, sconklin, cking, apw, diwic, tgardner, jjohansen, smb
[18:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.html
[18:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team.html
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10
[18:08] <ogasawara> ..
[18:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:10] <tgardner> smb is on vacation
[18:10] <bjf> tgardner: yes
[18:10] <bjf> a new lucid kernel went into proposed last week ~ 600 commits
[18:10] <bjf> ..
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:11] <JFo> 448 Maverick Bugs (up 80)
[18:11] <JFo> 997 Lucid Bugs (up 39)
[18:11] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:11] <JFo> [18:11] <JFo>   * 225 maverick bugs (up 47)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 166 lucid bugs (up 4: to be converted to regression-release)
[18:11] <JFo> [18:11] <JFo>   * 49 lucid bugs (up 6)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 7 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:11] <JFo> [18:11] <JFo>   * 177 lucid bugs (up 10)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 37 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 18 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 3 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:11] <JFo> [18:11] <JFo>   * 7 lucid bugs (up 3)
[18:11] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[18:11] <JFo> ..
[18:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:12] <JFo> Last weeks bug day was marginally successful due to my e-mail issuhttp://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam/?p=6096es.
[18:12] <JFo> I'd like to have next weeks bug day be on the same bugs, those in the Triaged state.
[18:12] <JFo> I'll be sending out the Bug Day mail later this week.
[18:12] <JFo> We will continue to have the Team Bug Day to address the Top 50 list as half days on Friday and Monday.
[18:12] <JFo> Reviewers, please take a look at your needs-review lists and help us keep the process moving.
[18:12] <JFo> Please also take ownership of your bugs as you work them so we can get them fixed or otherwise off the list.
[18:12] <JFo> There are several subsystems owned by all that need to be reviewed for inclusion in our top 50 list.
[18:12] <JFo> ..
[18:13] <JFo> sigh, that first line is all messed up
[18:13] <JFo> ..
[18:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[18:13] <JFo> Kernel Triage Summit is on Saturday. Blog posts have gone up (http://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam/?p=6096)
[18:13] <JFo> The schedule is on the Fridge Calendar and on the Summit page itself (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/Summit/Maverick).
[18:13] <JFo> I'll continue microblogging and getting others to as well so that it can be as successful and well-attended as possible.
[18:13] <JFo> ..
[18:14] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[18:14] <JFo> o/
[18:14] <bjf> JFo: go
[18:14] <JFo> Had a meeting today with several QA members and triagers concerning regression bugs.
[18:14] <JFo> The Kernel accounts for over 60 percent of the total number of these bug tags.
[18:14] <JFo> We discussed ways to reduce these numbers and I will likely be hosting a talk on this UDS.
[18:14] <JFo> There was also mention of the regression-potential tag and its use or lack thereof.
[18:14] <JFo> The general consensus was that it is not useful to anyone. I am interested in your thoughts on this.
[18:15] <JFo> ogasawara, any preference on if the regression-potential tag goes away?
[18:15] <bjf> i think we should apply some arsenal directly targeting regression bugs
[18:15] <ogasawara> I personally don't leverage the regression-potential tagged bugs as they take a back seat to the regression-released bugs
[18:16] <JFo> additionally there is talk of changing the regression tags as well
[18:16] <JFo> bjf, I agree
[18:16] <JFo> ogasawara, neither do I
[18:16] <tgardner> regression-potential sounds like a bug that hasn't been triaged.
[18:16] <JFo> it isn't a terribly useful tag to me
[18:16] <JFo> tgardner, that is the thinking here as well
[18:16] <ogasawara> JFo: so I'm not opposed to that tag going away
[18:16] <JFo> I think, and I told them, that this can go away with almost no impact to us
[18:17] <JFo> ogasawara, cool, thanks :)
[18:17] <JFo> I figured you would be one of the only people to have an opinion on it :)
[18:17] <JFo> ok, thanks.
[18:17] <JFo> ..
[18:17] <JFo> I have another separate item
[18:18] <bjf> JFo: go again
[18:18] <JFo> we should really take a look at the possibility that abogani fails to provide an -rt kernel
[18:18] <JFo> do we have anything that we could provide?
[18:18] <JFo> in the way of -preempt or -lowlatency?
[18:19] <JFo> I remember our talk tgardner about the duplication of effort
[18:19] <JFo> but the ubuntustudio folks are asking me about it often
[18:19] <JFo> among others
[18:19] <tgardner> which is why -preempt went back into the  -rt kernel.
[18:19] <JFo> ok
[18:20] <tgardner> the folks that should be sponsoring abogani haven't stepped up to the plate
[18:20] <JFo> so if he doesn't release an -rt then there won't be anything?
[18:20] <JFo> I see
[18:20] <bjf> someone had wanted to talk about i855 KMS blacklisting, is that person around?
[18:20] <JFo> ..
[18:20] <bjf> jolan: ^
[18:20] <tgardner> since -rt is a community supported effort, I'm gonna let it die on the vine if nobody is going to care.
[18:21] <JFo> tgardner, understood
[18:21] <JFo> thanks
[18:21] <bjf> thanks everyone
[18:21] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:21.
[18:21] <jolan> bjf: i'm here
[18:21] <JFo> thanks bjf
[18:21] <jolan> doh
[18:21] <bjf> jolan, talk quickly
[18:22] <bjf> jolan: or head over to #ubuntu-kernel
[18:22]  * apw suggests #u-k now the meeting closes
[18:22] <jolan> ill go to u-k
[18:22] <kamal> thanks bjf
[18:22] <bjf> jolan: thanks
[18:47] <McPeter> hi all
[18:49] <kinouchou> hello McPeter
[18:49] <McPeter> :)
[18:58] <SpamapS> o/'
[18:58] <Daviey> \o
[18:59] <Daviey> anybody else?
[18:59]  * mathiaz waves 2x
[18:59] <ttx> o/
[18:59] <Daviey> Jazz hands?
[18:59] <Daviey> #startmeeting
[18:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is Daviey.
[18:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:00] <hallyn> \o
[19:00] <jiboumans> o/
[19:00] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:00] <Daviey> jjohansen to provide tests for bug 582963 and request SRU
[19:00] <hggdh> ~ô~
[19:00]  * Daviey suspects that is a typo in the agenda
[19:00] <jjohansen> yikes is it that time already
[19:00] <jjohansen> :)
[19:00] <Daviey> I assume it's really regarding bug #574910
[19:01] <zul> heylo
[19:01] <sommer> o//
[19:01] <Daviey> I see there has been a recent flurry of updates with that bug
[19:01] <jjohansen> yes :(
[19:01] <Daviey> jjohansen, Can you comment further, or are we still blocked?
[19:01] <jjohansen> and I was in the middle of composing a reply to alex
[19:02] <Daviey> doh
[19:02] <jjohansen> Daviey: I submitted my patch, but it doesn't look like its in the .43 proposed kernel
[19:02] <Daviey> darn
[19:02] <jjohansen> I am checking to see if it got queued to the next one or accidentally dropped
[19:03] <smoser> o/
[19:03] <Daviey> jjohansen, OK, great - do you want to look into that, and we carry on with it later in the meeting?
[19:03] <jjohansen> Daviey: sure
[19:03] <shringo> o/
[19:03] <Daviey> (great)
[19:03] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Maverick development (jib)
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick development (jib)
[19:03] <jiboumans> We just started the cycle; complexity wise we should be fine. Division should be about 2/3 bug fixing, stabilizing, testing, etc and 1/3 remaining work items. If anyone feels there are red flags, blockers or too high load, please let me and ttx know asap. Over to you ttx
[19:04] <ttx> right
[19:04] <ttx> just wanted to give a status of RC bugs
[19:04] <Daviey> ttx, Are you moving onto Status for RC bugs?
[19:04] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Status for RC bugs (ttx)
[19:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status for RC bugs (ttx)
[19:05] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus is up to date
[19:05] <ttx> I know Daviey should fix the first 3 i nthe list quite quickly
[19:05] <ttx> The third one is more complex, Bug 627963
[19:05] <ttx> Daviey: any luck on that one ?
[19:06] <Daviey> ttx, Blocked on upstream last i saw
[19:06]  * Daviey will poke
[19:06] <ttx> ok
[19:06] <hggdh> I would like to add bug 622818 to, at least, the critical/high bug list
[19:06] <ttx> smoser: news on Bug 623609 ?
[19:06] <ttx> hggdh: will do
[19:06] <smoser> no news there.
[19:07] <Daviey> ttx, Following the meeting - i'll send a poke to upstream.
[19:07] <smoser> i've not made any progress on it today.
[19:07] <Daviey> .. regarding all the bugs we are waiting on them for
[19:07] <ttx> ok, keep us posted :)
[19:07] <Daviey> wilco
[19:07] <Daviey> [ACTION] Daviey to contact upstream eucalyptus, regarding issues that seem to be blocked.
[19:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to contact upstream eucalyptus, regarding issues that seem to be blocked.
[19:07] <ttx> People assigned to any of the "Other Critical/High Maverick bugs"  should be working on their targets
[19:08] <ttx> And finally, the lucky ones that don't have any should look for bugs to take in the "Other Maverick bugs (targets of opportunity)" list !
[19:08] <ttx> that's all for me, unless there are questions
[19:09] <Daviey> ttx, thanks for the update.
[19:09] <Daviey> [TOPIC]  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:   Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:09] <hggdh> from here, life is good, Eucalyptus seems almost stable
[19:09] <Daviey> splendid
[19:09] <hggdh> as I commented last week, we (QA) will soon be proposing some changes to regression-* bugs
[19:10] <hggdh> but, right now, we are still building up the case
[19:10] <hggdh> (use case)
[19:10] <hggdh> apart from that, nothing
[19:10] <Daviey> hggdh, Where will these proposals be documented?  u-devel-discuss ?
[19:10] <Daviey> Does anyone have anything they need from QA or specifically hggdh ?
[19:11] <hggdh> Daviey: they will be discussed on next bug-squad meeting, and then on the -dev ML
[19:11] <SpamapS> aww
[19:11] <SpamapS> FUN left
[19:11] <SpamapS> :(
[19:11] <Daviey> (TBC, i've been speaking with hggdh directly out of band )
[19:11] <Daviey> hggdh, you rock.... thanks!
[19:11] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:11] <jjohansen> Hrmm where to begin
[19:12] <Daviey> jjohansen, Any update on bug 574910?
[19:12] <jjohansen> ah yes, the patch is committed and queued up for the next proposed kernel
[19:12] <Daviey> rockin'
[19:12] <Daviey> jjohansen, I guess there isn't a short ETA for that?
[19:13] <jjohansen> it will be in the .16 EC2 kernel only not .44 generic/server kernels
[19:13] <jjohansen> hopefully sooner than later
[19:13] <Daviey> jjohansen, Thanks for that - hopefully it will land soon :)..  Does the bug mention that?
[19:13] <ttx> jjohansen: there still seem to be people complaining on that bug
[19:13] <jjohansen> the last proposed kernels got backed up behind security updates, and there has been a flurry of action recently to try and fix that
[19:14] <ttx> is it bug confusion, or could it be real ?
[19:14] <jjohansen> Daviey: it doesn't yet
[19:14] <Daviey> jjohansen, Can i action that?
[19:14] <jjohansen> the recent flurry of activity on the bug, doesn't seem to be related to the patch I submitted
[19:14] <smoser> its unrelated to jjohansen's patch.
[19:14] <Daviey> [ACTION] jjohansen to follow up on bug 574910 with the current direction
[19:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen to follow up on bug 574910 with the current direction
[19:14] <jjohansen> but appears to be other issues causing load problems
[19:15] <Daviey> jjohansen, But to confirm, you and your team have it "in hand"?
[19:15] <jjohansen> Some of these should be addressed in the most recent proposed kernels
[19:16] <jjohansen> Daviey: we are working on it, but there seems to be multiple different bugs being hit here all getting referenced under high load average
[19:16] <Daviey> :(
[19:17] <Daviey> jjohansen, I just wanted to clarify that if we move on from this subject now, activity will still happen?
[19:17] <jjohansen> but yes as we can pick out the information we are working on them
[19:17] <jjohansen> yes
[19:17] <Daviey> ie, not blocked on anything we can help with.
[19:17] <Daviey> jjohansen, awesome
[19:17] <Daviey> jjohansen, OK.. the next item on my kill list for you is: pv-ops kernel status update
[19:17] <jjohansen> Well the server team could join the kernel team and help with the bug back log
[19:17] <Daviey> jjohansen, Happy to, if your team wants our backlog :)
[19:18] <jjohansen> hehe, I think you would get the short end of the stick (I think we are getting back up in the 10,000 bug territory again)
[19:18] <Daviey> !
[19:19] <jjohansen> We have had some interaction with Amazon on bug #613083 and hope to see some progress on it soon
[19:19] <Daviey> smoser, Are you working with jjohansen and co, tostay updated with what is happening?
[19:20] <smoser> yes. i'm composing a amazon targetted mail right now
[19:20] <jjohansen> Bug #606373 is a race, that is either in upstart or the tty layer that I didn't manage to track down by the end of last week
[19:20] <Daviey> rocki'.. so there is some progress - but not a fix yet?
[19:20] <jjohansen> Daviey: yep smoser is rocking
[19:20] <Daviey> Okay.. i guess that we can leave it suitable hands
[19:21] <jjohansen> Daviey: not fixed but we should see progress this week
[19:21] <Daviey> [ACTION] jjohansen and smoser to report on bug 613083 bug 606373 and next meeting
[19:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen and smoser to report on bug 613083 bug 606373 and next meeting
[19:21] <Daviey> jjohansen, Ok.. that is everything on my kill list for you.. did you have anything else to raise?
[19:22] <jjohansen> hrmm, I thought I did but I am not finding it in my notes, so it is probably an AA bug instead of something your interested in
[19:23] <Daviey> jjohansen, Ahh.. ok - if you remember what it is - can you let one of us know? :)
[19:23] <jjohansen> yep
[19:23] <Daviey> anybody have anything to bring to jjohansen ?
[19:23] <zul> nope
[19:23] <Daviey> jjohansen, Ok.. thanks for your effort
[19:23] <Daviey> \o/
[19:23] <zul> my bug has been fixed
[19:24] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:24] <Daviey> I guess he isn't here.. oh well :(
[19:24] <mathiaz> Daviey: he waved
[19:25] <mathiaz> Daviey: let's wait a little bit...
[19:25] <sommer> ooh ooh, I'm here
[19:25] <sommer> heh, not much new to report though
[19:25] <Daviey> sommer, o/
[19:25] <mathiaz> sommer: is there a section about puppet in the server guide?
[19:25] <sommer> I think most of the bugs are fixed for maverick, and I might have a puppet section done before thursday
[19:25] <sommer> mathiaz: in the works
[19:25] <Daviey> sommer, you really are on fire.
[19:25] <mathiaz> sommer: ok
[19:25] <mathiaz> sommer: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/u/mathiaz-ubuntu-10.10.html
[19:25] <Daviey> sommer, Is there anything you need from us?
[19:26] <mathiaz> sommer: ^^ shows that I'm supposed to review a section about puppet
[19:26] <sommer> mathiaz: ya, I'll probably get something in tomorrow ish
[19:26] <mathiaz> sommer: ok - I may have time to review it
[19:26] <sommer> Daviey: I think I'm good at the moment
[19:27] <Daviey> mathiaz / sommer: Okay, can you gues sync up tomorrow?
[19:27] <mathiaz> sommer:when is documentation freeze?
[19:27] <sommer> mathiaz: thursday
[19:27] <Daviey> Hmm
[19:27] <Daviey> This isn't in archive docs, tho is it?
[19:27] <mathiaz> Daviey: for maverick IIRC there is still an ubuntu-server guide package
[19:28] <Daviey> I thought this was actioned to be dropped for maverick?
[19:28] <sommer> mathiaz: it shouldn't get built for maverick... the instructions were dropped from the makefile
[19:28] <Daviey> ok..
[19:28] <sommer> so it should be only available in HTML and PDF
[19:29] <Daviey> [ACTION] sommer and mathiaz to sync up regarding puppet server guide
[19:29] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer and mathiaz to sync up regarding puppet server guide
[19:29] <Daviey> Any other comments regarding the awesome server guide?
[19:29] <hallyn> it's awesome
[19:29] <Daviey> \o/
[19:29] <Daviey> thanks sommer, you rock.
[19:29] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[19:29] <jiboumans> sommer++
[19:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[19:29] <sommer> thank you guys :-)
[19:30] <Daviey> I guess kim0 isn't here :(
[19:30] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:31] <Daviey> Anything?
[19:31] <zul> almost breaking the record for shortest meeitng
[19:31] <RoAkSoAx> couple of cluster stack related package are already in main, we still waiting for cluster-glue, cluster-agents, pacemaker
[19:31] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, What is the delay?
[19:33] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, ?
[19:33] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: Well it's complicated. In simple words, upstream keeps the packaging as it is, and they dont wanna do library split, which was required by ubuntu developers
[19:33] <Daviey> :(
[19:33] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Is this still targeted at Maverick?
[19:34] <RoAkSoAx> but we are hoping that they do a final review and accept packages as they are since upstream is gonna keep them as they are (upstream + deabian)
[19:34] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yes, it is still targeted for maverick otherwise we might end up having a non-working cluster stack, *or* RHCS without pacemaker support
[19:34] <Daviey> :(
[19:34] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Are the relevant exceptions raised?
[19:35] <RoAkSoAx> we will just wait for a final review before actually going forward on removing pacemaker support to RHCS
[19:35] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Is there anything you need from the team?
[19:36] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: support for getting the cluster related packages in main :)
[19:36] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, In what sense, a MIR report?
[19:37] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: MIR's are filed, just hold on a sec
[19:37] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Okay.. Don't rushg to find it this moment.. Can i ask that you send an update to ubuntu-server mailing list?
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> bug #527155, bug #527195, and bug #527142 (which exaplins the situation)
[19:38] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Is it okay for you to send a further update to the mailing list?
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: the situation is better explained in cluster-glue MIR, by ivoks
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: sure!
[19:39] <Daviey> Current progress, what is blocking and if you or ivoks need help!
[19:39] <Daviey> Rockin'
[19:39] <Daviey> [ACTION] RoAkSoAx to email ubuntu server mailing list with update of cluster stack progress for maverick.
[19:39] <MootBot> ACTION received:  RoAkSoAx to email ubuntu server mailing list with update of cluster stack progress for maverick.
[19:39] <Daviey> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:40] <Daviey> Regrettably, Tuesday 2010-09-14 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[19:40] <Daviey> thanks folks!
[19:40] <Daviey> #endmeeting
[19:40] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:40.
[20:12] <Status0> Good eve. :-) and happy new years (Jewish Holliday)
[20:31] <ivarela> hi pascalc
[20:49] <highvoltage> ogra, ogra_cmpc: Just a reminder that emea-rmb-board meeting is in 10 minutes
[20:51] <ogra_cmpc> Status0, isnt that tomorrow ? (not trhat i'm a jew, but someone said its the 8th)
[20:51] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, indeed
[20:51] <ogra_cmpc> i havent forgotten ;)
[20:51] <halvors> Its today...
[20:51] <halvors> Or am i wrong?
[20:51] <pleia2> starts the evening of the 8th
[20:52] <Status0> ogra_cmpc, yes, but we say like "marry crismes" / "happy new years" also before. :-)
[20:52] <ogra_cmpc> ah
[20:52] <halvors> Did you mean the Europe board?
[20:52] <halvors> The next meeting is scheduled for September 7th 2010, 20:00 UTC and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
[20:53] <halvors> Is this wrong?
[20:53] <ogra_cmpc> halvors, no, thats right
[20:53] <halvors> I am confused...
[20:53] <ogra_cmpc> i was referring to somethig from the backlog :)
[20:53] <halvors> Also in 10 minutes.
[20:53] <halvors> Oh.
[20:53] <halvors> Sorry.
[20:53] <halvors> I didn't understand that :(
[20:53] <ogra_cmpc> no worries
[20:53] <halvors> :D
[20:55] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: yeah I just explicitely told you because I already reminded the rest of the council in another channel :)
[20:55] <ogra_cmpc> ah, k
[20:56] <phillw> Hi
[20:56] <ogra_cmpc> phew looks like it will be a long meeting today
[20:57] <vincentxavier> hi
[20:57] <drubin> ogra_cmpc: Should go quick though.
[20:57]  * czajkowski is still in the middle of her dinner 
[20:58] <czajkowski> highvoltage: you're chair :D
[20:58] <highvoltage> czajkowski: I know, you've only reminded me of that about every day for the last month ;)
[20:58] <ogra_cmpc> lol
[20:58] <czajkowski> highvoltage: my turn to prod you :D
[20:59]  * drubin will drive the LP membership waggon
[20:59] <highvoltage> well, the time has come
[20:59] <highvoltage> #startmeeting
[20:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:59. The chair is highvoltage.
[20:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:59] <highvoltage> Good evening everyone, I'll be the chair for the meeting, but please don't sit on me
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[20:59] <bognarandras> hi
[20:59] <maiatoday> hi
[20:59] <Dyth> :D
[20:59] <halvors1> Hi!
[20:59] <fabrizioballiano> hi highvoltage and everybody!
[20:59] <inetpro> good evening
[20:59] <kinouchou> hi
[21:00] <costales> Hi! ;)
[21:00] <vincentxavier> hi
[21:00] <highvoltage> the regional board council is seveaz, popey, czajkowski, highvoltage, ogra, stgraber, drubin
[21:00] <highvoltage> do we have quorum?
[21:00] <czajkowski> o/
[21:00] <highvoltage> o/
[21:00] <ogra_cmpc> \o
[21:00] <drubin> window up
[21:00] <drubin> window up
[21:00] <drubin> oops sorry ;/
[21:01] <highvoltage> we need one more, right?
[21:01] <drubin> window up
[21:01] <czajkowski> yup
[21:01] <Kilos> hi
[21:01]  * stgraber waves
[21:01] <ogra_cmpc> drubin, it's getting cold if you open all of them !
[21:01] <highvoltage> stgraber to the rescue
[21:01]  * YoBoY waves
[21:01] <highvoltage> Note:
[21:02] <highvoltage> Only EMEA Council members will vote on membership candidates,
[21:02] <highvoltage> however, when the time comes to review a candidate's application, you may show your support for the candidate by telling us about your experiences of working with the person
[21:02] <highvoltage> Candidates will be called one by one, in order that they appear on our agenda page for this meeting
[21:02] <highvoltage> which can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[21:02] <highvoltage> is xteejx here?
[21:03] <highvoltage> doesn't seem so.
[21:03] <highvoltage> is ttmtt here?
[21:03] <highvoltage> phillw: it seems like you're up next!
[21:03] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] philw
[21:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  philw
[21:03]  * phillw I'm here
[21:03] <highvoltage> phillw: please tell us a bit about yourself
[21:04] <phillw> I started using ubuntu with 9.04, after using unix some years previous. I'm a strong advocate of ubuntu and I hope my wiki page shows just how strongly I feel about ubuntu
[21:05] <drubin> All other candidates it might help speed things up if you could please write down in a text editor 2/3 lines about your self so you can copy paste when time comes. :)
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> ok
[21:05] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
[21:05] <fabrizioballiano> fine
[21:05] <drubin> phillw: In what way are you an advocate?
[21:05] <vincentxavier> drubin: already thinking about it
[21:05] <drubin> ie some of the highlights.
[21:06] <phillw> I am active in doing installs for other people & then offering support to them
[21:06] <highvoltage> phillw: what do you do as part of the lubuntu team?
[21:06] <phillw> I keep the wiki area updated and also host the test iso's on my server.
[21:07] <phillw> not added yet, but in my testimonial is that I now also host a forum for the ubuntu-youth-team
[21:07] <highvoltage> any further questions before we vote?
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> do you do any programming ?
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> (regarding your plans for lubuntu a11y)
[21:08] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: you don't regard assembly as programming!? ;)
[21:08] <ogra_cmpc> looks like a quite big task to add accessibility there
[21:08] <drubin> pretty decent forum post count http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=824544
[21:09] <phillw> no, a programmer I am not, but I have been taught how to compile and test releases of pcmanfm
[21:09]  * drubin is ok to vote.
[21:09] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, well, i was rather meaning UI stuff integration work etc :)
[21:09] <ogra_cmpc> so what are your plans regarding a11y in lubuntu, how do you plan to bring it forward ?
[21:09] <hobgoblin> can i " show your support for the candidate by telling us about your experiences of working with the person"
[21:10] <highvoltage> hobgoblin: by all means!
[21:10] <hobgoblin> I see phillw doing good work on the forum almost daily in my role as a moderator there - I also have a lot to do with him in irc channel support in the Beginner Team support channel. Very patient and thorough with people.  I have a lot of respect for the work he does.
[21:10] <hobgoblin> then ^^
[21:10] <hobgoblin> thank you :)
[21:10] <czajkowski> phillw: have you gotten or do you plan to get involved with the Ubuntu accessibility team ?
[21:10] <drubin> btw I have also seen phillw's work in #ubuntu-beginners channel.
[21:11]  * ogra_cmpc is ready to vote, the above was just an out of interest question because it sonds like a great project 
[21:11] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: ok
[21:11] <highvoltage> [VOTE] Membership status for phillw
[21:11] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Membership status for phillw.
[21:11] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:11] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:11] <phillw> czajkowski: I'm on the mailing list and also registered to the forum area. I also liase with an accessibility site to update them on the work ubuntu is doing
[21:11] <drubin> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:11] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:11] <czajkowski> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:11] <czajkowski> phillw: have you talked to Pendulum
[21:11] <highvoltage> +1 for his overall contributions on lubuntu and the forums
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:11] <stgraber> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:12] <Status0> +1
[21:12] <MootBot> +1 received from Status0. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:12] <highvoltage> #endvote
[21:12] <ogra_cmpc> welcome phillw !
[21:12] <hobgoblin> congrats phillw :)
[21:12] <czajkowski> phillw: congrats
[21:12] <drubin> congrats phillw and welcome
[21:12] <kinouchou> congrats phillw
[21:12] <phillw> thanks :-D
[21:12] <maiatoday> congrats phillw
[21:12] <highvoltage> Status0: please note that only EMEA RMB Council members may vote
[21:12] <highvoltage> phillw: congratiolations and welcome!
[21:13] <Status0> highvoltage, sorry.
[21:13] <halvors1> phillw: congrats :)
[21:13] <highvoltage> bognarandras: are you here?
[21:13] <bognarandras> i'm here
[21:13] <bognarandras> hi
[21:13] <highvoltage> great
[21:14] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] bognarandras
[21:14] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[21:14] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[21:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  bognarandras
[21:14] <bognarandras> first sorry for my bad english, i'm from Hungary
[21:14] <highvoltage> bognarandras: please tell us about yourself!
[21:14] <bognarandras> okay
[21:14] <bognarandras> I am a Hungarian Ubuntu LoCo activist and LoCo Team Member. I was born in 1987. I live in Pécs, Hungary. I graduated from high school as a viticulturist. I got in touch with Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) first and although there were smaller breaks during the first years now I use Ubuntu solely, but I test regularly other GNU/Linux distributions too. I deal with vector graphics in my spare time and I expand my knowledge continuously conc
[21:14] <highvoltage> if anyone else wants to say something about why he should or shouldn't be a member, feel free to speak now too
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> heh, hoary ... that were the times :)
[21:15] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: that was the cycle when edubuntu was born and when we met!
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> bognarandras, did you consider joining the art team ? your work looks great
[21:15] <czajkowski> bognarandras: hey you did the funky graphics http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/hu/node/381
[21:15] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, yeah !
[21:16] <highvoltage> I'm already willing to give bognarandras a +1 just for his artwork contributions, they're great!
[21:16] <bognarandras> ogra_cmpc: i dont think about that, but yes... why not? :)
[21:16] <czajkowski> it's fantastic stuff
[21:16] <ogra_cmpc> :)
[21:16] <drubin> bognarandras: are you involved with planning this Maverick release party?
[21:16] <bognarandras> czajkowski: yes, thats my work
[21:16] <highvoltage> bognarandras: and I'll take you up on your offer on the wiki page for helping other projects, we need some nice artwork on the edubuntu website!
[21:16] <bognarandras> drubin: yes
[21:17] <bognarandras> highvoltage: yes, I know about the edubuntu artwork
[21:17] <czajkowski> bognarandras: so what  would you like to do in the coming cycle ?
[21:18] <bognarandras> and it's need some development
[21:18] <bognarandras> czajkowski: i want to create new stuffs, like banners, badges, logo's for different projects
[21:18] <czajkowski> great
[21:19] <czajkowski> well I'm ready to vote
[21:19]  * ogra_cmpc too
[21:19]  * stgraber too
[21:19] <highvoltage> [VOTE] Membership for bognarandras
[21:19] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Membership for bognarandras.
[21:19] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:19] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:19] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:19] <czajkowski> +1
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:19] <drubin> +1
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:19] <czajkowski> love your artwork :)
[21:19] <highvoltage> +1 for great artwork contributions (and hopefully more to come!)
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:19] <bognarandras> thanks :)
[21:19] <stgraber> +1
[21:19] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:19] <highvoltage> #endvote
[21:19] <drubin> [endvote]
[21:20] <highvoltage> bognarandras: congratiolations and welcome!
[21:20] <ogra_cmpc> welcome bognarandras
[21:20] <kinouchou> congrats bognarandras
[21:20] <bognarandras> thank you very much
[21:20] <halvors> congrats :D
[21:20] <drubin> congradulations!
[21:20] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] maiatoday
[21:20] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[21:20] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  maiatoday
[21:20] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maiatoday
[21:20] <superfly> yay! maiatoday!!
[21:20] <highvoltage> :)
[21:20]  * inetpro votes for maiatoday
[21:21]  * superfly cheers for maiatoday
[21:21]  * Kilos cheers for maiatoday 
[21:21] <drubin> Not really sure if this is ok for me to cheer as well.
[21:21] <ogra_cmpc> geez a testemonial from highvoltage !
[21:21] <highvoltage> maiatoday: want to introduce yourself?
[21:21] <maiatoday> ok
[21:21] <maiatoday> I started using ubuntu after facing heavy software costs while I was studying or piracy. I opted for open source so I could spend the money on hardware.
[21:22] <drubin> but since she is from my loco I think it is wrong to no cheer.
[21:22] <maiatoday> At home congratsI have managed to switch over completely to ubuntu. I do sysadmin on ubuntu machines for close family.
[21:22] <maiatoday> Since the beginning of this year I am on a mission to be more active in the local ubuntu community in my area.
[21:22] <inetpro> and active she is for sure
[21:22] <Kilos> tirelessly
[21:22]  * ogra_cmpc wants a piece of that cake !
[21:23] <ogra_cmpc> but i guess its eaten already :(
[21:23]  * highvoltage had some of that cake :p
[21:23] <maiatoday> yes it only lasted a few minutes
[21:23] <czajkowski> that cake does look great
[21:23] <maiatoday> so I guess one of my missions would be to organise another cake
[21:23] <highvoltage> the cake was not a lie
[21:23] <halvors> Yes :)
[21:23] <czajkowski> maiatoday: are you involved in Ubuntu women, seeing as you've gone about getting many of the women in your family using Ubuntu? how did that go ?
[21:24] <inetpro> maiatoday was instrumental in our re-approval of #ubuntu-za
[21:24] <maiatoday> I have attended some meetings but I feel as if being visible in my area is working for the greater ubuntu-women goal too
[21:24] <drubin> maiatoday: It wasn't a mission it was awesome
[21:24] <czajkowski> maiatoday: that's good too
[21:25] <ogra_cmpc> should we vote ?
[21:25] <highvoltage> [VOTE] Membership for maiatoday
[21:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Membership for maiatoday.
[21:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:25] <highvoltage> +1 [ great loco participation ]
[21:25] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:25] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:25] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:25] <JPM> +1
[21:25] <MootBot> +1 received from JPM. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:25] <drubin> +1
[21:25] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:25] <drubin> JPM: You can't vote
[21:25] <JPM> o
[21:26] <stgraber> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:26] <drubin> JPM: but we take that as support for maiatoday :)
[21:26] <JPM> hehe ok
[21:26] <Omega> Should I vote against so it cancells out?
[21:26] <halvors> So can i vote too :P
[21:26] <JPM> well ok
[21:26] <highvoltage> czajkowski: your vote?
[21:26] <czajkowski> +1
[21:26] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[21:26] <inetpro> maiatoday: o/
[21:26] <highvoltage> #endvote
[21:26] <drubin> congrats maiatoday
[21:27] <kinouchou> welcome maiatoday
[21:27] <maiatoday> thanks for the support everybody
[21:27] <ogra_cmpc> welcome maiatoday
[21:27] <halvors> congrats :D
[21:27] <highvoltage> maiatoday: congratiolations and welcome!
[21:27] <inetpro> very nice job maiatoday
[21:27] <tumbleweed> maiatoday: congrats, glad your arm was twisted :)
[21:27] <fredre2> congrats
[21:27] <ivarela> congrats maia, good job
[21:27] <highvoltage> is Frabeizio around? Sorry, I'm not sure what your nick is
[21:27] <fabrizioballiano> hello everybody, I'm here :)
[21:27] <fabrizioballiano> Fabrizio :)
[21:28] <fabrizioballiano> italian names are always strange
[21:28] <highvoltage> [topic] fabrizioballiano
[21:28] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[21:28] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[21:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  fabrizioballiano
[21:28] <highvoltage> fabrizioballiano: oops, sorry!
[21:28] <fabrizioballiano> never mind!
[21:29] <halvors> fabrizioballiano: I love italy :D
[21:29] <fabrizioballiano> haha great to know, it surely is a beautiful place but has maaany problems :)
[21:29] <czajkowski> fabrizioballiano: you links to your English website and italian website are pretty empty, they're coming soon ?
[21:29] <fabrizioballiano> actually I'm working on them
[21:29] <fabrizioballiano> but the most populous website
[21:29] <fabrizioballiano> is the .net
[21:30] <fabrizioballiano> http://fabrizioballiano.net
[21:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://fabrizioballiano.net
[21:30] <halvors> :D Spend most of my holidays there :)
[21:30] <fabrizioballiano> cause on the net I talk about all my FLOSS projects
[21:30] <drubin> halvors: please keep stuff on topic
[21:30] <fabrizioballiano> while I'm creating the it/com for work things...
[21:30] <halvors> drubin: Ok, sorry :)
[21:30] <fabrizioballiano> (that's why they're late :))
[21:30] <highvoltage> fabrizioballiano: your interests are good, but could you perhaps tell us a bit more about your contributions directly to ubuntu?
[21:31] <ogra_cmpc> fabrizioballiano, did you consider working on the mini remix inside ubuntu to amek it an official image ?
[21:31] <fabrizioballiano> I started working with Ubuntu since 6.0.4
[21:31] <halvors> 6.04 :)
[21:31] <fabrizioballiano> since 4 years working as lead developer of UCK (Ubuntu Customization Kit)
[21:31] <fabrizioballiano> yes sorry, emotion!
[21:31] <halvors> Ok :)
[21:31] <fabrizioballiano> and lead developer for Ubuntu Mini Remix and Ubuntu Italian Remix
[21:32] <highvoltage> fabrizioballiano: how many developers are working on the Ubuntu Italian Remix?
[21:32] <fabrizioballiano> truth or lie?
[21:32] <fabrizioballiano> :)
[21:32] <fabrizioballiano> one, me
[21:32] <fabrizioballiano> that's the same for Ubuntu Mini Remix
[21:32] <fabrizioballiano> while on UCK the team is made by 4-5 people
[21:32] <highvoltage> I'm ready to vote, any further questions?
[21:32] <fabrizioballiano> 2 active (me and a guy called wolf)
[21:33] <fabrizioballiano> ops ok stopping writing :)
[21:33] <ogra_cmpc> fabrizioballiano, so to my above qestion, did you consider to make the mini remix an image that gets built in the ubuntu infrastructure ?
[21:33] <ogra_cmpc> and to live on cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[21:34] <fabrizioballiano> I know I'm not developing "inside" Ubuntu caus all my projects are external but I'm working to spread the ubuntu usage
[21:34] <ogra_cmpc> i imagine many people wuld happily make use of such an image
[21:34] <fabrizioballiano> sure, I told to directly to Mark some time ago about that
[21:34] <ogra_cmpc> well, i mean getting involved with ubuntu development and maintining it as an official derivative
[21:34] <fabrizioballiano> but I couldn't directly reach the guys that managed the Ubuntu ISO generation systems
[21:35] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: I believe that answers your question
[21:35] <fabrizioballiano> so I kept it external
[21:35] <fabrizioballiano> I proposed mark to build
[21:35] <fabrizioballiano> an ISO for every language
[21:35] <ogra_cmpc> fabrizioballiano, they are all in #ubuntu-devel
[21:35] <ogra_cmpc> and more specifically in the ubuntu-cdimage team
[21:35] <czajkowski> fairly friendly bunch of folks to just drop by in IRC
[21:35] <fabrizioballiano> I tried, i'm talking about long time ago so I can't rememeber every detail...
[21:36] <czajkowski> I'm ready to vote anyways
[21:36] <highvoltage> yes, voting time
[21:36] <highvoltage> [VOTE] Membership for fabrizioballiano
[21:36] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Membership for fabrizioballiano.
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[21:36] <czajkowski> -1
[21:36] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:36] <fabrizioballiano> talking about localized isos, i really believe they's important for spreading the OS
[21:37] <fabrizioballiano> thinking about how many people download the official iso and gets only partially translated softwares...
[21:37] <highvoltage> +0 [ some good contributions, but not significant for membership ]
[21:37] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:37] <ogra_cmpc> +0
[21:37] <MootBot> Abstention received from ogra_cmpc. 0 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:37] <fabrizioballiano> in facts the italian remix was downloaded 600 times sine 10.04.1 release
[21:37] <fabrizioballiano> in a few days
[21:37] <fabrizioballiano> :(
[21:37] <drubin> +0 [I like the contributions but not enough for membership]
[21:37] <MootBot> Abstention received from drubin. 0 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:38] <drubin> fabrizioballiano: I would like to see you trying to get your ISO into official ubuntu stack.
[21:38] <highvoltage> stgraber is voting we're just waiting for his wifi to become unfrozen
[21:38] <stgraber> +0 Would appreciate more collaboration with the Ubuntu project itself and its teams.
[21:38] <MootBot> Abstention received from stgraber. 0 for, 1 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:38] <highvoltage> #endvote
[21:38] <fabrizioballiano> I would send you the mails I sent
[21:38] <fabrizioballiano> ...
[21:38] <highvoltage> fabrizioballiano: I'd like to see you become an ubuntu member, and I think we all do
[21:38] <fabrizioballiano> mark said he liked the project, like jeos
[21:38] <fabrizioballiano> anyway...
[21:38] <fabrizioballiano> not that easy as it seem...
[21:39] <highvoltage> fabrizioballiano: perhaps get some of the people that use the italian distro to write something up about it, your wiki page had no testimonials from people you have worked wit
[21:39] <fabrizioballiano> i know
[21:39] <halvors> I know, i have tryed to become an Ubuntu Member for 3 meetings :(
[21:39] <halvors> Its hard...
[21:39] <ogra_cmpc> fabrizioballiano, i like the project too but i agree with drubin's comment above, getting you mini image into ubuntu officially would be a great start
[21:39] <fabrizioballiano> but a lot of users use that
[21:40] <highvoltage> fabrizioballiano: and we can only accept a testimonial from Mark Shuttleworth if he either left it on your wiki page, e-mailed it to us or say it on this channel during the meeting
[21:40] <fabrizioballiano> got an email for sure
[21:40] <ogra_cmpc> fabrizioballiano, highvoltage means a testimonial to the board
[21:40] <highvoltage> halvors: it's really easy if you do what it says on the application page, we make it quite clear that we need good evidence of your contributions, and in particular, testimonials
[21:40] <fabrizioballiano> ok fine
[21:40] <fabrizioballiano> i know
[21:41] <halvors> highvoltage: Ok, i hope for membership this time :)
[21:41] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] costales
[21:41] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[21:41] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 1 against. 4 abstained. Total: -1
[21:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  costales
[21:41] <costales> Hi! ;)
[21:42] <ogra_cmpc> wow, thats a lot of good testimonials
[21:43] <costales> :)
[21:43] <czajkowski> costales: wow
[21:43] <czajkowski> nice wiki page
[21:43] <drubin> costales: I really like your "1help=1coffee" idea
[21:43] <costales> yes, they're great members :)
[21:43] <ogra_cmpc> even from dpm
[21:43] <ivarela> and 1help=1coffe works! I can confirm it.. ;)
[21:43] <costales> drubin: more caffeine xD
[21:44] <highvoltage> yes a recommendation from dpm is quite big1
[21:44] <ogra_cmpc> costales, so when does gufw get a forwarding checkbox that enables my mom to switch on forwarding for my dad's PC through her laptop ? :)
[21:44] <costales> ogra_cmpc, xD it's idea
[21:45] <costales> it's an idea
[21:45] <highvoltage> costales: I notice that you're quite involved with bugs, but you haven't ever uploaded a bug fix. do you plan on becomming involved with motu or another development route perhaps?
[21:45] <costales> did you a bug? :)
[21:45]  * ogra_cmpc is waiting for such a feature since ufw exists :)
[21:45] <ogra_cmpc> costales, not yet, will do ;)
[21:45] <costales> highvoltage, I tried some times create a debs
[21:45] <costales> but it's hard for me
[21:45] <costales> Devid is helping a lot with Gufw
[21:46] <costales> in that point :)
[21:46] <costales> but, yes, i'm very interesting!
[21:46] <halvors> Yes, does launchpad have an deb building system? Or did developers build them manually?
[21:46] <costales> halvors, no, Devid (a MOTU) do it ;)
[21:46] <highvoltage> ok, yeah the initial learning curve is sometimes a bit high. starting with bug fixes to packages as apposed to packaging from scratch is usually a good start!
[21:46] <costales> I do the release, and he do the .deb and upload to the repository
[21:47] <highvoltage> any further questions?
[21:47] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, it took some people years to become motu :) ... no hurry on that ;)
[21:47] <drubin> I am fine to vote
[21:47]  * ogra_cmpc too
[21:47]  * stgraber too
[21:48] <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: it took ME a few years even! I'm not saying he should ebcome one now, but it would probably be a good idea for him to learn how to do patches :)
[21:48] <drubin> highvoltage: I have also tried this deb thing before so TMI ;) hard to get your head around it at first
[21:48] <highvoltage> [VOTE] costales
[21:48] <MootBot> Please vote on:  costales.
[21:48] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:48] <czajkowski> +1
[21:48] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:48] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, yes, thats what i was (secretly) referring to ;)
[21:48] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:48] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:48] <stgraber> +1
[21:48] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:49] <highvoltage> +1 good bug tracking work, support and documentation
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:49] <drubin> +1
[21:49] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:49] <drubin> soorry
[21:49] <highvoltage> #endvote
[21:49] <costales> I only can say one thing: THANKS VERY MUCH!!!
[21:49] <costales> :D
[21:49] <highvoltage> costales: congratulations and welcome!
[21:49] <costales> :D
[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, [ednvote] works better
[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> err
[21:49] <halvors> congrats :)
[21:49] <ogra_cmpc> modulo typo
[21:50] <highvoltage> [endvote]
[21:50] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:50] <ogra_cmpc> costales, congrats
[21:50] <ivarela> welcome costales. nice to see you here, in the other side ;)
[21:50] <maiatoday> congrats costales
[21:50] <highvoltage> heh, the docs are wrong
[21:50] <costales> ;)
[21:50] <drubin> congrats.
[21:50] <kinouchou> congrats costales
[21:50] <costales> thanks a lot!
[21:50] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] [VOTE] Membership for fabrizioballiano
[21:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  [VOTE] Membership for fabrizioballiano
[21:50] <highvoltage> uhm, actually...
[21:50] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] vincentxavier
[21:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  vincentxavier
[21:50] <vincentxavier> hi
[21:50] <YoBoY> hi vincentxavier :)
[21:50] <halvors> hi
[21:51] <huats> I support vincentxavier !
[21:51] <kinouchou> hello vincentxavier :)
[21:51]  * ogra_cmpc grins about the typo on the wiki 
[21:51] <YoBoY> lol huats
[21:51] <highvoltage> vincentxavier: do you use ubuntu at your school?
[21:51] <ogra_cmpc> leaving near Paris :)
[21:51] <vincentxavier> highvoltage: I'm planning, but I've just arrived in a new school by monday
[21:51] <vincentxavier> so I need time :)
[21:52] <McPeter> hi vincentxavier :)
[21:52] <ogra_cmpc> nice ! a testemonial from didier
[21:52] <highvoltage> and huats
[21:53] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[21:53] <huats> highvoltage, he deserves it
[21:53] <huats> :)
[21:53] <highvoltage> any questions or comments for vincentxavier?
[21:53] <highvoltage> right, voting time then
[21:53] <ogra_cmpc> ++
[21:53] <highvoltage> [VOTE] membership for vincentxavier
[21:53] <czajkowski> wiki is pretty clear tbh
[21:53] <MootBot> Please vote on:  membership for vincentxavier.
[21:53] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:53] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:53] <ogra_cmpc> go for it
[21:53] <czajkowski> +1
[21:53] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:53] <drubin> +1
[21:53] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[21:53] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:53] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:53] <highvoltage> +1 [ great loco involvement ]
[21:53] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:54] <stgraber> +1
[21:54] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:54] <highvoltage> [ENDVOTE]
[21:54] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:54] <huats> congrats vincentxavier !
[21:54] <YoBoY> congrats vincentxavier :)
[21:54] <kinouchou> \o/ vincentxavier
[21:54] <drubin> congrats! vincentxavier
[21:54] <costales> congrats! :)
[21:54] <ogra_cmpc> congrats
[21:54] <vincentxavier> thanks all of you :)
[21:54] <halvors> congrats
[21:54] <McPeter> congrats vincentxavier  :)
[21:54] <highvoltage> vincentxavier: Félicitations et bienvenue
[21:54] <czajkowski> vincentxavier: welcome
[21:55] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] halvors
[21:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  halvors
[21:55] <maiatoday> congrats vincentxavier
[21:55] <halvors> Hi!
[21:55] <huats> (highvoltage, I see your french lessons start to be used)
[21:55] <highvoltage> halvors: you've applied before, right?
[21:55] <halvors> I have been using Ubuntu since 8.04.
[21:56] <halvors> highvoltage: Yes.
[21:56] <highvoltage> (huats: ;))
[21:56] <halvors> I tryed.
[21:56] <czajkowski> halvors: I'll be honest your wiki is less than complete https://wiki.ubuntu.com/halvors
[21:56] <highvoltage> halvors: did we give you any feedback on your application?
[21:56] <halvors> My contribution to Ubuntu include: testing, bug reports and translation into nb_NO and nn_NO.
[21:56] <halvors> Yes.
[21:56] <highvoltage> halvors: and what did we say?
[21:57] <halvors> I need to do more translation and bug reports work.
[21:57] <halvors> And that i've done :)
[21:57] <czajkowski> halvors: I'm pretty sure we also said your wiki needs some information as well
[21:57] <drubin> halvors: Well you need to document it on your wiki.
[21:57] <czajkowski> there are no testimonals or links to your work or future plans
[21:57] <halvors> Document what?
[21:57] <highvoltage> halvors: we also told you to document your work on the wiki, and get some testimonials from the people you worked with
[21:57] <czajkowski> halvors: in fact I even offered to help you the last time with your wiki
[21:57] <highvoltage> [VOTE] halvors
[21:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  halvors.
[21:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:57] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:57] <czajkowski> I said contact me after the meeting and I'd help
[21:57] <highvoltage> -1 [ incomplete application ]
[21:58] <MootBot> -1 received from highvoltage. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:58] <czajkowski> -1
[21:58] <ogra_cmpc> -1
[21:58] <MootBot> -1 received from czajkowski. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:58] <MootBot> -1 received from ogra_cmpc. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3
[21:58] <halvors> I am not finished.
[21:58] <highvoltage> [endvote]
[21:58] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 3 against. 0 abstained. Total: -3
[21:58] <stgraber> -1
[21:58] <drubin> -1  [ czajkowski offered to help you with your wiki you didn't take her help]
[21:58] <drubin> oops
[21:58] <highvoltage> (oops, sorry, hit enter button too soon)
[21:58] <halvors> But i have done a lot of more work... :(
[21:58] <drubin> halvors: Sorry but my point still stands.
[21:58] <drubin> halvors: But your wiki hasn't changed at all
[21:58] <highvoltage> halvors: please apply once you've finished your application
[21:58] <halvors> Ok, what will i need.
[21:59] <czajkowski> halvors: you can mail me or contact me at any time on irc possbly not today but any other day ok
[21:59] <highvoltage> halvors: we'd like to review your application for membership, but we can't do that if the application is pretty much empty
[21:59] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] cwoollard
[21:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  cwoollard
[21:59] <halvors> Write in my wiki that i will continue translateing Ubuntu into my language and continue to report bugs and testing Ubuntu?
[21:59] <drubin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/halvors?action=diff&rev2=6&rev1=2
[21:59] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[21:59] <halvors> Something more?
[21:59] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cwoollard
[21:59] <ogra_cmpc> halvors, look at all the other wikis of people that got approved today and also talk to czajkowski
[21:59] <jenkins> I support chris, he is a brilliant member of the manual team always working hard, he is doing great work at to help drive our releases.
[22:00] <jenkins> as well as editing an bugs
[22:00] <czajkowski> ChrisWoollard: hey
[22:00] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[22:01] <czajkowski> ChrisWoollard: so care to tell us about your involvement in the communtity
[22:01] <czajkowski> been involved for a long time but only recently got involved in Ubuntu manual and U1
[22:01] <ChrisWoollard> I am a linux systems administrator I manage various websites, some of which run ubuntu. I have been using Ubuntu since about 6.06. I spend most of my time on the ubuntu-manual irc channel and helping out with that project. Usually editing, bug management / fixing and helping with translations. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/cwoollard
[22:02] <ChrisWoollard> I have also tried and succeeded to get ubuntu on our servers at work.
[22:02] <highvoltage> nice bug management work too
[22:02] <ogra_cmpc> ChrisWoollard, you are aware that major contributors get sponsoring for UDS ?
[22:02] <ChrisWoollard> + i have installed ubuntu a few peoples pc's
[22:02] <ChrisWoollard> yes.
[22:02] <ogra_cmpc> no need to wait for one in the UK ;)
[22:02] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[22:03]  * ogra_cmpc is ready to vote, thats a quite good set of testemonials
[22:03] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[22:03] <highvoltage> [VOTE] Membership for ChrisWoollard
[22:03] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Membership for ChrisWoollard.
[22:03] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[22:03] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[22:03] <ogra_cmpc> +1
[22:03] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_cmpc. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:03] <drubin> +1 [Great set of testemonials ]
[22:03] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:03] <highvoltage> +1 [ documentation work, bug triaging and testing ]
[22:03] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:03] <czajkowski> +1
[22:03] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:03] <stgraber> +1 [good testimonials]
[22:03] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:03] <highvoltage> [ENDVOTE]
[22:03] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[22:04] <highvoltage> ChrisWoollard: congratiolations and welcome!
[22:04] <ChrisWoollard> Yay..... Thanks
[22:04] <jenkins> well done ChrisWoollard
[22:04] <czajkowski> great moving on
[22:04]  * ChrisWoollard Jumps for joy
[22:04] <czajkowski> cc are waiting and we've more to do
[22:04] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] status0
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  status0
[22:04] <Status0> Yey ! it's me !! Hellow to all :-)
[22:05] <czajkowski> Status0: aloha
[22:05] <highvoltage> Status0: I can't access your LP page at ~it-is-danny
[22:06] <czajkowski> Status0: any from your team here to support you?
[22:06] <Status0> ~status0
[22:06] <highvoltage> are you sure that's your launchpad ID?
[22:06] <Status0> czajkowski, no. sorry.
[22:06] <ogra_cmpc> how long have you been involved yet ?
[22:06] <highvoltage> Status0: your wiki page says that you're active in translations, but your karma is 0, how do you currently contribute translations?
[22:07] <ogra_cmpc> your wikipage only says that you just started
[22:07] <Status0> i helping to ubuntu israel translate little thinks but i didnt started yet with lp..
[22:08] <drubin> Status0: How long have you been involved with Ubuntu-il
[22:08] <Status0> few months
[22:08] <ogra_cmpc> sadly thats the way we measure contibutions, launchpad, testemonials from other members, bugfixes etc
[22:09] <highvoltage> Status0: I see only some recent wall posts on the Facebook group, how do you use the facebook group to attract promote Ubuntu?
[22:09] <ogra_cmpc> its hard to judge if you dont have much of either
[22:09] <Status0> highvoltage, yes.
[22:10] <Status0> I helping for Israeli LoCo team in development of web site and community
[22:10] <Status0> I tring to develop and publish concept of "Ubuntu is Fun". i tring to show the Israeli society thats is fun to use Ubuntu.
[22:10] <Status0> i'v marged most of israeli ubuntu groups in facebook to One group and helping to extend the Israeli community.
[22:10] <Status0> also i working also on videos in Hebrew about Ubuntu (How to Install, Why its free (opensource), Why its fun and "Lets Join to community".
[22:10] <czajkowski> Status0: I'd like to see you come back when  you've more contributions done we can actually measure, it's just rather hard right now to judge
[22:10] <highvoltage> any further questions before we vote?
[22:11] <highvoltage> [VOTE] Status0
[22:11] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Status0.
[22:11] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[22:11] <highvoltage> +0 [ great enthusiasm, but not enough evidence of significant, sustained contribution ]
[22:11] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[22:11] <czajkowski> +0
[22:11] <MootBot> Abstention received from czajkowski. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
[22:11] <ogra_cmpc> +0 [great enthusiasm, please add more testemonials and measurable work]
[22:11] <MootBot> Abstention received from ogra_cmpc. 0 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0
[22:11] <drubin> +0 [would like to see you come back with more contributions that are visable]
[22:11] <MootBot> Abstention received from drubin. 0 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 0
[22:11] <stgraber> +0
[22:11] <MootBot> Abstention received from stgraber. 0 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 0
[22:11] <drubin> maybe also from other members.
[22:11] <highvoltage> [ENDVOTE]
[22:11] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 0 against. 5 abstained. Total: 0
[22:12] <highvoltage> Status0: I think you have what it takes to be an ubuntu member, and that you will be one day
[22:12] <ogra_cmpc> ++
[22:12] <highvoltage> Status0: you just have to do all the things you say you'll do on the wiki, and get some testimonials from the people you have worked with
[22:13] <highvoltage> Status0: it will be great to see you re-apply in a few months once you've got some more measurable contributions (and testimonials from people for things that are harder to measure)
[22:13] <Status0> You right. sorry about your time :-(
[22:13] <highvoltage> Status0: no problem, thanks for your time too
[22:14] <czajkowski> Status0: thanks for coming, and we'd like to see you come back
[22:14] <highvoltage> [TOPIC] wrap-up
[22:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  wrap-up
[22:14] <drubin> I added every one to the LP group.
[22:14] <highvoltage> next meeting should be 12 October, right?
[22:14] <drubin> who is emailing the lists?
[22:14] <ogra_cmpc> 12 ?
[22:15] <highvoltage> I mean the 5th :)
[22:15] <drubin> highvoltage: yes
[22:15] <ogra_cmpc> technically it would be 5th
[22:15] <highvoltage> (sorry got it mixed up with LUG meeting times)
[22:15] <ogra_cmpc> where half of us will be up to their ears in alligators
[22:15] <ogra_cmpc> preparing 10.10
[22:15] <highvoltage> ok, next meeting is at 20:00 UTC on October the 5th
[22:15] <highvoltage> our last one before UDS!
[22:15] <ajmitch> ogra_cmpc: sounds exciting
[22:16] <ogra_cmpc> ajmitch, sounds busy
[22:16] <highvoltage> then we can get together for beer again :)
[22:16] <highvoltage> drubin: do you mind posting it to -news, -cc, etc?
[22:16] <drubin> highvoltage: Nope.
[22:16] <highvoltage> great
[22:16] <ajmitch> ogra_cmpc: by that stage you'll be sitting back & relaxing & preparing SRUs since it'll almost be too late for release :)
[22:16] <drubin> highvoltage: I will clean up the wiki as well
[22:16] <ogra_cmpc> ajmitch, not in the ARM team
[22:17] <highvoltage> czajkowski: did you bully someone into being chair for the next meeting yet?
[22:17] <czajkowski> I pick ogra_cmpc
[22:17]  * ogra_cmpc refuses
[22:17] <drubin> highvoltage: It is just -news and -cc
[22:17]  * czajkowski peers at ogra_cmpc 
[22:17] <ogra_cmpc> seriously
[22:17] <czajkowski> bah
[22:17] <highvoltage> czajkowski: sorry, ogra_cmpc is immune to bullying
[22:17] <ogra_cmpc> its a very bad time to have a meeting for me, i'm fine to take december
[22:17] <czajkowski> Seveas: ?
[22:18] <czajkowski> ogra_cmpc: december is yours
[22:18] <drubin> I will do October
[22:18] <czajkowski> grand drubin it is
[22:18] <czajkowski> great
[22:18] <ogra_cmpc> thaks a lot drubin
[22:18] <highvoltage> great. so for cleaning up the wiki, posting to lists, and being the next chair, it's all going to drubin then!
[22:18] <drubin> ogra_cmpc: no problems I am not a Ubuntu-dev 5th october wont be so bad for me
[22:18] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[22:18] <czajkowski> can we wrap up in case the CC folks want to start
[22:19] <czajkowski> if they're about
[22:19] <highvoltage> czajkowski: ifaict they don't have a meeting scheduled today
[22:19] <highvoltage> anythings else before we end?
[22:20] <highvoltage> ok that's it then!
[22:20] <highvoltage> [ENDMEETING]
[22:20] <drubin> Congrats every one that got membership.
[22:20] <highvoltage> #endmeeting
[22:20] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:20.
[22:20] <highvoltage> heh, that's quite inconsistent
[22:20] <costales> Good night! :)
[22:21] <highvoltage> good night everyone and congratulations to our new members!
[22:21] <halvors> highvoltage: Is my wiki page better now?
[22:22] <highvoltage> halvors: it's an improvement, check the wiki pages of the people we approved today for a good idea of what we're looking for
[22:23] <halvors> I do.
[22:23] <halvors> I ask you, is there something you think i need.
[22:23] <halvors> And hope i can get a member at next meeting.
[22:24] <drubin> halvors: I would strongly suggest not applying for membership next meeting
[22:24] <drubin> Give it time.
[22:24] <halvors> Why?
[22:24] <drubin> it will show you are willing to wait and take the time to get your wiki updated 100%.
[22:24] <halvors> Ok.
[22:24] <ogra_cmpc> document the translations too, get testemonials from other translators that worked with you etc
[22:24] <halvors> I am working on it now.
[22:25] <drubin> halvors: get friends/IRC buddies/* to come and cheer for the work you have done.
[22:34] <McPeter> bye bye all