[00:00] <jeiworth> tzz n00bs
[00:41] <dragonmind> some Ger here?
[01:09] <WalterN> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[01:10] <WalterN> going though that
[01:10] <WalterN> the second thing it wants a mail name...
[01:11] <WalterN> the description says 'the mail name is the domain name used to qualify all mail addresses without a domain name'
[01:11] <WalterN> what does that mean?
[01:12] <WalterN> oh, this is in dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[01:16] <JanC> WalterN: the domain that applies to mail addresses with no @something part
[01:16] <WalterN> what if I have more than one domain to be used for email?
[01:17] <JanC> normally that's only used for local mail on the server
[01:18] <WalterN> wait... what?
[01:18] <JanC> did you ever send mail to "walter" instead of "walter@example.com" ?  ;)
[01:18] <WalterN> no?
[01:19] <WalterN> never did any of this before
[01:19] <WalterN> as may be obvious
[01:19] <WalterN> (heh)
[01:19] <JanC> the default proposed by dpkg-reconfigure is probably okay then
[01:20] <WalterN> still not sure what its for though..
[01:20] <WalterN> network wide email?
[01:21] <JanC> well, for example many daemons (services) will send mail to "root" or similar accounts when there is an issue
[01:22] <JanC> and you can actually send mail to every local user on the server
[01:22] <WalterN> default is what I named the computer
[01:22] <WalterN> "server"
[01:22] <WalterN> heh
[01:23] <JanC> with this you can what the "complete equivalent" with an @ of the version without @ is
[01:23] <WalterN> the domain I want to use for email is tiwake.com though
[01:23] <JanC> you can probably use that then
[01:23] <pmatulis> JanC: i don't think that example applies.  sending to just a username will default to local accounts.  i think what WalterN is talking about is 'myorigin' (i've never heard of 'mail name')
[01:24] <_Techie_> sorry to pitch in so late in the game
[01:25] <_Techie_> but "the description says 'the mail name is the domain name used to qualify all mail addresses without a domain name'" to me implies, if you send mail from a user without having a masquerade domain assigned, use this domain instead
[01:26] <WalterN> I just put in tiwake.com
[01:27] <WalterN> hmm
[01:27] <JanC> WalterN: that should be okay
[01:28] <WalterN> the next screen says 'mail for the postmaster, root, and other system account needs to be redirected to the user account of the actual system administrator'
[01:29] <_Techie_> make this your username
[01:29] <WalterN> if this value is left empty, such mail will be saved in /var/mail/nobody, which is not recommended
[01:29] <WalterN> hmm
[01:30] <JanC> AFAIK you can put another e-mail account you use there
[01:30] <JanC> I'm not sure how it edits /etc/aliases
[01:31] <JanC> basically, this is where to send mail with errors or warnings about your server
[01:33] <WalterN> oh, ok
[01:33] <WalterN> one of the next screens says...
[01:34] <WalterN> please specify the network blocks for which this host should relay mail. the default is just the local host, which is needed by some mail user agents. the default includes local host for both ipv4 and ipv6.
[01:35] <WalterN> what is that?
[01:35] <JanC> WalterN: most likely you should leave that alone
[01:35] <JanC> WalterN: it means what computers are allowed to send mail through your mail server
[01:36] <JanC> (without authentication etc.)
[01:36] <JanC> normally you don't want random spammers to abuse your server  ;)
[01:37] <WalterN> the default value is a bit different from https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[01:37] <WalterN> default is 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
[01:37] <WalterN> that says to use 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 192.168.0.0/24
[01:37] <JanC> yeah, that's okay, leave of the 192.168.0.0/24 part
[01:38] <WalterN> what does that mean though?
[01:38] <JanC> that's useful if you have a LAN, and want PCs in your LAN to use the mailserver as a relay
[01:38] <WalterN> oh
[01:38] <WalterN> interesting
[01:39] <WalterN> no, I dont think I will ever want to relay
[01:39] <JanC> and of course it only works if your LAN is using 192.168.0.0/24
[01:41] <WalterN> hmm
[01:41] <WalterN> please choose the character that will be used to define a local address extension
[01:41] <WalterN> default is +
[01:43] <WalterN> when is that used?
[01:44] <JanC> WalterN: if you enter "+" there, the mailserver will cut the "+" plus everything after it up to the "@" from the mail address and use what's left as teh account
[01:44] <JanC> so mail for walter+ubuntu@example.com will end up in the mailbox of walter@example.com
[01:45] <WalterN> oOo
[01:45] <WalterN> cool
[01:45] <JanC> some people use that to filter mail, or when ou have to register at soem site, you can see afterwards who that spam is coming from  ;)
[01:47] <JanC> (of course, some spammers know that trick too, by now...)
[01:47] <WalterN> ok, back to the wiki...
[01:47] <WalterN> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[01:47] <WalterN> "Now is a good time to decide which mailbox format you want to use. By default Postfix will use mbox for the mailbox format. "
[01:48] <WalterN> what is mbox?
[01:52] <JanC> that will put all mail in a mailbox in one file
[01:52] <JanC> so it's a file format to store mail
[01:53] <WalterN> oh, ok
[01:54] <JanC> the alternative is "maildir", which stores each mail in its own file inside a directory
[01:54] <WalterN> which is preferred?
[01:55] <WalterN> I guess it does not really matter..
[01:55] <WalterN> I'll just leave it I guess
[01:55] <JanC> it might matter depending on what you want to do with that mail
[01:55] <netritious> Hi, recently inherited a Snap Server 4200 I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on. I'm wondering if anyone here has tried such a thing?
[02:03] <tanathos> hello everyone :)
[02:24] <WalterN> ok, I'm at step 2 now..
[02:24] <WalterN> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html#postfix-smtp-authentication
[02:25] <WalterN> ugh, annoying
[02:37] <netritious> WalterN: might help http://tinyurl.com/29am43s
[02:38] <netritious> that is, if you aren't using self-signed certificates
[02:58] <lsmobrian> does anyone know how to login into launchpad using command line.  I enter my username/password however after that theres nothing to do.  "continue" is not a link.  I am using w3m trying to submit some bug info using apport-collect
[03:42] <shauno> lsmobrian: login works normally for me in elinks.  'continue' is a submit button, not a link
[03:45] <lsmobrian> Ill give elinks a try (as well as looking to submit/links in w3m)  thanks for taking a look
[03:50] <lsmobrian> shauno: thanks that did work
[04:21] <ratdog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/489556/
[04:21] <ratdog> ?
[04:22] <incognito> okay, here is my paste:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/489561/   first you can see the result of my dmesg | grep vga.   below my terminal output is a post from an ubuntu forums that tells how to disable frameBuffer.  I'm trying to disable the framebuffer because my ubuntu-server won't load. I need help to know what I need to blacklist. Thanks
[04:23] <ratdog> i pasted firat
[04:23] <ratdog> damnit
[04:23] <ratdog> lol
[04:28] <incognito>  I burned and installed 10.04 installation CD. The installation seems to run fine, ejects my CD and tells me to boot into my newly installed system. The first boot runs normally and I get a command-line interface in the right resolution (1024 x 768). My server is.
[04:28] <incognito> But on the second and any following (re)boot, the system fails to load. After my HP splash screen it shortly shows a blinking cursor on a black screen. Then the screen goes completely black, my monitor starts searching for input and goes to standby. I use the power button to shut down.
[06:51] <SJr> How do I make a file system dirty so that fsck runs on reboot?
[06:52] <kklimonda> SJr: touch /forcefsck
[06:52] <SJr> seriously?
[06:53] <twb> Yes.
[06:53] <SJr> neat
[06:53] <kklimonda> yeah, but it will force fsck on all filesystems afair
[06:53] <twb> It used to be an option to shutdown(8), but SJR removed it and the documentation for it
[06:53] <SJr> hmmmmm
[06:53] <SJr> SJR?
[06:53] <twb> On debian, it says -F:      Force fsck on reboot.
[06:53] <twb> Scott James Remnant
[06:53] <SJr> ah
[06:53] <twb> i.e. "the upstart guy"
[06:53] <SJr> ah
[06:54] <SJr> sorry I was understandably confused :)
[06:54] <twb> Nod
[06:54] <kklimonda> hmm, I've always touched file manually :)
[06:54] <twb> I think his nick is actually "keybuk"
[06:54] <kklimonda> indeed
[06:54] <SJr> will that run even if the file system is clean?
[06:54]  * twb encourages MIT-style usernames
[06:54] <twb> SJr: yes
[06:54] <kklimonda> SJr: yes
[06:54] <twb> SJr: it's *force*fsck
[06:54] <SJr> excellent well thank you, I'm going to reboot my server, killing my bouncer, and hopefully fixing my fs
[06:54] <SJr> god speed
[06:54] <twb> Basically the boot scripts say "if /forcefsck exists, then add -f to the fsck calls"
[07:27] <kuttan_> Hi what is JIGDO/JIGDO-LITE , can this tool be used to download a bootable Os installation DVD ?
[07:38] <twb> kuttan_: jigdo takes a list of packages and turns it into an install CD or DVD
[07:39] <twb> I prefer to simply use the mini.iso and have a local package mirror exported via HTTP
[07:40] <kuttan_> twb: Thanks mate! , So it will download individual packages and then regenerate DVD ?
[07:43] <twb> s/regenerate/generate/, yes
[07:44] <twb> Note that we're talking about debian-installer (not ubiquity) install media.
[07:45] <kuttan_> twb: Thanks mate. that is all I wanted to know. Was bit jittery before that :)
[07:52] <SJr> Um
[07:52] <SJr> When I try to md5 a file, I Get an input output error, and I get spammed with a bunch of stuff like: http://www.pastebin.ca/1934852
[08:08] <joschi> SJr: either your SATA controller or your hard disk is broken
[08:08] <SJr> lame
[08:09] <joschi> SJr: if you don't have one yet, you should make a backup of your important files on that disk *now*
[08:09] <SJr> hmmmmm
[08:09] <joschi> SJr: could also be a defect cable.
[08:09] <SJr> sorry it just seems to be one file that is affected
[08:09] <SJr> and an fsck seems to generate no errors
[08:09] <joschi> SJr: that's how it starts usually
[08:09] <SJr> smart seems to pass
[08:10] <joschi> SJr: it's your decision what to do next...
[09:42] <huats> morning !
[10:11] <tanathos> morning
[10:18] <rahman> Hi,with apache how can I rewrite all requested urls to a fixed url without any condition to check? Like  "  *   to example.com  "
[10:25] <sandGorgon> anyone have an upstart script for postgresql ?
[10:48] <soren> jdstrand: Because I suck, when you bzr update your libvirt packaging branch, you will get conflicting tags. Please fix it like so: bzr tag --force -r revid:james.westby@ubuntu.com-20100831160524-ran41ea0u7thgb4c 0.8.3-1ubuntu9
[10:49] <twb> rahman: in mod_rewrite or something?
[10:49] <soren> rahman: RewriteRule .* http://whatever [R,L]
[10:49] <soren> rahman: Or thereabouts.
[10:49] <twb> I see bzr still looks like arch sometimes :-P
[10:50] <soren> twb: He could have probably gotten away with -r 101.
[10:51] <soren> twb: ..but I wanted to be sure.
[10:51] <twb> And of course an eight-byte hash *might* have had a collision :P
[10:52] <soren> twb: Yeah, bzr has no such concept, as far as I know.
[10:53] <rahman> soren: thanks it made the trick . Apache url rewriting docs are so crypted if you don't know RegEx and all you need is simple :)
[10:54] <twb> Anyone who doesn't know regex(7) probably shouldn't be configuring apache
[10:55] <rahman> twb: :)
[10:55] <twb> I'm not joking
[10:56] <twb> Large parts of my week consist on fixing systems deployed or managed by people who don't really know what they're doing
[12:12] <sandGorgon> can I set stack size using sysctl.conf - I know we can do it using ulimit -s, but just curious if we can. That way I just need to copy over my sysctl.conf and have all my settings
[12:38] <silvan> salve ragazzi
[12:39] <silvan> c'è nessuno!?
[13:06] <zul> morning
[14:02] <patdk-wk> hmm, cause someone asked the other day about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html
[14:02] <patdk-wk> I am wondering why that says to activate the spamassassin daemon?
[14:03] <patdk-wk> that configuration doesn't use spamd anywhere at all
[14:03] <patdk-wk> spamd will be a useless memory hog
[14:04] <soren> patdk-wk: amavis doesn't use spamc?
[14:04] <patdk-wk> nope, never has
[14:05] <soren> That's silly.
[14:05] <patdk-wk> amavis is perl
[14:05] <soren> so?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> so it loads spamassasin perl directly into it
[14:05] <soren> Oh.
[14:06] <patdk-wk> that gets fun with stuff like compiled spamassasin rules and stuff
[14:13] <patdk-wk> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-users/201001.mbox/%3C4B43FA52.40401@verizon.net%3E
[14:14] <patdk-wk> I can't find any direct documentation that says spamc/spamd is not used
[14:14] <patdk-wk> but I do have spamd disabled on all my servers
[14:27] <zul> hggdh: ping up yet?
[14:31] <_ruben> patdk-wk: i figured (but not tested or anything) that amavis would/could use spamd when available
[14:32] <patdk-wk> na, it won't use spamd ever
[14:33] <hggdh> zul: up now
[14:34] <zul> hggdh: see daviey's email?
[14:34] <hggdh> no... looking at it
[14:35] <_ruben> patdk-wk: ah, depending on the amavis config, it does the preloading stuff itself, killing any need for spamd .. guess a bug should be filed against the docs :)
[14:35] <patdk-wk> :)
[14:35] <patdk-wk> I normally take it a step more, I should file a bug against it too
[14:35] <hggdh> zul: is this what I think? :-)
[14:36] <patdk-wk> the daily autoupdate for spamassassin rules, I modify them to restart amavisd instead
[14:36] <zul> hggdh: hehe
[14:37] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: as it happens, yes, there a re open slots at the UEC test rig
[14:37] <zul> hggdh: sweet...
[14:38] <Daviey> hggdh, \o/
[14:38] <hggdh> now, when would you like to have at it?
[14:38] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: now?
[14:39] <zul> hggdh: sure
[14:39] <Daviey> hggdh, I really don't want to block you
[14:40] <hggdh> Daviey, zul: no, you will not block me. Now, do you want me to reinstall the machines as minimal servers?
[14:40] <zul> hggdh: yes please
[14:40] <hggdh> (takes about 20 min to reboot & reinstall)
[14:40] <hggdh> doing it
[14:41] <Daviey> hggdh, fresh maverick daily?  no UEC?
[14:41] <hggdh> anyway, my last test wass really destructive
[14:41] <Daviey> hggdh, If you need it back, can you try and give us about 1hrs notice to pull of anything we need?
[14:41] <hggdh> Daviey: minimal Ubuntu daily server, no UEC
[14:41] <Daviey> hggdh, \o/
[14:42] <hggdh> Daviey: yes, I can give you 1 hour's notice
[14:46] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: machines are beign reinstalled now. Do you know how to get there?
[14:46] <zul> hggdh: nope
[14:46] <hggdh> just a sec
[14:47] <Daviey> \o/
[14:52] <chessychic> well as per competition goes RHEL still dominates the server market
[14:52] <chessychic> its becoming hard to configure ubuntu for server
[14:53] <chessychic> by the way ubuntu handling packages and updating in server environment
[14:53] <Daviey> chessychic, Is there a question here?
[14:54] <chessychic> i mean i dont know how to fix a pc with improper grub
[14:54] <patdk-wk> I haven't seen RHEL on a lot of servers, just centos
[14:54] <patdk-wk> you fix grub, the same way on rhel, centos, ubuntu, debian, slackware, .... :)
[14:54] <Daviey> chessychic, Okay... i'm worried i'm stepping into a trap here..
[14:54] <Daviey> "improper grub"?
[14:54] <chessychic> ya grub 2
[14:55] <Daviey> chessychic, And which part is improper?
[14:55] <chessychic> did just ubuntu server upgraded to grub2
[14:55] <Daviey> no
[14:56] <chessychic> can we rescue ubuntu server with server disc
[14:56] <Daviey> LTS->LTS yes.
[14:56] <Daviey> But it's been the default since 9.10
[14:56] <hggdh> .msg daviey https://pastebin.canonical.com/36805/
[14:56]  * Daviey passes hggdh a /
[14:57] <hggdh> heh
[14:57] <hggdh> well, you are msg-ed, anyway :-)
[14:57] <Daviey> chessychic, Can you clarify what part of grub2 makes it improper?
[14:57] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: of course, please change the userId on the .ssh/config
[14:58] <chessychic> sorry but nothing is wrong here
[14:58] <Daviey> zul, we should use hggdh's ID, then he gets the blame if it goes bang.
[14:58] <chessychic> i want to know if something goes wrong it isnt as easy as grub to fix
[14:58] <zul> Daviey: sounds good to me :)
[14:58]  * hggdh goes and quickly removes self from server
[14:59] <Daviey> chessychic, It does differ from grub1 configs
[14:59] <chessychic> iam learning system admin course here
[14:59] <Daviey> chessychic, sounds good!
[15:00] <chessychic> wanna be a linux admin,also iam working with RHEL here so i also wanted to configure and get my hands on ubuntu server
[15:00] <chessychic> first off i wanna change my alias here
[15:02] <chessychic> scared 2 go for redhat certification as iam not confident .............
[15:02] <chessychic> also ubuntu certification is bit complicated and highly priced rather i should have been cheap for poor countries
[15:03] <chessychic> it*
[15:15] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: machines have rebooted on today's ISO
[15:15] <Daviey> hggdh, \o/
[15:21] <ttx> Daviey: when is the next euca upload planned ?
[15:22] <Daviey> ttx, hopefully today!
[15:22] <ttx> Daviey: ack.
[15:22] <Daviey> working on it right now
[15:39] <kaushal> hi
[15:39] <kaushal> how do i delete VM in KVM under Ubuntu ?
[15:39] <yann_> virsh destroy / undefine
[15:40] <kaushal> error: unexpected data 'undefine'
[15:41] <kaushal> at virsh command line ?
[15:41] <yann_> virsh undefine nameofthevm
[15:41] <sherr> ---> man virsh
[15:41] <yann_> but that removes the vm from libvirt, you stillneed to rm -rf the file after
[15:42] <kaushal> ok
[15:42] <kaushal> where exactly i need to rm -rf ?
[15:43] <kaushal> under /etc/libvirtd/ ?
[15:44] <yann_> where you put your image file
[15:46] <kaushal> yann_: not sure where i have it :(
[15:46] <kaushal> i use vmbuilder command
[15:47] <yann_> virsh dumpxml vm
[15:47] <yann_> will tell you
[15:47] <kaushal> error: failed to get domain 'vm1'
[15:51] <kaushal> hi again
[15:51] <kaushal> sorry got disconnected
[15:52] <kaushal> yann_: any further suggestion
[15:54] <sherr> VM's : ls /etc/libvirtd/qemu/*.xml
[15:54] <sherr> Or : virsh list
[15:54] <sherr> etc. See : man virsh
[15:56] <kaushal> sherr: Thanks
[15:56] <kaushal> yann_: Thanks
[16:15] <Glenjamin> Hi guys, i've just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on the way to 10.04, and i'm getting the following from apt: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/is0hFz8h anyone able to point me in the right direction?
[16:18] <SpamapS> Glenjamin: looks like maybe some files were manually removed?
[16:19] <Glenjamin> well apt seemed to be fine before i did the 9.04 -> 9.10 update, then i had this error afterwards while trying to do anything
[16:20] <Glenjamin> and now i can't seem to do anything without it trying to remove these packages and failing
[16:22] <patdk-wk> hmm, it seems to think those kernel packages are installed, but looks like they got manually removed though
[16:22] <patdk-wk> someone enjoying their usage of rm? to clean up old kernels?
[16:22] <Glenjamin> is there any way to put them back?
[16:24] <patdk-wk> maybe, apt-get remove -m linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-11-server
[16:24] <patdk-wk> then again for -15, and -17
[16:25] <Glenjamin> it does the same - any apt operation tries to remove the three packages
[16:25] <Glenjamin> is trying to create the paths it's attempting to unlink likely to help?
[16:25] <patdk-wk> oh, maybe you need an apt fix first then
[16:35] <Glenjamin> managed to bungle a fix by copying another module into where it was supposed to be
[16:58] <derknecht> i try to control mainboard leds to tell the user when a backup is finished on a server without gui. I searched /proc and /sys but found nothing. is there a software package or a way how i can achive this
[16:59] <SpamapS> derknecht: it is different between chipsets.
[17:00] <derknecht> SpamapS: where i have to search?
[17:00] <SpamapS> derknecht: you can very easily control keyboard LED's.. ;)
[17:00] <patdk-wk> mainboard leds? sounds odd
[17:00] <derknecht> there is no keyboard, everything is over ssh
[17:00] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: remember back when all computers had green, yellow, and red? ;)
[17:01] <SpamapS> derknecht: what lights are visible?
[17:01] <patdk-wk> SpamapS, I'm trying, but all I remember is a red and green, one power, one harddrive (my current ones are still the same)
[17:01]  * SpamapS once made a program that would, blink the blue lights on HP proliants in sequence according to their rack order.. 
[17:01] <patdk-wk> but back then, the harddrives normally had a led on them also :)
[17:02] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: yeah, you'd run that litlte cable from the hard drive to the LED.. or if you had a fancy controller.. from the controller
[17:03] <patdk-wk> my mfm and scsi drives back in the day, all had led's directly on them, the cable was optional :)
[17:03] <derknecht> SpamapS: let assume my mainboard and kernel can do it. How ? (via /proc or /sys? via extra software that controls a spesific led?)
[17:03] <SpamapS> derknecht: I'd guess you'd need to issue some sort of APM or ACPI command
[17:03] <patdk-wk> normally you need a kernel module that supports it
[17:03] <patdk-wk> then you just toggle it via /sys
[17:04] <patdk-wk> atleast if it's like the thinkpad :)
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy!! I was wondering if you've ever used systemtap ?
[17:04] <SpamapS> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-539425.html
[17:04] <SpamapS> right that one shows it for an asus
[18:15] <cemc> if I have static network config, do I need avahi-daemon ?
[18:16] <cemc> or what do I need avahi for?
[18:17] <jpds> Auto-discovery of local network devices?
[18:18] <cemc> I see
[18:19] <jpds> cemc: 'avahi-browse -a' will show you devices/things it found for instance.
[18:20] <cemc> I guess I just want to know if I can remove it from a LTSP server without having problems with anything after that
[18:21] <cemc> not remove it but stop it from running by default
[18:21] <patdk-wk> most likely :)
[18:25] <cemc> patdk-wk: I like that answer :-) what about atd ? I did not really see anything using that (I mean nothing what I'm using).
[18:25] <patdk-wk> depends on what you do
[18:26] <patdk-wk> if you never use at, then you don't need atd I believe
[18:26] <patdk-wk> not exactly sure how the ubuntu cron works, I think I remember freebsd cron was built on at, or at ontop of cron
[18:29] <cemc> mmm, not sure, I think they are two separate things
[18:37] <ethicalhack3r> hello all, trying to install *only* x server so that I can install openbox on ubuntu server minimal, 'apt-get install xorg' also installs gnome, any way to stop apt-get installing gnome as well as x server
[18:37] <ethicalhack3r> ?
[18:39] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: try installing something like xserver-xorg-core
[18:40] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: thanks! just read about installing 'gdm', any thoughts?
[18:40] <patdk-wk> hmm, doing xfce seems to not install much gnome stuff, only one or two items
[18:40] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: not sure, I would start out with only minimal stuff, check with apt-get depends gpm , you'll see what that pulls in
[18:41] <patdk-wk> xfce doesn't pull in gdm :)
[18:42] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: trying xserver-xorg-core now, thanks!
[18:43] <cemc> maybe that won't be enough, but you'll find out I guess. or you could try what patdk-wk said. install xfce, then remove it if you don't need it, that way you should get an actual working X I guess
[18:44] <ethicalhack3r> I will see what it gives me, if its not enough I will look into xfce, think xfce is much larger than openbox/fluxbox?
[18:45] <ethicalhack3r> if I had the choice I wouldnt be installing any window managers at all, but needs must :(
[18:46] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: try twm :-P
[18:46] <Proxymalz> good evening, need german support plz query me
[18:46] <cemc> doesnt get more basic than that, hehe
[18:46] <Pici> !de | Proxymalz
[18:47] <ethicalhack3r> argh! some how gnome has snook on my system again, its like the friggin plauge!
[18:48] <cemc> :)
[18:48] <ethicalhack3r> will see how much space gnome takes up, might be smaller than I am anticipating
[18:49] <cemc> unlikely :)
[18:51] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: why do you need X anyway?
[18:53] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: I am creating a live cd for DVWA (http://www.dvwa.co.uk), I'm doing a workshop using the livecd where there is no network connectivity, so I need a browser on the live cd for the audience to interact with the application
[18:54] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: it's all in the browser, you don't need anything else?
[18:54] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: yea, just need firefox
[18:56] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: maybe you could try running firefox directly, without any desktop/window manager? if there are no other windows/popups, it might work
[18:56] <cemc> ;)
[18:57] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: you think firefox would run without a window manager? the reason I also need the livecd to be as small as possible is because the iso will be available for download, so the smaller the final iso is, the better
[18:58] <cemc> just put an .xsession file in the user's home, run firefox from that, then startx, and you'll see...
[18:59] <cemc> maybe a fullscreen firefox, if you can start it directly in fullscreen somehow
[19:00] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: found a nice tut :) => http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/app-setup.html
[19:01] <cemc> mhm
[19:45] <Shane-S> trying to figure out what my IP's went DHCP, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/tmH0YHkF is my /etc/network/interfaces file. I have 2 ubunut LAMP 10.04 servers, same setup, just .11 and .12 for IPs. Both resorted back to DHCP over the weekend, not sure why
[19:45] <Shane-S> when I did ifdown eth0 and ifup eht0 both came back to their static addresses
[19:46] <Shane-S> all I can guess is that I never restarted the systems after the interfaces file change, I just used ifdown/up
[19:51] <qman__> make sure dhcp processes aren't still running
[19:57] <Shane-S> gonna sound dumb, how do I do that?
[20:03] <qman__> ps aux | grep dhc
[20:04] <jeiworth> Shane-S: also, having servers with static ip here as well i recommend deinstalling dhcp client alltogtether, no need for it anyway
[20:04] <qman__> dhclient can be very persistent
[20:04] <qman__> hate to forfeit some linux geek cred, but rebooting is the easiest way to defeat it
[20:05] <Shane-S> okay...I got 1 reply to the command
[20:05] <qman__> probably the grep
[20:05] <jeiworth> qman__: that's just wrong ;oP
[20:06] <jeiworth> rebooting...brrrrrrr
[20:06]  * jeiworth shivers
[20:07] <qman__> restarting the networking service is supposed to fix it, but it doesn't always work
[20:07] <jeiworth> Shane-S: sudo aptitude purge dhcp3-client
[20:08] <jeiworth> Shane-S: and never any more problems
[20:10] <Shane-S> okay will do that jeiworth ...sorry for delay got a help desk call
[20:11] <jeiworth> don't worry
[20:12] <Shane-S> so the client can actually make the server obtain and address sometimes, that is weird
[20:12] <Shane-S> I thought config files rules processes/services :P
[20:13] <Shane-S> well I will test it on one of the servers, and leave the other be, then see if that solved it, they are identical VMs, just running different webservices
[20:13] <Shane-S> Thank you all for the help!
[20:14] <Shane-S> Irony is I got the help desk call, because it was my OSTicket server that changed to DHCP :P
 I thought config files rules processes/services :P <-- yeah, i thought this behaviour to be quite strange also, hence the somewhat radical approach but in the end, since it's a server and uses static ip there is no need for the dhcp client running all the time in the background anyway.
[20:24] <jeiworth> less being installed in the first place, even
[20:24] <jeiworth> waste of resources ;)
[20:32] <cswells> Hello is this Ubuntu server support?
[20:33] <Pici> cswells: Yessir.
[20:34] <cswells> When i start the install process. It pushes all the text to one side of the screen making it impossable to read the prompts
[20:35] <cswells> i tried vga=771, fb=False, and start_pcmcia=false
[20:36] <cswells> is there a way to manualy set the res lets say 800x640?
[20:37] <qman__> cswells, with 10.04, use nomodeset
[20:37] <cswells> ill give it a try
[20:38] <qman__> it's a new feature to support modern displays, but unfortunately, compatibility isn't that great
[20:38] <qman__> and it only works with the open source nvidia and ati drivers
[20:39] <cswells> nope... just made the part of the screen it doesn't use green
[20:39] <patdk-wk> I finally got mine working nice with my nvidia card using nvidia drivers
[20:39] <patdk-wk> but for servers, ya, nomodeset, and maybe gfxmode=text
[20:40] <qman__> it shocked me with the 1280x800 text console
[20:40] <qman__> but then installing nvidia binary drivers put it back to 80x25
[20:40] <qman__> (on my laptop)
[20:41] <qman__> I would complain but it's about time the linux console supported more than SVGA
[20:42] <cswells> gfxmode=text didn't work ether
[20:42] <qman__> nomodeset should be giving you a standard 80x25 terminal
[20:42] <cswells> its an old Acer aspire 5000
[20:43] <cswells> yeah but its only apearing on 1/8th of my monitor
[20:43] <cswells> the other 7/8 th's is unused
[20:43] <qman__> right in the center?
[20:43] <cswells> 1/8 th on the left
[20:43] <cswells> the rest on the right is unused
[20:44] <qman__> sure the display is okay? also, what graphics chip is it?
[20:44] <cswells> its a via
[20:44] <cswells> yeah the display works fine with ubuntu desktop
[20:45] <cswells> but i want to use my old laptop as an ftp storage
[20:45] <cswells> that i can access from school
[20:45] <qman__> so X can handle it but the ttys are no good?
[20:45] <cswells> i guess
[20:45] <qman__> did you try the terminals from within ubuntu desktop?
[20:45] <cswells> yeah
[20:45] <cswells> everything in Desktop is good
[20:45] <qman__> ctrl alt F1, etc
[20:45] <cswells> but server i cant install because it is smushing everthing together on the left of the screen
[20:46] <cswells> yeah i believe so let me check real fast
[20:46] <cswells> havn't formated the drive yet
[20:47] <cswells> oh the ttys are bad in desktop aswell
[20:47] <cswells> but X looks good :)
[20:47] <qman__> well then, it's definitely a graphics issue
[20:48] <cswells> yeah
[20:48] <qman__> I ran into something similar with a radeon 200M, the solution was to use open source drivers instead of fglrx
[20:48] <qman__> but with a via chip, not really sure what you can do
[20:49] <cswells> should i try ubuntu server 8 lts
[20:49] <qman__> maybe pass some parameters to the module
[20:49] <qman__> worth a try
[20:49] <qman__> 8.04 doesn't have plymouth and the new KMS
[20:49] <cswells> my only fear is... if i upgrade to 10
[20:49] <cswells> it breaks it :(
[20:49] <qman__> it will
[20:49] <qman__> you'd have to stick with 8.04
[20:50] <qman__> it's got about three years worth of support left, far as updates are concerned
[20:50] <qman__> so as long as the major software versions and feature set are good enough, you could use it
[20:52] <cswells> i cant find the download link on ubuntu's site
[20:52] <cswells> for 8
[20:52] <cswells> maybe sourceforage?
[20:52] <qman__> nah, one sec
[20:52] <kklimonda> !hardy
[20:52] <qman__> the site burys it a bit
[20:53] <kklimonda> cswells: ^^
[20:53] <qman__> ah, there you go
[20:54] <cswells> awww shucks guys you make my blush :)
[21:06] <cswells> ah ha, ubuntu server 8 burned to disk
[21:09] <cswells> same issue
[21:16] <mconigliaro> is anyone using ubuntu 10.04 on ec2? there used to be a script at /etc/init.d/ec2-init that ran the user data script, and it would log to /var/log/messages. this seems to have changed in 10.04, and now i have no idea how the user data script is being run or where its output is going...
[21:29] <mathiaz> smoser: hi - trying to use the puppet user-data hook on maverick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/490006/
[21:30] <smoser> mathiaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/490007/ . yeah. sorry. :-(
[21:31] <smoser> you want to open a bug for me ?
[21:31] <mathiaz> smoser: sure - how can I fix it?
[21:31] <mathiaz> smoser: bzr branch?
[21:32] <smoser> well, test that pastebin fix.
[21:32] <smoser> i'm guessing thats all you need.
[21:32] <smoser> i can build a new cloud-init if you'd like asap.
[21:33] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - I'll test that and let you know about the results
[21:38] <_Techie_> anybody in here want to rage at me for having my nick change when i connect/disconnect to my BNC?
[21:39] <ajmitch> _Techie_: nick changes can be ignored, public away messages in channel are what annoy most people
[21:40] <_Techie_> ajmitch: cool, because one of the tech's in #xubuntu went off at me when i connected to my BNC
[21:40] <ajmitch> how silly
[21:42] <_Techie_> i know, i said goodbye to one of the tech's that i respect highly in there and left
[21:45] <new_to_irssi> part
[22:28] <_Techie_> is 9.10 still supported, and if it is... when till?
[22:29] <soren> _Techie_: It's supported for 18 months (starting October 2009).
[22:29] <soren> _Techie_: So until April 2011.
[22:29] <_Techie_> soren: thanks
[22:57] <Kaelten> anyone have any advice about how to tweak net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range and net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout
[22:57] <Kaelten> I need to maximize my servers ability to connect to a given db server
[22:57] <Kaelten> not sure what's safe settings on them though
[23:02] <SpamapS> Kaelten: err, why would you want to DoS your db server from one box?
[23:03] <SpamapS> Kaelten: there are a number of ways to pool connections so you don't need many thousands...
[23:04] <Kaelten> SpamapS: I'm dealing with third party php applications mainly
[23:05] <Kaelten> and pconnect isn't solving the bottlenecks
[23:05] <Kaelten> SpamapS: so I'm open to suggestions on how to pool them
[23:05] <SpamapS> Kaelten: pconnect often makes it worse. ;)
[23:05] <Kaelten> i'd beleive it
[23:06] <SpamapS> 3rd party your options aren't so great
[23:08] <Kaelten> so I either tweak the tcp stack, or I try not great, or I throw more ips at it
[23:08] <SpamapS> Kaelten: if you have any sway over the app design at all, I like using things like gearman or dbslayer to control and coalesce db access... but if you are stuck with apps using mysql_* then there's not much hope.
[23:08] <SpamapS> you're fighting a losing battle there
[23:08] <Kaelten> yup
[23:08] <Kaelten> but that's the job description
[23:08] <SpamapS> mysql will eat up ram per connection pretty fast if you let it
[23:09] <Kaelten> db boxes have ungodly amounts of ram
[23:09] <Kaelten> the fact I've gotten vbulletin to scale as much as it has is pretty impressive in my book, and honestly I may be worrying about a bottleneck that'll never be there.
[23:09] <SpamapS> Kaelten: I've heard a few people who have had success with this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_dbd.html
[23:09] <Kaelten> hrm, I don't run apache though :/
[23:10] <Kaelten> I saw that mysql proxy has a lua script that does some form of pooling
[23:10] <Kaelten> but that seems fishy
[23:10] <SpamapS> Oh you're running, what, fastcgi?
[23:10] <SpamapS> mysql proxy isn't fishy, but it is REALLY damn slow
[23:11] <Kaelten> fpm behind an nginx server
[23:12] <Kaelten> currently I'm dealing with net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range = 32768    61000 and a timeout of 60
[23:12] <Kaelten> which seems pretty reasonable defaults
[23:12] <Kaelten> but there is a point where it starts to teeter out
[23:16] <SpamapS> Kaelten: why are your timeouts so high?
[23:16] <SpamapS> I'd be at 3 - 5 seconds
[23:17] <Kaelten> well I'm talking about net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout
[23:17] <SpamapS> those timeouts don't apply when the database is actually doing something
[23:17] <SpamapS> still for a LAN...
[23:18] <Kaelten> ya it's all gigabit lan traffic
[23:18] <Kaelten> I was debating turning it down lower
[23:18] <Kaelten> part of the reason I asked for input :)
[23:18] <SpamapS> also for a LAN tw_recycle and tw_reuse are fine
[23:19] <Kaelten> not familure with those two
[23:19] <Kaelten> any thoughts on what a safe tcp_fin_timeout should be
[23:19] <SpamapS> oh that will probably solve your problem
[23:19] <SpamapS> tcp_fin_timeout should be totally safe at 30
[23:20] <SpamapS> tcp_tw_reuse will cause the network stack to re-use the same connections that are in TIME_WAIT rather than wait for them to be completely destroyed
[23:20] <SpamapS> tcp_tw_recycle will do it even more aggressively
[23:21] <SpamapS> Kaelten: give reuse a try, if it solves your issue, let it be. recycle should be fine too, but it is known to break *some* programs that depend on tcp behaviors being 100% rfc compliant
[23:21] <Kaelten> cool thanks for the input
[23:29] <Kaelten> SpamapS: sidenote, should I set these things on the client or the server or both?
[23:29] <SpamapS> Kaelten: wherever the TIME_WAIT's are stacking up
[23:30] <Kaelten> k
[23:30] <Kaelten> thanks
[23:30] <SpamapS> any time
[23:36]  * RoyK found a rather old computer at work today http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5155.html only pimped up with  640kB RAM, a 10MB harddrive and an 8087 FPU :D
[23:37] <Patrickdk> nice, reminds me of my kaypro :)
[23:38] <Patrickdk> http://oldcomputers.net/kayproii.html
[23:38] <RoyK> hehe
[23:39] <RoyK> two full-height floppy drives!
[23:39] <RoyK> 5 1/4"?
[23:39] <Patrickdk> yep
[23:39] <Patrickdk> some of them had optional 10mb drives, but mine was as in the picture
[23:39] <Patrickdk> the top picture :)
[23:40] <RoyK> strange thing, the IBM came the year after
[23:40] <RoyK> only 4,77MHz IIRC, but with tonnes of RAM
[23:41] <Patrickdk> hheh, tons == >64k :)
[23:41] <Patrickdk> http://oldcomputers.net/ti994.html
[23:41] <Patrickdk> used one of them for years too
[23:41] <RoyK> well, 640 = 10x64
[23:42] <Patrickdk> hmm, it doesn't show the expantion chassis though
[23:43] <RoyK> I booted the box, and it turned out it was running PC DOS 2.10 booting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_(operating_system)
[23:43] <RoyK> running some meteorological app with serial i/o at about 1200 baud
[23:43] <RoyK> well, supported up to 9600
[23:44] <Patrickdk> the kaypro2 did 9600, send only, it could only receive at 2400 (maybe 4800 not sure)
[23:46] <RoyK> IIRC the 8250 supported more than 9600, but that depended on the software
[23:55] <YankDownUnder> Super Z-Modem!