| astraljava | ScottL: I can probably test tonight and see whether maverick finally installs on my env or not. | 05:18 |
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| ScottL | astraljava, i think i found the problem (but please test it as well) | 05:19 |
| ScottL | it seems that our version of zynjacku/lv2rack (they come from the same source) expects lashd to be isntalled | 05:19 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Ahh... okay. But yeah, I'll check it out. | 05:20 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Err... wait, not tonight, but tomorrow. I'll be home today at around 9 pm. | 05:20 |
| persia | That might be a missing dependency: if the app doesn't work without lashd, we ought force lashd to be installed simultaneously when people install the app. | 05:21 |
| quadrispro | ScottL, http://debomatic64.debian.net/unstable/pool/swh-lv2_1.0.15+20091215.git2358739-1/ | 11:19 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, awesome! but i forget, does ubuntu sync from testing or unstable? | 12:26 |
| ScottL | if ubuntu syncs from testing, how soon before swh-lv2 hits testing? | 12:26 |
| ScottL | LP: #613145 | 12:26 |
| ScottL | bug 613145 | 12:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 613145 in zynjacku (Ubuntu) "zynjacku crashed with TypeError in main()" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613145 | 12:27 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, even if you fix this bug, persia and i had talked about including lash in natty | 12:27 |
| quadrispro | well | 12:34 |
| quadrispro | working on swh-lv2 packaging, there are a number of things to fix | 12:34 |
| ScottL | oh :( | 12:35 |
| quadrispro | s/are/is/ ? :/ oh, my bad english | 12:35 |
| quadrispro | persia knows how bad is my english :( | 12:35 |
| ScottL | are was correct for a plural noun (there) | 12:35 |
| ScottL | especially with "things" in the predicate of the sentence | 12:36 |
| quadrispro | ther is a number | 12:36 |
| quadrispro | there * | 12:36 |
| quadrispro | mmmh | 12:36 |
| ScottL | correct | 12:36 |
| ScottL | :) | 12:36 |
| quadrispro | yep :) | 12:36 |
| quadrispro | yuppie | 12:36 |
| ScottL | lol | 12:36 |
| ScottL | i just want to point out again, quadrispro, your help is astounding and studio is really seeing great benefits from it :) | 12:37 |
| quadrispro | thanks : | 12:37 |
| quadrispro | ) | 12:37 |
| quadrispro | I'm happy of that | 12:39 |
| quadrispro | see you later! | 12:57 |
| persia | ScottL, Just for confirmation, fixing the bug in the way that the package depends on lash automatically includes lash in the images. Doesn't address the overall using-lash-to-make-life-easy thing (that's natty) | 13:44 |
| scott-work | detrate`: i'm still exploring avenues for getting the website done in drupal but i have to admit that i'm running out of options | 15:01 |
| scott-work | detrate`: if things continue the way they are it would seem we would need to explore word press (or other cms) and find replacement hosting | 15:02 |
| scott-work | detrate`: would you still be interested in helping with the website ? | 15:02 |
| ryanpg | hi, I was just over on #ubuntustudio but perhaps this is a better channel | 15:47 |
| ryanpg | I'm getting anxious about the state of jackd in 10.10, several major applications have conflicting requirements for jackd and jackd2 | 15:47 |
| ryanpg | with 10.10 being released in one month, it doesn't seem likely there will be a functional jackd "environment" available. Am I understanding the situation correctly? | 15:48 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: i don't think so, i've downloaded and installed the beta version and jack works for me :) | 15:49 |
| scott-work | but i'm just using it to record guitar, bass, and vocals from my delta44 and get drums from hydrogen all into ardour | 15:50 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: can you give some specific examples of major applications having conflicting requirements for jackd and jack2 | 15:51 |
| ryanpg | hi scott-work one example: ardour and supercollider | 15:52 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: hmmm, ardour worked for me in the beta version, but i don't use supercollider | 15:52 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: have you tried the beta version to see how it works? | 15:53 |
| ryanpg | scott-work, ok - it may be just a few cases then - yes, I'm running beta | 15:53 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: so is supercollider not working properly with jack for you? | 15:54 |
| ryanpg | scott-work, it cannot be installed due to conflicting requirements | 15:54 |
| holstein | ryanpg: do you still have list? | 15:55 |
| holstein | from synaptic or whatever | 15:55 |
| scott-work | hmmm, many packages needed to be rebuilt against the new jack and have been, this may have been one that was overlooked | 15:56 |
| holstein | scott-work: i bet | 15:56 |
| scott-work | hi holstein , i said we would probably talk this morning :) | 15:56 |
| holstein | its not in be default right? | 15:56 |
| holstein | that would make sense | 15:56 |
| scott-work | correct, i just checked | 15:56 |
| holstein | scott-work: :) | 15:56 |
| scott-work | holstein: following our conversation last night, when you are thinking about packages, try to think in terms of "workflows" | 15:57 |
| holstein | yeah, i was reading that over the OSMP | 15:57 |
| holstein | i like that idea quite a bit | 15:57 |
| scott-work | the idea would be to identify specific workflows, include the apps, and docuement | 15:57 |
| scott-work | oh, okay :) | 15:57 |
| scott-work | not my idea, it was persia's, but it's brilliant i think | 15:57 |
| * ryanpg removes some ppa repo's and backs out some changes | 15:58 | |
| holstein | i think we can come up with several quite different ones from the pool of OSMP users | 15:58 |
| holstein | if you just take [lsd] and I | 15:58 |
| holstein | we have totally different needs | 15:58 |
| holstein | and the podcasters too | 15:58 |
| holstein | great idea persia | 15:59 |
| holstein | scott-work: i had a section on the WIKI about that | 15:59 |
| holstein | i'll try and make some noise about it | 15:59 |
| scott-work | holstein: the osm wiki ? or ubuntu wiki? | 15:59 |
| holstein | and get some contributors there | 15:59 |
| holstein | the OSM one | 15:59 |
| holstein | even if they dont run ubuntustudio | 16:00 |
| holstein | the workflow could still be useful | 16:00 |
| scott-work | i had thought about podcasters as well, even streaming live audio like we were talkging about | 16:00 |
| scott-work | holstein: oh, i asked the guy about internet at the party, he said they could accomodate that so i'll try to stream audio :) | 16:00 |
| holstein | w00t :) | 16:00 |
| ryanpg | ok, I think I discovered what's going on - supercollider is apparently not included in 10.10 ? I must have added a ppa with a version that requires an earlier version of jackd | 16:02 |
| holstein | ryanpg: its good to catch that though | 16:02 |
| ryanpg | holstein, thanks - but it's muuuuch better that I was wrong about the state of affairs with jackd! | 16:03 |
| ryanpg | :) | 16:03 |
| holstein | scott-work: thats probably one for the list | 16:04 |
| scott-work | oh, yeah...i had checked to see if it was in ubuntu studio by default, i just now checked and it's not in the official archives at all! | 16:04 |
| holstein | to think about | 16:04 |
| holstein | supercollider | 16:04 |
| scott-work | holstein: i think there are some licensing issues, i seem to remember persia and maybe quadrispro talking about upstream | 16:04 |
| holstein | AH | 16:04 |
| holstein | scott-work: when are the meetings here? | 16:05 |
| scott-work | i could be misremembering this though, i'll look at debian | 16:06 |
| holstein | i wouldnt mind to get a list of those packages together | 16:06 |
| holstein | the ones with questionalbe legal states | 16:06 |
| holstein | and put that up on a wiki somewhere | 16:06 |
| holstein | so that can be referenced if that comes up | 16:06 |
| scott-work | yeah, supercollider is not in debian either, most likely licensing then | 16:06 |
| ryanpg | perhaps I'm mis-remembering, but I thought supercollider was included previously - wonder what changed | 16:06 |
| scott-work | that's a good idea holstein, along with a reason why the package is not included with links to email or whatnot | 16:07 |
| holstein | OH | 16:07 |
| holstein | even better | 16:07 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: according to ubuntu packages, it was in dapper only http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=supercollider | 16:07 |
| ryanpg | yeah, just checking that now | 16:08 |
| ryanpg | wow, that was quite some time ago | 16:08 |
| scott-work | holstein: troy_s had also suggested also suggested a wiki page with the rationale for why apps are *included* in studio as well | 16:09 |
| scott-work | good example is network-admin vs network-manager | 16:09 |
| holstein | scott-work: thats the kind of thing i can help with right now | 16:09 |
| holstein | im working on my wiki-foo | 16:09 |
| holstein | akgraner is schooling me :) | 16:09 |
| scott-work | lol, i looked at the supercollider package in launchpad, last build was 234 weeks ago :) | 16:10 |
| scott-work | cool holstein | 16:10 |
| ryanpg | apparently there's not much need for supercollider on ubuntu :) | 16:10 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: you might send an email to the owner of the ppa with supercollider about rebuilding it against the new jack | 16:10 |
| ryanpg | scott-work, good idea | 16:11 |
| scott-work | ryanpg: i found this one also, don't know if you are using it or another or even if this one has been rebuilt https://launchpad.net/~supercollider/+archive/ppa | 16:11 |
| ryanpg | yes, that's the ppa I used - it has not been rebuilt | 16:11 |
| * holstein wonders if falktx has it | 16:11 | |
| ryanpg | oh, I know Артём Попов :) | 16:12 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid | 16:12 |
| ryanpg | artfwo | 16:12 |
| holstein | nah | 16:13 |
| holstein | i dont see it in falks PPA | 16:13 |
| ryanpg | I think artfwo is the guy to go to for supercollider | 16:15 |
| holstein | cool | 16:15 |
| holstein | falktx is the kind of guy who would fix it to include it in KXstudio | 16:16 |
| holstein | and put it in that PPA | 16:16 |
| ryanpg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtemPopov | 16:16 |
| holstein | BB | 16:16 |
| ryanpg | ok, I contacted artfwo | 16:50 |
| ryanpg | his packages are being used by puredyne btw | 16:50 |
| holstein | AH | 16:50 |
| ryanpg | he has submitted supercollider to revo for ubuntu | 16:50 |
| scott-work | holstein: we haven't really had meeting in a while because not enough people were attending, and those that did attend often didn't work on what they said they would | 16:50 |
| holstein | ryanpg: thanks | 16:50 |
| ryanpg | there are problems with the way libraries are named - which is why supercollider is not inlcuded | 16:50 |
| ryanpg | holstein, welcome | 16:50 |
| holstein | scott-work: maybe we can talk about that too | 16:50 |
| ryanpg | I have a working PPA now with rebuilt supercollider | 16:51 |
| scott-work | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/supercollider | 16:51 |
| holstein | we've had the same thing going on with out LOCO | 16:51 |
| holstein | our LOCO* | 16:51 |
| ryanpg | also, he tells me that the new cmake build system should fix the issues with supercollider | 16:51 |
| holstein | we went to monthly meetings instead of bi-monthly | 16:51 |
| holstein | we'll see | 16:51 |
| ryanpg | ppa:artfwo/ppa btw | 16:52 |
| ryanpg | apparently artfwo was a big part of the "revolution" to jackd2 | 16:52 |
| scott-work | is artfwo nedko ? | 16:53 |
| scott-work | that's confusing | 16:53 |
| ryanpg | I don't think so | 16:53 |
| scott-work | i know someone named nedko who has worked on jack2, is he the same person as artfwo? | 16:53 |
| scott-work | lol you already answered my confusing question | 16:53 |
| ryanpg | https://launchpad.net/~artfwo I also know nedko - but yea different | 16:54 |
| scott-work | holstein: will you be around in an hour? i'd like to talk some more but i really need to get some work done at work ;) | 16:54 |
| holstein | i should be | 16:54 |
| ryanpg | way OT - but what's the deal with all the .save files in /etc/apt/ in 10.10 | 16:55 |
| ryanpg | bbl, restarting X | 17:04 |
| * abogani waves | 18:04 | |
| holstein | abogani: :) | 18:08 |
| abogani | holstein, Hi Mike. | 18:09 |
| scott-work | hi abogani , are you doing okay today? | 18:13 |
| abogani | scott-work, Well thanks. | 18:14 |
| scott-work | JFo: are we still planning on talking about kernels today? | 18:14 |
| jussi | scott-work: We dont normally recommend debian packages to users of ubuntu, as they can break stuff. Ive no idea how the one you mentioned is, but its bad practice in any case. | 18:21 |
| JFo | scott-work, sorry about that, was in a meeting | 18:22 |
| JFo | we can chat if you like :) | 18:22 |
| * holstein thought it was just mentioning where the work was happening on guitarix | 18:22 | |
| scott-work | jussi: i shall refrain from doing that in the future then, thank you for making me aware of the potential problem :) | 18:22 |
| jussi | scott-work: no probs, always glad to help if I can. :) | 18:23 |
| scott-work | JFo: oh, no problem for me, i've been quite busy with the usual "monday morning" events even though it's tuesday :) | 18:23 |
| JFo | heh, same here | 18:24 |
| JFo | had 2 meetings that weren't on my calendar before that last one | 18:24 |
| JFo | ,-death by meeting | 18:24 |
| scott-work | JFo: did you want to discuss this with some of the other kernel members? | 18:24 |
| scott-work | lol, yeah, i get the "we have a problem we need to solve right NOW" meetings as well :) | 18:25 |
| scott-work | argh, i had wanted to start working on team reports already for ubuntu studio and keep putting it off :P | 18:25 |
| JFo | scott-work, we can if you like, but I have been given some guidance on the subject of -rt, -preempt or -lowlatency kernels | 18:25 |
| scott-work | JFo: sweet :) | 18:25 |
| scott-work | i'm good just talking to you | 18:26 |
| JFo | want to talk here about it or in a private wondow? | 18:26 |
| JFo | window rather | 18:26 |
| scott-work | whichever you feel is appropriate :) | 18:26 |
| scott-work | holstein: would you like to continue some of our previous converstaion about meetings and wiki pages? | 18:28 |
| holstein | sure | 18:28 |
| scott-work | you were mentioning your loco meetings and i thought there might be a tangent you wanted to explore in relation to ubuntu studio :) | 18:29 |
| holstein | i just think it might be a good idea to log the progess | 18:30 |
| holstein | we've just been plugging through them | 18:30 |
| holstein | meetings | 18:30 |
| holstein | and it shows that something is going on | 18:30 |
| holstein | and folks do go and check the logs | 18:30 |
| holstein | more than i though would at least | 18:31 |
| holstein | scott-work: maybe we could just schedule one? | 18:31 |
| holstein | a meeting | 18:31 |
| holstein | and i could get a little louder about it over in OSM's | 18:31 |
| holstein | get those ubuntu folk here maybe | 18:31 |
| holstein | scott-work: but i know your busy too | 18:32 |
| scott-work | holstein: oh, i could certainly make time for a meeting :) | 18:33 |
| holstein | what was the normal thing? | 18:34 |
| holstein | monthly? | 18:34 |
| holstein | then we could talk about wiki's and what not then | 18:34 |
| holstein | maybe establish a line of communication with myself and the list | 18:34 |
| holstein | and i can figure out where to put some of that information we talked about | 18:35 |
| scott-work | holstein: yes, it tended to be monthly as best as we could ;) | 18:37 |
| scott-work | holstein: the other thing we were discussing was the wiki pages, if you want to start a wiki page that'd be oustanding, i'll add what i can as well :) | 18:44 |
| holstein | scott-work: mabye i can just find one that already existing and update | 18:45 |
| holstein | or add to it | 18:45 |
| holstein | but, im totally on board for that | 18:46 |
| scott-work | it's kind of surprising that an email about gnome-network-admin being fixed didn't receive any replies :/ | 21:24 |
| scott-work | i would have thought many people would be estatic about it | 21:25 |
| abogani | scott-work, I never received an reply on my emails about -rt in three years. So I suspect that this is the "normal" behavior. :-) | 21:28 |
| * persia doesn't know of any licensing issues with supercollider | 23:37 | |
| persia | Ah: found it. There used to be lots of issues (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454257 ), which I believe upstream has mostly fixed, but nobody has done the work to get it back in the repositories. | 23:40 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 454257 in ftp.debian.org "RM: supercollider -- RoQA; RC-buggy, few users" [Normal,Open] | 23:40 |
| holstein | persia: good news | 23:40 |
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