[05:18] <astraljava> ScottL: I can probably test tonight and see whether maverick finally installs on my env or not.
[05:19] <ScottL> astraljava, i think i found the problem (but please test it as well)
[05:19] <ScottL> it seems that our version of zynjacku/lv2rack (they come from the same source) expects lashd to be isntalled
[05:20] <astraljava> ScottL: Ahh... okay. But yeah, I'll check it out.
[05:20] <astraljava> ScottL: Err... wait, not tonight, but tomorrow. I'll be home today at around 9 pm.
[05:21] <persia> That might be a missing dependency: if the app doesn't work without lashd, we ought force lashd to be installed simultaneously when people install the app.
[11:19] <quadrispro> ScottL, http://debomatic64.debian.net/unstable/pool/swh-lv2_1.0.15+20091215.git2358739-1/
[12:26] <ScottL> quadrispro, awesome! but i forget, does ubuntu sync from testing or unstable?
[12:26] <ScottL> if ubuntu syncs from testing, how soon before swh-lv2 hits testing?
[12:26] <ScottL> LP: #613145
[12:27] <ScottL> bug 613145
[12:27] <ScottL> quadrispro, even if you fix this bug, persia and i had talked about including lash in natty
[12:34] <quadrispro> well
[12:34] <quadrispro> working on swh-lv2 packaging, there are a number of things to fix
[12:35] <ScottL> oh :(
[12:35] <quadrispro> s/are/is/ ? :/ oh, my bad english
[12:35] <quadrispro> persia knows how bad is my english :(
[12:35] <ScottL> are was correct for a plural noun (there)
[12:36] <ScottL> especially with "things" in the predicate of the sentence
[12:36] <quadrispro> ther is a number
[12:36] <quadrispro> there *
[12:36] <quadrispro> mmmh
[12:36] <ScottL> correct
[12:36] <ScottL> :)
[12:36] <quadrispro> yep :)
[12:36] <quadrispro> yuppie
[12:36] <ScottL> lol
[12:37] <ScottL> i just want to point out again, quadrispro, your help is astounding and studio is really seeing great benefits from it :)
[12:37] <quadrispro> thanks :
[12:37] <quadrispro> )
[12:39] <quadrispro> I'm happy of that
[12:57] <quadrispro> see you later!
[13:44] <persia> ScottL, Just for confirmation, fixing the bug in the way that the package depends on lash automatically includes lash in the images.  Doesn't address the overall using-lash-to-make-life-easy thing (that's natty)
[15:01] <scott-work> detrate`: i'm still exploring avenues for getting the website done in drupal but i have to admit that i'm running out of options
[15:02] <scott-work> detrate`: if things continue the way they are it would seem we would need to explore word press (or other cms) and find replacement hosting
[15:02] <scott-work> detrate`: would you still be interested in helping with the website ?
[15:47] <ryanpg> hi, I was just over on #ubuntustudio but perhaps this is a better channel
[15:47] <ryanpg> I'm getting anxious about the state of jackd in 10.10, several major applications have conflicting requirements for jackd and jackd2
[15:48] <ryanpg> with 10.10 being released in one month, it doesn't seem likely there will be a functional jackd "environment" available. Am I understanding the situation correctly?
[15:49] <scott-work> ryanpg: i don't think so, i've downloaded and installed the beta version and jack works for me :)
[15:50] <scott-work> but i'm just using it to record guitar, bass, and vocals from my delta44 and get drums from hydrogen all into ardour
[15:51] <scott-work> ryanpg: can you give some specific examples of major applications having conflicting requirements for jackd and jack2
[15:52] <ryanpg> hi scott-work one example: ardour and supercollider
[15:52] <scott-work> ryanpg: hmmm, ardour worked for me in the beta version, but i don't use supercollider
[15:53] <scott-work> ryanpg: have you tried the beta version to see how it works?
[15:53] <ryanpg> scott-work, ok - it may be just a few cases then - yes, I'm running beta
[15:54] <scott-work> ryanpg:  so is supercollider not working properly with jack for you?
[15:54] <ryanpg> scott-work, it cannot be installed due to conflicting requirements
[15:55] <holstein> ryanpg: do you still have list?
[15:55] <holstein> from synaptic or whatever
[15:56] <scott-work> hmmm, many packages needed to be rebuilt against the new jack and have been, this may have been one that was overlooked
[15:56] <holstein> scott-work: i bet
[15:56] <scott-work> hi holstein , i said we would probably talk this morning :)
[15:56] <holstein> its not in be default right?
[15:56] <holstein> that would make sense
[15:56] <scott-work> correct, i just checked
[15:56] <holstein> scott-work: :)
[15:57] <scott-work> holstein:  following our conversation last night, when you are thinking about packages, try to think in terms of "workflows"
[15:57] <holstein> yeah, i was reading that over the OSMP
[15:57] <holstein> i like that idea quite a bit
[15:57] <scott-work> the idea would be to identify specific workflows, include the apps, and docuement
[15:57] <scott-work> oh, okay :)
[15:57] <scott-work> not my idea, it was persia's, but it's brilliant i think
[15:58]  * ryanpg removes some ppa repo's and backs out some changes
[15:58] <holstein> i think we can come up with several quite different ones from the pool of OSMP users
[15:58] <holstein> if you just take [lsd] and I
[15:58] <holstein> we have totally different needs
[15:58] <holstein> and the podcasters too
[15:59] <holstein> great idea persia 
[15:59] <holstein> scott-work: i had a section on the WIKI about that
[15:59] <holstein> i'll try and make some noise about it
[15:59] <scott-work> holstein: the osm wiki ? or ubuntu wiki?
[15:59] <holstein> and get some contributors there
[15:59] <holstein> the OSM one
[16:00] <holstein> even if they dont run ubuntustudio
[16:00] <holstein> the workflow could still be useful
[16:00] <scott-work> i had thought about podcasters as well, even streaming live audio like we were talkging about
[16:00] <scott-work> holstein: oh, i asked the guy about internet at the party, he said they could accomodate that so i'll try to stream audio :)
[16:00] <holstein> w00t :)
[16:02] <ryanpg> ok, I think I discovered what's going on - supercollider is apparently not included in 10.10 ? I must have added a ppa with a version that requires an earlier version of jackd
[16:02] <holstein> ryanpg: its good to catch that though
[16:03] <ryanpg> holstein, thanks - but it's muuuuch better that I was wrong about the state of affairs with jackd!
[16:03] <ryanpg> :)
[16:04] <holstein> scott-work: thats probably one for the list
[16:04] <scott-work> oh, yeah...i had checked to see if it was in ubuntu studio by default, i just now checked and it's not in the official archives at all!
[16:04] <holstein> to think about
[16:04] <holstein> supercollider
[16:04] <scott-work> holstein: i think there are some licensing issues, i seem to remember persia and maybe quadrispro talking about upstream
[16:04] <holstein> AH
[16:05] <holstein> scott-work: when are the meetings here?
[16:06] <scott-work> i could be misremembering this though, i'll look at debian
[16:06] <holstein> i wouldnt mind to get a list of those packages together
[16:06] <holstein> the ones with questionalbe legal states
[16:06] <holstein> and put that up on a wiki somewhere
[16:06] <holstein> so that can be referenced if that comes up
[16:06] <scott-work> yeah, supercollider is not in debian either, most likely licensing then
[16:06] <ryanpg> perhaps I'm mis-remembering, but I thought supercollider was included previously - wonder what changed
[16:07] <scott-work> that's a good idea holstein, along with a reason why the package is not included with links to email or whatnot
[16:07] <holstein> OH
[16:07] <holstein> even better
[16:07] <scott-work> ryanpg: according to ubuntu packages, it was in dapper only   http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=supercollider
[16:08] <ryanpg> yeah, just checking that now
[16:08] <ryanpg> wow, that was quite some time ago
[16:09] <scott-work> holstein: troy_s had also suggested also suggested a wiki page with the rationale for why apps are *included* in studio as well
[16:09] <scott-work> good example is network-admin vs network-manager
[16:09] <holstein> scott-work: thats the kind of thing i can help with right now
[16:09] <holstein> im working on my wiki-foo
[16:09] <holstein> akgraner is schooling me :)
[16:10] <scott-work> lol, i looked at the supercollider package in launchpad, last build was 234 weeks ago :)
[16:10] <scott-work> cool holstein 
[16:10] <ryanpg> apparently there's not much need for supercollider on ubuntu :)
[16:10] <scott-work> ryanpg: you might send an email to the owner of the ppa with supercollider about rebuilding it against the new jack
[16:11] <ryanpg> scott-work, good idea
[16:11] <scott-work> ryanpg: i found this one also, don't know if you are using it or another or even if this one has been rebuilt   https://launchpad.net/~supercollider/+archive/ppa
[16:11] <ryanpg> yes, that's the ppa I used - it has not been rebuilt
[16:11]  * holstein wonders if falktx has it
[16:12] <ryanpg> oh, I know Артём Попов :)
[16:12] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[16:12] <ryanpg> artfwo
[16:13] <holstein> nah
[16:13] <holstein> i dont see it in falks PPA
[16:15] <ryanpg> I think artfwo is the guy to go to for supercollider
[16:15] <holstein> cool
[16:16] <holstein> falktx is the kind of guy who would fix it to include it in KXstudio
[16:16] <holstein> and put it in that PPA
[16:16] <ryanpg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtemPopov
[16:16] <holstein> BB
[16:50] <ryanpg> ok, I contacted artfwo
[16:50] <ryanpg> his packages are being used by puredyne btw
[16:50] <holstein> AH
[16:50] <ryanpg> he has submitted supercollider to revo for ubuntu
[16:50] <scott-work> holstein: we haven't really had meeting in a while because not enough people were attending, and those that did attend often didn't work on what they said they would
[16:50] <holstein> ryanpg: thanks
[16:50] <ryanpg> there are problems with the way libraries are named - which is why supercollider is not inlcuded
[16:50] <ryanpg> holstein, welcome
[16:50] <holstein> scott-work: maybe we can talk about that too
[16:51] <ryanpg> I have a working PPA now with rebuilt supercollider
[16:51] <scott-work> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/supercollider
[16:51] <holstein> we've had the same thing going on with out LOCO
[16:51] <holstein> our LOCO*
[16:51] <ryanpg> also, he tells me that the new cmake build system should fix the issues with supercollider
[16:51] <holstein> we went to monthly meetings instead of bi-monthly
[16:51] <holstein> we'll see
[16:52] <ryanpg> ppa:artfwo/ppa btw
[16:52] <ryanpg> apparently artfwo was a big part of the "revolution" to jackd2
[16:53] <scott-work> is artfwo nedko  ?
[16:53] <scott-work> that's confusing
[16:53] <ryanpg> I don't think so
[16:53] <scott-work> i know someone named nedko who has worked on jack2, is he the same person as artfwo?
[16:53] <scott-work> lol you already answered my confusing question
[16:54] <ryanpg> https://launchpad.net/~artfwo I also know nedko - but yea different
[16:54] <scott-work> holstein: will you be around in an hour?  i'd like to talk some more but i really need to get some work done at work ;)
[16:54] <holstein> i should be
[16:55] <ryanpg> way OT - but what's the deal with all the .save files in /etc/apt/ in 10.10
[17:04] <ryanpg> bbl, restarting X
[18:04]  * abogani waves
[18:08] <holstein> abogani: :)
[18:09] <abogani> holstein, Hi Mike.
[18:13] <scott-work> hi abogani , are you doing okay today?
[18:14] <abogani> scott-work, Well thanks.
[18:14] <scott-work> JFo:  are we still planning on talking about kernels today?
[18:21] <jussi> scott-work: We dont normally recommend debian packages to users of ubuntu, as they can break stuff. Ive no idea how the one you mentioned is, but its bad practice in any case.
[18:22] <JFo> scott-work, sorry about that, was in a meeting
[18:22] <JFo> we can chat if you like :)
[18:22]  * holstein thought it was just mentioning where the work was happening on guitarix
[18:22] <scott-work> jussi: i shall refrain from doing that in the future then, thank you for making me aware of the potential problem :)
[18:23] <jussi> scott-work: no probs, always glad to help if I can. :)
[18:23] <scott-work> JFo: oh, no problem for me, i've been quite busy with the usual "monday morning" events even though it's tuesday :)
[18:24] <JFo> heh, same here
[18:24] <JFo> had 2 meetings that weren't on my calendar before that last one
[18:24] <JFo> ,-death by meeting
[18:24] <scott-work> JFo: did you want to discuss this with some of the other kernel members? 
[18:25] <scott-work> lol, yeah, i get the "we have a problem we need to solve right NOW" meetings as well :)
[18:25] <scott-work> argh, i had wanted to start working on team reports already for ubuntu studio and keep putting it off :P
[18:25] <JFo> scott-work, we can if you like, but I have been given some guidance on the subject of -rt, -preempt or -lowlatency kernels
[18:25] <scott-work> JFo: sweet :)
[18:26] <scott-work> i'm good just talking to you
[18:26] <JFo> want to talk here about it or in a private wondow?
[18:26] <JFo> window rather
[18:26] <scott-work> whichever you feel is appropriate :)
[18:28] <scott-work> holstein: would you like to continue some of our previous converstaion about meetings and wiki pages?
[18:28] <holstein> sure
[18:29] <scott-work> you were mentioning your loco meetings and i thought there might be a tangent you wanted to explore in relation to ubuntu studio :)
[18:30] <holstein> i just think it might be a good idea to log the progess
[18:30] <holstein> we've just been plugging through them
[18:30] <holstein> meetings
[18:30] <holstein> and it shows that something is going on
[18:30] <holstein> and folks do go and check the logs 
[18:31] <holstein> more than i though would at least
[18:31] <holstein> scott-work: maybe we could just schedule one?
[18:31] <holstein> a meeting
[18:31] <holstein> and i could get a little louder about it over in OSM's
[18:31] <holstein> get those ubuntu folk here maybe
[18:32] <holstein> scott-work: but i know your busy too
[18:33] <scott-work> holstein: oh, i could certainly make time for a meeting :)
[18:34] <holstein> what was the normal thing?
[18:34] <holstein> monthly?
[18:34] <holstein> then we could talk about wiki's and what not then
[18:34] <holstein> maybe establish a line of communication with myself and the list
[18:35] <holstein> and i can figure out where to put some of that information we talked about
[18:37] <scott-work> holstein: yes, it tended to be monthly as best as we could ;)
[18:44] <scott-work> holstein: the other thing we were discussing was the wiki pages, if you want to start a wiki page that'd be oustanding, i'll add what i can as well :)
[18:45] <holstein> scott-work: mabye i can just find one that already existing and update
[18:45] <holstein> or add to it
[18:46] <holstein> but, im totally on board for that
[21:24] <scott-work> it's kind of surprising that an email about gnome-network-admin being fixed didn't receive any replies :/
[21:25] <scott-work> i would have thought many people would be estatic about it
[21:28] <abogani> scott-work, I never received an reply on my emails about -rt in three years. So I suspect that this is the "normal" behavior. :-)
[23:37]  * persia doesn't know of any licensing issues with supercollider
[23:40] <persia> Ah: found it.  There used to be lots of issues (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454257 ), which I believe upstream has mostly fixed, but nobody has done the work to get it back in the repositories.
[23:40] <holstein> persia: good news