[07:03] <Blank__> :o an iphone user! shun!
[15:32] <ryanpg> hi all... can anyone explain to me (or point me to a url) what is going on with jackd in ubuntu 10.10?
[15:33] <ryanpg> attempting to install jackd2 results in many many apps being removed, conversely, certain apps seem to require jackd2
[15:45] <ryanpg> this is very frustrating, and I'm concerned with the release of 10.10 a month away
[15:45] <ryanpg> anyone?
[15:49] <holstein> ryanpg: hello
[15:49] <holstein> phone...
[15:49] <holstein> bbib
[15:49] <holstein> biab
[15:52] <ryanpg> thanks holstein
[15:52] <holstein> alright
[15:52] <ryanpg> holstein, I'm also in -devel :)
[15:52] <holstein> ryanpg: are you running 10.10 beta
[15:53] <ryanpg> holstein, yes
[15:53] <holstein> ryanpg: AH
[15:54] <holstein> i see you got ScottL talking to you over in -devel :)
[15:54] <ryanpg> yeah, should we continue in -devel ?
[15:54] <holstein> sure
[16:09] <holstein> ryanpg: the OSMP channel i was referring to is #opensourcemusicians
[16:10] <ryanpg> holstein, oh cool - never heard of that one
[18:27] <musotek> hi guys
[18:28] <holstein> musotek: hello
[18:28] <musotek> Cannot get my M-Audio Delta 66 to work properly on Lucid.
[18:28] <musotek> Any suggestions?
[18:28] <musotek> INFO:
[18:28] <musotek> ********************
[18:28] <musotek> :~$ lspci|grep audio
[18:28] <musotek> 00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
[18:28] <musotek> ********************
[18:28] <musotek> :~$ lsmod |grep snd
[18:28] <musotek> snd_ice1712            55129  0
[18:28] <musotek> snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx      2547  1 snd_ice1712
[18:28] <musotek> snd_ak4xxx_adda         7364  2 snd_ice1712,snd_ice17xx_ak4xxx
[18:28] <musotek> snd_cs8427              6522  1 snd_ice1712
[18:28] <musotek> snd_ac97_codec        100646  1 snd_ice1712
[18:28] <holstein> might want to use pastebin
[18:28] <musotek> snd_pcm_oss            35308  0
[18:28] <musotek> snd_mixer_oss          13746  1 snd_pcm_oss
[18:28] <holstein> or ubuntu paste
[18:28] <musotek> snd_pcm                70662  3 snd_ice1712,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[18:28] <musotek> snd_page_alloc          7076  1 snd_pcm
[18:28] <musotek> ac97_bus                1002  1 snd_ac97_codec
[18:28] <musotek> snd_i2c                 4398  2 snd_ice1712,snd_cs8427
[18:28] <musotek> snd_mpu401_uart         5617  1 snd_ice1712
[18:29] <musotek> snd_seq_dummy           1338  0
[18:29] <musotek> snd_seq_oss            26726  0
[18:29] <musotek> snd_seq_midi            4557  0
[18:29] <musotek> snd_rawmidi            19056  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
[18:29] <musotek> snd_seq_midi_event      6003  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
[18:29] <musotek> snd_seq                47263  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
[18:29] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:29] <musotek> snd_timer              19098  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
[18:29] <musotek> snd_seq_device          5700  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
[18:29] <musotek> snd                    54148  14 snd_ice1712,snd_ak4xxx_adda,snd_cs8427,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_i2c,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[18:29] <musotek> soundcore               6620  1 snd
[18:29] <musotek> ********************
[18:29] <musotek> :~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[18:29] <musotek> # autoloader aliases
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-1 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-1
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-2 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-2
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-3 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-3
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-4 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-4
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-5 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-5
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-6 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-6
[18:29] <holstein> flooding the channel like this usually makes people sad :/
[18:29] <musotek> install sound-slot-7 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-7
[18:29] <musotek> of course
[18:29] <musotek> thanks
[18:29] <holstein> musotek: i'll just be a few ticks :)
[18:30] <musotek> sorry about that
[18:30] <musotek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/489936/
[18:32] <holstein> musotek: no worries :)
[18:32] <musotek> :)
[18:32] <holstein> well we no that card works well
[18:32] <holstein> know*
[18:32] <holstein> at least that is what im told
[18:33] <musotek> that's what I heard too
[18:35] <holstein> musotek: you can paste this here
[18:35] <holstein> it wont be much
[18:35] <holstein> whats
[18:35] <holstein> the output of
[18:35] <holstein> uname -a
[18:35] <holstein> and
[18:36] <holstein> aplay -l
[18:36] <holstein> and
[18:36] <holstein> arecord -l
[18:36] <musotek> 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:36] <holstein> AH
[18:36] <musotek> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[18:37] <holstein> hmm
[18:37] <holstein> thats not good
[18:37] <musotek> arecord: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[18:37] <holstein> hmmm
[18:37] <musotek> nope
[18:37] <holstein> its a delta?
[18:37] <musotek> yeah
[18:37] <holstein> 6 6?
[18:37] <musotek> delta 66
[18:38] <ryanpg> hi all... back
[18:38] <musotek> hi
[18:38] <ryanpg> man, for the life of me... I can't get rid of xruns with my edirol usb ua-25
[18:38] <ryanpg> driving me nuts
[18:38] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice1712
[18:38] <holstein> looks like you might need to do some tweaking
[18:39] <ryanpg> do we still have to change the priority of the IRQ our audio interface is on?
[18:39] <holstein> i was thinking of the 1010lt
[18:39] <holstein> ryanpg: dont have to
[18:39] <holstein> you getting xruns?
[18:39] <ryanpg> oh man yeah
[18:39] <musotek> nice one .. I'll give that a read ... thanks
[18:39] <ryanpg> just sitting idle I get a burst of xruns every 20 seconds or so
[18:39] <holstein> musotek: theres probably something more relevant to ubuntu around somewhere
[18:39] <ryanpg> frames 64 periods 6
[18:39] <holstein> musotek: try #opensourcemusicians too :)
[18:40] <holstein> ryanpg: what kernel?
[18:40] <holstein> uname -a
[18:40] <ryanpg> Linux Ryan-Laptop 2.6.33-29-realtime #1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Aug 5 12:28:39 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:40] <holstein> hmmm
[18:40] <holstein> yeah, lets look at you IRQ's
[18:40] <ryanpg> holstein, honestly I've never gotten low latency with USB on linux
[18:41] <ryanpg> irq 18 is the usb bus I'm plugged into
[18:41] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[18:41] <ryanpg> nothing else on that irq
[18:41] <holstein> and paste that to..
[18:41] <ryanpg> 80 root     -90   0     0    0    0 S    4  0.0   0:42.83 irq/18-uhci_hcd
[18:41] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:41] <holstein> OH
[18:41] <holstein> ok
[18:41] <holstein> hmmm
[18:41] <ryanpg> yeah, PR is -90
[18:42] <ryanpg> jackd is also -90
[18:42] <holstein> ryanpg: let me think a minute
[18:42] <holstein> but run
[18:42] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[18:42] <holstein> and see if its the same
[18:42] <ryanpg> qjacktl is running now
[18:42] <ryanpg> but you mean run it as root?
[18:42] <holstein> yeah, sudo run it :)
[18:42] <musotek> holstein: thanks
[18:42] <holstein> musotek: let us know
[18:42] <holstein> i think thats do-able
[18:43] <musotek> ok
[18:43] <holstein> ryanpg: maybe just try turning it down even more
[18:43] <holstein> maybe 512 and 3
[18:43] <holstein> or 1024 and 3
[18:44] <ryanpg> oh man... I want to do live guitar effect processing
[18:44] <ryanpg> anything over 10ms is useless
[18:44] <holstein> ryanpg: that realtime checkbox is checked right?
[18:44] <ryanpg> sure is
[18:44] <holstein> in 'setup'
[18:44] <holstein> hmmm
[18:44] <holstein> if you set it up with the latency around 20ms or so
[18:44] <ryanpg> lol, just got another xrun
[18:44] <holstein> does it seem solid?
[18:45] <ryanpg> let's see
[18:45] <holstein> ryanpg: yeah, i dont think its permission
[18:45] <holstein> you can run it as normal user
[18:45] <ryanpg> k, bumped it up to about 20ms
[18:46] <holstein> that might just be all it can do
[18:46] <holstein> you might get better performance from your internal card
[18:46] <holstein> i hate to say
[18:46] <ryanpg> I hope not... others claim to get 4ms of latency from that
[18:46] <ryanpg> card
[18:46] <holstein> ryanpg: are you sure thats the IRQ ?
[18:46] <holstein> the right USB port?
[18:46] <ryanpg> absolutely
[18:47] <ryanpg> lsusb says bus 7
[18:47] <ryanpg> /proc/interrupts say 7 is irq 18
[18:47] <holstein> ryanpg: just for S&G
[18:47] <holstein> maybe try another port??
[18:47] <ryanpg> holstein, have tried every one on the laptops
[18:47] <holstein> seems like you got it set up well
[18:48] <ryanpg> yeah... uless I can set that irq to realtime
[18:48] <ryanpg> can't chrt do that?
[18:48]  * holstein is not sure
[18:48] <holstein> BUT
[18:48] <holstein> there was a guy in #opensourcemusicians talking about that
[18:48] <holstein> i think it was transmorgramofix
[18:48] <holstein> the #rakarrack guy
[19:09] <Adriannom> hi.  i have a laptop with ubuntu studio karmic.  since installing i've been unable to read usb drives unless i mount them manually.  i've had the same model laptop (hp 550) running hardy, karmic and lucid with no usb problems.  any ideas why i'm having this problem, or how i can start diagnosing?
[19:11] <holstein> hey Adriannom
[19:11] <Adriannom> hi :)
[19:11] <holstein> is this an ubuntustudio install?
[19:11] <holstein> or an upgrade?
[19:11] <Adriannom> install
[19:11] <holstein> and the others are standard installs?
[19:11] <holstein> ubuntu installs?
[19:12] <Adriannom> that's right
[19:12] <holstein> that might be a studio thing
[19:12] <holstein> im not sure
[19:12] <holstein> id have to go and check that out
[19:12] <holstein> and i dont have karmic studio installed
[19:12] <holstein> i would trouble shoot that just like an ubuntu issue though
[19:12] <holstein> i bet its a gconf setting
[19:13] <Adriannom> hm
[19:13] <holstein> or a package that needs to be installed
[19:13] <holstein> Adriannom: do CD's mount automaically?
[19:13] <Adriannom> yeah maybe overlooked package, but then more users would be having the same problem surely
[19:13] <Adriannom> i'll check
[19:13] <holstein> well
[19:13] <holstein> somethings are left out of studio
[19:14] <holstein> because of performance concerns
[19:14] <Adriannom> yeah, but everyone who uses audio uses usb drives, right? ;)
[19:14] <holstein> sure
[19:14] <holstein> you can mount them though
[19:14] <holstein> right?
[19:14] <Adriannom> yeah as root
[19:14] <holstein> OH
[19:14] <holstein> that might be a different thing altogether
[19:15]  * holstein missed the root user thing before
[19:15] <holstein> Adriannom: i have a great idea :)
[19:15] <holstein> why not upgrade that box to lucid
[19:15] <holstein> and then check it out after that
[19:15] <holstein> mabye that will fix it
[19:15] <Adriannom> cd isn't mounting automatically
[19:15] <holstein> then your on LTS :)
[19:16] <Adriannom> yeah ok
[19:16] <holstein> now i think its a user thing
[19:16]  * holstein did 2 studio install upgrades
[19:17] <holstein> and they went well
[19:17] <holstein> upgrades usually do pretty well these days
[19:17] <Adriannom> a user thing?  what do you think i've done?
[19:17] <holstein> well, you might not have done it
[19:17] <Adriannom> :P
[19:17] <holstein> but some permissions could be set wrong
[19:18] <holstein> might need to re-add yourself to a gourp
[19:18] <holstein> group*
[19:18] <holstein> maybe disk group
[19:18] <holstein> not sure though
[19:18] <holstein> i would google that before just adding it
[19:18] <Adriannom> ok i think upgrade first then
[19:18] <Adriannom> thanks :)
[19:18] <holstein> Adriannom: let me know
[19:18] <holstein> it could be as simple as
[19:18] <holstein> sudo adduser Adriannom disk
[19:19] <holstein> and that would do it
[19:19] <holstein> but i think upgrading is a good idea
[19:20] <Adriannom> heheh, i just pasted that in and it fixed it
[19:20] <Adriannom> i think i'm better off not upgrading since this is a production machine
[19:20] <Adriannom> any changes could be bad
[19:21] <Adriannom> using it to dj live ya see
[19:21] <Adriannom> but it's great that this is fixed, thanks a lot holstein :)
[19:22] <holstein> Adriannom: i hear you
[19:22] <holstein> 'if it aint broke' :)
[19:37] <ryanpg> holstein, now I'm getting xruns at 23.2 ms
[19:37] <ryanpg> :(
[19:37] <holstein> what did you change?
[19:37] <ryanpg> nothing, power went out - restarted and let jackd run
[19:38] <ryanpg> just got two xruns
[19:38] <holstein> i get an xrun every now and then
[19:38] <ryanpg> jackd -R -P89 -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p128 -n8
[19:38] <holstein> when i start a program
[19:38] <holstein> ryanpg: whats with -n8 ?
[19:38] <ryanpg> number of frames
[19:39] <holstein> yeah, why 8?
[19:39] <ryanpg> bumping up and up and up to find a stable number
[19:39] <holstein> try bumping the other one
[19:39] <holstein> leaving that one at -n2
[19:39] <holstein> or 3
[19:39] <ryanpg> jackd -R -P89 -dalsa -dhw:1 -r44100 -p512 -n2
[19:40] <holstein> ryanpg: whats that do?
[19:40] <holstein> ryanpg: i assume your in #jack ??
[19:40] <ryanpg> period = 512 frames (11.6 ms), buffer = 2 periods
[19:40] <ryanpg> running jackd from the command line
[19:40] <holstein> ryanpg: does that run stable?
[19:40] <ryanpg> so far
[19:41] <holstein> 11.6 is not bad
[19:41] <ryanpg> well.... 11.6 x 2
[19:41] <holstein> maybe you can get -p256 -n2
[19:41] <ryanpg> 11.6 ms latency for 512 frames, and two periods = 23.2 ms
[19:41] <ryanpg> maybe, I'll let this run a bit.... see if there's xruns
[19:42] <holstein> i think you can have too many periods
[19:42] <ryanpg> but 11.6 ms is really unacceptable for realtime signal processing
[19:42] <holstein> and make xruns
[19:42] <holstein> not sure though
[19:42] <ryanpg> well...
[19:42] <ryanpg> I'll go ahead and try
[19:42] <holstein> hell
[19:42] <holstein> try -p64 -n2
[19:43] <ryanpg> it usually takes around 20-30 seconds for the xruns to start
[19:43] <ryanpg> I'll give 64 2 a try
[19:47] <ryanpg> lol, xruns galore
[19:47] <ryanpg> but... I think I figured something out
[19:47] <ryanpg> it's either my graphics card or my wireless card that's interfering I think
[19:47] <ryanpg> because I get tons of xruns when starting a web browser
[19:48] <holstein> yeah
[19:48] <holstein> i get one when i start a browser usually
[19:48] <holstein> when i have it set at like 1.2ms
[20:23] <ryanpg> wow, well I don't need networking when I'm playing - so I'll just experiment with turning it off
[20:23] <ryanpg> holstein, thanks for your help!
[20:23] <holstein> ryanpg: anytime :)
[20:23] <holstein> let us know how it goes
[20:25] <ryanpg> will-do
[20:25] <ryanpg> later
[20:29] <prep> Holstein, breaker breaker one-nine
[21:46] <prep> How can I update to 10.10? Not showing in Update Manager.
[22:25] <prep> found it, later