[00:00] Riddell: check to see if your *.desktop files from kpk has some tag *-V2= [00:00] * ScottK has no lost+found in systemsettings on maverick. [00:00] * Riddell starts up a live CD VM to check [00:01] dantti: they don't [00:01] Riddell: I installed my maverick just today with the beta cd [00:01] Riddell: if any of them has that V2 thing there is the problem, is you kpk up2date? [00:03] Riddell: you need "X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2=system-administration" in /usr/share/kde4/services/settings-manage-software.desktop [00:03] Sput: is there a way to change kbd focus to panes other than the typing-in textbox? like so i can go to the channels list and arrow key through them or something? my touchpad keeps breaking [00:03] maco: 0.7 has keyboard navigation for channels using alt+arrow [00:03] hmm wrong desktop file, I think it was settings-add-rm.desktop [00:04] Sput: ok thank you :) if i have a separate pane with my PMs in it, is there a way i can get focus over to that? [00:05] maco: yes, with alt+left/right [00:05] i was trying ctrl+pgup and ctrl+pgdn and failing [00:05] fresh beta live CD http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kpackagekit-systemsettings.png [00:05] the active pane is marked with a dot [00:05] is buggy [00:05] Sput: thank you [00:05] there's still some bugs with the keynav, such as not always being one marked, I hope I'll get those fixed in time for the release [00:05] but basically the idea is to be able to navigate through all the chats using alt+arrow [00:06] (and then we have the quick access shortcuts alt+0-9 and ctrl+0-9 for your 10 favorite channels) [00:07] favourites? how do we mark these? [00:08] Riddell: funny, why does it work on some machines and others don't? apachelogger any ideas? [00:08] maco: marking with ctrl+number, jumping to it with alt+number [00:09] both are configurable via shortcut settings too [00:09] (in 0.7) [00:09] yeah i was just looking there [00:09] (earlier versions already have the shortcuts, but they're not editable there) [00:09] and i seem to have accidentally deleted this channel... [00:09] dantti: I have no /usr/share/kde4/services/settings-manage-software.desktop [00:10] Riddell: no, you don't you must have settings-add-rm , let me check [00:10] meta+a for active channel... whats meta? when i try to set connect-to-core with ubuntukey+g (for "go") it says Qt doesnt support the ubuntu/win/super key which i thought was also meta [00:10] maco: usually the windows key [00:10] it's the windows key for me [00:10] hmm that just types the letter a for me [00:10] dantti: yes I have settings-add-and-remove-software.desktop and it has X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2=system-administration [00:10] o.O [00:10] no idea if ubuntu does something weird there :) [00:10] yofel: i mean if i hit win+a i just get a [00:10] Riddell: yup, settings-add-and-remove-settings.desktop [00:11] Riddell: try kbuildsycoca4 [00:11] odd [00:12] dantti: kbuildsycoca4 -noincremental doesn't help [00:14] Riddell: try removing the non V2 line, and removing the -V2 line to see if it works [00:15] I think you will need to run kbuildsycoca4 again [00:16] dantti: if I remove X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=computer-administration it shows Software Management as a top level item in system settings with the 3 kpk modules in it individually [00:18] ehehe kde power manager is weird [00:18] dantti: ooh, my systemsettings package wasn't up to date [00:18] updating that fixed it [00:18] it doesnt recognise that im plugged in, so as its charging and getting *up* to "warning level" it's warning me that ive reached it [00:18] Riddell: :P [00:18] how curious [00:19] the fix was on 4.5.1 iirc [00:19] *sigh* - any way to make powerdevil NOT set hdd power management values? [00:19] guess so [00:21] dantti: sorry for the hassle then :) [00:21] Riddell: np :P [00:27] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq/+bug/602141 what next [00:27] Launchpad bug 602141 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "rekonq crashet on ubuntuforums" [Undecided,In progress] [00:27] Riddell: anything else to do? [00:34] sudo kate opens kate with gtk+ style, but kdesudo kate opens kate with oxygen style, strange [00:34] sudo doesnt set environment right for graphical apps [00:35] [muon] jmthomas * 1172726 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadWidget.cpp Sane default column sizing for all! [00:37] apparle: we should fix qtwebkit instead of rekonq [00:38] debfx: that's I think already done upstream. [00:38] debfx: that fix is only for lucid [00:38] apparle: yes, we should fix qtwebkit in lucid [00:39] apparle: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/qt4-x11.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a35ead46af248ecb37573dcec90e8ea87dde80e [00:39] debfx: IMHO qtwebkit 2.0 should be brought in for lucid :) [00:40] debfx: still I'll try compiling that fix into the existing qtwebkit. Maybe in a day or two [00:59] debfx: hey [01:00] debfx: I just checked it is more or less the same code that rekonq has just received === EagleScreen_ is now known as EagleScreen [02:26] putting a partition tool in Kubuntu Live CD would be useful [02:27] EagleScreen: yes, if there is enough room on the cd [02:27] yes [02:27] * claydoh wonders how big partitionmanager id [02:28] I'd be about half a megabyte on the CD [02:28] *It'd [02:28] Something to consider for natty [02:29] half a meg is still pretty big, though :( [02:30] Not huge, but before we shipped something like that by default, it'd have to be pretty heavily tested. [02:30] I see, the CD it already very full [02:30] we could do for office suites what we did for kde4 and just go with koffice [02:31] * claydoh runs and ducks from the trhown objects [02:33] claydoh: No. [02:34] ScottK: I know, I was just kidding, koffice is nice but not a replacement [02:34] And I use it oftem myself [02:36] hmm, where'd smarter get off to? [02:37] seems that the progress bars in the new download view only update when a new item is added or paint() is called via mouse hover or somesuch... [02:37] http://imgur.com/7eKcI (for reference) [03:13] [muon] jmthomas * 1172773 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/DownloadModel.cpp Fix the per-package progress bars from not being updated except when explicitly done so by paint() [03:37] ok, not having a transparent terminal/yakuake is starting to annoy me. i need my compositing with intel damnit! :p [03:42] nixternal: heh [03:42] it is ugly [03:43] nixternal: you just lost composting, I can't even boot into lucid [03:43] right about now i wouldn't mind not being able to boot into this ugliness [03:43] lol [03:43] I'm on Debian, so its /even/ more ugly [03:59] * claydoh has no compositing on his old laptop but it still looks good :) [04:00] eew except for terminalm tho [04:00] ati has issues as well I guess [04:01] exactly, the terminal is my biggest grief to be honest. i am used to using a transparent terminal so i can see stuff under it when writing [04:52] when I enable Desktop Effects in maverick, the Desktop become crazzy [04:52] intel graphics [04:53] EagleScreen_: yeah its broken. scottk's been saying so for 2 days [04:53] nixternal: Try the newer mesa in the sarvatt/mesa ppa with this http://sarvatt.com/downloads/drirc.txt as ~/.drirc [04:54] EagleScreen_: ^^^ you too. [04:54] he has a new version of kdebase-workspace in his ppa that seems to work for me [04:54] ohai ScottK [04:54] maco: Try the sarvatt/mesa ppa mesa with the ~/.drirc, but without my kdebase-workspace. [04:54] If that more generally fixes it, I think it's better. [04:55] oh boo. have to downgrade and ... hrmph... thursday [04:55] maco: Use ppa-purge [04:55] but its working for now! [04:55] and i cant download anything til thursday [04:55] Oh. [04:55] (that's when i'll be at school again and therefore have bandwidth) [04:55] Ah. [04:55] OK. Try it then. [04:56] right now i have bandnarrow ;) [04:56] Sure. [04:56] ppa:sarvatt/mesa ? [04:56] EagleScreen_: Yes. [04:56] With the ~/.drirc. [04:56] You may have to remove your kwinrc too. [04:57] WIth that combination I got working effects (including blur) on my i945gme netbook. [04:58] * ScottK heads off to bed again. [05:10] now Desktop Effects seems to work well [07:08] Hrm, on lucid, I have the backports and the beta PPA's enabled, and I have 222 blocked updates. some one know whats up? [07:08] steveire: ping [09:01] did I mention that the monochrome icons in ubiquity look all sorts of odd and do not fit in with oxygen artwork terribly well? [09:43] shadeslayer: is there a chance to have a more recent kdepim than beta1? I bet there has been quite some improvements [09:45] Mamarok: that is beta3 [09:46] well, I still have beta1 here [09:46] then you should upgrade [09:47] I would love to, but from where? [09:47] * Mamarok checks if she has the right PPA [09:47] aha [09:47] Mamarok: actually you should have beta2 [09:47] * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer [09:47] shadeslayer: there is no beta3 for lucid but a FTBFSing one [09:48] I didn't disable the PPA, but nothing comes in, still says beta1 [09:48] it would be good not to stop work in the middle of something [09:48] yeah [09:55] ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot32.png [09:59] * apachelogger ponders writing a model [10:10] yeah, QSFPModel is cool for that kind of stuff [10:28] Sput: well, I doubt one has enough entries in the hosts file to need that ;) [10:29] that's what one always thinks [10:29] and then later you regret not having it done right from the start [10:29] subclassing QSFPModel isn't that much work :) [10:35] Sput: abstractitemmodel then sfp :P [10:36] I'm not a masochist, kthxbai [10:36] pff [10:36] (and yes, I've reimplemented more abstractitemmodels than is good for my health) [10:36] clearly you are not [10:36] ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot33.png [10:36] Quassel has mutated into a bunch of layered models over time [10:37] that said, since I've upgraded my Qt to 4.7 quassel hasn't crashed once for me, looks like it really was bugs in Qt 4.6 that made it so crashy in the last cycle [10:38] once you have a model the app will naturally mutate into a model beast [10:38] that is why I only ponder making one in case someone wants to use it for a later project [10:44] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot34.png [10:44] there we go now [10:53] apachelogger: wow, you use QtCreator in French? [10:53] bravo :) [10:53] the whole system :P [10:53] It is not like I write french comments tough :P [10:54] c'est du joli :) [11:09] dantti: bug 633008 [11:09] Launchpad bug 633008 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] kpackagekit won't honor apt proxy setings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633008 [11:12] * apachelogger wonders whether a tree-like representation would be better for the hosts [11:13] after all n names to 1 ip addresss seems like something treeish to me [11:13] only one level of depth but still [11:16] hm [11:17] OTOH it can be n to n by means of having a name listed for individual addresses [11:17] like by default the hostname would be associated with 127.0.0.1 and an address that NM obtained via dhcp [11:34] blurg, quassel doesn't pick up the KDE locale setting [11:37] Sput: ^^ [11:38] hm, we should pick up whatever Qt picks up [11:38] I think [11:38] please check if you have "system default" selected as your language [11:38] apachelogger: Nice. [11:40] JontheEchidna: in libdebconf-kde.po „Debconf on %1”, what does %1 mean? [11:52] Sput: yes it's set to "system default" which is C [11:52] and if I set $LANG correctly it picks that up [11:53] but KDE doesn't have a way to set $LANG [11:53] hmm... so that's an issue in QLocale then, I guess [11:53] I mean I could add something for KDE if I figure out how [11:53] but it's something that probably should be fixed in Qt as well [11:53] no it's an issue in KDE, it has no way to set $LANG [11:53] (via the platform integration stuff) [11:53] ... or that. [11:54] wouldn't be hard, just needs the Locale kcm to put an export into ~/.kde/env [12:00] true, and thus make it work with all properly coded apps [12:00] ulysses: best ask dantti [12:01] dantti: what does „%1” mean in libdebconf-kde.po, in string „Debconf on %1”? [12:01] JontheEchidna: thanls [12:03] Riddell: I am removig the KDE config list [12:03] apachelogger: what's that? [12:03] Riddell: the non-qt-langauge-selector way of selecting a language [12:03] which is limited to klocale [12:03] err [12:04] pourquoi? [12:04] what needs doing is actuall move the whole locale KCM to the year 2010 and make it export appropriate lang vars [12:04] Riddell: because it is broken [12:04] it only manipulates kdeglobals' language setting [12:04] which is only used by KLocale [12:05] if it ensure that appropriate enviornment variables are exported also Qt apps, openoffice etc. get a chance to use the right locale [12:06] apachelogger: sounds good but you're not doing this for maverick right? [12:06] Riddell: for maverick we should just remove it and limit to language-selector settings [12:06] that requires a user to be root [12:06] and stops anyone changing it per user [12:06] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot28.png [12:07] Riddell: it does not change per user [12:07] it changes per user for KDE apps [12:07] which is pretty much worthless [12:07] nobody has complained so far (which astonishes me but there we go) [12:08] Riddell: because they do consider the whole locale kcm broken [12:08] like yesterday .. which btw turned out to be a problem partially a KDE problem [12:09] -problem ^^ [12:09] which of yesterday's problems was a KDE problem? [12:09] the en_GB one? [12:09] xyes [12:09] -x [12:09] does non-KDE translations do any different? [12:09] Riddell: turns out klocale was messing up the order [12:11] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot27.png that is what I would like to have in maverick (well, + country selector) [12:11] for 11.04 we need a user experience bump for the whole locale configuration business [12:12] I'm all for fixing kcm locale but I'm hesitant to do it in Kubuntu first, and not a week before final freeze [12:12] that solution does stop any hope of per-user settings and it's not usual for one user on a machine to use a different language from the system language [12:12] I wouldn't want albert and pino to start moaning about how Kubuntu has broken locales again (even though it's a KDE problem) [12:13] that part of the KCM is broken IMO [12:16] sure but it's not a new problem, it's always been like that in KDE [12:16] fixing it this close to final freeze is asking for problems [12:17] especially a half hearted fix like that [12:17] it should be fixed upstream [12:18] of course it should be fixed upstream, but right now we are the ones deploying that brokenness to users [12:18] do you know why KDE doesn't just use $LANG and $LANGUAGE? is it just historical? [12:20] I have no idea [12:20] well, I mean, they do... [12:20] what I think is the problem is that no one bothered to implement the LANG LANGUAGE foo in connection with the KCM [12:20] KLocale does use $LANG and $LANGUAGE but can be overridden by kdeglobals and $KDE_LANG? [12:21] Riddell: yep [12:23] well it certainly needs fixed but as a problem which isn't new I'm really hesitant to make half-hearted changes at this stage in the cycle, and anything involving locale needs to be run by chussilove and albert else they'll eat us for dinner [12:25] you should also be able to set session language in KDM, that's another long standing issue [12:26] that said [12:26] Riddell: can we get autologin by default? [12:27] apachelogger: the GTK installer frontend just switched back to not autologin by default yesterday [12:27] Riddell: how so? [12:27] ev looked at the design spec he'd been given and realised it didn't specify autologin selected by default [12:27] well [12:28] Riddell: IMHO it makes first use experience a whole lot better [12:29] it also removes a layer of security [12:29] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/07/%23ubuntu-installer.html see 10:53 [12:32] hm [12:32] and 12:05 [12:34] I do not see how autologin discourages creation of accounts ... that is largely based on the assumption that a user knows how to create an account and why they want to do it ... [12:34] related to that I think autologin should be turned off if the user adds another account anyway [12:35] uh. wow. the .drirc stuff (plus indirect rendering) have made desktop effects on my intel box actually usable [12:37] Riddell: also about security ... autologin being only of importance when you have physical access to the machine, if you have physical access you can easily go to recovery mode and not only have access to user data but all data [12:39] so, if login security is a concern with physical access to the device I think we should start with questioning how recovery works right now [12:39] apachelogger: There's a difference between being able to sit down at a machine and casually access data and being able to reboot to the maintenance console and have time to really take it apart. [12:39] apachelogger: autologin to a locked screen is an option that might be nice. [12:40] ScottK: assuming the machine is turned off... by the time you have the desktop started I'd have downloaded a keylogger and placed it in init.d [12:41] and even if it were not ... say kdm is up ... I hit the reste button or invoke a shutdown via power button and up we go again [12:41] ScottK: seems you guys are on the right track with debugging intel issues. just adding the .drirc and the ALWAYS_INDIRECT (or whatever it was) env var made desktop effects actually workign on my GM45, including blur [12:41] didn't apply any patches to kwin or mesa [12:42] Sput: The .drirc was enough for me with a recent mesa git snapshot, but it was i945. [12:43] Sput: Perhaps you could file a bug with the mesa folks. [12:43] I think I'd rather leave that for mgraesslin :) [12:43] I don't understand all the issues [12:44] I think I'll also try and finetune things over time, right now I just copied what was posted here and it worked [12:44] ... kwin still crashing on changing effects though, obviously [12:46] Crashing is progress from freezing I think. [12:59] * Riddell nudges dpm towards accepting the bluedevil templates https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/bluedevil/+imports [13:03] [muon] gmartres * 1173007 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/ (DownloadModel.cpp DownloadModel.h) DownloadModel: replace the QHash with a PackageDetails private class since we don't need to add new properties at runtime [13:04] [muon] gmartres * 1173008 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/DownloadModel.cpp PackageDetails: initialize the "status" member variable in the constructor [13:07] apachelogger: kde bug 82009 [13:07] KDE bug 82009 in kcm_language "$LANG is not set by the KDE locate settings" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82009 [13:07] ulysses: Debconf on %1 means Debconf on -hostname- [13:08] comment #9 may be the significant one [13:08] dantti: thanks [13:08] ulysses: np [13:08] apachelogger: I do use kpk with proxy here and it works fine [13:08] Riddell: hard != impossible ;) [13:09] although I don't think that should be a problem, we're using gettext values now, no reason why they should be any different [13:09] apachelogger: well actually I never tested setting it in /etc/apt.conf, since most users set their proxies on kde config module [13:09] kde bug 88934 may be related to that [13:09] Riddell: well, fr_FR internally gets used as fr, so one would have to expand to fr_FR.utf8 for LANG I think [13:09] KDE bug 88934 in kcm_language "extended options for locale settings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88934 [13:10] dantti: oh, dont get me started on proxy settings [13:10] that is an even worse mess than locale [13:12] apachelogger: k, I'm going to work now, I'll test those files there.. [13:12] Riddell: bug 88934 is coming from system locale being C I suppose [13:12] Launchpad bug 88934 in k3b (Ubuntu) "k3b Crashes on "Extract and Encode Audio Tracks"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88934 [13:12] dantti: okidoki === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [13:15] apachelogger: I don't actually understand what his problem is in kde bug 88934 [13:15] KDE bug 88934 in kcm_language "extended options for locale settings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88934 [13:16] oh [13:17] reading it a second time I see other failure ^^ [13:17] Riddell: that might actually be a duplicate [13:17] or maybe not [13:17] * apachelogger gives up understanding and continues implementing a hostsmodel [13:21] dpm: is there anyone to take care of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/ubuntu/maverick/language-support-fonts-zh-hans/fix-625163/+merge/33977 ? [13:22] hmm [13:23] IIRC kdepim beta 3 built fine for lucid [13:23] Mamarok: apachelogger ^ [13:24] im having a looksie [13:24] not in experimental it didnt [13:24] :O [13:24] oic [13:24] see.. i was trying to copy packages into experimental and it kept timing out [13:25] thats why its FTBFS [13:25] shadeslayer: I am waiting for updates since you set up that PPA with beta1 [13:25] Mamarok: yes, beta 2 was ftbfs for no reason since the maverick ones built fine [13:25] i am extremely sorry [13:26] Mamarok: you have kde 4.5.1 right? [13:26] well, since you started to provide packages for Lucid, could you pleas continue to? Leaving people with beta1 is a nogo [13:26] yep [13:26] ok ill copy the packages might take some time depending on lunchpad [13:29] [muon] gmartres * 1173020 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (4 files in 3 dirs) Use size() instead of count() with QList since the later is intended to be used when counting the occurence of a specific value [13:33] agateau_: does the gnome indicator applet eat ksystrayicons? [13:34] apachelogger: what do you mean with "eat"? [13:34] oh [13:34] agateau_: nvm [13:34] ok :) [13:34] or actually === agateau_ is now known as agateau [13:35] agateau_: if a KSNI is passive will it still show up in their applet? [13:35] apachelogger: no it won't iirc [13:35] apparently akonaditray does not show up in gnome, despite it being a KSNI [13:35] apachelogger: and there is no way to show it :/ [13:35] once I remove the indicator and add the notification applet it works [13:35] agateau: very flexible thing [13:36] notification applet == old-fashioned x-embed systray [13:36] they truely follow the gnome mantra of not having features :P [13:36] apachelogger: indeed [13:36] apachelogger: flexibility is gnome nickname :) [13:36] ^^ [13:36] * apachelogger moves bug around [13:36] ... [13:38] apachelogger: kate says it wont maitain ABI for 3rd party plugins [13:39] or more like kwrite-devel says that [13:39] cool [13:40] shadeslayer: then tell them that we will not distribute their crap and that shall please stop installing headers for ABI and API changing crap that no one should be using anyway :P [13:40] im forwarding you a copy [13:44] hm [13:45] shadeslayer: ask him to add a remark for packagers to not package the headers if he does not want to support 3rd party plugins [13:46] or [13:46] actually [13:46] shadeslayer: if he really gets everything in one git repo he should please stop installing the header alltogether but use it only internally [13:47] there is an interest conflict otherwise IMHO [13:48] Riddell: We manufactured nice Kubuntu buttons yesterday.. I think I have to take a picture one of the days and post it on my blog :) === James147 is now known as James147_ === James147_ is now known as James147__ === James147__ is now known as James147 [13:52] apachelogger: ahahahahaha.... akonaditray icon is eaten up by a gnome :P [13:52] in maverick, with Desktop Effects enabled, X crash when I apply a KDE color scheme [13:53] txwikinger: buttons? what sort of buttons? [13:53] to pin on your clothes or whereever you like [13:53] EagleScreen_: Try disabling effects, apply the scheme, and reenable. [13:54] txwikinger: badges is probably the word, got a picture? [13:54] oh you said, you have to take a picture [13:54] ScottK: ofcourse it works well without effects [13:54] Riddell: well.. here in Canada we call them buttons :D [13:55] * apachelogger giggles [13:55] candaians [13:55] * apachelogger giggles a bit more :P [13:55] EagleScreen_: OK. There's already a bug in b.k.o about changing effects settings with effects enabled causing the screen to freeze. I'd go ahead and file another bug there. [13:55] I haven't taken a picture yet... but I should [13:56] okay [13:56] Riddell: Maria said everything is cool with the CDs.. and we got a confereence pack too [13:56] So we should be set for Software Freedom Day and for the Southern Ontario Hackerspace Conference [13:57] That's what the buttons (UK English badges) are for :D [13:58] cool [13:59] what do you think about change the KDE login splash by this? http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=123353 it matches the plymouth splash [14:00] so it seems that there is oly one splash [14:00] * txwikinger wonders if he should show Kubuntu Maverick on those occasions [14:01] txwikinger: only if desktop effects are working I'd say [14:01] the same splash for boot and for Desktop loading? [14:01] txwikinger: especially blur [14:01] apachelogger: Are they working? [14:01] txwikinger: blur is a killer [14:01] txwikinger: depends on your graphics chip mostly [14:01] s/chip/driver [14:01] hmm.. atom N280 [14:01] intel [14:01] not working === rgreening_ is now known as ghost [14:02] txwikinger: better show lucid with KDE 4.5 [14:02] there it should be working even ^^ === ghost is now known as rgreening [14:02] my laptop has an intel 89.. something [14:02] hey, leave the splash screen as is :) [14:02] or I could use an old MacBook [14:02] hey all [14:02] yo rgreening [14:02] heya fellow Canadian [14:02] wazzup apachelogger [14:02] hey txwikinger [14:03] How was Earl? [14:03] lol [14:03] breezy [14:03] :) [14:03] rgreening: did you also make buttons/badges? [14:03] buttons? [14:04] rgreening: yeah, txwikinger manufactured kubuntu buttons [14:04] kool [14:04] *nod* [14:04] apachelogger: rgreening is several thousand km away from here [14:04] Ive been a bit out of touch... work has been awful [14:04] txwikinger: so? :P [14:05] Im also on an island.. not easy to get to me [14:05] :P [14:05] apachelogger: Canada is a little larger than Europe :p [14:05] there is helicopters and teleporters [14:05] apachelogger: Dog sleds. [14:05] .me wonders why the power light on his netbook flashes [14:05] lol [14:05] ScottK: No enough snow yet [14:05] hm [14:06] rgreening: Being an island won't help you when the ice comes. [14:06] txwikinger: Wait a week. [14:06]