[00:28] <kklimonda> does ~ubuntu-dev grant an indirect membersip to ~ubuntu-bugcontrol?
[00:30] <yofel> kklimonda: according to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev yes
[00:31] <micahg> kklimonda: yeah, that's why I didn't need my membership renewed
[00:31] <kklimonda> yofel: ah, thanks - I was trying to find it in my page but it still says that I'm a direct member of bugcontrol.
[00:31] <kklimonda> micahg: that's exactly the reason I've asked about it - my expiration should be around the corner but I couldn't find an exact date anywhere.
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[01:05] <hggdh> kklimonda: if you had a -control membership *before* you were a -dev, then yes, you will be shown both. Eventually your direct membership will expire
[01:05] <hggdh> kklimonda: but you will still be a member via -dev
[01:07] <hggdh> kklimonda:  and, for you expiration date... it will expire on Oct 10th
[01:09] <kklimonda> hggdh: will I get an email? And if so should I just ignore it? I think I can remember Brian saying that he prefers people with indirect membership not to apply for renewal.
[01:09] <kklimonda> hggdh: and thanks for checking the exact date :)
[01:10] <hggdh> kklimonda: yes, you should get an email at about 1 week from expiry. You can just disregard it (again, -dev membership trumps a direct membership)
[01:10] <hggdh> we all prefer indirect membership, less work for us ;-)
[01:11] <kklimonda> makes sense :)
[01:15] <nigelb> hggdh: heh, lazy ;)
[01:16] <kklimonda> hggdh: why are you hggdh2 on LP?
[01:16] <hggdh> cheers nigelb
[01:16] <kklimonda> (I just had to ask this one ;) )
[01:16]  * nigelb hugs hggdh :)
[01:16] <hggdh> kklimonda: because when I registered, I wanted to make my life simpler, and used the same id as my email. This, in retrospect, was not very smart...
[01:17] <hggdh> and my email was set to 'hggdh2' because dumb GMail did not accept ids less than 6 chars in length
[01:18] <hggdh> (as far as I know, there is no other hggdh*)
[01:18]  * hggdh hugs nigelb back
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[01:18] <kklimonda> hggdh: that's why the 2 in your username got me wondering :)
[01:19] <hggdh> aye. I also wonder about it nowadays, but I do not know of a way to change it without a major hassle. Never did really look into it, either
[01:21] <nigelb> !away | rackIT_AFK
[01:21] <nigelb> right, what timing!
[01:21] <micahg> nigelb: ha
[01:21] <nigelb> micahg: I think I killed the bot :p
[01:21] <hggdh> !away
[01:21]  * nigelb goes to resucitate
[01:22] <micahg> nigelb: the bot thought you told it to go away :)
[01:22] <nigelb> lol
[01:22] <hggdh> which id is our bot currently?
[01:23] <nigelb> ubot2
[01:24] <nigelb> I've pinged jpds :)
[01:24] <micahg> nigelb: and so you have again :)
[01:24] <nigelb> oh, gah! I went looking for him elsewhere, should have pinged him here
[01:24]  * hggdh goes for the kill
[01:24] <hggdh> nigelb: who did you ping?
[01:24] <nigelb> hggdh: jp ds
[01:24] <hggdh> darn!
[01:25] <hggdh> foiled :-(
[01:25] <nigelb> what? why?
[01:25] <micahg> heh
[01:25] <nigelb> haha
[01:26] <nigelb> hggdh: I'm not /that/ bad even though its quite early ;)
[01:26] <hggdh> I know... but one can always try...
[01:27] <nigelb> haha
[01:31] <nigelb> gah, I keep closing my terminal window
[01:31] <nigelb> at this rate, I'm going to type git commit onto irc
[01:32] <kklimonda> nigelb: better git then your password :)
[01:32] <nigelb> I rarely have to type password, irssi running on a server
[03:48] <hggdh> !away
[03:48] <hggdh> humph. Still off, it seems
[04:32] <nigelb> hggdh: heh
[07:32] <nigelb> !test
[07:33] <micahg> nigelb: there's no bot in the channel
[07:33] <nigelb> micahg: jussi wanted me to make sure :/
[07:51] <kklimonda> where did it go? :/
[08:02] <somethinginteres> hi all, how do I report a wishlist bug re: the new maverick sound menu?
[08:03] <micahg> somethinginteres: ubuntu-bug indicator-sound
[08:04] <somethinginteres> micahg: thanks
[08:18] <persia> Anyone have a karmic install with GL acceleration available?  I believe bug #405202 is fixed in lucid and maverick, but would need someone to confirm that it's reproducible in karmic, and the same environment is fixed in a newer release.
[08:18] <persia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-bsu/+bug/405202
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[11:26] <vish> bilalakhtar: whats with the odd nick changes ;)
[11:26] <vish> ?
[11:26] <bilalakhtar> vish: a joke
[11:26] <vish> ;)
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[13:45] <mkarnicki> Hi all! :) I wanted to learn more about bug triage / fixging, so I headed to wiki/Bugs and read some. I ended up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Examples hoping that I would see some good examples of how bugs have been fixed (2-3 examples would be great). Instead, I found two 'bugs' descriptions, which turned out not to be bugs but support request/features, ending with -> Rejected or -> Invalid
[13:45] <mkarnicki> It would be nice if the BugSquad (or any other proper) would add a few examples to help noobs like me to start
[13:46] <mkarnicki> the fun with bugs
[13:46] <mkarnicki> Naturally, I could go to launchpad and search for 'Fixed' bugs, but not every bug-triage-noob may know that. Also, it would be hard for me to find 'good bug examples', as I came here to learn about them :)
[13:47] <mkarnicki> I hope my suggestion will meet action, and I hope to learn much, maybe take part in tomorrows Ubuntu Bug Day somehow? :)
[14:00] <thekorn> mkarnicki: hey, welcome to bugtriaging in the ubuntu world ;)
[14:00] <thekorn> first of all, I agree with you Bugs/Examples seems a bit sparse
[14:01] <mkarnicki> hi thekorn :) thanks for the welcome! :)
[14:01] <mkarnicki> I'm reading other wiki pages currently under wiki/Bugs
[14:01] <mkarnicki> to know as much as I should to get started :)
[14:02] <thekorn> mkarnicki: great, feel free to aks questions here
[14:02] <mkarnicki> thekorn: thanks! :)
[14:04] <thekorn> mkarnicki: I would also liketo point you to our mentorship program at
[14:04] <thekorn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[14:04] <mkarnicki> oh! awesome, thanks thekorn. I read it soon =)
[14:04] <thekorn> but I'm sure you will find out about it while reading the wiki docs ;)
[14:05] <mkarnicki> sure :)
[14:05] <mkarnicki> thanks for the link anyway!
[14:08] <rsajdok> I think this bug should to have status 'opinion' Am I right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/380912
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 380912 in apt (Ubuntu) "Apt shows incorrect suggestion to fix unavailability of public key of a given repository (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New]
[14:10] <thekorn> rsajdok: why do you think it's opinion and not wishlist?
[14:12] <rsajdok> thekorn: Yes, it maybe to be 'wishlist' but i do not know how to set 'wishlist'
[14:14] <yofel> note that 'opinion' counts as closing the bug, while that's a vaild bug IMHO
[14:14] <thekorn> note to self, 'opinion' is not an importance, it's a status
[14:15] <yofel> ^^
[14:16] <rsajdok> I can not change importance to 'wishlist'
[14:16] <thekorn> rsajdok: back to you ;) wishlist sounds reasonable, and as status I suggest triaged, as it is totally obvious what the bug is about, what do you think?
[14:16] <thekorn> rsajdok: ask us in this channel, we can do it for you
[14:18] <yofel> what's upstream for apt actually? we?
[14:19] <jpds> yofel: I think the Debian guys would freak out if they heard you say that.
[14:19] <yofel> probably ^^
[14:20] <thekorn> hehe
[14:21] <rsajdok> thekorn: Therefore can I change status to 'triage' ?
[14:26] <yofel> mvo_: what are the triaging guidelines for apt anyways? forward bugs to DBTS?
[14:26] <yofel> *anyway
[14:28] <yofel> debian bug 397702
[14:28] <ubot2> Debian bug 397702 in apt "Shouldn't suggest running 'apt-get update' to fix NO_PUBKEY" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/397702
[14:30] <yofel> and debian bug 389646
[14:30] <ubot2> Debian bug 389646 in apt "apt should try to import a key if a package was signed by a unknown key" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/389646
[14:30] <yofel> 389646 is tagged as wontfix though
[14:31] <yofel> rsajdok: can you link the the ubuntu bug with debians 397702 on LP? after that the bug can be set to triaged
[14:35] <thekorn> argh, sorry guys got disconnected, fortunatly yofel did exactly what I wanted to do, search for a bug in debian :)
[14:42] <yofel> rsajdok: ping?
[14:42] <rsajdok> yofel: "LP" means "launchpad" ?
[14:43] <yofel> yes
[14:45] <yofel> rsajdok: click on 'also affect distribution' select debian and put the debian bug url into the field
[14:47] <rsajdok> yofel:  yes, I did it
[14:48] <rsajdok> yofel: thanks you for patience
[14:49] <yofel> rsajdok: np, wishlisted
[14:49] <mvo_> yofel: sure, I can add a link, what was the ubuntu bugnumber again?
[14:50] <yofel> mvo_: not a specific one, as this one is already reported, but in general - should all bugs be upstreamed to debian or do you guys look at LP too?
[14:57] <mvo_> yofel: we do look at LP, but debian gets more attention
[15:24] <somethinginteres> is anyone else on maverick seeing skype having the generic icon vs the normal skype icon as in Lucid? Is that bug?
[15:54] <devildante> pedro_, thanks for adding the ReportingBugsAlternate discussion to the meeting :)
[15:56] <pedro_> devildante, you're welcome, such of great page needs some more audience ;-)
[15:56] <pedro_> devildante, thanks for the work there
[15:56] <devildante> pedro_: np :)
[15:56] <pedro_> in a bug report "This is 10.05"
[15:57] <pedro_> i don't remember that release ;-)
[15:59] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: please use the needs-reassignment tag when moving apport bug reports away from a package like firefox
[15:59] <devildante> pedro_: what bug number? I want to laugh :p
[16:01] <devildante> pedro_: btw, what's your opinion about the ReportingBugsAlternate page? Any issues you noticed?
[16:02] <pedro_> devildante, bug 632113
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632113 in evince (Ubuntu) "PDF illegible (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632113
[16:02] <pedro_> devildante, not besides the ones that hggdh already pointed
[16:03] <devildante> thanks for feedback :)
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray, yeah, no problem
[16:09] <hggdh> well, sent an email to ubuntu-users-owner... let's see if it helps
[16:27] <njin> pedro_: around?
[16:37] <pedro_> njin, hello
[16:41] <njin> hello _pedro
[16:41] <njin> ;9
[17:01] <cjae> kubuntu 10.04 backport repo for kde 4.5 distorts kdm upon logout
[17:01] <cjae> might be ati prop driver
[17:01] <cjae> with standard theme
[17:02] <cjae> upon gui logout
[17:02] <cjae> *        sorry about enter punctuation, just woke up | -)
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[17:19] <cjae> also kmix crashes sound on adobe flash videos quite often
[17:56] <ara> QA meeting in 4 minutes at #ubuntu-quality
[18:22] <cjae> also the quick assess button on my panel when clicked shows the listing for ~/ there is a move through directory long vertical arrow that goes fuzzy when the mouse is moved over it
[18:43] <mkarnicki> documentation bug under Bugs/HowToTriage -- just before 'Bug types section', the link 'Untraged bugs' is broken, instead of #untriaged should be #Untriaged%20bugs (however -- I had that problem before on my project wiki -- I don't know how to put that space there to make it work)
[18:43] <mkarnicki> thekorn: ↑
[18:43] <mkarnicki> link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[18:43] <mkarnicki> section to which 'Untriaged bugs' link should point to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Untriaged%20bugs
[19:03] <kklimonda> mkarnicki: thanks, I'll take a look
[19:03] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: oh, you're here too ^ ^ no problem.
[19:04] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: I would fix it myself, but I know theres a problem with "wiki.ubuntu.com/foo/bar#with space" links
[19:04] <mkarnicki> at least I had similar problem and wasn't able to fix it (so I used a URL shortener to workaround that :D hahah)
[19:05] <kklimonda> hmm, as walys stuff just seems to work for me.
[19:05] <kklimonda> always*
[19:07] <mkarnicki> hah! how's that possible :D I'll have to try that out on my wiki, thanks for fixing that kklimonda :)
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[21:14] <dyfet> I believe bug #628535 can be triaged, it is a myspell question clearly.
[21:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628535 in myspell (Ubuntu) "Missing words in English dictionary (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628535
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Not all the words are valid words.
[21:25] <dyfet> Well, thats true also :).  I just made sure the right person was attached for the ones that are.
[21:25] <rsajdok> Is there wiki page how to send wishlist to debian?
[21:25] <rsajdok> Bug like this:
[21:25] <rsajdok> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/606126
[21:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606126 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-cache search should show version (affects: 1) (heat: 74)" [Wishlist,New]
[21:27] <vish> rsajdok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[21:27] <devildante> rsajdok: use reportbug
[21:28]  * vish tickles devildante 
[21:28] <devildante> ouch!
[21:28] <vish> devildante: pff!.. dint clean sweep the bugs alreaady ;p
[21:28] <charlie-tca> dyfet: if not all the words are valid, perhaps a better response then triaged would be to use the "Add" button in the spellcheckers to add them to a personal dictionary?
[21:29] <devildante> vish, oh noes :p
[21:29] <charlie-tca> BugDay tomorrow! apt needs a lot of help
[21:29] <vish> TODAY!
[21:29] <vish> atleast for me ;p
[21:30] <dyfet> lol, true :)
[21:30] <vish> [01:59] here
[21:30] <charlie-tca> yay
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I would like to see this one turn all green! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100909
[21:30] <devildante> Vos désirs sont des ordres!
[21:31] <vish> devildante: you heard the man!
[21:31] <vish> go! ;)
[21:31] <devildante> okay okay :p
[21:31]  * charlie-tca dreams big
[21:32] <devildante> bug day golden rule 1: always begin with the oldest bugs :p
[21:32] <devildante> this way, we can put them as Incomplete without thinking a lot :p
[21:33] <micahg> devildante: hopefully there are steps to reproduce :)
[21:33] <charlie-tca> and you told everybody now?
[21:33] <charlie-tca> I always started at the bottom and went up.
[21:33] <devildante> charlie-tca: not like it's original :p
[21:33] <devildante> micahg, dang :p
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[21:35] <charlie-tca> !away > easter_egg|off
[21:35] <ubot2> easter_egg|off, please see my private message
[21:35] <devildante> !away
[21:36] <ubot2> You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines»
[21:36] <micahg> !msgthebot > devildante
[21:36] <ubot2> devildante, please see my private message
[21:36] <devildante> oh okay, so it was that :p
[21:36] <charlie-tca> my week to play the mean guy
[21:36] <devildante> sorry, micahg :p
[21:37] <micahg> devildante: you have another 135 people to apologize to :)
[21:37]  * micahg is kidding
[21:37] <devildante> you better be kidding :p
[21:41] <hggdh> well, at least we have th bot back
[21:41] <charlie-tca> :-)
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[22:33] <trinikrono> vish ping
[22:33] <trinikrono> hey everyone
[22:37] <vish> tremolux: wassup?
[22:37] <vish> err!
[22:37] <vish> trinikrono: ^
[22:37] <yofel> muahahah
[22:37] <yofel> hey trinikrono
[22:37] <trinikrono> hey me again
[22:37] <trinikrono> yofel: heyo
[22:37] <vish> no! not you again!
[22:38] <vish> ;p
[22:38] <trinikrono> i was wondering about the mentorship thing lol vish
[22:38] <trinikrono> it sent me a email saying to get in contact with one of you
[22:38] <vish> rights..
[22:38] <vish> arggh! i better sleep! :(
[22:39] <vish> trinikrono: i'll extend the membership :)
[22:39] <trinikrono> funny question though
[22:39] <trinikrono> do i have a mentor :D
[22:39] <trinikrono> you know i ask alot of questions
[22:39] <vish> ;)
[23:05] <rsajdok> Is this bug incomplete?
[23:05] <rsajdok> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/600758
[23:06] <rsajdok> Am I right?
[23:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600758 in apt (Ubuntu) "Updates failing (affects: 1) (heat: 55)" [Undecided,New]
[23:07] <trinikrono> ask them to try a different mirror then say incomplete rsajdok
[23:07] <trinikrono> also mirror issues should be reported in launchpad
[23:08] <trinikrono> *should not
[23:08] <rsajdok> trinikrono: ok
[23:09] <hallyn> I'm looking at bug 633568, and wondering how i cango about marking it as affecting network-manager
[23:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633568 in dhcp3 (Ubuntu) "dhclient3 not recognize -4 option sent by network manager (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633568
[23:10] <hallyn> hiting 'also affects project' seems to insist that i must first create an upstream bug
[23:10] <trinikrono> hallyn: noO!
[23:10] <trinikrono> lol
[23:10] <trinikrono> just go on amm
[23:11] <trinikrono> hallyn: it has dhcp2 slected already
[23:11] <trinikrono> normally just click on the yellow line with the down arrow
[23:11] <trinikrono> and put network-manager
[23:12] <trinikrono> when you clicked on also affects bug
[23:12] <trinikrono> on the top say choose another project
[23:12] <trinikrono> and put network-manager
[23:13] <trinikrono> or just do it from the yellow line hallyn
[23:15] <hallyn> trinikrono: sorry, looking for yellow line
[23:15] <trinikrono> at the top of the screen under the title
[23:15] <charlie-tca> hallyn: instead of clicking "Also affects project", click "also affects dsitribution" and put in network-manager
[23:15] <trinikrono> it is very yellow hallyn
[23:16] <hallyn> oops
[23:16] <hallyn> charlie-tca: oh, maybe that would have done it, but the arrow worked
[23:16] <charlie-tca> That will create a second Affects in "ubuntu"
[23:16] <hallyn> however, i apparently replaced it rather than adding it :)
[23:16] <hallyn> but, actually i think tha'ts appropriate
[23:16] <hggdh> trinikrono: just in case, please keep in mind that some people may be colour-blind
[23:16] <hallyn> thanks trinikrono and charlie-tca !
[23:17] <hggdh> trinikrono: I am not colour-blind myself, just colour-confused
[23:17] <charlie-tca> Great!
[23:17] <trinikrono> hggdh: well how do you think i can describe it?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> click the arrow under Affects
[23:17] <trinikrono> maybe we can give it a groovy name like action box
[23:18] <hggdh> trinikrono: I do not know, I am just pointing out that this may be a problem
[23:18] <hallyn> hggdh: trinikrono: actually my problem wasn't the color but 'line'.  i was confused and was looking for an actual line :)
[23:18] <trinikrono> :D
[23:18] <hggdh> hallyn: heh
[23:19] <trinikrono> hggdh: will you be my mentor ?
[23:19] <hggdh> trinikrono: for me yellow is no problem. I know yellow from miles away. But I *do* have a problem with blue/green
[23:19] <hggdh> trinikrono: wereń t you assigned one?
[23:20] <trinikrono> ddecator was mine
[23:20] <hggdh> oh, MIA
[23:20] <trinikrono> and he is not so active anymore
[23:20] <hggdh> hum
[23:20] <trinikrono> but vish extended me on the mentorship programme today
[23:20] <hggdh> anyone heard of kangarooo lately?
[23:20] <hggdh> trinikrono: I can, yes
[23:21] <hggdh> holstein: sir, you are also MIA
[23:21] <holstein> hggdh: nope
[23:21] <holstein> just slackin ;)
[23:21] <hggdh> heh
[23:21] <holstein> not slackin in general too much
[23:21] <trinikrono> hggdh: nice so i am adopted
[23:21] <holstein> just not really making the time for bugs
[23:22] <trinikrono> hggdh: what kind of bugs do you work on?
[23:22] <hggdh> trinikrono: I am a generalist, lately mostly overseeing
[23:23] <hggdh> I did Evolution for quite some time, but I am without time for it nowadays
[23:23] <hggdh> but coreutils, for example is fair game
[23:23] <trinikrono> so you deal with x stuff
[23:23] <hggdh> holstein: yes, I know. Does it make sense to keep being mentored?
[23:23] <trinikrono> i am finding alot these days
[23:24] <holstein> hggdh: maybe i should come back to it when i have more time to give :/
[23:24] <hggdh> trinikrono: I stay as far as possible from X, generally. I am from the time you only had the console
[23:24] <hggdh> holstein: I think so, yes. You can always ask here when you have a doubt
[23:25] <holstein> cool
[23:25] <trinikrono> hggdh: hey i started with a vic20 so you cant be that old :D
[23:25] <hggdh> trinikrono: when I started the micro-computer of the daty was the 4004
[23:26] <trinikrono> wow you have beat there, i dont even know what that is
[23:30] <hggdh> trinikrono: first there was the 4004, then the 8008, then the 8080, then the 8088/8086, then the rest
[23:31] <trinikrono> hggdh: that was the 70's then :D
[23:31] <hggdh> they were CPUs from Intel. 4004 had a 4-bit CPU, 8008 an 8-bit, etc, etc
[23:31] <hggdh> yes indeed
[23:32] <trinikrono> so if i wanted to have a few xorg bugs as my bug control, would you be okay with that hggdh ?
[23:33] <hggdh> trinikrono: yes, I would. I will not be able to direct you through the intrincacies of X, but I can at least verify the work
[23:38] <hggdh> jcastro: on the daily builds... does coreutils count? I build it as soon as there are updates from upstream (note I build upstream version, no Ubuntu/Debian patches)
[23:38] <hggdh> same for weechat
[23:42] <trinikrono> wow if a operator mouse stops working on playing music  and some keyboard keys what do you guys think would cause that?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> maxed out the cpu?
[23:55] <trinikrono> no idea told the person to try a usb mouse
[23:56] <charlie-tca> Seen a few with 5+ utube videos running, my system is freezing...