[03:09] <nigelb> RAOF: got a min?
[03:09] <RAOF> nigelb: Yeah; shoot.
[03:10] <nigelb> RAOF: When the lucid live cd doesn't work at all thanks to intel 855, is there any possible way to install lucid and beyond?
[03:10] <RAOF> The tricks linked to from the release notes should get you a working livecd.
[03:11] <nigelb> tried and failed :(
[03:11] <RAOF> Failing everything else, I think the “xforcevesa” option should get vesa loading.
[03:11] <nigelb> aha, that should be tried
[03:12] <RAOF> If you've tried i915.modeset=1 *and* forcing vesa doesn't work, then… complain bitterly about your hardware sucking.
[03:12] <nigelb> haha
[03:12] <nigelb> I did try the modeset, no go.
[03:12] <nigelb> trying vesa in 5 mins.  restarting
[03:24] <micahg> RAOF: I got 127 apport_gpu_intel crashes today on resume from suspend and LP is having trouble letting me submit it, does this sound like something that'll be helpful?
[03:24]  * micahg was only going to submit 1
[03:24] <RAOF> micahg: One (the first, preferably) is enough.
[03:24] <micahg> RAOF: k, but do you think it'll help with something?  there were a few similar ones showing up as possible duplicates
[03:25] <RAOF> micahg: It's hard to tell without the dump, basically.
[03:25] <micahg> RAOF: k, I'll try to file later
[03:25] <RAOF> micahg: Our ability to automatically determine duplicates of GPU dumps is poor.
[03:26] <micahg> right, I just want to make sure I'm not adding to an endless pit of bugs that no one wants
[03:41] <nigelb> OK, so I'll just complain bitterly about my hardware sucking :/
[03:47] <RAOF> nigelb: vesa doesn't work for you either?
[03:48] <RAOF> nigelb: Does kms bring up the splash-screen before X starts?  If so, you could install from the alternate CD, add an xorg.conf specifying the “fbdev” driver, and set i915.modeset=1
[04:28] <RAOF> I'm looking forward to “kill it with fire” at XDS :)
[04:32] <nigelb> RAOF: Adding vesa didn't help.  I did get the splash screen, but some error shows up glibc error
[04:33] <RAOF> That glibc error is benign, and unrelated.
[04:33] <nigelb> ok, then it just gets stuck there, doesn't move on
[04:33] <nigelb> I shall try with alternate CD tonight.
[06:40] <tjaalton> ccheney: ping? seems gvfs-fuse with OO.o is busted in lucid, it can't open any files behind sftp mounts
[06:42] <tjaalton> could be bug 433944
[08:06] <didrocks> good morning
[08:13] <RAOF> Good morning.
[08:25] <ara> morning didrocks, afternoon RAOF
[08:25] <didrocks> hey ara, RAOF
[08:25] <RAOF> Good $TIME_OF_DAY ara ;)
[08:25] <ara> :)
[08:29] <dpm> hey didrocks, morning. We've got already quite a few translations of the ubuntu one e-mail. Do you think we could put them in the package already? I still think we should wait until the deadline on NonLanguagePackDeadline, but I think it would be good to make another upload before that, so they can be tested.
[08:29] <dpm> They are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail
[08:29] <didrocks> hey dpm, sure, I can try to get a free slot today for testing that
[08:30] <didrocks> hum, the email is signed and such, so it can take time…
[08:30] <didrocks> I have to check how it is
[08:31] <dpm> didrocks, cool, thanks. Let me know if I can get them in a format that's easier for you to fetch them. They are all in the subpages there, and I asked translators to enclose them in {{{}}}, so it might be easier to collect them per script and ignore all the rest of text in the wiki pages
[08:32] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, I think I'll use a script :)
[08:32] <didrocks> so {{{ and }}}
[08:33] <didrocks> argh, can't get https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail/fr?action=raw from wget
[08:34] <dpm> oh, does it need authentication?
[08:37] <dpm> didrocks, you can get the html page though: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail/fr, and all translations should start with 'From:' and end with 'http://one.ubuntu.com', although I'm not sure this applies to those with RTL languages such Hebrew :(
[08:37] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, can do that, or rely on html tags
[08:38]  * didrocks can let rodrigo_ doing that too :)
[08:39] <dpm> hahaha
[08:41] <didrocks> well, u1 people commited to doing that patch :)
[08:41] <didrocks> as evo doesn't have i18n support for that
[09:32] <huats> morning
[09:34] <didrocks> salut huats
[09:35] <huats> hello didrocks
[09:39] <seb128> hello
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:41] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[09:41] <seb128> I'm fine, a bit angry at xorg though
[09:41] <seb128> or whatever decided to stop turning on my screen when my laptop is docked with lid close
[09:42] <seb128> very confusing, I tried to figure for a while what's going on
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> that's not good :/
[09:42] <seb128> it seems it decides to turn on the laptop screen which is lid closed and turn off the external monitor on the dock station
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> oh, so they're not even both switched off?
[09:42] <seb128> I can hit enter and type my password though
[09:43] <seb128> then the screen comes back with the session
[09:43] <bilalakhtar> seb128: I fixed the enter crashes GDM bug
[09:43] <seb128> well the display capplet thinks both are activated in mirror mode
[09:43] <seb128> bilalakhtar, oh? great, what was it?
[09:43] <bilalakhtar> seb128: see my comment  on bug #626723
[09:44] <bilalakhtar> Its wierd, but it works like magic!
[09:44] <seb128> no bot today?
[09:45] <bilalakhtar> hey! ubot2 where are you?
[09:45] <bilalakhtar> on vacation, I suppose
[09:46] <bilalakhtar> seb128: Its a regression of a bug that matches the day when we began to face this issue
[09:46] <bilalakhtar>   * debian/apache2.2-common.apache2.init: Add stty sane so that users will get a
[09:46] <bilalakhtar>     password prompt when using apache-ssl. (LP: #582963)
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i don't have apache, and i still get the issue
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> and my issue is clearly because X starts on top of getty
[09:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think you have a different bug then others
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, possibly
[09:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the few duplicates I marked last week had xorg on the right vt
[09:48] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: YEs your bug is different
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> hmmm :/
[09:48] <seb128> cf comment #9
[09:49] <bilalakhtar> chrisccoulson: Yours starts on tty2 and is #625239
[09:51] <bilalakhtar> have to go now
[10:55] <didrocks> seb128: do you know if there will be a new rhythmbox release before maverick? or should I backport the fix http://git.gnome.org/browse/rhythmbox/commit/?id=d7c99f82fad19078a0da1d882bde35445ca1a58f ?
[10:56] <seb128> didrocks, backport, we got a release this week I doubt we will get any other
[10:56] <didrocks> seb128: ok, doing it, thanks!
[10:56] <seb128> thank you
[10:57] <seb128> did you confirm the fix works for you?
[11:02] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: hmm.. is there some serious memory leak in current firefox from maverick?
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, not that i'm aware of
[11:03] <kklimonda> hmm.. mine is using over a GB right now :/
[11:03] <kklimonda> and I have restarted it recently
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> that's not good. does it do that without any extensions installed?
[11:06] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: good idea, I've restarted it with add-ons disabled and will report later :)
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[11:14] <rodrigo_> Laney, around?
[11:15] <Laney> rodrigo_: yep, hi
[11:16] <rodrigo_> Laney, 2 things, I've just released libu1 with your dllmap fix, and I'm trying to do the same for tomboy -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/fix-dllmap
[11:16] <Laney> ah, excellent!
[11:16] <rodrigo_> Laney, but I still don't get libsyncdaemon-1.0 as dependencies for the .deb file, so what is missing?
[11:16] <Laney> what does dh_clideps tell you when you build?
[11:16] <rodrigo_> hmm, let me find it
[11:17] <rodrigo_> oh -> dh_clideps: Warning: Could not resolve moduleref: syncdaemon-1.0 for: WebSyncServiceAddin.dll!
[11:17] <rodrigo_> hmm
[11:17] <Laney> that's what you have to make go away
[11:17] <rodrigo_> oh, the DllImport is syncdaemon-1.0 and the dllmap is libsyncdaemon-1.0
[11:17] <Laney> :)
[11:17] <rodrigo_> so, I need to use the same name, right?
[11:17] <Laney> seems that is a common problem
[11:17] <Laney> yes
[11:17] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:18] <rodrigo_> there are other warnings btw
[11:18]  * rodrigo_ pastebins
[11:18] <Laney> they arent always a problem
[11:18] <Laney> look at the ones which were present in the last upload I did
[11:18] <Laney> any new ones are bad
[11:19] <rodrigo_> right, it complains about libtomboy
[11:19] <rodrigo_> which is the source, so I guess it's no problem
[11:28] <rodrigo_> Laney, ah, the .dll.config file needs to be installed with the .dll for dh_clideps to find it, right?
[11:28] <Laney> right, it needs to be alongside it
[11:28] <Laney> and with the same name + ".config"
[11:28] <rodrigo_> ok, that's what's missing
[11:43] <rodrigo_> Laney, still getting -> dh_clideps: Warning: Missing shlibs entry: libsyncdaemon-1.0.so or syncdaemon-1.0 for: WebSyncServiceAddin.dll!
[11:43] <rodrigo_> but I have:
[11:43] <rodrigo_> +  <dllmap dll="gobject-2.0" target="libgobject-2.0.so"/>
[11:43] <rodrigo_> +  <dllmap dll="syncdaemon-1.0" target="libsyncdaemon-1.0.so"/>
[11:43] <rodrigo_> +  <dllmap dll="proxy" target="libproxy.so"/>
[11:44] <rodrigo_> it gets ok gobject-2.0 and proxy, why not syncdaemon-1.0?
[11:45] <Laney> can you show me a build log?
[11:46] <rodrigo_> Laney, yes, sure
[11:46] <Laney> preferably in a chroot
[11:50] <rodrigo_> Laney, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/490289/
[11:50] <rodrigo_> no chroot sorry, just building with bzr bd
[11:51] <ajmitch> I believe you can get that to run pbuilder
[11:53] <ajmitch> you're not using a custom build of ubuntuone-client & libsyncdaemon on the system?
[11:54] <Laney> rodrigo_: try libsyncdaemon-1.0.so.1
[11:54] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:56] <rodrigo_> yay
[11:57] <rodrigo_> Laney, ok, pushed to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/fix-dllmap <- if you like it, I'll dput the package and propose the branch for merging
[11:58] <Laney> rodrigo_: build it in a chroot, check for errors, check the dependencies
[11:59] <Laney> run the package
[11:59] <Laney> if it all works then upload
[11:59] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:07] <Laney> rodrigo_: you should probably add the appropriate version to the other libs in that dllmap
[12:07] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:49] <nessita> good morning everyone!
[12:53] <didrocks> hey nessita
[12:53] <nessita> hey didrocks, how are you?
[12:53] <didrocks> nessita: I'm fine, thanks! you?
[12:54] <nessita> pretty good, thanks for asking :-)
[13:41] <nessita> packaging question: I need to remove a few conffiles in the new version of a package, and I've applied what http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling describes. The files are smoothly removed but the directories that used to hold the conffiles are not. Shall I remove those explicitly?
[13:52] <didrocks> nessita: yeah, you should, you can test if the directory is empty or try a rmdir <…> || true in the postinst
[13:52] <didrocks> or preinst
[13:53] <didrocks> depending on your upgrade case :)
[13:53] <nessita> didrocks: right... so if I'm removing no-longer-needed conffiles I should remove the directories on postint, right?
[13:54] <didrocks> nessita: right
[13:54] <nessita> and in postrm as well, I think?
[13:54] <didrocks> nessita: depends, is it in upgrade? where do you remove your conffiles?
[13:55] <nessita> didrocks: this is an upgrade, and I'm removing on preinst, postint, and postrm as per dpkg-maintscript-helper instructions
[13:55] <nessita> didrocks: seems like on preinst the conffiles are automaticlaly just moved
[13:56] <didrocks> nessita: just put the rmdir /etc/<…> || true in the same place your remove conffiles
[13:56] <nessita> didrocks: perfect, thanks
[13:57] <didrocks> you're welcome
[13:57] <kiwinote> mvo: hi
[13:58] <kiwinote> mvo: the number calculation in the show/hide stuff that just got merged into trunk is a bit odd. It gives show 32000 items and hide 1638 items for provided by ubuntu in installed software
[14:01] <Keybuk> scott     9904 91.6 10.2 390056 209252 ?       SLl  13:59   1:41 evolution
[14:01] <Keybuk> le sigh
[14:02] <Keybuk> scott     9904 92.4 14.3 475296 294240 ?       SLl  13:59   2:16 evolution
[14:02] <Keybuk> it's sitting there churning CPU and going OM NOM NOM MOAR MEMORY MOAR!
[14:10] <mvo_> kiwinote: hi! thanks, I have a  look (or make gary having a look ;)
[14:10] <mvo_> kiwinote: thanks for your fix btw
[14:10] <mvo_> devildante: I'm merging your removal branch currently \o/
[14:11] <kiwinote> mvo_: thanks, I'll ping tremolux once he's around
[14:11] <mvo_> thanks kiwinote!
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:41] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:41] <seb128> kenvandine, how are you?
[14:41] <kenvandine> good
[14:42] <kenvandine> and you?
[14:42] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[14:42] <seb128> kenvandine, I've assigned bug #628967 to you
[14:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628967 in vino (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "vino crashes on desktop sharing with Empathy (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628967
[14:42] <kenvandine> ok
[14:42] <seb128> it's due to the indicator change
[14:43] <kenvandine> i'll try to get to both that and the empathy notification bug today
[14:46] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[14:47] <kenvandine> np
[14:52] <devildante> mvo_, thanks :)
[14:52] <devildante> mvo_, and sorry for the late reply :p
[14:53] <vish> seb128: hi, is the plan for the keyboard indicator to have an icon next to it?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/631384/+attachment/1549115/+files/indicator_color.png
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631384 in hundredpapercuts "Keyboard Layout Indicator Style (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:54] <vish> or is icon meant to be removed.. with the layout alone
[14:57] <mvo_> devildante: no worries :)
[14:57] <devildante> ;)
[15:00] <mpt> vish, unfortunately it needs a generic icon for Maverick (unless klattimer has done some amazing last-minute stuff). The problem in that bug seems to be that it's not using the panel-style icon that it was using in 10.04.
[15:01] <seb128> rodrigo_, hi
[15:01] <vish> mpt: there already was a generic icon, but this seems to be using the non panel icon.
[15:01] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[15:01] <mpt> exactly
[15:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you have a GNOME 2.32 g-c-c build locally?
[15:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, jhbuild or similar?
[15:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, jhbuild
[15:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, could you check if gnome-display-properties crashes on apply as well?
[15:02] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, checking
[15:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, it does in the maverick build
[15:02] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[15:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/631217
[15:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631217 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Can't save dual monitor configuration (affects: 21) (dups: 4) (heat: 101)" [Low,Triaged]
[15:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, comment #11
[15:03] <vish> mpt: hmm , so i guess there already a bug for that.. me goes hunting.. ;)
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> oh, i was going to try and debug that issue when i get some spare time later
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> seeing as i don't do much GNOME work these days ;)
[15:04] <rodrigo_> seb128, compiling to make sure I've got the latest
[15:05]  * vish  just noticed , we have a new menu item "Monitors" which does not use Humanity icon.. o.0
[15:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we are not running you of issues or hacking need if you want to do some
[15:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, no crash
[15:05] <rodrigo_> seb128, only 1 monitor though
[15:05] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok thanks
[15:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, and the ubuntu version? you are on maverick?
[15:06] <rodrigo_> yes, maverick
[15:06] <rodrigo_> although I run it with jhbuild run, so it gets the jhbuild libs
[15:06] <rodrigo_> do you want me to run on its own?
[15:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, just check if the maverick version crashes for you
[15:06] <seb128> if you can
[15:06] <seb128> thanks
[15:07] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:09] <rodrigo_> seb128, no crash, but it offers me to run the nvidia tool instead, and then fails to save, with the same warnings as in #11:
[15:09] <rodrigo_> (gnome-display-properties:10113): Gtk-WARNING **: Ignoring the separator setting
[15:09] <rodrigo_> (gnome-display-properties:10113): Gtk-WARNING **: No object called:
[15:09] <rodrigo_> ** (gnome-display-properties:10113): CRITICAL **: gnome_rr_config_save_to_file: assertion `error == NULL || *error == NULL' failed
[15:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok thanks, seems a bug in our distro changes
[15:09] <kenvandine> seb128, if a user service (dbus activated) needs to be restarted on upgrade
[15:09] <kenvandine> is it safe to put a killall for it in a preinst?
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i suppose it depends on hwo the user service handles the signal
[15:10] <kenvandine> the service won't work for any logged in user unless it restarts
[15:10] <kenvandine> nessita, ^^
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> will it cause data loss for example?
[15:10] <kenvandine> doubt it... nessita, can you confirm?
[15:10] <chrisccoulson> if the service has a proper signal handler and exits cleanly, then maybe it might be ok
[15:11] <kenvandine> i don't think it actually holds onto any data
[15:11] <kenvandine> but then again i don't understand why it keeps running :)
[15:11] <seb128> kenvandine, usually we teach those service to reload on sighup
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, this is U1?
[15:11] <seb128> then send a sighup from the posinst
[15:11] <seb128> the postinst
[15:11] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, yes
[15:11] <kenvandine> sso client
[15:11] <seb128> it's cleaner
[15:12] <kenvandine> ok
[15:12] <kenvandine> nessita, ^^
[15:12] <kenvandine> nessita, would that work?
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine - it  keeps running because nautilus keeps activating it
[15:12] <seb128> that's what gconf, gvfs etc do
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> (unless that wasn't what you were asking)
[15:12] <seb128> there is a bug about that
[15:12] <seb128> they should fix it for maverick
[15:12] <nessita> kenvandine: yes, it doesn't hold yo any data
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'd like to be able to stop it when i need to work :)
[15:13] <kenvandine> nessita, so maybe fix that bug instead of making it restart :)
[15:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so do you want to help on some desktop bugs?
[15:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, will you have time for those or maybe time?
[15:13] <nessita> kenvandine: which bug? I think u1-client and sso is being confused
[15:13] <nessita> kenvandine: have a bug report?
[15:14] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[15:14] <seb128> about what?
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i should have some time. other than localization issues in firefox, it's looking pretty good
[15:14] <seb128> the nautilus thing?
[15:14] <kenvandine> nautilus keeping sso-login running
[15:14] <seb128> I'm not sure the one I read was about sso
[15:14] <seb128> or rather the sync service
[15:14] <seb128> let me check
[15:15] <kenvandine> seb128, the problem we hit was nessita's latest version of sso-client is without killing the service it looks like it works but it doesn't
[15:15] <seb128> do you have time to do the sighup thing?
[15:15] <nessita> kenvandine: the bug is about nautilus starting u1 syncdamoen, not soo
[15:15] <seb128> nessita, hey
[15:15] <nessita> seb128: hello!
[15:15] <nessita> seb128: not sure what the sighup thing is :-)
[15:15] <seb128> nessita, so ideally for sso you would reload on sighup
[15:15] <seb128> nessita, it's an unix signal
[15:16] <nessita> seb128: right, but the "thing" would be ading a handler?
[15:16] <nessita> adding*
[15:16] <kenvandine> seb128, but... if we fix the long running problem... we don't need to
[15:16] <seb128> nessita, yes, to add an handler in sso reloading the service of whatever you need to do after an upgrade to get it to work
[15:16] <seb128> nessita, then the package update would send a sighup to sso after the update
[15:17] <nessita> seb128: I understand
[15:17] <nessita> kenvandine: even if the service doesn't run for long, shouldn't we restart it the same?
[15:21] <kenvandine> nessita, shouldn't hurt
[15:22] <nessita> kenvandine: I'll do both
[15:22] <kenvandine> cool
[15:22] <kenvandine> nessita, let me know when it is ready for review again :)
[15:23] <kenvandine> nessita, besides those 2 problems, it looks good :)
[15:23] <nessita> kenvandine: awesome, thanks!
[15:24] <kenvandine> nessita, anytime
[15:24]  * bcurtiswx realized today was deadline day for sponsorship requests to UDS D:
[15:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you want to take over bug #631217?
[15:27] <ubot2> seb128: Bug 631217 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/631217 is private
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, sure. i can take that one
[15:28] <seb128> bug #631217
[15:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631217 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Can't save dual monitor configuration (affects: 21) (dups: 4) (heat: 101)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631217
[15:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the bug is in 109_screen_resolution_extra.patch it seems
[15:28] <seb128> without it there is no crash
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thank *you* ;-)
[15:33] <kiwinote> hey tremolux
[15:33] <tremolux> hi kiwinote!
[15:33] <kiwinote> tremolux: your hide/show stuff got merged into trunk today
[15:34] <thekorn> mvo_: hi, I just figured software-center has a plugin system, is it documented somewhere?
[15:34] <kiwinote> tremolux: I like that it's all in one place now, but there are a few little regressions
[15:34] <thekorn> mvo: some background, I'm giving a session at the ubuntu app devel week, and I'm looking for a default ubuntu application written in python with a simple plugin system,
[15:34] <thekorn> to show people how easy it is to implement zeitgeist in existing apps.
[15:34] <tremolux> kiwinote: yep, I know about two I think
[15:35] <kiwinote> tremolux: in the installed pane the show numbers are too large, ie show 32k apps against hide 1600 apps
[15:35] <tremolux> kiwinote: yep, that's the big one
[15:35] <tremolux> kiwinote: what else?
[15:35] <tremolux> kiwinote: I need to turn it on for the Installed View also
[15:35] <kiwinote> tremolux: also we used to show all the installed apps in the smaller channel panes, now we have show/hide for a total of three items
[15:39] <tremolux> kiwinote: yeah, I could turn it off for small lists, but now that's we've introduced show/hide for installed items, we maybe ought to stay consistent there
[15:40] <kiwinote> tremolux: true, that consistency is a good thing
[15:41] <tremolux> kiwinote: same situation for partner repository in the availablepane for instance
[15:42] <kiwinote> tremolux: yep, not sure quite how easy it is to know whether we'll have a short/long list, but if it's possible to not use show/hide in short lists, then that'd be sweet ;)
[15:44] <tremolux> kiwinote: well, it's not just a performance tweak to show/hide, its other purpose is to actually be useful by hiding stuff that many people wouldn't want to see
[15:45] <kiwinote> tremolux: yeah, although if we have one app and two pkgs, then I think we can show them all by default
[15:45] <kiwinote> tremolux: but that may be an mpt question
[15:46] <didrocks> thekorn: there is an example plugin in software-center source
[15:47] <tremolux> kiwinote: regarding the "nnn technical items" numbers, we actually almost never get that perfectly right (bug 605446)
[15:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605446 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Number of "other technical items" is inaccurate (affects: 2) (heat: 71)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605446
[15:48] <tremolux> kiwinote: and it occurred to me that we probably should just say "Show technical items" and "Hide technical items"; who cares how many there are?
[15:49] <didrocks> tremolux: hey, having "one technical item" in the featured apps and clicking on it doing nothing, known bug?
[15:49] <tremolux> kiwinote: except if you are the type to let "show 32000 technical items" scare you off  ;)
[15:49] <mpt> tremolux, exactly, so that you know whether you're going to get swamped
[15:50] <tremolux> mpt: I guess, but you either want to see them, or you don't
[15:50] <kiwinote> tremolux: by way of the show 32k vs hide 1600, it used to be a lot closer
[15:50] <tremolux> mpt:  you can always just click something else if you don't want to wait
[15:50] <didrocks> tremolux: oh, seems to be fixed, should have retried today :)
[15:50] <tremolux> didrocks: oh good
[15:50] <kiwinote> tremolux: I think the 32k refers to the number in the available pane, rather than limiting the scope to installed pkgs
[15:51] <tremolux> didrocks: yes, thanks, if you notice anything, be sure to ping
[15:51] <didrocks> tremolux: ping :p
[15:51] <tremolux> didrocks: ha!
[15:51] <didrocks> tremolux: the home page isn't sorted alphabetically
[15:51] <didrocks> tremolux: (we already discussed at the sprint about that one)
[15:52] <didrocks> tremolux: in French, we have Accessoires … Accès … Son et vidéo … Éducation
[15:52] <didrocks> É should be just after E
[15:52] <didrocks> not at the end
[15:52] <didrocks> (for the categories)
[15:54] <mpt> didrocks, report a bug, and link to <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#def-alphabetically> :-)
[15:54] <tremolux> didrocks: we oughta fix that!  :D
[15:54] <tremolux> thanks mpt
[15:55] <didrocks> mpt: tremolux doing it now :)
[15:55] <mpt> bahaha
[15:57]  * mpt just got an error alert that is taller than the screen
[15:57] <mvo_> thekorn: hello! there is a "example_plugin.py" in the source
[15:57] <tremolux> mpt: turn your computer sideways
[15:57] <mvo_> thekorn: but its not really well documented
[15:58]  * devildante lol'd at tremolux suggestion
[15:58] <mpt> mvo, when I get "Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message", is that error message logged anywhere I can copy it from?
[15:58] <mpt> tremolux, it has no gyroscope unfortunately
[15:58] <tremolux> mpt: ah dang
[16:00]  * kiwinote has a button on his screen to rotate it, pity it doesn't work though ;)
[16:00] <devildante> mpt, I'll check in source code
[16:00] <mvo_> mpt: best is to ship all the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[16:00] <didrocks> (bug #633238)
[16:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633238 in software-center (Ubuntu) "categories not sorted alphabetically (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633238
[16:00] <mvo_> mpt: in what context did you get the message
[16:00] <devildante> mpt, or you could just try what mvo said :p
[16:01] <mpt> mvo_, while installing updates. "Could not initialize the package information / An unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information."
[16:02] <vish> tremolux: hi, the dummy images [/data/images/dummy-screenshot-ubuntu.png , dummy-thumbnail-ubuntu.png ] for SC use the old Ubuntu logo.. we probably need to tell someone  :)
[16:02] <kiwinote> vish: do we use those anymore?
[16:02] <mvo_> mpt: uhh
[16:03] <kenvandine> seb128, i think i am going to have another SRU for gwibber
[16:03] <vish> kiwinote: hmm.. not sure.. maybe we need to remove them then ;)
[16:03] <jcastro> kenvandine: is this for it asking me to reauth twitter every few minutes?
[16:03] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, what changed?
[16:03] <kiwinote> vish: I think they're just there because the webkit views are still there as a fallback
[16:04] <mvo_> mpt: I'm in a meeting now, can we talk later? the output of "apt-get install -f --simulate" would be interessting
[16:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, if,when you fix that g-c-c bug, could you update the .install to install the new helper binary?
[16:04] <kenvandine> jcastro, no... didn't know about that
[16:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's not installed right now
[16:04] <vish> kiwinote: oh if its not important, nvm then..  ;)
[16:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the one to set the config as default
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, sure
[16:04] <kenvandine> seb128, i just fixed a problem for maverick's version of gwibber that also affects lucid's version
[16:04] <kenvandine> and... i suspect it is the root cause for a ton of bugs :)
[16:04] <seb128> ok
[16:05] <kenvandine> seb128, the problem is scheduled refreshes vs. user initiated refreshes
[16:05] <tremolux> vish, kiwinote: I think we don't use them, right, now we just show a small "No screenshot" image
[16:05] <kenvandine> when a user initiates a refresh it frequently ends up with multiple scheduled refreshes
[16:05] <kenvandine> so it refreshes more often than it should... sometimes stepping on itself in the process
[16:05] <tremolux> vish: thanks for noticing tho, good eye!  those should be removed, yes
[16:06] <kenvandine> and adding to our problem of saturating our allocation at facebook
[16:06] <kenvandine> last night i did a bunch of manual refreshes over and over again in between a single interval of scheduled refreshes
[16:06] <kenvandine> then looked at the log in the morning and it was refreshing every 1.5 minutes all night
[16:06] <kenvandine> and i have it set to 15m
[16:07] <kenvandine> the fix is to ensure the timer is removed on reschedule
[16:07] <kenvandine> simple fix
[16:07] <kenvandine> and actually kind of hard for anyone to notice it is happening... but under the covers it can cause all kinds of issues :/
[16:08] <vish> tremolux: neat! thanks.. :)
[16:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what sort of bugs or components do you prefer to hack on?
[16:11] <seb128> is anybody there wanting to hack on rhythmbox to make it not close while playing but just hides it ui?
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i don't mind really. what sort of things did you have in mind?
[16:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we have some crashers and some small coding like this rb one
[16:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think I will just build a list and ask you to pick whatever you are interested in
[16:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, or ping you when I've specific bugs which might work for you
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, a list sounds good
[16:13] <seb128> great, will do
[16:15] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[16:19] <kenvandine> seb128, i still need to test it for lucid, make sure it doesn't cause problems... but it should be safe
[16:20] <seb128> kenvandine, I just read what you wrote before, will be nice to get that fixed indeed
[16:21] <didrocks> I can be interested in the rhythmbox one :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> seb128, i need to do some LP digging to find bugs it probably fixes
[16:21] <didrocks> is it now blessed by design?
[16:21] <kenvandine> i bet it fixes a ton
[16:21] <seb128> didrocks, yes, it's what the design guideline recommends
[16:22] <didrocks> great :)
[16:22] <seb128> kenvandine, seems wrong that you can have refresh settpings on each other though
[16:22] <didrocks> (this annoyed me a lot)
[16:22] <seb128> kenvandine, you should have a refresh lock of something
[16:22] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I will clean the duplicates and assign you the bug, thanks for stepping ;-)
[16:22] <kenvandine> yeah... i could do that too...
[16:23] <didrocks> seb128: you're welcome. Nice to fix bugs that affects our daily exprience directly :)
[16:23] <seb128> didrocks, the notification area one does that so you can probably use that to start
[16:23] <seb128> ;-)
[16:23] <kenvandine> seb128, however, what i really want to do for the next cycle is create a schedule/operations table in the db
[16:23] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I was thinking stealing some code from there. Thanks for the hint!
[16:23] <kenvandine> so we can track all operations, and let gwibber programatically decide when it shouldn't do things
[16:24] <kenvandine> things like preventing too many requests to facebook
[16:24] <kenvandine> etc
[16:24] <kenvandine> but i want to do that in the db, and wouldn't be a good idea to introduce now
[16:25] <seb128> no
[16:25] <kenvandine> :)
[16:25] <seb128> doesn't seem something for this cycle
[16:25] <seb128> ;-)
[16:25] <kenvandine> it will be great to have, when i get to it :)
[16:26] <kenvandine> i hope to do it in a branch soon.. to prepare for next cycle and not risk not getting it done
[16:26] <kenvandine> maybe this weekend
[16:26] <kenvandine> it will also solve one of the problem we have that prevents some requirements we have from design
[16:49] <kklimonda> jcastro: do you have a moment? and if so could we talk in PM (as it's unrelated to this channel)?
[16:50] <jcastro> kklimonda: by all means
[16:53] <nessita> kenvandine: wanna/can do the review of the SIGHUP thing? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/add-sighup-handler/+merge/34870
[16:58] <nessita> so, another packaging question (this is not related to SSO but to a personal project): there is this cool project already on universe (http://launchpad.net/magicicada), and we'd like to upload a new version with bug fixes. Do we need a freeze exception or just the sponsorship for the new package?
[16:58] <nessita> changelog of bug fixes can be seen in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/487431/
[17:00] <and471> nessita, just out of curiosity, what is it? :)
[17:00] <nessita> and471: a GTK GUI for the file synchronization part of ubuntuone-client
[17:00] <seb128> nessita, bugfix updates don't need any exception
[17:00] <and471> nessita, cool :)
[17:01] <seb128> nessita, just get somebody to upload it
[17:01] <nessita> seb128: awesome. To get someone I should do the merge proposal and open a bug report, right?
[17:01] <seb128> yes
[17:01] <seb128> subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[17:02] <seb128> or just do the merge proposal and ask for review from sponsors
[17:02] <seb128> you don't need the bug I think
[17:02] <nessita> seb128: once again, thanks!
[17:03] <seb128> you're welcome
[17:03] <nessita> and471: if you use u1-client, you should definitely try magicidada, it rocks! :-D
[17:03] <and471> :)
[17:05] <kiwinote> didrocks: fixed bug 633238 ;)
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633238 in software-center (Ubuntu) "categories not sorted alphabetically (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633238
[17:05] <didrocks> kiwinote: already? awesome :)
[17:05] <kiwinote> didrocks: yw
[17:06] <didrocks> kiwinote: testing your change of the sort function :)
[17:06]  * didrocks didn't know about locale.strcoll
[17:07] <kiwinote> didrocks: yeah, nor did I, but google did :)
[17:07] <kiwinote> didrocks: let me know if it works to the french standards ;)
[17:07] <kenvandine> nessita, i can look at that merge proposal in a little bit, ok?
[17:08] <kenvandine> happy to do it, just busy atm
[17:08] <didrocks> kiwinote: apparently, it likes it! :-)
[17:08] <nessita> kenvandine: no problem
[17:08] <didrocks> kiwinote: thanks a lot, confirmed it fixes the issue
[17:08] <kiwinote> didrocks: nice, thanks!
[17:09] <didrocks> thank *you* :)
[17:11] <tremolux> kiwinote: nice!  :D
[17:39] <thekorn> mvo_: I tried writing a plugin on the bus, and it seems very easy (subclassing Plugin and implement init_plugin()),
[17:40] <thekorn> so if bug 631457 get fixed I will be very happy ;)
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631457 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Add ~/.local/share/software-center/plugins to the default search dir for plugins (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631457
[17:41] <mvo_> hey glatzor
[17:44] <glatzor> hey mvo_
[17:44] <glatzor> mvo_, I am now leaving to the kitchen!
[17:44] <glatzor> see you!
[17:46] <didrocks> thekorn: you can add symlinks, that's what I've done for developping
[17:48] <mvo_> glatzor: no problem, I just send a mail to you showing my ignorance on the inline_callbacks stuff :/ I hope you can enlighten me later. I will go for dinner too now :)
[17:52] <thekorn> didrocks: yes, this should work too
[17:55] <ronoc> bl8: hey
[17:58] <mpt> didrocks, have you changed "Ubuntu On" to "Ubuntu One" yet?
[17:59] <didrocks> mpt: what's the issue? is there a bug report? typo on oneconf?
[17:59] <mpt> didrocks, I didn't have time to report it, sorry. It's in the title bar.
[18:00]  * mpt -> home
[18:02] <seb128> dpm, hi
[18:04] <seb128> dpm, do you know who what would be the right thing to on this language selector, gdm issue?
[18:07] <dpm> hey seb128
[18:07] <dpm> let me look at it again, I think there was a comment with a suggestion by pitti
[18:12] <ronoc> bl8: will be back on later
[18:13] <dpm> seb128, after re-reading it, I think pitti's suggestion makes sense: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/553162/comments/10 - it mentions changes in gdm, although kdm or whatever sets LANG in Kubuntu might need change as well (although that should be probably filed as a separate bug)
[18:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Unset $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 19) (dups: 4) (heat: 115)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[18:14] <seb128> dpm, ok thank you
[18:14] <seb128> dpm, I will nudge pitti about it when he's back
[18:15] <dpm> seb128, ok, thanks for looking into it
[18:16] <bl8> ronoc: Hey, I'm here now
[18:17] <ronoc> bl8, hi, I cant' get banshee to register, sound menu has been activated from the prefs - running v1.7.5
[18:18] <bl8> ronoc: Do you have the "Show Banshee in sound menu" preference checked ? it should be in the first tab, and checked by default
[18:19] <ronoc> bl8,  yes its checked
[18:20] <bl8> ronoc: Hrm, any interesting output when you run "banshee --debug" from a terminal ?
[18:22] <ronoc> bl8, http://paste.ubuntu.com/490460/
[18:24] <seb128> kiwinote, mvo_: I've declined the nomination on bug #628823 it doesn't seem something the r-t should be tracking let me know if you disagree
[18:24] <ubot2> seb128: Bug 628823 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/628823 is private
[18:25] <seb128> http://launchpad.net/bugs/628823
[18:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628823 in software-center (Ubuntu) "password request for proxy access everytime the install button is clicked (affects: 1) (heat: 583)" [Low,New]
[18:25] <bl8> ronoc: Log looks OK, let me update my VM and see if I can reproduce here
[18:30] <ronoc> bl8: what sharp packages do i need - I pulled in these -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/490468/
[18:31] <bl8> ronoc: deps should be fine, if not there would be a nice stack trace in the logs
[18:31] <ronoc> grand
[18:40] <ronoc> bl8, will be back in a bit
[18:45] <mterry> bryceh, let me disabuse you of the notion that there is any doubt about nethack's quality.  ;)
[18:47] <bryceh> mterry, 0:-)
[18:47] <bryceh> mterry, actually I've been a bit addicted to dwarf fortress lately
[18:48] <mterry> bryceh, I keep hearing good things about it!
[18:48] <bryceh> mterry, it's like a cross between nethack and warcraft
[18:54] <bl8> ronoc: registration of Banshee works for me in maverick, with indicator-sound 0.4.2
[19:26] <didrocks> ronoc: thinking about it, if I hide rhythmbox on close, does the soundmenu will show it?
[19:36] <seb128> didrocks, yes
[19:36] <jcastro> hi huats
[19:36] <didrocks> seb128: indeed :-)
[19:36] <didrocks> seb128: it works
[19:37] <jcastro> huats: good news, I mentioned per package uploads to murrayc at guadec, and he seemed receptive to the idea.
[19:37] <seb128> ;-)
[19:37] <didrocks> I just need to see if ctrl+w is something we can easily map
[19:37] <jcastro> huats: I was thinking maybe we can just set them up to maintain their own packages in the archive?
[19:42] <huats> jcastro, yeah you already told me
[19:42] <huats> that is indeed a good idea the ppu
[19:42] <seb128> I crossed murrayc at the airport when leaving GUADEC
[19:42] <huats> I am about to pubish their new version in the archive
[19:42] <seb128> he didn't tell me about that
[19:43] <seb128> but he would like to get his stuff updated ;-)
[19:44] <jcastro> huats: oh sorry, I forgot I had told you
[19:46] <jcastro> if an upstream is already maintaining their own PPA and they're not in main then I don't see a reason to not ask them to do PPU.
[19:46] <seb128> jcastro, speaking of ppa, what is the status of daily builds?
[19:47] <jcastro> waiting on 1 bug
[19:47] <jcastro> I've deferred my WIs on it for now
[20:00] <huats> jcastro, hum I think might be interesting to be carefulfor ppu
[20:01] <jcastro> right, I meant with a real process, etc.
[20:06] <huats> jcastro, yeah
[20:07] <huats> I am clearly not for a all the time case
[20:07] <huats> I mean even murray needs a lot of upload for each of his builds
[20:07] <micahg> seb128: banshee-community-extensions seems to be stuck in NEW which might prevent people from upgrading and testing
[20:07] <huats> which is not really the best approach
[20:08] <huats> may be it would be interesting jcastro to mentor a bit upstream who want to take care of their package
[20:10] <jcastro> right, that's what I was thinking
[20:11] <jcastro> I'm going to TODO this
[20:20] <kiwinote> mvo_: pushed a few trivial changes to make those dependency dialogs work again
[20:27] <mvo_> kiwinote: merging, thanks
[20:31] <mvo_> kiwinote: excellent! thanks for those fixes
[20:43] <nessita> didrocks: still around?
[20:43] <didrocks> nessita: just leaving, needs help? :)
[20:43] <nessita> didrocks: a quick question: lintian complains with maintainer-script-ignores-errors
[20:43] <nessita> didrocks: when doing the rmdir... || true
[20:44] <didrocks> hum, weird
[20:44] <nessita> didrocks: I googled a bit but I find no useful answer (not directly related)
[20:44] <didrocks> can you pastebin your postinst?
[20:44] <nessita> sure
[20:44] <seb128> nessita, lintian -i
[20:44] <seb128> nessita, lintian -i *.changes
[20:44] <seb128> nessita, it has a verbose description about the issue
[20:45] <didrocks> nessita: do you use set -x at the beginning of your script?
[20:45] <didrocks> set -e
[20:45] <didrocks> sorry
[20:45] <nessita> didrocks: nopes
[20:45] <didrocks> "The maintainer script doesn't seem to set the -e flag which ensures that the script's execution is aborted when any executed command fails."
[20:45] <nessita> didrocks: this is the script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/490538/
[20:45] <nessita> ah!
[20:45] <seb128> nessita, try lintian -i
[20:45] <didrocks> and you should use sh :)
[20:45] <nessita> didrocks: should I? ok :-)
[20:45] <nessita> didrocks: why?
[20:46] <seb128> nessita, the postinst is a bit hackish
[20:46] <didrocks> nessita: not everyone has bash installed, we really on sh which is a symlink to dash
[20:46] <seb128> nessita, see http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling
[20:46] <nessita> seb128: you mean my postinst?
[20:46] <seb128> yes
[20:46] <seb128> you don't have the
[20:46] <mvo_> devildante: the conflicts branch is in, once again a big thank you
[20:47] <devildante> mvo_: np, and thank YOU for the merge :)
[20:47] <seb128> nessita, you should have the case in install|upgrade ... compare version
[20:47] <mvo_> kiwinote: your fixes I just merged too (weeh, that sounds like yoda ;)
[20:47] <seb128> nessita, you want to do the cleaning only once
[20:47] <devildante> mvo_: the grammar you should fix :p
[20:47] <mvo_> lol
[20:48]  * mvo_ hugs devildante
[20:48] <nessita> seb128: I follow the man page for dpkg-maintscript-helper, I may misunderstood something. Let me re-read
[20:48]  * devildante hugs back mvo_
[20:48] <slomo> didrocks: any news about xvid? :)
[20:48] <seb128> slomo, hi!
[20:48] <slomo> hi seb128 :)
[20:48] <didrocks> slomo: yeah, the issue is in xvidcore, we run 2 configure, and one is ignoring the pthread, not sure why
[20:49] <didrocks> slomo: I pasted yesterday IIRC some build log
[20:49] <slomo> didrocks: ok, so xvidcore has to be fixed and then everything is good?
[20:49] <nessita> seb128: you sure? manpage reads "...All of this is implemented by putting the following shell snippet in the preinst, postinst and postrm maintainer scripts"
[20:49] <didrocks> slomo: right
[20:49] <didrocks> slomo: I just don't have the time right now to look at this
[20:50] <seb128> slomo, bug #589047
[20:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 589047 in gstreamer0.10 (Ubuntu) "gst-plugin-scanner crashed with KeyError in <module>() (affects: 136) (dups: 20) (heat: 672)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/589047
[20:50] <seb128> slomo, do you know about this issue?
[20:50] <seb128> nessita, yes, the manpage give you how to do the cleaning, but not how to write postinst scripts
[20:50] <seb128> nessita, it supposes you know how to do that ;-)
[20:51] <nessita> seb128: right. Well, as you can see, I never wrote a postint (nor pre) script
[20:51] <slomo> seb128: no but it's not important, gst-plugin-scanner simply blacklists plugins that fail to load or cause crashes. only bad that apport catches it :)
[20:51] <seb128> nessita, grep rm_conffile /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst
[20:51] <slomo> seb128: can you reproduce it?
[20:52] <seb128> slomo, I see it sometimes
[20:52]  * bcurtiswx suggests didrocks runs while they can :P
[20:52] <seb128> I got it while starting totem in a guest session recently
[20:52] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: yeah, seb128 just distracted slomo, seems a good time :-)
[20:52] <slomo> seb128: which python version is the default in ubuntu?
[20:53] <seb128> nessita, if you want some examples
[20:53] <nessita> seb128: I know I'm stubborn, but: from the manpage I understand that passing the "lastversion" param the confile is only removed when needed (ie, when the version is the one that had the conffile)
[20:53] <didrocks> (bye bye everyone)
[20:53] <seb128> nessita, but basically you want to use sh -e and a case and a version check
[20:53] <seb128> didrocks, 'night
[20:53] <nessita> didrocks: bye, thanks for the help
[20:53] <nessita> seb128: "lastversion is the  last  version  of the  package  that contained the conffile (or the last version of the package that did not take care to remove the obsolete conffile if this was not  immediately  implemented).   If lastversion  is empty or omitted, then the operation is tried on every upgrade"
[20:54] <nessita> so I specifically set the lastversion to a proper value
[20:54] <nessita> (I'm looking at examples anyways, to avoid being kicked :-D)
[20:54] <slomo> seb128: you might want to talk to twi in #gstreamer , he's the defacto gst-python maintainer nowadays
[20:54] <seb128> nessita, right, then you want at least to use the check for the rmdir calls
[20:54] <seb128> slomo, ok
[20:55] <nessita> seb128: I'll fix it then :-)
[20:55] <seb128> nessita, great ;-)
[20:55] <slomo> seb128: any other new gstreamer bugs? or important gstreamer bugs? :)
[20:56] <seb128> slomo, not that I noticed no
[20:56] <slomo> seb128: also, as a workaround you could simply drop the plugin from gst-python... nobody uses it (yet) anyway
[20:58] <seb128> slomo, I was just pointing it case it would something interest or you would know about it
[20:58] <seb128> slomo, there is no apport running on stable versions by default so that's not really an issue
[20:59] <seb128> slomo, thanks
[21:00] <slomo> np :) unfortunately my python knowledge and knowledge about the python plugin is... suboptimal :) i'd be more useful for other gstreamer bugs i guess
[21:01] <kiwinote> mvo_: thanks for the merges :-)
[21:04] <bcurtiswx> if i wanted to test upstream latest (from git), and build on my own machine (and make patches in future) without messing with current version, is there a wiki or something that would best show me how?
[21:04] <tkamppeter> Hi, can someone upload my fixed Jockey package? I have fixed bug 574396 and bug 604698. The fixes are important to support manufacturer-supplied printer drivers.
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 574396 in jockey (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Jockey very slow when searching/downloading/installing printer drivers from OpenPrinting (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/574396
[21:04] <bcurtiswx> or is this best for -devel?
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604698 in jockey (Ubuntu) "Automatic printer driver download should support signed packages (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604698
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> heh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594513 must be the quickest review ever!
[21:11] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 594513 in Editor "Should be able to localize "spellchecker.dictionary" preference" [Enhancement,New]
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> barely a few seconds after i pressed the submit button
[21:52] <jcastro> kenvandine: dude
[21:52] <jcastro> you are not going to believe this
[21:52] <kenvandine> ?
[21:52] <jcastro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/OMG_WORKING_DAILY.png
[21:53] <jcastro> That is ~desktop-team packaging, right from bzr, mushed in with upstream trunk
[21:53] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: since the last time I've restarted Fx (ten hours) it got to around 600MB of used memory
[21:53] <jcastro> click click, DONE.
[21:53] <kenvandine> wow... finally dailies!
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, does this happen with any particular site?
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> or on a new profile?
[22:06] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: no, it's just me browsing the web as usual - I think it's a little beeter now, with all addons disabled so I'll just don't use any other than adblock.
[22:23] <ronoc> didrocks: it should do
[22:23] <ronoc> bl8: odd
[22:40] <chrisccoulson_> kklimonda, have you ever built firefox from source before?
[22:41] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson_: in the ancient times, before X was split into modules :)
[22:41] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson_: but I think I could still do it if you have something for me to try :)
[22:42] <chrisccoulson_> i was going to suggest that you try a build with --disable-jemalloc --enable-valgrind, so that you could try running it though valgrind
[22:42] <chrisccoulson_> that will be pretty painful unless you have a fast machine though ;)
[22:43] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson_: I was afraid you would say that :/
[22:43] <chrisccoulson_> you might run out of RAM entirely ;)
[22:44] <kklimonda> I know, I love valgrind myself but for.. a little smaller projects ;)
[22:46] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson_: I'll keep Fx running over next day or so and see if it's still getting more weight - maybe ~600MB is as far as it will go?
[22:46] <seb128> speaking of valgrind
[22:46] <kklimonda> if not.. meh, I have no idea - running it under valgrind doesn't appeal to me.
[22:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, would you be interested by a g-s-d invalid read?
[22:46] <chrisccoulson_> how are you measuring the mmemory usage?
[22:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, seems to be in the indicator change...
[22:46] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - yeah, sure
[22:46] <seb128> there is also a libgnome-desktop one on start
[22:46] <seb128> not sure if that one is distro specific
[22:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, ok
[22:47] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson_: ps_mem.py, ps aux and /proc/$(pid)/status
[22:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson_, bug #630239 is yours then
[22:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630239 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with signal 5 in gkbd_keyboard_drawing_new_dialog() (affects: 17) (heat: 78)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630239
[22:48] <chrisccoulson_> seb128 - thanks
[22:48] <seb128> thank you ;-)
[22:48] <seb128> the crash described there could be fixed though
[22:49] <seb128> let's use the bug for the invalid read (or write I'm not sure now) valgrind list