[07:33] <Nagaraja> hi all
[09:33] <huats> morning
[16:00] <mvo_> hello
[16:00] <doko> hi
[16:02] <robbiew> hi
[16:04] <cjwatson> heya
[16:04] <robbiew> everyone's here
[16:04] <robbiew> hmm...except ev
[16:05] <robbiew> let's get rolling
[16:05] <Keybuk> he's on the design team now, we can go on without him :p
[16:05] <robbiew> heh
[16:05]  * ev fail
[16:05] <robbiew> (10:05:18 AM) Keybuk: he's on the design team now, we can go on without him :p
[16:05] <ev> Glade distracted me
[16:05] <ev> lol
[16:05] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:05. The chair is robbiew.
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[16:06] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:06] <robbiew> mvo_ care to go first?
[16:06] <mvo_> did
[16:06] <mvo_> debug lucid->maverick upgrade issues; apt merges/debugging; python-apt fixes; software-center: work on buy-something,merge branches,bugfixes; add screenshot-with-version patch into debshoots (pending upstream approval);
[16:06] <mvo_> (done)
[16:07] <robbiew> doko?
[16:08] <doko> last week at OOoCon, icedtea6-1.9 uploads for maverick, fall back to openjdk 6b18 on armel, more gcc cross merges, OOo armel build, binutils update, eglibc update
[16:08] <robbiew> thnx
[16:08] <doko> and having fun with xvfb
[16:08] <robbiew> heh
[16:08] <robbiew> barry?
[16:09] <barry> short week; bug 627654; landed pep 3149; gtimelog update and packaging; (done)
[16:09] <cjwatson> landed> cool!
[16:09] <barry> \o/
[16:09] <robbiew> heh
[16:09] <robbiew> psurbhi?
[16:10] <psurbhi> 1) worked on understanding md devices initialization/bring up and understanding the requirements for making it event driven
[16:10] <psurbhi> 2) worked on bug 628400
[16:10] <psurbhi> ..
[16:10] <psurbhi> (done)
[16:10] <robbiew> thnx
[16:10] <robbiew> Keybuk?
[16:12] <robbiew> he's either typing an insanely long update...or has drifted away
[16:12] <Keybuk> working on: making the ureadahead reprofiling history not take a significant percentage of disk space,
[16:12] <Keybuk>  keep getting distracted by things :-(
[16:12] <Keybuk> --
[16:12] <Keybuk> no, he got told to "TAKE A BREAK!" and couldn't apparently click the no button
[16:13] <robbiew> heh
[16:13] <robbiew> cjwatson?
[16:13] <cjwatson> done: beta release; battling to get grub/uefi working, with manjo and superm1; worked out how to prepare test USB images in KVM so that more bugs are easily accessible; finished display_message implementation in plymouth details splash plugin
[16:13] <cjwatson> todo: move lvm2 to /dev/mapper symlinks; ubiquity reboot issues (oem-priority); sort out /lib/init/rw/sendsigs.omit.d chaos; oem-config bugs on USB; update gparted to 0.6.2
[16:13] <cjwatson> --
[16:14] <robbiew> and for me
[16:15] <robbiew> Finished up interviews and made an offer; neck deep in bugs as release manager; and prodding folks to get objectives in...hint..hint
[16:15] <mvo_> *cough* objectives *cough*
[16:15] <robbiew> also ordered some port replicator thingy for cjwatson ;)
[16:15] <robbiew> uefi is so much *fun*
[16:15] <cjwatson> serial console pain
[16:16] <robbiew> [TOPIC] 10.10 bugs
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  10.10 bugs
[16:16] <ev> oh whatevs
[16:16] <robbiew> heh
[16:16] <robbiew> lol
[16:16] <robbiew> ev?
[16:16] <ev> there we go :-P
[16:16] <ev> fixing bugs and taking names.  Got quite a few of the major ones in ubiquity covered off.  Discussions with the design team (ha ha) on the hostname issue, the automatic login issue, and the wording on the prepare page.
[16:16] <ev> Still to do: the bugs requested of me by cjwatson and robbiew, running jockey with the passthrough frontend (somehow - it uses python-apt which makes getting it to receive debconf-apt-progress's apt options tricky and I've been unsuccessful on convincing that to use a different debconf frontend - help wanted ;) )
[16:16] <ev> getting dylan to land the new slideshow, getting the installer panel wrapped in ck-launch-session so that it gets the XDG cookie (gtk-logout-helper needs to do CK), fixing the wireless page, fixing the disk total size on the partitioner page.
[16:16] <ev> blocked: Waiting to hear back from IS on the geonames service (RT 40560) and the installer testing stuff in Millbank (RT 40559, RT 39986)
[16:16] <ev> (done)
[16:17] <robbiew> thnx
[16:17] <cjwatson> the IS stuff is on my queue for Monday - does it need to be escalated before that?
[16:17] <cjwatson> if so, it might be a plan to escalate directly with #is
[16:18] <robbiew> oh...and that reminds me that I'm working on getting a wubi.ubuntu.com...which is WAY more process involved than I anticipated
[16:18] <ev> entirely up to you - if you think we need the geonames server up and running for CD testing before monday, then yes.  Otherwise no.
[16:18] <robbiew> it might be easier to just add a /wubi to releases.ubuntu.com and call it a day :/
[16:19] <ev> I'm surprised this isn't in the hands of the design team, as it's simply another part of the main website.
[16:19] <robbiew> ev: well...there's a "committee" now
[16:19] <ev> oh dear
[16:19] <robbiew> http://www.sadtrombone.com
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.sadtrombone.com
[16:20] <ev> lol
[16:20] <robbiew> anywho...thnx ev
[16:20] <robbiew> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27462
[16:21] <robbiew> nothing too crazy there
[16:22] <robbiew> and nothing insane in the nomination queue
[16:22] <robbiew> are there any bugs that folks want/need to discuss?
[16:22] <cjwatson> bug 605042 is entirely linaro?
[16:22] <doko> yes
[16:22] <cjwatson> I mean, their responsibility
[16:23] <cjwatson> I have some difficulties with apt-cdrom right now
[16:23] <doko> well, it seems to be a kernel issue with the lucid babbage kernel
[16:23] <cjwatson> this is for bug 628290 et al
[16:24] <cjwatson> I'm having some trouble mashing our persistent USB sticks into a shape where apt-cdrom isn't going to think that their ident hashes keep changing
[16:24] <cjwatson> because its algorithm is basically designed for read-only filesystems, and suddenly in this case /cdrom is, well, not
[16:25] <cjwatson> I think I might be able to get away with it by moving the persistent copy-on-write file out of the root directory and whack-a-moling whatever else happens to change top-level directory timestamps, but was wondering if mvo had any better ideas
[16:26] <mvo_> cjwatson: hm, I wonder if we can simply use the stuff in .disk as identifier?
[16:26] <cjwatson> by way of minimal change, maybe do that if /cdrom is writable?
[16:27] <mvo_> cjwatson: yes, that sounds reasonable
[16:27] <cjwatson> then we're guaranteed nothing will change for real CDs
[16:27] <cjwatson> it uses the stuff in .disk/info as a prompt anyway
[16:27] <mvo_> yeah, I can do this change today
[16:27] <cjwatson> if you think that's a good plan, I can knock together a patch ... or that
[16:28] <cjwatson> cool, thank you
[16:28] <mvo_> ok
[16:28]  * cjwatson blinks at the desktop team.  I know it's wishlist, but why is bug 483001 targeted to maverick and milestoned for ubuntu-10.10 at this point?
[16:29] <cjwatson> ([needs-packaging] Wayland)
[16:30] <robbiew> hmm...that does seem odd
[16:30] <cjwatson> anyway, I don't see a lot else there that we need to discuss; all the other bugs I would ask about seem to be being handled
[16:30] <robbiew> yep
[16:30] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB?
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[16:30] <cjwatson> I suggest people look through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs if they're short of specific things to do
[16:30] <cjwatson> there will be quite a few targets of opportunity there
[16:31] <robbiew> +1
[16:31] <robbiew> cjwatson: is this bug still considered "New" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/grub2/+bug/623609
[16:32] <robbiew> meh...seems to be assigned to Server, so will let them handle it
[16:32] <doko> short of? lol ...
[16:32]  * mvo_ was thinking the same
[16:32]  * robbiew saw grub2 and didn't bother reading the assignee :/
[16:33] <cjwatson> robbiew: bumped to Confirmed, though I owe smoser an hour's solid thought about that bug
[16:33] <robbiew> ok
[16:33] <cjwatson> he has been asking for my help
[16:34] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Good News?
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News?
[16:34]  * robbiew made a decision and is proceeding with an offer for the opening on the team \o/
[16:34] <barry> yay!
[16:34] <ev> I got a notification area implementation in the installer panel.  So now we'll have the network manager applet there right from the get-go
[16:35] <ev> robbiew: hooray
[16:35] <robbiew> ev: nice!
[16:35] <mvo_> cool
[16:36] <robbiew> okay...seems to be it
[16:36] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:36.
[16:36] <robbiew> thanks all!
[16:37] <ev> thanks
[16:37] <mvo_> thanks
[16:37] <barry> thanks
[20:00] <highvoltage> bonjour / hola / hello / goeiedag / molo!
[20:01] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting agenda is unchanged since last week, I guess no one had some time to look at it :)
[20:01] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[20:01] <dinda> howdy
[20:01] <highvoltage> hey dinda
[20:02] <highvoltage> I'll try to be super-quick with updates. today I'm working on some bugs that prevent edubuntu from upgrading corretly from 10.04 -> 10.10
[20:02] <highvoltage> stgraber worked on our ubiquity ltsp/netbook installer stuff. it might even be finished in time to get into this release at this rate
[20:03] <highvoltage> I made some changes to the website, also added a documentation page: http://edubuntu.org/documentation
[20:03] <highvoltage> I'll poke mgariepy this week to write up something about the edubuntu menu editor that we can put up there
[20:04] <highvoltage> I'll put together the what-is-edubunt slides on the main page too this coming weekend
[20:04] <highvoltage> and I've put together some edubutu slides for the installer slideshow for 10.10: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-slideshow/
[20:05] <alkisg> Hi all
[20:05] <highvoltage> that's it from me basically :)
[20:05] <highvoltage> hey alkisg
[20:06] <highvoltage> any news from anyone else?
[20:06]  * alkisg is just writing some ltsp troubleshooting wiki pages these days...
[20:06] <dinda> site is looking nice, doc page is good
[20:09] <dinda> just a reminder for anyone seeking UDS sponsorship, I think the deadline is this week
[20:09]  * mhall119 is here
[20:09] <mhall119> almost on time
[20:09] <highvoltage> it's today
[20:09] <mhall119> I applied yesterday
[20:10] <highvoltage> anything else for today or shall we make it a super-quick meeting? :)
[20:10] <mhall119> I see they're starting to put tracks on summit.ubuntu.com
[20:11] <mhall119> highvoltage: I was curious, what parts of Edubuntu can I test from VirtualBox?
[20:11]  * stgraber waves
[20:11] <mhall119> and which of those needs some specific attention
[20:11] <highvoltage> mhall119: pretty much all of it
[20:11] <mhall119> ok
[20:11] <highvoltage> mhall119: the netbook interface won't work though, it requires hardware accelleration
[20:12] <stgraber> tomorrow's image should have most of the new stuff
[20:12] <mhall119> I used it for get screenshots for debian
[20:12] <mhall119> highvoltage: virtualbox does passthru 3d acceleration
[20:12] <mhall119> enough for compiz anyway
[20:12] <mhall119> I just have the DVD download so far
[20:12] <mhall119> is the netbook interface on that?
[20:13] <mhall119> stgraber: cool, I'll have to zsync it
[20:13] <highvoltage> mhall119: have you ever got it working even half-way properly?
[20:13] <mhall119> I haven't tried netbook
[20:13] <mhall119> or do you mean compiz?
[20:14] <highvoltage> even compiz is *very* slow on virtualbox on my ati and intel chips
[20:14] <highvoltage> maybe it's faster on nvidia
[20:14] <mhall119> hmm, to be honest I haven't tried, Qimo disables it by default
[20:14] <mhall119> I have an intel GPU
[20:14] <mhall119> and not a particularly good one
[20:14] <highvoltage> well, try it and you'll see :)
[20:15] <mhall119> does the netbook interface use whatever new UI they've got for UNE?
[20:15] <highvoltage> yes, the network inerface is on the dvd, you should be able to install it from ubiquity from tomorrow's build onwards
[20:15] <mhall119> because I've heard that doesn't run real well on older netbooks
[20:15] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep, it is unity
[20:15] <mhall119> meh, probably won't be nice to my pre-Atom EeePC 701
[20:16] <highvoltage> yeah those are getting quite long in the tooth :)
[20:16] <ScottK> mhall119: Is this on Maverick?
[20:17] <mhall119> ScottK: that's what I've been testing, but I have only hearsay about Unity
[20:17] <mhall119> highvoltage: it still runs Qimo just fine
[20:17] <highvoltage> mhall119: it shouldn't run much worse than what qimo does, the 701 has accelerated graphics
[20:17] <ScottK> If you are running Intel based video on Maverick, you'll almost certainly have more luck with the mesa from the sarvatt/mesa PPA (this is being aimed at the release, shortly).
[20:18] <ScottK> highvoltage: mesa is currently in very bad shape on Maverick.
[20:18] <mhall119> highvoltage: yeah, but no SSE3, which seems to help boost graphics speeds
[20:18] <highvoltage> mhall119: meh. buy a new netbook, they're cheap :)
[20:18] <mhall119> highvoltage: I bought this one used for $100
[20:19] <mhall119> the kids use it on trips
[20:19] <mhall119> I'm not buying them a new one to run tuxpaint
[20:19] <highvoltage> :)
[20:19] <mhall119> though, ironically, it's the only one of our 6 computers that runs Skype perfectly
[20:21] <highvoltage> they're pretty much underpowered for anything modern though. I think they have the same CPU's as the original classmate
[20:21] <mhall119> dinda or highvoltage, is there going to be an official "Education" track for UDS?
[20:21] <highvoltage> (mobile celeron 900)
[20:21] <mhall119> highvoltage: yup, that's the one
[20:21] <mhall119> and 4GB SSD
[20:21] <highvoltage> mhall119: I doubt it, I guess we'll just integrate with those tracks
[20:21] <mhall119> :(
[20:21] <highvoltage> stgraber: you're an administrator on that site, do you have any info on what we can do?
[20:21] <mhall119> that can't be all the tracks though
[20:22] <mhall119> there's always a community track at least
[20:22] <stgraber> we'll just book in the existing tracks
[20:22] <highvoltage> I guess "Application Selection and Defaults" will cover most of our tracks
[20:22] <highvoltage> that seems to be the new desktop track
[20:22] <dinda> mhall119: most of the topics can be covered in other tracks
[20:22] <mhall119> I'm going to try and get my brother to come over for a day or two, he's the Qimo artist
[20:22] <highvoltage> and the serer stuff in cloud
[20:23] <highvoltage> community stuff in governance I suppose
[20:23] <highvoltage> sorry I'm just blabbering now ;)
[20:23] <mhall119> hmmm, summit seems quite broken at the moment
[20:23] <dinda> highvoltage: stgraber:  Tom Hoffman of SchoolTool said he was at UDS Brussels - did you folks meet with that team?
[20:24] <highvoltage> dinda: yep
[20:24] <dinda> he didn't sound like he had plans to be in Orlando but they are trying to make the Natty deadlines
[20:24] <highvoltage> dinda: well, I was skyped into our sessin, at least :)
[20:25] <stgraber> dinda: I did
[20:25] <highvoltage> dinda: we've been communicating off-list recentlly, they're going to skip maverick and we'll work together on it for natty as soon as the archives open
[20:26] <dinda> yip, that's what he told me as well, sounds like they have the packaging under control
[20:27] <mhall119> sounds like me
[20:28] <dinda> a question about "building your own ubuntu" came from a school administrator. . .
[20:28] <dinda> looking for a way to do custom images - is there documentation on that?
[20:28] <mhall119> how complex are the customizations?
[20:28] <mhall119> there are tools for re-building an ISO with modifications to the installed packages that work fairly well
[20:28] <dinda> highvoltage: I think this could be part of the Edbuntu install server
[20:29] <mhall119> dinda: did they mean customizing it after install, or customizing an install image?
[20:29] <dinda> mhall119: They are really just looking for a way to choose exactly which apps to install
[20:29] <highvoltage> dinda: yep, there's some really good documentation on that on the ubuntu wiki
[20:29] <dinda> customizing an install image
[20:30] <mhall119> "uck" will respin the live cd ISO
[20:30] <mhall119> not sure if it'll work on a dvd iso though
[20:30] <highvoltage> it will.
[20:30] <highvoltage> (at, least, it will the edubuntu iso)
[20:31] <dinda> can one of you point me to that wiki page?
[20:31] <highvoltage> dinda: uck is http://uck.sourceforge.net/
[20:31] <mhall119> http://uck.sourceforge.net/ is the website
[20:31] <mhall119> dang it
[20:31] <mhall119> or apt-get install uck
[20:32] <highvoltage> dinda: I'll have a website available soon where you'll be able to choose which iso you want and which packages you want on it, and it will then spin a custom cd for you that you can download, I'll point you to that once it's available
[20:32] <dinda> perfect, that will get them started
[20:32] <highvoltage> well, soon as in, probably a month from now :)
[20:32] <mhall119> highvoltage: cool
[20:33] <dinda> highvoltage: wow, that would be awesome, will that be on the edubuntu site?
[20:34] <highvoltage> dinda: I can perhaps link to it from the edubuntu site, but I'm sure the canonical sysadmins will hate me if I start building cd images for everyone on their web servers :)
[20:34] <dinda> true!
[20:35] <highvoltage> it's basically going to be a modification of http://studio.debian.net/
[20:35] <highvoltage> I'll use the interface and just replace the actual build scripts with my own that will need some slight modification
[20:47] <dinda> anything else?
[20:47] <mhall119> not from me
[20:47] <mhall119> looking forward to seeing everyone at UDS and planning a rocking 11.04
[20:47] <dinda> not much to report from me -
[20:48] <dinda> mhall119: still need to ping you and wife about 'what parents need to know about Ubuntu"
[20:48] <dinda> mhall119: will she be online tonight?
[20:48] <mhall119> parents?  i thought you wanted to know about schools
[20:49] <dinda> mhall119: parents too
[20:49] <mhall119> i think she'll be around tonight, but not likely tomorrow or Friday
[20:50] <highvoltage> sorry I got distracted by work
[20:50] <highvoltage> yeah uds should be fun :)
[20:51] <highvoltage> let's head to #edubuntu... *GONG*
[20:51] <dinda> :)
[20:51] <dinda> thanks all