[02:30] <prep> Holstein
[02:30] <holstein> prep: HEY
[02:30] <holstein> missed you earlier
[02:30] <holstein> whats new?
[02:31] <prep> No worries, just downloaded Clementine, and  iTunes like app, I extracted, how do I complete the install?
[02:31] <holstein> hmm
[02:31] <prep> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/clementine-music-player-rc-adds-ipod-support-wiiremote-control-more/
[02:32] <dtcrshr> an anyone help me? i got sound when i check the pcm metter bridge, but no sound at all on the 1010 outputs
[02:32] <dtcrshr> al cables / fisic tests done
[02:32] <holstein> hey dtcrshr
[02:32] <holstein> dtcrshr: double check your routing in JACK
[02:33] <dtcrshr> http://yfrog.com/mgjackoutputp
[02:33] <holstein> prep: are you running 64bit ubuntu?
[02:33] <prep> No 32 bit, just updated to Meerkat 10.10
[02:34] <holstein> good luck :)
[02:34] <holstein> prep: just make sure you download the proper package
[02:34] <holstein> the i386.deb
[02:34] <prep> i386
[02:34] <prep> so now what?
[02:34] <holstein> http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/downloads/detail?name=clementine_0.5%7Erc1_i368.deb&can=2&q=Release%3DRC
[02:34] <holstein> yeah
[02:34] <holstein> and just click on it
[02:35] <holstein> theres a GUI that'll pop up
[02:35] <holstein> and walk you through the rest
[02:35] <holstein> assuming all the dependancies are satisfiable
[02:35] <holstein> your good to go
[02:35] <holstein> you can just click on .deb's like that
[02:35]  * holstein looking dtcrshr 
[02:36] <prep> it's not, two folders, DEBIAN , usr
[02:36] <holstein> ??
[02:36]  * persia idly notes that one ought take great care with random .debs one finds on the internet, as installing any .deb grants root temporarily to the person who created it.
[02:36] <holstein> let me look
[02:36] <holstein> persia: word
[02:37] <persia> I think gdebi has to be installed for the double-click thing to work.
[02:37] <holstein> AH
[02:37] <holstein> and thats not in ubuntustudio then persia ?
[02:38] <holstein> prep: you can still use dpkg from the command line if you want
[02:38] <persia> Not for maverick (only xubuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-*, and ubuntu-netbook)
[02:38] <holstein> prep: what are you wanting this for?
[02:38] <prep> iTunes replacement, it's based on Amrok
[02:38] <holstein> this is a very good point persia is making
[02:38] <prep> still tire kicking
[02:38] <persia> If one is running something else, the command to check is `apt-cache show gdebi | grep ^Task`
[02:39] <holstein> part of the awesomeness of linux is the way all the software comes from and is updated by the repositories
[02:39] <prep> yeah I'm picking up some books to understand better
[02:39] <holstein> 'trusted sources' are great because you know the system will be stable
[02:39] <persia> Um, no.  That's the awesomeness of Debian and derivatives.  linux doesn't require that in any way (and is probably the most-forked project out there)
[02:40] <persia> (Well, and other distros acquired the habit some time back)
[02:40] <holstein> well, i should say, part of what i think is awesome about debian deriviatives
[02:40] <persia> \o/
[02:40] <holstein> i was helping a friend update skype in windows today
[02:40] <prep> is that a vagina?
[02:40] <holstein> we had to go the the skype site
[02:40] <persia> Supposed to be hands-up-in-the-air-celebrating
[02:40] <holstein> and download something
[02:41] <holstein> install it
[02:41] <prep> aha, sorry
[02:41] <holstein> quite strange process from what ive gotten comfortalbe with
[02:41] <prep> so this app wont run on my system?
[02:41] <holstein> prep: i would assume since its on OMGubuntu
[02:41] <holstein> somebody got it running on ubuntu
[02:42] <prep> but how to....
[02:42] <holstein> prep: you could google.. how to install .deb file in ubuntu
[02:42] <persia> dpkg -i
[02:42] <holstein> there are lots of options
[02:42] <prep> there's a thought
[02:42] <holstein> well, not lots
[02:42] <holstein> several
[02:43]  * holstein likes VLC
[02:43] <holstein> i always install that pretty quickly
[02:43] <prep> found a good replacement for Logic, EnergyEXT
[02:43] <holstein> nice
[02:44] <prep> picking up HP atom 550 dual core
[02:45] <holstein> that'll do it
[02:45] <holstein> you know what i really like about i tunes?
[02:45] <holstein>  
[02:46] <holstein> ^^
[02:46] <holstein> ;)
[02:46] <prep> what's that
[02:46] <prep> ?
[02:46] <holstein> but i dont have an ipod or anything that needs syncing
[02:46] <prep> error: pkg: error processing clementine_0.5~rc1_i368.deb (--install):  cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing:  clementine_0.5~rc1_i368.deb
[02:47] <holstein> hmm
[02:47] <holstein> are you sure you got the path right?
[02:47] <holstein> /home/you/wherever/whatever.deb
[02:48] <prep> added the PPA, yes, I'm a bad boy. Just tire kicking
[02:48] <holstein> prep: go for it
[02:48] <holstein> thats how you learn
[02:48] <prep> ah
[02:49] <prep> Like I said, picking up books to learn more on what, why and where
[02:49] <holstein> i got a great book
[02:49] <prep> Google?
[02:49] <holstein> http://books.google.com/books?id=wOGUuoHUyAEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=how+linux+works&source=bl&ots=OEowrCf0ZU&sig=16NvyrBPEqS0OJinOVbPv-mDGaI&hl=en&ei=n-uGTNmEI8Gblgfbkd2IDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
[02:49] <holstein> hmmm
[02:49] <holstein> sorry about that giant link
[02:50] <prep> no worries, its a book
[02:51] <prep> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/me-davidsansome/clementine-dev/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/me-davidsansome/clementine-dev/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:51] <holstein> that doesnt look good
[02:51] <holstein> maybe its down
[02:51] <holstein> or moved
[02:51] <holstein> could just be down
[02:51] <prep> I followed the OMGUbuntu instructions
[02:52] <holstein> theres your problem ;)
[02:52] <holstein> nah, it really could just be down for a bit
[02:53] <prep> So the dpkg way, w?here/how to I point it to the .deb
[02:53] <holstein> you gotta make sure the path is right
[02:53] <holstein> sometimes
[02:54] <prep> it's in my downloads folder
[02:54] <holstein> i just drag the .deb over in the gnome terminal
[02:54] <holstein> it'll input the path
[02:54] <holstein> thats a good way to learn some command line foo
[02:55] <prep> I also just used gdebi to install, got this error : Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libimobiledevice0 (>= 0.9.7)
[02:55] <persia> Could be that the OMBUbuntu instructions assume folks are running lucid...
[02:56] <holstein> yeah, i bet thats the deal
[03:01] <prep> I posted on OMG, maybe they'll know. Ok, GF wants my attention, be on tomorrow. Thanks for the time/space and link. Easy killa
[03:01] <holstein> prep: laterx
[06:53] <codewizzrd> Sir Hakk Alot
[06:54] <codewizzrd> wht kind of name is that
[06:54] <codewizzrd> kidding
[08:37] <bartje> hi
[08:37] <holstein> bartje: hello
[08:40] <bartje> got some lilypond trouble here, and I don't get it anymore....
[08:43] <holstein> bartje: im going to refer you too #opensourcemusicians
[08:43]  * holstein is heading to bed
[08:43] <bartje> ah, ok :-)
[08:43] <holstein> and ive only dabbled with lilypond a bit
[08:43] <holstein> i know it looks great though
[08:43]  * holstein usually just grabs a pen and paper :)
[08:44] <holstein> GN
[08:44] <bartje> good night
[17:39] <prep__> I cannot get Jack to run after Maverick update: 11:37:35.692 Patchbay deactivated. 11:37:35.796 Statistics reset. Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started 11:37:35.958 ALSA connection graph change. 11:37:37.046 ALSA connection change. 11:37:37.066 ALSA connection graph change. 11:37:40.710 Startup script... 11:37:40.710 artsshe
[17:42] <holstein> w0w
[17:42] <holstein> yeah, you got JACK2 in there i think
[17:42]  * holstein is burning some live CD's today to make sure JACK2 works
[17:42] <holstein> with my hardware
[17:43] <holstein> prep__: you could try running
[17:43] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[17:43] <holstein> see if the permissions got funky from the update
[17:44] <prep__> same
[17:44] <prep__> error
[17:44] <holstein> well, we can assume its not permissions then
[17:45] <holstein> prep__: didnt you need to install some packages to get your card working?
[17:45] <prep__> can't remember
[17:45] <holstein> that could be the case
[17:45] <holstein> something you need to reinstall
[17:45] <prep__> how do I check?
[17:45] <holstein> after the update
[17:46] <holstein> OR something that is just not built in to maverick
[17:46] <holstein> or the newer kernel
[17:46] <holstein> prep__: HEY
[17:46] <holstein> how about that
[17:46] <holstein> what kernel are you running now?
[17:46] <holstein> do you have that 'realtime' check box checked?
[17:46] <holstein> you could try un-checking it
[17:47] <holstein> maybe you had -rt and now have -generic
[17:47] <prep__> not checked
[17:47] <prep__> how do I check which Kernel?
[17:47] <holstein> uname -a
[17:48] <holstein> its a good way to learn
[17:48] <holstein> updating to the beta
[17:48] <prep__> 2.6.35-20-generic
[17:48] <holstein> but these are things you should think about in the future
[17:48] <holstein> you can download a daily image
[17:48] <holstein> and get the current maverick live
[17:49] <holstein> and see if you hardware is supported
[17:49] <prep__> what exactly is that?
[17:49] <holstein> before getting out there in the deep
[17:52] <prep__> so how do I fix this?
[17:54] <holstein> who knows
[17:54] <holstein> maverick is quite a way from being done
[17:54] <holstein> it might be fixed on its own
[17:54] <holstein> with a kernel update
[17:55] <prep__> well crap.
[17:55] <holstein> prep__: you should look and see if any of your old kernels are still there
[17:55] <holstein> that would rule that out
[17:55] <prep__> how do I look?
[17:55] <holstein> prep__: yeah, i ran lucid VERY early
[17:55] <holstein> from alpha on
[17:55] <holstein> there was lots of days of not booting
[17:55] <holstein> broken packages
[17:55] <holstein> whatever
[17:55] <holstein> but i went in knowing that
[17:56] <holstein> and i wanted to try and help report bugs
[17:56] <holstein> i feel like i might do it again in a few years
[17:56] <holstein> but not something id want to do every release
[17:56] <prep__> where can I see a list of kernels?
[17:57] <holstein> i would go where ever your comfortalbe
[17:57] <holstein> synaptic
[17:57] <holstein> or software center
[17:57] <holstein> and search linux
[18:00] <prep__> ok, what file am I searching for in the list?
[18:01] <holstein> kernels
[18:01] <holstein> linux-generic-whatever
[18:01] <holstein> or linux-rt-something
[18:03] <prep__> I see a 2.6.35.20.21
[18:04] <holstein> yeah, thats probably the new one
[18:05] <holstein> you can look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:05] <holstein> that has a list of kernels
[18:06] <prep__> wich folder does that start in?
[18:06] <holstein> hmmm
[18:06]  * holstein doesnt no how to answer that ;)
[18:06] <holstein> in terminal
[18:07] <holstein> gedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:07] <holstein> and you can look at that file in read-only mode
[18:10] <prep__> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### menuentry 'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.35-20-generic' --class ubuntu --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os { 	recordfail 	insmod part_msdos 	insmod ext2 	set root='(hd0,msdos1)' 	search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 031caeac-7dab-4cf7-a4f0-c0c0259b57d6 	linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-20-generic root=UUID=031caeac-7dab-4cf7-a4f0-c0c0259b57d6 ro   quiet splash 	initrd	/boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-20-generic }
[18:11] <holstein> yeah
[18:11] <holstein> thats probably one of them
[18:11] <holstein> if thats the only one
[18:12] <holstein> then you cant boot a different kernel to test
[18:12] <holstein> you can try installing linux-rt
[18:12] <holstein> or linux-lowlatency
[18:12] <holstein> and booting that
[18:12] <holstein> but i dont think thats the issue
[18:12] <holstein> so i probably wouldnt waste too much time on it
[18:14] <prep__> think anyone on the Ubuntu IRC may be up to date?
[18:15] <holstein> maybe #ubuntu+1
[18:17] <prep__> Ok,  I'll try them. Next time, with the new machine, I'll streamline the install.
[19:07] <holstein> prep: you get it sorted out?
[19:07] <prep> I deleted my launcher/applet panel by mistake, how do I get it back?
[19:08] <holstein> hmm
[19:08] <holstein> you got no panels now?
[19:09] <holstein> if you still have a panel
[19:09] <holstein> you can right click on it and add whatever back to it
[19:09] <holstein> if not...
[19:09] <prep> no panels
[19:09] <prep> I need to buy that Ubuntu book stat
[19:09] <holstein> do alt-F2
[19:10] <holstein> and run...
[19:11] <prep_> alt 2 and run what?
[19:13] <prep_> I dropped net, didn't get that last bit
[19:13] <holstein> prep: actually
[19:13] <holstein> try https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+question/7759
[19:15] <prep_> not working
[19:15] <holstein> did you try https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+question/7759 ??
[19:15] <holstein> the first post?
[19:15] <prep_> yep, followed, error
[19:15] <holstein> hmm
[19:16] <holstein> well, what error?
[19:16] <holstein> after alt+F2
[19:16] <holstein> go to gnome-terminal
[19:18] <holstein> then put in those commands
[19:18] <holstein> gnome-session-remove gnome-panel
[19:18] <holstein> so on
[19:20] <prep_> moved to the top, all messed up
[19:20] <prep_> commands aren't working
[19:21] <holstein> but you got a panel?
[19:22] <prep_> yes, the one on bottom is now on top, mated with the launchers/applets
[19:22] <prep_> all screwy
[19:22] <holstein> OK
[19:22] <holstein> so thats progress
[19:23] <holstein> you probably need to reapply the themeing
[19:23] <holstein> and now, you can right click and move things around
[19:23] <holstein> BUT i would just log out and back in
[19:23] <holstein> first
[19:27] <prep> still wacked out
[19:27] <prep> changed theme, same
[19:28] <holstein> prep: im not sure i understand what is 'wacked out'
[19:28] <holstein> but try adding another panel
[19:28] <prep> Nothing will change, or return back to it's place
[19:29] <holstein> you can also try deleting you .gnome2 dir
[19:29]  * holstein wonders if your running gnome panel as root somehow
[19:30] <prep> I can do that, but the "open windows" like Firefox what not, are ll up top in the panel area, when they use to be in the bottom with the Trash, Workspaces etc
[19:31] <prep> where
[19:31] <prep> is the .gnome2 dir located?
[19:34] <prep> that first script will not run, says command not foun
[19:35] <holstein> prep: run them seperately
[19:35] <holstein> and see which one
[19:35] <prep> The second did
[19:35] <prep> thats how I got to here, but how to fix the way it was?
[19:35] <holstein> AH
[19:35] <holstein> gnome-session-remove
[19:35] <holstein> that one?
[19:36] <prep> yes
[19:36] <prep> had panel at end
[19:42] <prep> I can't find that file to delete
[19:44] <holstein> you'll have to sudo remove it
[19:44] <holstein> and it might not work
[19:45] <prep> So it's just broke permanently?
[19:46] <holstein> nah
[19:46] <holstein> i would try that
[19:46] <holstein> removing /home/you/.gnome2
[19:46] <holstein> probably
[19:46] <prep> so sudo then gnome-session-remove-panel?
[19:46] <holstein> i hate to give advice because im not totally sure what the issue is
[19:47] <holstein> i could get you in more trouble
[19:47] <holstein> BUT in theory
[19:47] <holstein> gnome just stores its settings there
[19:47] <holstein> and if you delete it
[19:47] <holstein> gnome will just make a new one next boot
[19:48] <prep> where is removing/home/you/ .gnome2? Not sure I follow
[19:48] <holstein> OK
[19:48] <holstein> in the GUI
[19:48] <holstein> go to ...
[19:48] <holstein> places - home folder
[19:49] <holstein> assuming you still have those options from your panel
[19:49] <prep> there
[19:49] <holstein> when in there
[19:49] <holstein> you can go to view or something up there
[19:49] <holstein> and show hidden files
[19:49] <holstein> OT
[19:49] <holstein> OR**
[19:49] <holstein> ctrl-H
[19:50] <holstein> you should then see all these .whatever dir's
[19:50] <holstein> you'll see one
[19:50] <holstein> .firefox
[19:50] <holstein> or .mozilla
[19:50] <holstein> thats the settings for your firefox browser
[19:50] <holstein> SO
[19:50] <holstein> if you were to delete that dir
[19:50] <holstein> next time firefox starts
[19:50] <holstein> it looks there for settings
[19:50] <holstein> and if there are none
[19:51] <holstein> it will just make a new one
[19:51] <holstein> with defaults
[19:51] <prep> so delete gnome2?
[19:51] <holstein> *in theory*
[19:51] <holstein> prep: well, thats my suggestion
[19:51] <holstein> and im really not sure if that will do anything
[19:51] <holstein> but it seems plausible
[19:51] <prep> deleted, lemme reboot, see what goes, thanks
[19:56] <prep> Well, got red of the top system tray, but now I have no tray at all
[19:57] <holstein> try alt+F2
[19:57] <holstein> gnome-panel
[19:57] <holstein> gnome-panel &
[19:58] <prep> nothing happened
[19:58] <holstein> OK
[19:58] <holstein> so try doing the thing you did before
[19:58] <holstein> alt+F2
[19:58] <holstein> gnome-terminal
[19:58] <holstein> then..
[19:59] <holstein> gnome-session-remove gnome-panel
[19:59] <holstein> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[19:59] <holstein> gnome-panel &
[19:59] <prep_> crap minimized window, couldn't get our convo back up, geesh
[20:00] <prep_> and you were saying
[20:00] <holstein> 14:58 < holstein> alt+F2
[20:00] <holstein> 14:58 < holstein> gnome-terminal
[20:00] <holstein> 14:58 < holstein> gnome-session-remove gnome-panel
[20:00] <holstein> 14:59 < holstein> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[20:00] <holstein> 14:59 < holstein> gnome-panel &
[20:00] <holstein> like before
[20:01] <prep_> no such file or directory
[20:01] <holstein> when?
[20:01] <holstein> after?
[20:01] <prep_> the first command
[20:01] <holstein> it could have been changed
[20:02] <holstein> i would go to #ubuntu+1
[20:02] <holstein> or #ubuntu-beginners
[20:02] <holstein> and say, 'i deleted my panel.. help'
[20:02] <holstein> or install LXDE :)
[20:03] <prep_> One last thing, I cannot get my drives to mount to desktop anymore. Suggestions? I think I will backup, download Maverick Live, reinstall without all the old crapp
[20:03] <holstein> prep_: maybe add yourself to the disk group ??
[20:03] <holstein> sudo adduser prep_ disk
[20:03] <holstein> of course
[20:04] <holstein> there is a setting that doesnt show them mounted on the desktop
[20:04] <holstein> that could be borked too
[20:04] <holstein> are they not mounting at all? or just not on the desktop?
[20:05] <prep_> not to desktop
[20:05] <holstein> yeah, theres a gconf setting for that
[20:05] <holstein> i forget where right off the top of my head
[20:05] <holstein> that might get all sorted out when you get your panels back though
[20:08] <prep> downloaded Docky, cool
[20:09] <prep> Ok, so I have a dock,
[20:09] <prep> The hard drive stopped mounting to desktop before the update. So that was a prior issue
[20:14] <holstein> http://people.gnome.org/~bmsmith/gconf-docs/C/nautilus.html
[20:14] <holstein> near the bottom
[20:15] <holstein> /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible
[20:15] <holstein> i would check that setting
[20:15] <holstein> in gconf-editor
[20:15] <prep> ok, place to start
[20:15] <holstein> ive hidden them before
[20:20] <prep> Using Ubuntu Tweak right now as well
[20:21] <holstein> AH
[20:21] <holstein> yeah thats a nice tool
[20:21] <holstein> the PPA purge didnt work quite as i expected though
[20:21] <holstein> i still have a few packages hanging around from the PPA i purged
[20:22] <prep> My goal with the new HP, is Maverick on 10/10/10, EnergyEXT, very lean machine, I've learned whats crap on this machine
[20:22] <holstein> cool
[20:22] <holstein> im going to hang back at lucid on my production box
[20:23] <prep> Mines just play for now, real life eats creativity
[20:23] <holstein> :)
[20:23] <prep> Ubuntu has come a long way since I tried it back in 06/07
[20:24] <holstein> hell, its come along way since 9.10
[20:24] <prep> whats clean Kernels do in Tweak?
[20:24] <holstein> just removes the old kernels
[20:24] <holstein> when you take updates
[20:24] <holstein> and get 6 or 8 kernels hanging around that you dont need
[20:25] <holstein> i would keep more than one though
[20:25] <holstein> i got an update the other day that didnt work right for some reason
[20:25] <holstein> and had to reinstall the generic kernel on my mininote
[20:25] <prep> Hm
[20:26] <prep> I want to build a box, shit Tweak closed'
[20:26] <prep> nevermind, it didnt
[20:27] <holstein> alright, its food-O'clock
[20:27] <holstein> bbl
[20:27] <prep> My old OSX backup drive, the one mounted, will not me delete off of it, and it use to mount to desktop, then just stopped, aight
[22:00] <dtcrshr> hello, iv installed cinelerra, but i got characters on the menu all messed up
[22:01] <dtcrshr> i uset locales pt-br
[22:04] <holstein> hey dtcrshr
[22:04] <holstein> you got the locale set incorrectly?
[22:07] <dtcrshr> holstein, only in cinelerra
[22:08] <dtcrshr> all other apps displays special characters just fine
[22:08] <holstein> yeah...
[22:08] <holstein> let me look for a minute
[22:09] <holstein> dtcrshr: i would try over in #cinelerra
[22:10] <dtcrshr> holstein, ill do that, thanks anyway
[22:11] <holstein> yeah, im not finding anything super obvious