[00:04] ah it is already postet [00:04] in bugreport [00:12] MaxDamage: nv vs. Mesa is like bread and marmalade: two different things. [00:13] It is? [00:13] Still, the "nv" driver worked perfectly before. [00:13] MaxDamage: If you're using the nv driver, you would also be using Mesa for software 3D. [00:13] DarthFrog; Right... [00:14] I don't have any hardware 3D, though. [00:14] Or do you mean "vesa"? Video Electronics Standards Association. [00:14] vesa, maybe [00:14] Yeah [00:14] MaxDamage: You have a Nvidia card without 3D? [00:14] GeForce 8600 GTS [00:15] No 3D is available in glxgears [00:15] Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". [00:15] Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual [00:15] Well, it's not the card's fault! :-) [00:15] I know it's not. [00:15] That card certainly does have hardware 3D. [00:15] I'm trying to manually install the nVidia drivers now, you messaged me 3 seconds before I was about to stop kdm [00:16] Runs Modern Warfare 2 at 100 FPS average ;p [00:16] So it definitely does. [00:16] The nv drivers are 2D only. [00:16] They are? [00:16] The proprietary nvidia drivers are the ones you want. [00:16] Okay, stopping kdm and installing it the manual way. [00:17] I do need to run nvidia-xconfig after I install right? [00:17] Shouldn't need to. [00:17] Alright, then. [00:17] Back in 5, hopefully. [00:17] :) [00:21] analex: ugh sorry I keep getting called away [00:21] analex: Did you get the upgrade instructions? [00:22] yup... [00:22] Okay, that was a disaster. [00:22] it seems as thought I have a version of Kubuntu that has been terminated... [00:22] 7.04 [00:22] can't get any updates or anything... [00:22] DarthFrog: It said something about a pre-install script failing, but I told it to continue anyway. [00:22] Any idea what that is caused by? [00:23] analex: You can't. but you can upgrade [00:23] how?? [00:23] MaxDamage: Not enough info, sorry. [00:23] I'm not gettin' thoses instructions anywhere online.. [00:23] analex: Very honestly it would be faster and 100X less headache to install a new version [00:23] DarthFrog: I'll check the log file that Xorg left behind. ;p [00:23] MaxDamage: Is glxgears working? [00:23] analex: do you have your home dir different from your / [00:24] that's why I'm even trying to get a usb-installer program, because I have no blank cds with me now, and I need to install it like now... [00:24] yes I do.... [00:25] analex: Ah ok and you need one on Kubuntu 7.04? [00:25] or do you have a windows machine nearby? [00:25] DarthFrog: Graphics are in safe mode at the moment, so I doubt it. ;) [00:25] Nope, doesn't work [00:25] no I don't, the windows laptop is in use by my housemate in another room... [00:26] MaxDamage: The Xorg.0.log file will tell you which driver Xorg is using. [00:26] they can't give you 10 minutes of time? [00:26] lemmie check.... brb [00:27] DarthFrog: Seems like I'm using vesa currently. [00:29] got the windows laptop.... @Daskreech [00:29] analex: ok [00:30] i [00:30] analex: Do you have an iso for the new Kubuntu? [00:30] hi from turkey [00:30] gettin' it as we speak.. [00:31] analex: ok You'll need the live usb creator [00:32] on which system?? windows or tis one??? [00:32] analex: hold finding a windows one [00:32] ok.... [00:33] analex: https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ [00:33] Get that and then you can point it at the Ubuntu ISO [00:33] i am using mint 9.i have a problem with full-videos [00:33] analex: Do you have lots of data on your / partition? [00:34] umm.... nope.. just installed the kubuntu today... [00:34] analex: Ok you should be ok then [00:35] türk kullanıcı var mı? [00:35] install the Live USB creator on Windows [00:35] CLiick browse and point it at the Kubuntu ISO [00:35] the USB stick has to be formatted (or at least have 1GB free) and then click create USB [00:36] You can boot from it and install [00:36] ohhh, so I should install it on the windows system?? [00:36] analex: heading on the road should be back in an hour [00:36] analex: install what? [00:37] the usb-creator [00:37] yes [00:38] cool... [00:39] copy the .iso to windows [00:39] make sure you have space on the USB stick and click on brwse in the USBcreator program and choose the kubuntu ISO [00:40] click Create USB and let it do it's thing [00:40] ( you can give it back to your roomate at that point just get them to call y ou when it's done) [00:40] boot up this computer with the USB and install [00:41] analex: Have to catch somewhere I'm gone see you in about an hour [00:41] ok, cool... [00:42] hopefully by then, I'm running the newer version... [00:44] DarthFrog: The pre-install script seems to deliberately fail in nVidia's installer. [00:45] http://pastebin.com/kUiCPyQJ [00:45] Back in a few. === Freejack is now known as Freejack` === root is now known as Guest68104 [01:15] Why are Tcl/Tk apps changing their DPI depending on the resolution?? [01:15] At 1920x1200 the font is so huge it's unusable! [01:32] hmm [01:32] the "resolution" reported by xdpyinfo changes depending on the screen resolution [01:45] I think it's a bug in VMware tools :/ [01:51] Hello [01:52] hi all === rackIT is now known as rackIT_AFK [01:56] I just got up and running with Kubuntu the other day, one thing I can [01:56] hey guys, what command to view what daemons run on my computer ? [01:57] can't figure out is why whenever I fresh boot or come out of sleep my NTFS partitions prompt me for a password? Any way to always have my partitions online without asking for a password? [01:57] KdeSudo is the name of the prompt asking for the password === d is now known as Guest20537 === Guest20537 is now known as leinad83 [02:07] why do I getasked for a password on a usb fat32 external hdd? [02:07] kde 4.5 [02:21] where are the colors saved to when i customize and save? === |GuS| is now known as [GuS] [02:29] anyone know why I am asked for password for an external fat32 hdd, I am using kde 4.5, it is an esata connection [02:34] mount needs root permission [02:35] cjae: though pmount should handle that [02:36] if i want to move my color scheme from one computer to another, what is the easiest way? [02:36] why does mount need permission? [02:42] im not sure if system is showing the correct amount of empty space [02:51] Anyone know of up-to-date, working instructions on installing nvidia driver? [02:55] Neurotrophin: propritary [02:55] !jockey [02:55] no bots? [02:56] cjae: Yes, proprietary... The ones so I can actually get usable 3D exceleration.. [02:56] The documentation I found on the web didn't work.. [02:56] for multiple reasons.. looks out of date.. [02:57] kubuntu's documentation links don't appear to have any instructions.... reverts over to ubuntu anyway.. Ubuntu has a gui tool for it.. [02:58] I've done this before so many times.. but.. it changes over time, I guess.. and I don't remember exactly, anyway.. [02:58] elijah: you mounted your drive as root perhaps? [03:01] Ok... No documentation on installing nvidia drivers.. no way to search mailing list archives.. no one providing any help on IRC.. [03:01] Anywhere else to turn? [03:02] If I install gnome, will that provide the Ubuntu method of installing nvidia drivers? [03:02] Neurotrophin: no need for gnome [03:02] what version of kubuntu [03:02] The latest.. [03:03] is it possible to install KDE in ubuntu 10.04 without the hundreds of ":D i have a K in my name but you might not want to see me while you run gnome but i'm here!" programs that are installed with installing kubuntu-desktop [03:05] CkhiKuzad: You can pick the parts you want.. kde base... and go from there... Just don't install the meta package for everything. [03:05] Neurotrophin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QByStWMuIW4 [03:05] Neurotrophin: that app is on the menu somewhere under "hardware drivers" [03:06] easy peasy [03:06] ok.. installing flash now so I can see that.. [03:06] Neurotrophin, so it's recommended if i do not want the hundreds of megabytes of programs i already have, to install kde-base? [03:07] it's not going to eliminate anything you already installed. [03:07] Neurotrophin: lol [03:08] Neurotrophin, i havent installed anything yet. [03:08] but installing kde-base will allow me to run the WM without the billion apps? [03:08] well not WM, more like DE [03:08] CkhiKuzad: then you can just pick out the minimal kde packages you want.. to some level of granularity.. it isn't quite down to the specific application level for everything.. [03:09] cjae: that video shows the gnome way.. I have never been able to find that app under kubuntu.. [03:09] CkhiKuzad: You can. In KDE at least you can tell the menu to ignore all GNome programs (Or KDE programs) I suppose you can tell the menu in Gnome to do the same [03:09] hello everyone [03:09] you can't Daskreech. i've tried and failed on the last 3 releases of ubuntu [03:10] Neurotrophin: but if your on the newest version I think it might be broken still, but you should be using nouveau which should do all your rendering needs unless you have more than one screen and that might be fixed now too [03:10] can the delay in drag and drop be improved [03:10] cjae: nouveau is severely substandard unless just for 2D [03:10] Neurotrophin that app is on kubuntu too as I am looking at it right now [03:10] cjae: how do i get to it? [03:11] Neurotrophin, this isnt exactly what i am asking. for example, the package Kfoo would be installed by default with Kubuntu-desktop, and Kbar would too. I dont want either of them, would installing kde-base allow me to not install Kfoo and Kbar? [03:11] Neurotrophin: what, it worked for compiz [03:12] CkhiKuzad: it's the base.. you can then add what specific other kde apps you want.. some of those packages have a number of things in them and other have only one app.. it all depends. [03:12] btw itss called jockey [03:13] cjae: it might work for compiz... it won't work (usably) for Glest, for example.. [03:13] CkhiKuzad: Ow. You can't install an alternate menu that lets you do what you want? [03:13] dont really trust alternate menus, Daskreech [03:13] they usually suck. [03:13] cjae: nouveau driver gives very minimal 3D exceleration support [03:13] Neurotrophin: ahh [03:14] Neurotrophin, what i have been asking this entire time is, and this is all i want to know. If i were to install kde-base, would the packages that come with kubuntu-desktop be installed? thats all i want to know. [03:14] CkhiKuzad: No [03:14] CkhiKuzad: no.. it installs the underlying kde-base... that's all [03:15] cjae: ok.. there's a jockey-kde package.. not sure what the executable is... but it's already installed (somewhere) [03:15] Neurotrophin, so no kopete, no Okular, none of those packages. [03:16] CkhiKuzad: no.. just the base... what it says it is... that's it [03:16] alright. thank you [03:16] (last I checked.. I highly doubt that has changed) [03:16] Your support is great when someone is asking an incredibly detailed question, but it does make people confused when they just want a yes or no answer for the question they asked. [03:17] anyway, installing kde-base now. thanks for your help Neurotrophin, Daskreech, [03:17] ok [03:17] Not sure what he expects to get from that [03:18] cjae: jockey-kde ... I will never forget that, now.. It's downloading the kde driver.. I hope it works. [03:19] cjae: I am having the same issue with NTFS drives [03:20] Daskreech: How would I see if I mounted my drive as root? [03:27] Hey, can I set up a USB digital microscope in Kubuntu? [03:28] i think my kubuntu is reading me incorrect disk space info [03:28] or is reading [03:28] whatever [03:33] Or do I have to use Windows?? [03:33] yes [03:33] Booooooo [03:34] hahah [03:35] Well Windows sux. C ya ltr [03:37] anyone know offhand how to export my color scheme? === kornben is now known as tr1pl3x [03:41] i'm very disappoint [03:42] Kubuntu speak via Twitter, with Gwuibber [03:42] ops, i'm sorry, i say gwibber [03:43] nobody knows where the colors widget saves it's schemes huh? [03:43] not a square to spare? [03:45] illunatic: hMM ? [03:45] illunatic: tried in ~/.kde ? [03:46] ah you rock [03:46] i should have known [03:46] .kde/share/apps/color-schemes === liveuser is now known as DaskreecH [03:47] illunatic: I am new [03:47] elijah: welcome ^_^ [03:48] how's it goin so far? [03:48] Pretty awesome! [03:48] good deal [03:48] what OS did you use before? [03:48] Except it always asks me for passwords for my NTFS volumes [03:48] elijah: How do you mount your drives? [03:49] are they mounted at boot? [03:49] DaskreecH: Yeah, mounted at boot [03:49] it asks for sudo pass? [03:49] illunatic: Yeah, "KdeSudo " asks [03:49] and it is the sudo pass [03:49] Everytime I come out of sleep it asks too [03:52] I can kinda understand out of sleep [03:53] I don't get at boot. is your drive in the fstab? [03:53] yeah you can change that in preferences somewhere i believe [03:53] I have it set to not use a password on resume, for normal login [03:53] But that is diff. right? [03:53] I don't know what Fstab is? [03:53] !fstab [03:53] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [03:55] The partitions aren't listed in the fstab file [03:56] So, it says " If a device/partition is not listed in fstab ONLY ROOT may mount the device/partition." [03:56] try stick them in there :) [03:56] elijah: but it will be mounted automagically by root everytime the kernel gets woken [03:56] DaskreecH: Is there a way I can see what they are mounted as in dolphin? [03:57] I am just wondering if everyone has this problem [03:57] it would seem that they do [03:57] afaik the directory should be /media/whatever [03:57] k, well this seems to be on the right track [03:58] oh, I thought it had to be dev/sda5 etc [03:58] did you boot with the device connected? [03:58] elijah: type mount in the terminal [03:58] you can press F4 in Dolphin to get a terminal [03:59] Yeah, I only have one hdd in this laptop, two NTFS partitions from my XP and one ext4 for Kubuntu + a swap partition [03:59] elijah: /media/disk and /dev/sda5 are two ways of saying the same thing [03:59] One maps to the other [04:00] Weird, fstab only has the partition paths in comments [04:00] UUID=3457y7....... [04:00] With the only exception being that there can only be one (at a time) /media/disk whereas /dev/sdb5 can be reused many times [04:00] i love that you can mount other partitions. that is awesome. [04:00] Ok, this seems that it is going to take some learning [04:00] elijah: yes Ubuntu uses UUID [04:01] !uuid [04:01] To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID) [04:01] Thanks for getting me on the right track [04:01] You can read about it there [04:01] I will reattempt tomorrow [04:01] sleepy time in a few minutes [04:01] elijah: I can give a quick explanation if you want [04:01] DaskreecH: Sure! [04:01] i think you can just sudo mount /dev/sdb5 [04:01] the place /dev holds all your devices [04:02] but there is something else you have to do to automount at boot [04:02] the directory /dev (and /proc) isn't real [04:02] It's made up when the computer starts and sees what devices are there [04:02] Hi, did anyone try kde 4.5.1 ? [04:03] but anything that you can touch in the real world like a keyboard or monitor or drive exist there [04:03] last time I tried 4.5 ended up with reinstall kubuntu [04:03] hey, any idea about new KDE 4.5.1 on Kubuntu 10.04 [04:03] elijah: The only problem being that if your computer changes then what was /dev/sdb1 last week could be /dev/sdc1 next week [04:04] However each device has a Unique ID (UUID) that can be used to pick it out regardless of where it is in /dev [04:04] k [04:05] So if you computer isn't plugging drives on and off you can use /dev/sdb5 [04:05] how do my lockes/passworded drives get mounted if they are not in fstab? [04:05] if you want to make sure that that drive always goes to /where/you/want on boot then you can use the UUID [04:06] elijah: Not sure I would guess they get mounted by Dolphin cause of your KDE session [04:07] DaskreecH: K [04:07] Could be a few things. If you have something that you were working on that 's tied to that drive it would try and call it back when KDE starts since it remembers the last thing you were doing === greyson is now known as Kazenin [04:07] fqhuy: I am running 4.5.1 [04:08] DaskreecH: That would be logical [04:08] elijah: did you see the "blocked updates" in your package list [04:09] fqhuy: Didn't notice that, all updates worked for me [04:09] hmm [04:09] its strange [04:10] elijah: are you using backports update ? [04:11] fqhuy: I am just using Kubuntu 10.10 beta, it came with it, I am a noob [04:11] Hey all. Does anyone know how to manage color profiles (icc profiles in Windows) in KDE 4.5? [04:12] DaskreecH: Do you know where advanced user settings is? [04:12] http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/444061-how-get-dolphin-mounting-drives.html [04:13] elijah: Hmmm ? [04:13] or auto mount settings? [04:13] elijah: you can alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate /etc/fstab [04:14] At least I always find it faster to just copy the line and change it to my drive [04:14] I will try that [04:15] elijah: in 4.5 there is no advanced anymore [04:15] it's all one page [04:16] DaskreecH: Where is it? [04:17] I did "sudo blkid" [04:17] and I have paths and UUIDs now. IS it safe to use the UUID? [04:17] elijah: where is? [04:17] elijah: yes of course :) [04:19] hmm, ntfs or ntfs-3g are options [04:19] I didn't know ntfs-3g was a filesystem, actually [04:21] it's .. umm a fake filesystem? [04:22] Its just a driver for the filesystem [04:23] DaskreecH: Yeah, a slow one too! [04:24] elijah: Can't be too careful :) [04:24] DaskreecH: So, won't it handle it the same either way if it is ntfs-3g vs ntfs? Isn't that how it r/w ntfs? [04:24] Or is there another driver besides ntfs-3g? [04:24] Btw, the paid driver from the same company on mac is uberfast === Diziara is now known as HuntingKitten [04:24] no there is probably 4 of them [04:24] I wish I could buy it for Linux :) [04:25] You want either ntfs or ntfs-3g [04:25] if you want to treat it like a normal drive ntfs-3g is the way to go [04:25] k [04:26] has more features without screwing up the drive [04:28] cool, I configured it [04:28] saved it [04:29] Thanks for your help [04:29] Gonna restart , test and go sleepy [04:29] Cheers === sea is now known as sea4ever [04:43] Hi, I'm not sure what happened but now I no longer get a login prompt at startup. [04:44] In fact I get nothing at all, after the verbose boot messages it switches to a better resolution (all black) with a blinking cursor and just hangs there. [04:44] Any way I could figure out what it's doing? [04:53] sea4ever: looked in your xsession errors log? [04:55] It doesn't get as far as running X, DaskreecH [04:55] At the part where the services start, like (checking battery state...OK, starting nfs daemon...OK), that's where it stopped [04:55] sea4ever: ah umm do you get a terminal? [04:56] No actually! The services starting stopped showing up, it's hidden to me for an unknown reason [04:56] No terminal on any VT, ctrl+alt+ doesn't work on any f-key [04:56] sea4ever: alt+ctrl+bkspc doesn't work? [04:57] Hm..uh I could try that [04:57] or alt+Prntscren+k ? [04:57] Lemme try both, hold on [04:58] apparently it changed the loglevel or something. [04:59] DaskreecH: Any idea why the services starting don't show up? I notice that it doesn't switch to VT7/8 when booting up, it stays on VT1 [05:01] sea4ever: what did you install before you booted down last? [05:04] uhh..nothing actually. If I remember right I turned on the laptop to check the schedule for my next class and to copy off my homework [05:04] and then I turned it off again [05:09] I'm gonna try something else here [05:09] sea4ever: didn't install a new kernel? [05:09] nah..even if I did I tried the older ones from grub [05:10] same result for all === HuntingKitten is now known as DeathKitten [05:10] Ah, I got it working [05:11] bleah that's a .. well upstart issue I'd guess [05:11] Ok, here's what was wrong: Somehow it's configured *not* to show startup messages [05:11] trired rescue ? [05:11] And you were just being impatient? [05:11] the root filesystem was corrupted (probably because I shut it down in a hurry because I was late) [05:12] and finally, since I couldn't see the boot messages I never saw the 'File system is corrupted, Fix?(y/n)' message [05:12] So I just fixed that from liveCD and it starts up just fine. [06:33] i installed some screensavers. how do i get them to show up in the screensaver settings? [06:36] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KGLWaterSaver?content=15329 [06:36] this one [06:36] might have to install xscreensaver [06:39] maybe [06:39] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=971046 [06:39] gonna give that a shot [06:39] otherwise it might jsut be a mystery to solve [06:43] Hooray mysteries [06:57] DaskreecH: i found an install txt that addresses it http://paste.ubuntu.com/490748/ [06:58] just need to find my x sessions startup script now [06:58] whereis xinit might help [06:58] yatta! [07:03] i don't understand [07:03] it's getting far too complicated for a screensaver [07:03] why not "get screensaver" like wallpaper and splash? [07:12] I don't know I wanted to take up maintership of kde-wallpapers to simplify it [07:53] i would like to disable unwanted process, can anyone help me [08:36] * illunatic sighs [08:37] why so hard to get the mic working? [08:37] does anyone know whic directories relate to the mic? [08:37] i have it working on another installation [08:37] don't know what i did tho as nothing i recall doing is working yet [08:38] sobcyzk: do you mean that a little part of the panel can be seen at the edge of the screen? [08:38] * illunatic thinks maybe kubuntu isn't the most business reliable OS [08:41] i'm fucked [08:41] illunatic: what seems to be the problem? [08:41] oops [08:41] heh [08:41] well i have my mic workin on one installation on this machine [08:42] i need it working on this one as well, but despite my config so far, no luck [08:42] was wondering if i can just copy the config over from the other one? [08:42] illunatic: what are the different installations? [08:43] 2 paritions of kubuntu 10.04 [08:44] but the working mic partition is only 10Gb and i need it on the larger partition as well [08:44] Wait [08:44] does tham mean [08:45] that you have two KUbuntu 10.04 instances installed on two partitions [08:45] ? [08:45] STAC 92xx chipset, [08:45] yes [08:46] Did You Try The KMix [08:46] ? [08:47] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1357412&postcount=23 [08:47] tried everything here [08:47] ok i'll see it [08:48] last time it was a matter of editing /var/lib/alsa/asound.state so that capture switch values were true [08:48] BTW.. Why'd YOu Have Two KUbuntu 10.04 partitions? :-) [08:49] the 10GB one was to try it out for a while without removing windows [08:50] now i've installed over the old windows partition, but kept the 10GB one since it still works and everything is configured on that to work at least [08:50] Did YOu try that /var/ thingy? [08:50] yeah and the capture options show up in both kmix and alsamixer [08:51] on both the instances? [08:51] both of them are set like that, yes [08:52] I Could Be A Clash Or Something [08:52] http://illunatic.greenpirate.org/mic-doesnt-work-on-kubuntu-10-04-inspiron-1501-fix/ [08:53] I'm Stumped As Well [08:53] this is what i did before [08:53]