[00:06] <Awsoonn> Hi all, when I update via cli, it says there are some packages held back. Why is that?
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Not all the dependencies are ready at the same time.
[00:08] <charlie-tca> It will wait so things don't break
[00:09] <Awsoonn> charlie-tca: you are always a fountian of knowledge, thanks!
[00:09] <charlie-tca> It holds them in the gui, too
[00:10] <Awsoonn> Ok, at some point I installed the nvidia drivers on my system from the nvidia site. Is there a way to purge them from my system?
[00:12]  * charlie-tca don't know that one
[00:28] <Viper550> so I heard you removed the repository manager?
[00:29] <yofel> software sources? removed, no. You can access it from the software center, no need to have 2 entries for it
[00:30] <yofel> Awsoonn: run the nvidia installer again with --remove or so, check the --help output, after that reinstall the mesa packages
[00:30] <Viper550> yofel, its for manual repository addition, right?
[00:30] <yofel> right
[00:31] <Viper550> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/software-sources-disabled-from-ubuntu.html cause someone thinks this is the end of the world
[00:31] <Tsims> Anybody know why Avant Window Navigator won't load a dock on my screen?
[00:32] <Viper550> though he's now realized this
[00:38] <bjsnider> yofel, --uninstall i think
[00:39] <bjsnider> even then the xorg/mesa system is probably pooched
[00:41] <jo-erlend> can someone confirm that sync-ui is not installable on maverick?
[00:42] <Azelphur> jo-erlend: sync-ui : Depends: libedataserver1.2-11 (>= 2.28.3.1) but it is not installable
[00:42] <jo-erlend> right. Because libdataeserver has a major version change?
[00:43] <Azelphur> dunno, just copypasting for you :)
[00:43] <prep> Having issue with Jack on Maverick
[00:48] <Volkodav> This xorg thing is getting to the point the box is not usable
[00:52]  * Volkodav back to no X times terminal life
[00:57] <johnjohn101> have a question regarding compiz fusion and the snow effect in 10.10 beta.
[01:00] <prep> Is there anyone able to assist me in repairing Jack?
[01:18] <okra> trying to get touchscreen working on 10.10
[01:19] <okra> ls /dev/input/by-id : usb-QUANTA_Optical_Touch_Screen-event-if00
[01:20] <okra> evtest receives events when I touch the screen...
[01:21] <okra> so it just seems like X doesn't have it mapped to clicks or anything
[01:22] <okra> weird enough... it shows up in evtest but not in xev
[01:26] <wally> Just installed the ubuntu 10.10 beta and I think it wiped out my windows 7 partition.. Is this a known problem? I selected side by side. Anyway to know for sure if its gone?
[01:29] <wally> anyone
[01:41] <Awsoonn> yofel: thanks --uninstall did the trick and it gave me a hint to why it got screwed up too. :)
[01:42] <bjsnider> Awsoonn, you might want to reinstall every package related to xorg or mesa at this point
[01:42] <bjsnider> event hat might not save you
[01:42] <Awsoonn> What it the best way to do that?
[01:43] <bjsnider> i dunno, go into synaptic and select them based on search parameters and then mark them for reinstallation i suppose
[01:43] <yofel> debsums should be able to find modified/deleted files
[01:43] <bjsnider> the .run files are totally incompatible with ubuntu since lucid and actually cause significant damage to your system
[01:44] <Awsoonn> Debsums?
[01:44] <yofel> !info debsums
[01:45] <Awsoonn> K, that's sweet. :)
[01:45] <Awsoonn> Are virt-consoles disabled now?
[01:47] <yofel> 'debsums -a -s' should be what you want, checks all files and only lists errors
[01:47]  * yofel is off to bed, good night!
[01:48] <jjcm> yofel: later
[01:48] <bjsnider> as far as i know, there's no proof that reinstalling packages broken by the .run installers will fix your system
[01:48] <Awsoonn> yofel: thx a million
[01:51] <Volkodav> what's up with xorg craziness ?
[02:17] <Tsims> How can I change the wallpapers so that each workspace has a separate one?
[02:17] <Azelphur> Tsims there's a compiz plugin to do it, but It's broken for me in maverick, apparently it's an X bug
[02:19] <Tsims> I think it must be broken for mine as well, ive been fooling around with the ccsm menu for a few hours and i cant get it
[02:19] <Azelphur> Tsims what do you mean by can't get it?
[02:21] <Tsims> I've added image files that I want into the desktop cube settings, which i thought should change the various wallpapers, but no suck luck
[02:21] <Tsims> such*
[02:21] <Azelphur> Tsims uhh, you mean you changed the cube caps?
[02:21] <Tsims> yeah i think so
[02:22] <Azelphur> yea, that...changes the cube caps
[02:22] <Azelphur> as in the top and bottom :p
[02:22] <Azelphur> you're after the wallpaper plugin.
[02:22] <Tsims> the wallpaper plugin isnt present in my compiz settings though
[02:22] <Azelphur> I'm not sure if it ships with the default Ubuntu compiz, though
[02:22] <Azelphur> yea, didn't think it did
[02:22] <Azelphur> want me to talk you through installing it? I'm curious to see if it works for you
[02:22] <Tsims> absolutely!
[02:24] <Azelphur> gotta find the link for the script that installs it now >.< lol
[02:24] <Tsims> lol okay
[02:26] <Tsims> any luck?
[02:26] <Azelphur> nope, I guess I'll just send you my copy xD
[02:26] <Tsims> lol
[02:27] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/August%202010/compiz-addons
[02:27] <Azelphur> run script, receive compiz unsupported plugins \o/
[02:27] <johnjohn101> is there any reason why the snow effect won't get enabled?
[02:27] <Tsims> can you walk me through this.. im kind of a noob..
[02:28] <Tsims> i downloaded it and then when i open it it brings the launch application menu to choose an appplication
[02:28] <Azelphur> Tsims open a terminal and type http://pastebin.com/xpqRZGCH
[02:29] <Azelphur> johnjohn101: you probably did the same thing I did, you manually installed snowglobe at lucid, and then upgraded to maverick?
[02:29] <Azelphur> because snowglobe is also unsupported and doesn't ship with compiz
[02:29] <Azelphur> also snow globe works for me :)
[02:30] <johnjohn101> azelphur, it only works when I recomiple from scratch
[02:31] <Azelphur> johnjohn101: I had problems with a few addons after upgrading myself because I compiled them on Lucid, and they wern't compatible with the new compiz
[02:31] <Tsims> alright i did that
[02:31] <Tsims> what now
[02:31] <Tsims> still no wallpaper option
[02:31] <johnjohn101> azelphur, I will check to see if I had compiled in lucid.
[02:31] <Azelphur> Tsims now go system > preferences > appearance > visual effects, select None to stop compiz, and then select what ever it was before to start compiz again.
[02:32] <Azelphur> then you should have wallpaper in there :)
[02:33] <Tsims> still nothing..
[02:34] <Tsims> it should have been under utilities, correct?
[02:34] <johnjohn101> azelphur it's in  ~/.compiz/plugins
[02:34] <Azelphur> Tsims use the filter :p
[02:34] <Azelphur> type wallpaper in it :)
[02:35] <Tsims> "No matches found."
[02:35] <Azelphur> Tsims are you sure you ran the script correctly, it should have done lots of scrolling things and asked you some questions
[02:35] <Tsims> let me try again
[02:35] <Tsims> ill paste the script it came up wtih
[02:35] <Azelphur> on pastebin.com, sure :)
[02:36] <Azelphur> johnjohn101: yea so have you tried rebuilding it?
[02:36] <johnjohn101> i just recompiled and it works now
[02:36] <Azelphur> yay \o/
[02:36] <johnjohn101> so I must have compiled it before
[02:37] <Azelphur> yea, that's what I did too
[02:37] <Tsims> tristan@tristan-laptop:~$ wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/August%202010/compiz-addons
[02:37] <Azelphur> took me like 4 days to figure it out :D
[02:37] <Tsims> --2010-09-08 21:36:31--  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/August%202010/compiz-addons
[02:37] <Tsims> Resolving dl.dropbox.com... 75.101.136.120, 75.101.142.97, 75.101.148.191, ...
[02:37] <Tsims> Connecting to dl.dropbox.com|75.101.136.120|:80... connected.
[02:37] <Tsims> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[02:37] <Tsims> Length: 9898 (9.7K) [application/octet-stream]
[02:37] <Tsims> Saving to: `compiz-addons.2'
[02:37] <Tsims> 100%[[02:37] <Tsims> 2010-09-08 21:36:33 (42.7 KB/s) - `compiz-addons.2' saved [9898/9898]
[02:37] <Tsims> tristan@tristan-laptop:~$ chmod +x compiz-addons
[02:37] <Tsims> tristan@tristan-laptop:~$ ./compiz-addons
[02:37] <Tsims> thats what i got
[02:37] <Azelphur> Tsims pastebin dude!
[02:37] <Azelphur> no need to flood out the channel :p
[02:37] <Azelphur> what happened when you typed ./compiz-addons? use pastebin.com this time
[02:38] <Tsims> http://pastebin.com/H5BxUjtH
[02:38] <Azelphur> unless it's <= 2 lines
[02:38] <Azelphur> hehe, what happened after that though?
[02:39] <Tsims> wait a minute i tried it again and different stuff happened lol
[02:39] <Tsims> hang on
[02:39] <Azelphur> yea it should ask you if you want to install anaglyph
[02:39] <Azelphur> and if you just press a you get all the unsupported plugins
[02:39] <Azelphur> which is fun.
[02:40] <Tsims> yeah its gonna take like 10 minutes to download because of my internet connection
[02:40] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:42] <Tsims> http://pastebin.com/Zu40g3ys This is what I've got so far (download time obviously not accurate)
[02:44] <johnjohn101> azelphur.  will compiz 0.9.0 be supported soon?
[02:44] <Azelphur> hehe, installing the dependencies it needs to build
[02:44] <Azelphur> johnjohn101: in ubuntu? I don't know, I have another script made by the same guy that automagically grabs 0.9.0 and installs it in a seperate directory so you can try it out while keeping your 0.8.6 safe
[02:44] <Azelphur> (soreau is awesome at making scripts for compiz :D)
[02:45] <johnjohn101> I guess if it's working, why upgrade.....
[02:46] <johnjohn101> do you have any idea when flash will be more stable on maverick. I keep getting flash crashes..
[02:47] <Azelphur> no idea, join the club.
[02:47] <Azelphur> my chrome keeps freezing up :(
[02:49] <Tsims> azelphur, do you want me to give you the complete terminal text when its done?
[02:50] <Tsims> for whatever you might want it for lol
[02:50] <Azelphur> nope, it looks like it's going :p
[02:50] <Azelphur> when it asks you if you want to install a plugin, answer with a
[02:50] <Azelphur> and it'll install all the extra plugins for you, new stuff to play with
[02:50] <Azelphur> some of it may cause compiz to crash, though
[02:50] <Tsims> oh alright
[02:50] <Azelphur> but if a plugin causes compiz to crash, then  just open ccsm and disable it, then start compiz again \o/
[02:51] <Tsims> youre the man. just so you know
[02:51] <Azelphur> haha the guy who made the script is the man, I didn't do anything :D
[02:51] <Tsims> then youre the messneger
[02:51] <Tsims> messenger*
[02:51] <Azelphur> that works \o/
[02:52] <Awsoonn> What is the name of the package that contians mesa?
[02:53] <Azelphur> Tsims bet you're gonna get wallpaper installed and find that you have exactly the same problem as me :D
[02:53] <Tsims> i bet its going to work perfectly so my head doesnt explode.
[02:53] <Azelphur> haha
[02:55] <Tsims> sheesh these plugins like to take their sweet time.. at least the text is pretty
[02:55] <Azelphur> yea, it has to compile it all
[02:55] <Azelphur> http://xkcd.com/303/ :D
[02:55] <johnjohn101> i hope they get it all fixed before 10.10 is released
[02:55] <Tsims> hahahaha
[02:56] <Tsims> thats getting saved in my awesome folder
[02:56] <Azelphur> :)
[03:01] <johnjohn101> not to be a nervous nelly but I'm noticing a lot more crashes than any other betas... I still am using the beta for my home computer
[03:01] <Azelphur> hehe.
[03:02] <Tsims> okay so its there now
[03:02] <Tsims> whats my first step in custom wallpapers
[03:02] <Azelphur> Tsims nice, so try turning the wallpaper plugin on
[03:02] <Azelphur> then drag a window around, does it go completely screwy?
[03:02] <Tsims> no
[03:02] <Azelphur> it works for you? :D
[03:03] <Azelphur> for me I get window trails :(
[03:03] <Tsims> well i added the images into backgrounds and all the workspaces are the same still
[03:03] <Tsims> so idk if it actually works haha
[03:03] <Azelphur> oh yea it will be
[03:03] <Azelphur> forgot to mention this
[03:03] <Azelphur> the wallpaper plugin will replace your desktop
[03:03] <Azelphur> meaning no desktop icons
[03:03] <Tsims> thats why i have awn
[03:03] <Azelphur> :)
[03:04] <Azelphur> lets turn the desktop off then
[03:04] <Tsims> but i didnt have desktop icons anyway so im not worried
[03:04] <Tsims> i know how to do that lol
[03:04] <Azelphur> woot, xD
[03:04] <Azelphur> in gconf, right? :)
[03:04] <Tsims> yep, then nautilus, preferences, show desktop, off
[03:05] <Azelphur> :)
[03:05] <Azelphur> so once you have your desktop turned off
[03:05] <Azelphur> you should either A) get graphical weirdness especially when moving windows or rotating the cube
[03:05] <Azelphur> B) it'll work
[03:05] <Tsims> the answer is A)
[03:06] <Azelphur> haha :D
[03:06] <Azelphur> nice to know it's not just me.
[03:06] <Tsims> fml
[03:06] <Azelphur> the silver lining is that I've been told that this is a bug in X
[03:06] <Azelphur> so with luck, there will be an X update to fix the bug soon, then wallpaper will work.
[03:06] <Tsims> thats good then
[03:06] <Tsims> ive been having nothing but problems with x
[03:06] <Azelphur> there's also a few other cool plugins for you to try, workspace naming is nice imo
[03:07] <Azelphur> freely transformable windows is nice but it's caused my system to lock up on a few occasions, so only enable that if your adventurous
[03:07] <Tsims> when i first updated it it changed my video card settings to disable X accelerated and loaded _173, and when i tried to boot it would just boot in text unless i ran in failsafe graphics mode
[03:07] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:08] <Tsims> i am glad i downloaded awn anyhow though
[03:08] <Tsims> it makes the desktop look so much nicer
[03:08] <Azelphur> I use cairo-dock myself :)
[03:08] <Tsims> then you wouldnt be able to help me with my awn problem most likely lol
[03:09] <Azelphur> hehe probably not
[03:09] <Tsims> Well thanks for all your help man, i really appreciate it
[03:09] <Azelphur> yw
[03:23] <bdogg> can someone help me out w/ rhythmbox upnp?
[03:53] <Volkodav> I add them up ...slowly....to see the xorg go nuts AGAIN.....105 % CPU
[04:03]  * Volkodav out of this misery till they fix it
[05:26] <DanaG> Great... so all I can do with my middle button is left-click or right-click.  No middle-click.
[05:27] <DanaG> Apparently it thinks my 3-button touchpad is a 1-button ClickPad.
[06:28] <systm> ok, so I just upgraded to 10.10, only thing installed other then stock is irssi, Xorg, and dwm.  For some reason, X will no longer start, any suggestions from succesful upgraders
[06:52] <systm> I keep getting in term no protocol specified
[07:05] <systm> well if anyone is even here, its because of my synaptics, i believe
[07:34] <hghj> why the hell we still have no flash oob?!
[10:04] <AlanBell> anyone else seeing libc6 dependency errors?
[10:05] <AlanBell> libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.12.1-0ubuntu2) but 2.12.1-0ubuntu4 is installed
[10:07] <gnomefreak> Installed: 2.12.1-0ubuntu4
[10:08] <gnomefreak> libc6 and libc-bin are ubuntu4 here
[10:09] <gnomefreak> doing updates now to see if there is a problem
[10:11] <gnomefreak> i dont see anything atm that would cause that error
[10:11] <gnomefreak> good morning chrisccoulson
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> hi gnomefreak
[10:11] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: what were you trying to install?
[10:12] <AlanBell> just dist-upgrade
[10:13] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: ill let it run through and see if it has issues
[10:14] <AlanBell> I can force it, I probably upgraded some interdependent bits at an unfortunate time or something
[10:14] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: dist-upgrade from lucid or just normal maverick upgrade
[10:14] <AlanBell> normal maverick upgrade
[10:15] <gnomefreak> k
[10:15] <AlanBell> I tried apt-get upgrade first, but it said there were things it couldn't do so tried dist-upgrade
[10:15] <AlanBell> well actually I tried the upadate manager first
[10:15] <bullgard4> Can you recommend a large list of changes between Ubuntu 10.04.1 and Ubuntu 10.10?
[10:16] <AlanBell> gnomefreak: I forced it, seems to be OK now, installing all the other bits now
[10:16] <AlanBell> bullgard4: the release notes
[10:18] <AlanBell> bullgard4: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[10:21] <bullgard4> AlanBell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+specs: "Sorry. Launchpad is offline for scheduled maintenance. We should be back soon. "
[10:28] <gnomefreak> yay LP is down just what i needed
[10:28] <gnomefreak> bullgard4: i already found that out :)
[10:29] <gnomefreak> Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad down from 0800-1100 UTC for a  code update
[10:29] <gnomefreak> looks to be another 1/2 hour
[10:31] <gnomefreak> no closer to 1 1/2 hours
[11:14] <fluffman> How do you add or remove a program to/from the the favorites list on the right in the new netbook edition?
[11:14] <fluffman> *on the left
[11:52] <vizlim> I'm sorry, but why after update ubuntu do 10.10 . The Enter in OS me 2 bout need enter login and password ?
[12:00] <bullgard4> istribution upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 asks: "Do you want to replace /etc/rsnapshot.conf?" What does the line mean: "@@ -24,13 +24,13 @@"?
[12:00] <bullgard4> s/istribution/Distribution/
[12:01] <gnomefreak> bullgard4: it meansan update to the conf file.
[12:02] <gnomefreak> s/meansan/means an
[12:03] <bullgard4> gnomefreak: Can you explain a relation between »conf file« and a number »-24,13«? I cannot see any.
[12:04] <penguin42> bullgard4: I can't quite remember the layout of that message but I think that's some information about the number of lines changed
[12:05] <gnomefreak> bullgard4: no i cant teh conf file was updated with major changes and if you want o keep the old one it will work but IMHO it is always better to upgrade it
[12:05] <bullgard4> penguin42: Ah! Thank you.
[12:06] <bullgard4> gnomefreak: I see.
[12:13] <[4-tea-2]> Howdy, is there currently a way for ATI users to get composite/accelerated video?
[12:13] <[4-tea-2]> (I really would like to be able to watch YouTube videos fullscreen again...)
[12:14] <[4-tea-2]> And I kinda miss that fancy Compiz eyecandy.
[12:22] <bullgard4> When distribution upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 the dist-upgrade program stopped and asked: "Do you want to replace /etc/rsnapshot.conf?" I inadvertently pressed a button, and the dist-upgrade program continued although I did not notice all text of the file replacement proposal. Where can I find a copy of the configuration file replacement proposal text?
[12:29] <penguin42> see if it has left /etc/rsnapshot.conf.something
[12:40] <bullgard4> penguin42: Before I can do that I need to configure my Ubuntu 10.10 Beta: "TERM environment variable needs to be set." Is this related to my Tilda terminal program?
[12:40] <penguin42> that's unusual - TERM should always be set
[12:41] <bullgard4> penguin42: Sometimes unusual things do happen.
[12:41] <penguin42> well they shouldn't!
[12:41] <bullgard4> Right.
[12:42] <bullgard4> penguin42: Can you suggest a procedure to set the TERM environment variable?
[12:43] <penguin42> bullgard4: Is this logging in on the console or in X?
[12:43] <bullgard4> penguin42: In X. Tilda is a GNOME program.
[12:45] <bullgard4> penguin42: 'set | grep TERM; TERM=dumb'.
[12:45] <penguin42> weird
[12:45] <penguin42> does it work in other terminal emulators like gnome-terminal ?
[12:49] <bullgard4> penguin42: In a GNOME terminal I obtain: 'set | grep TERM; COLORTERM=gnome-terminal;  TERM=xterm'.
[12:50] <penguin42> bullgard4: Then it sounds like a bug in Tilda
[12:50] <penguin42> you can just do export TERM=xterm
[12:51] <bullgard4> penguin42: Is this a good idea in the light of the 'Alternate' system?
[12:52] <penguin42> ?
[12:58] <[4-tea-2]> So you're all using NVidia cards and/or don't care for Youtube, huh?
[12:59] <penguin42> [4-tea-2]: I'm running ATI with the open driver
[12:59] <penguin42> [4-tea-2]: I don't do full screen often though
[13:05] <penguin42> actually, it just did that vid OK full screen, wasn't HD though, let me just find an HD one
[13:05] <[4-tea-2]> I get about 3-4 fps when watchin YouTube 720p or better in fullscreen with the free driver, on a 58xx.
[13:05] <penguin42> ah, I'm on the hd4xxx which I think has better support on the free driver
[13:06] <[4-tea-2]> Obviously. FML. ;)
[13:06] <penguin42> [4-tea-2]: You might try the xorg-edgers ppa that has bleeding edge free X, but I'm sure frglx will work by release - I've not tried it
[13:06] <[4-tea-2]> I've tried it, all I got is a T-Shirt with "Look at this black screen" on it.
[13:06] <penguin42> :-(
[13:07] <[4-tea-2]> Well, I'll try again in a few weeks. Thanks for the hint about the problem being related to the 5xxx.
[13:08] <penguin42> [4-tea-2]: When you said you tried it do you mean edgers or current frglx?
[13:17] <duffydack> I have no option to install fglrx in additional drivers app
[13:18] <[4-tea-2]> penguin42: the PPA
[13:18] <bullgard4> penguin42: I found a file /etc/rsnapshot.conf.dpkg-old and can now compare with rsnapshot.conf.
[13:19] <penguin42> [4-tea-2]: It would be good to bug report it anyway, and you might try asking on #ubuntu-x
[13:19]  * penguin42 goes to get breakfast
[13:20] <pmatulis> bon appétit
[13:43] <bullgard4> I need to configure my Ubuntu 10.10 Beta-Tilda: "TERM environment variable needs to be set." Is this a known bug? How to fix that?
[13:49] <bullgard4> (The GNOME terminal knows 'TERM=xterm'.
[13:49] <bullgard4> )
[14:13] <Azelphur> where has the software sources gui gone in maverick? :(
[14:49] <econdudeawesome> hi all! I have a nasty case of x being dead
[14:49] <econdudeawesome> running Ubuntu 10.10
[14:51] <censor> hi all
[14:51] <censor> i justed install 10.10 desktop amd64, but there's no openssh-server package?
[14:54] <censor> how can something so essential be missing, even in a beta?
[14:55] <penguin42> really?
[14:56] <Pici> censor: It should be there.  Have you issued an apt-get update lately?
[14:59] <censor> i just installed that box, and it was one of the first things i did - got a couple of 404, though
[14:59] <censor> well, just did it again, and now it's there
[14:59] <G_A_C> it's definitely present on my Ubuntu laptop
[14:59] <censor> that's very very very strange, the box isn't even running for 10 minutes now
[15:00] <censor> maybe the mirror had problems
[15:00] <censor> anyways, working now... sorry for the fuzz
[15:05] <bullgard4> How to configure my Ubuntu 10.10 Beta-Tilda: "TERM environment variable needs to be set." Is this a known bug? How to fix that? '~$ export TERM=xterm' did not help. (The GNOME terminal knows 'TERM=xterm' though.)
[15:08] <vbabiy> Hey has the latest updates broke the ability to login?
[15:08] <penguin42> vbabiy: Not here; what are you seeing?
[15:08] <vbabiy> every time I try to login it kicks me back to gdm
[15:09] <penguin42> ok, so thats probably an X server dieing or similar
[15:09] <penguin42> vbabiy: Can you log in at the text console?
[15:09] <vbabiy> I have this happen before the only way to fix it remove my /home dir and create a new one.
[15:09] <vbabiy> penguin42, nope nothing
[15:09] <vbabiy> I have to go in to recovery mode
[15:09] <penguin42> so what happens if you ctrl-alt-f1 and log in ?
[15:10] <vbabiy> black screen with with a blinking cursor in the top right
[15:10] <vbabiy> no request for username or password
[15:10] <vbabiy> so I can't login
[15:10] <penguin42> oh
[15:10] <yofel> and on f2 ?
[15:10] <yofel> same?
[15:10] <vbabiy> same
[15:10] <vbabiy> and f7 comes back to gdm
[15:11] <penguin42> what graphics card do you have and does it have multip;le outputs?
[15:11] <vbabiy> its a laptop with nvida
[15:12] <vbabiy> and I use it sometimes with a dual monitor etup
[15:12] <vbabiy> setup*
[15:13] <penguin42> have you got the other monitor plugged in at the moment?
[15:13] <penguin42> I'm thinking the login prompt might be hiding on there
[15:16] <vbabiy> nop
[15:16] <vbabiy> nope
[15:16] <vbabiy> nope its not hiding, I have checked with both monitors
[15:17] <penguin42> vbabiy: odd; I don't know Nvidia stuff but I'm guessing it's nvidia driver related
[15:17] <vbabiy> I did have it to auto login, do you think the update broke something since it was on autologin
[15:17] <vbabiy> penguin42, I would not be surprised video drivers still suck
[15:17] <penguin42> vbabiy: If you can try and fair a login, and then boot from a rescue disc you might find something interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[15:18] <penguin42> fail a login
[15:18] <vbabiy> I will have to look at that
[15:18] <vbabiy> If i use the recovery mode and root access I can look at it then
[15:37] <yslyxqysl> hi
[15:37] <JohnHeikkila> Hello
[15:38] <javatexan> howdy all
[15:38] <yslyxqysl> there are a lot of problems in nautilus
[15:38] <yslyxqysl> 10.10 beta
[15:38] <JohnHeikkila> That's why it's beta
[15:38] <om26er> yslyxqysl, problems like?
[15:38] <om26er> ?
[15:39] <JohnHeikkila> yslyxqysl: Quote ubuntu.com: This is a beta release. Do not install it on production machines. The final stable version will be released on October 10, 2010.
[15:40] <yslyxqysl> ah
[15:41] <yslyxqysl> time to go to sleep
[15:41] <yslyxqysl> bye
[16:04] <Tsims> anyone have any idea why when i disable my desktop to change the wallpapers for each work space, my graphics freak out?
[16:06] <penguin42> can you define freaks out a bit more?
[16:07] <Tsims> nothing happens with the wallpapers, and if i drag a window around it trails
[16:08] <penguin42> I guess it sounds like either a graphics driver bug or possibly whatever does the wallpapers
[16:08] <Tsims> compiz fusion is using the wall papers, but everything else in ccsm is working fine so im assuming it must be a graphics driver bug
[16:08] <Tsims> i use an nvidia geforce with X
[16:09] <penguin42> is it compiz that does the wallpapers?
[16:09] <yoasif> does anyone have any ideas on where i could look for testers of a web based project i am working on?
[16:09] <Tsims> yeah
[16:12] <penguin42> what does it do?
[16:12] <Tsims> the wallpaper package? or what happens when i use it
[16:12] <charlie-tca> yoasif: make announcements requesting testing on mailing lists?
[16:12] <penguin42> sorry, that was to yoasif
[16:12] <Tsims> oh, sorry
[16:12] <yoasif> charlie-tca, ooh -- know of any good mailing list dirs?
[16:13] <yoasif> penguin42, it's a wiki editable news/social site
[16:14] <charlie-tca> yoasif: https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[16:14] <yoasif> charlie-tca, it's not really ubuntu related, im not sure that would be kosher, ya know?
[16:14] <yoasif> charlie-tca, it *can* be, I just don't want to annoy people
[16:14] <charlie-tca> You can still ask users if they will test it, use the ubuntu-users list
[16:15] <penguin42> yoasif: if it's the actual code behind the site then you could try freshmeat as well
[16:15] <yoasif> charlie-tca, good idea, thanks a ton! :)
[16:16] <yoasif> penguin42, sadly closed source at the moment (fear of competition :/)
[16:19] <votan> Hello, I tried to run the live image of 10.10 unr from my thumbdriver, but it shows me only "SYSLINUX 3.82 2009-06-09 EBIOS Copyrigh ..." when booting ... any ideas ?
[16:22] <EagleScreen_> votan: image wronly downloaded or wrongly burned?
[16:22] <votan> EagleScreen_ I thought of that too, so I redownloaded the image a few times on different browers and tried a total of 5 different thumb drives, no luck
[16:24] <penguin42> votan: There was a problem with images made on Lucid
[16:24] <penguin42> I don't know if that problem still exists
[16:25] <penguin42> votan: Did you create the thumb drive on Lucid?
[16:25] <votan> penguin42 I see, Although I'd think they'd correct that mistake wuite fast and I tried to redownload for a few days now, anyways, I'm going to redowload once more and try again, just to make sure :)
[16:26] <penguin42> votan: Wait
[16:26] <votan> penguin42 nop, once in Win7, once on Linux Mint 8
[16:26] <votan> although mint 8 is based on lycid
[16:26] <votan> lucid*
[16:26] <penguin42> votan: ok, I suspect mint might have the same problem as Lucid, there is a lucid-update to usb-creator https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/608382
[16:27] <votan> penguin42 that might explain why it did not work on mint, but still does not explain why it fails after i created them on Win7
[16:27] <penguin42> votan: yes, I don't know about Windows one, the other problem is apparently if the usb stick is created with a persistent option it breaks
[16:28] <penguin42> but I'm not sure where that comes from
[16:28] <votan> yeah, I had that problem with lucid, so I created them without the persitent option to begin wtih for  10.10
[16:28] <penguin42> ok
[16:42] <killer999> after today's gwibber update....a new panel indicator have appeared for gwibber....anyone else facing this?
[16:47] <Pici> killer999: iirc there was something in the changelog about it, I forget what though.
[16:48] <killer999> Pici, but its stupid to have both panel and messaging menu indicator....there should be option to turn off one
[17:29] <duffydack> Any way to get the gfx fan to slow down while i`m waiting for fglrx to become available.. its always on while using the radeon driver.
[17:30] <Abhijeet> kernel deleted how to recover it as boot menu do not shows the ubuntu boot entry in 10.10.
[17:30] <lucas-arg> im having problems with nvidia gnome+compiz is laggy
[17:34] <bjsnider> lucas-arg, there's an issue with antialiased fonts and nvidia right now. probably the same thing
[17:35] <lucas-arg> bjsnider: hope they solve it quickly
[17:36] <lucas-arg> oh yeah and pulseaudio constantly crashes on my system
[17:36] <lucas-arg> dont know why
[17:36] <penguin42> lucas-arg: Are there any errors in /var/log/user.log ?
[17:36] <lucas-arg> penguin42: didnt check it wait
[17:37] <penguin42> thats where most pa errors go
[17:38] <lucas-arg> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/491098/
[17:39] <lucas-arg> is there something wrong? penguin42
[17:40] <penguin42> lucas-arg: Nothing too unuusal in there from pulse - I get the same warnings I think
[17:40] <penguin42> (not that I can understand the lanugage they are in
[17:40] <lucas-arg> ok... then i dont know either
[17:40] <lucas-arg> the nvidia issue is buggin me a lot
[17:41] <lucas-arg> i wanted to downgrade the driver
[17:41] <lucas-arg> but i cant, theres only one in the repos
[17:41] <penguin42> you might find you have an older one if you previously had it, in your /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:42] <lucas-arg> i did apt-get clean
[17:42] <lucas-arg> so probably not
[17:43] <CardinalFang> Hey all.  10.04 to maverick "dist-upgrade".  "E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle."
[17:43] <CardinalFang> Any ideas?
[17:44] <CardinalFang> Both of new are from  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main
[17:44] <CardinalFang> x11-xkb-utils:  Installed: 7.5+1   Candidate: 7.5+5
[17:44] <penguin42> CardinalFang: Not seen that, but you should upgrade between releases with do-release-upgrade  it fixes a few things
[17:45] <CardinalFang> x11-common:  Installed: 1:7.5+5ubuntu1  Candidate: 1:7.5+6ubuntu3
[17:45] <androidbruce|lap> would there be any reason to do a clean install of maverick?
[17:45] <androidbruce|lap> i've upgraded from 10.04
[17:45] <androidbruce|lap> to the beta
[17:45] <penguin42> androidbruce|lap: You get a few things that aren't quite the same as a fresh install, but mostly it's OK
[17:45] <EagleScreen_> there is always a reason to do a clean install: upgrade is a pain
[17:45] <androidbruce|lap> upgrade seemed pretty painless to me
[17:46] <androidbruce|lap> as far as the upgrade to the beta
[17:46] <androidbruce|lap> update-manager -d select upgrade
[17:46] <androidbruce|lap> then download all the packages
[17:46] <androidbruce|lap> it's been very stable for me, i don't see many differences at all
[17:46] <androidbruce|lap> from lucid
[17:46] <CardinalFang> penguin42, Hrm, never seen that tool.  Trying it.
[17:47] <penguin42> CardinalFang: It should do the same as the update manager, but it fixes a few things that a dist-upgrade doesn't
[17:47] <androidbruce|lap> what do you guys recommend as far as creating an image of my current machines?
[17:47] <androidbruce|lap> partimage?
[17:50] <lucas-arg> androidbruce|lap: i always used remastersys...
[17:50] <androidbruce|lap> lucas-arg, oh im not familar
[17:51] <EagleScreen_> does partimage support ext4 yet?
[17:52] <androidbruce|lap> EagleScreen_, not too sure
[17:53] <lucas-arg> would be cool if ubuntu adds remastersys to the repos, i always use it to clone my current isntallation and install it on my different pcs with all software i need
[17:53] <EagleScreen_> it doesn't
[17:54] <androidbruce|lap> it's interesting that ubuntu doesn't have an imaging tool preconfigured
[18:14] <vbabiy> is ubuntu 10.10 going to have a monospace version of the ubuntu font
[18:19] <charlie-tca> vbabiy: depends on whether or not it gets done in time
[18:19] <vbabiy> charlie-tca, I really hope so
[18:19] <charlie-tca> We don't even know yet if 10.10 will get the new font
[18:22] <charlie-tca> vbabiy: bug 629622
[18:22] <vbabiy> ah thanks
[18:39] <zniavre> good evnening
[18:39] <Milos_SD> Hi
[18:39] <zniavre> does nvidia drivers 256.xx are working?
[18:39] <desu_desu> hi all, /me uses meerkat, X boots in 640x480 or something, have to manually do xrand -s 1366x768, there is no xorg.conf nor the new xorg.conf.d/ where is the config for this release xserver please?
[18:39] <Milos_SD> Is there a way to add MPD controls in ubuntu sound indicator applet?
[18:40] <penguin42> desu_desu: You can put an xorg.conf in and it will use it
[18:40] <bjsnider> zniavre, yes they are
[18:40] <zniavre> bjsnider, thnak you , do you know if 173.14.xx drivers are working?
[18:40] <bjsnider> they are not
[18:41] <zniavre> :o(
[18:41] <desu_desu> penguin42, i see but how does X get it's values , it is said to use xorg.conf.d/ which does't exist ...
[18:41] <zniavre> 173 are not updated yet to use xserver1.9 ?
[18:42] <penguin42> desu_desu: X should automatically detect your monitor and hardware and doesn't need any config file to do that
[18:44] <desu_desu> penguin42, logfiles ftw : [    18.393] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[18:45] <penguin42> desu_desu: Yeh those are mostly just things with fixes ups for known problems, I think you can create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it will still read that, and you could also create a /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/myconfig which would get read with the others (not sure if that's the right place to put new stuff)
[18:49] <desu_desu> penguin42, it does create everything concerning video new ( writing section .. etc ), logfiles is pretty verbose, i think it guesses my resolution wrong from the vga port
[19:19] <Slasher`> Hi all, I'm trying to upgrade to the Beta and get this, "Error during commit 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle.'" any ideas?
[19:33] <tetsuo----> Hello
[19:33] <tetsuo----> does anyone know how to manually configure the partions on a new graphical based install?
[19:33] <tetsuo----> i want to use brfs, so i cannot use the automatic option
[19:35] <charlie-tca> tetsuo----: there should be a selection to "manually configure" the partitions
[19:35] <charlie-tca> I think you will need the alternate image cd to use btrfs, though
[19:36] <charlie-tca> I don't know if it has been added to the desktop image
[19:37] <tetsuo----> hmm it didnt say that in the changelog
[19:38] <tetsuo----> which partitions do i have to create for ubuntu?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> two partitions for brtfs, / and /boot, as far as I know
[19:39] <tetsuo----> how big do they need to be?
[19:40] <tetsuo----> ive always just used the auto psrition in the past
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I have installed / in 4gb, but there is no room to add anything after it finishes
[19:45] <tetsuo----> i found it
[19:45] <tetsuo----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs
[19:47] <tetsuo----> aww, if you crash you have to reformat
[19:47] <tetsuo----> nevermind then
[19:49] <tetsuo----> boot wont work with ext4?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> boot should work with ext4, but you don't need a separate /boot with ext4
[19:52] <tetsuo----> ok
[20:28] <_Enchained> Hi all
[20:29] <_Enchained> I have a problem in maverick with my audio capture devices ...
[20:34] <charlie-tca> !ask
[20:36] <_Enchained> I want to capture analog stream (audio+video)
[20:36] <_Enchained> In previous version (lucid)
[20:36] <_Enchained> I used mplayer/mencoder with /dev/dsp2 device
[20:36] <_Enchained> In maverick /dev/dsp* disappeared
[20:36] <_Enchained> I tru with ALL devices found in /dev/snd/
[20:36] <_Enchained> but nothing ...
[20:37] <_Enchained> tried*
[20:37] <_Enchained> If I open "pulseaudio volume control"
[20:37] <_Enchained> I see the sound moving for my microphone input
[20:37] <_Enchained> but can't get it ...
[20:37] <Slasher`> Hi all, I'm trying to upgrade to the Beta and get this, "Error during commit 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-xkb-utils, probably a dependency cycle.'" any ideas?
[20:39] <Awsoonn> Is there an easy way to kick off a reinstall of every package on a system from cli?
[20:39] <jimlovell777> I just tried installing Maverick on an IQ770 and the live disc ran ok (graphics were messed up but enough to install) but on boot I get "panic occured, switching back to text console"
[20:42] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Any other messages? If you've got a didgy camera that might be the easiest way ?
[20:43] <jimlovell777> penguin42: I can take a picture.
[20:44] <penguin42> yeh that would be great
[20:48] <jimlovell777> penguin42: http://moontaj.com/temp/a.jpg http://moontaj.com/temp/b.jpg http://moontaj.com/temp/c.jpg
[20:51] <penguin42> jimlovell777: ok, that really shouldn't happen - general protection in init is pretty odd
[20:53] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Any idea on how to um, use the computer with Ubuntu? Of all the Ubuntu releases only one "worked" and it's been end of lifed so some of the newer packages I need aren't available.
[20:54] <penguin42> which one worked?
[20:55] <coz_> jimlovell777,  which version of ubuntu worked
[20:55] <_Enchained> nobody can help me for this audio capture issue ?..
[20:55] <penguin42> jimlovell777: It's promising that the live disc was OK
[20:55] <jimlovell777> coz_:  hardy
[20:55] <coz_> jimlovell777,  ok and what is NOT working on lucid for you?
[20:56] <jimlovell777> coz_: The computer won't boot, like now.
[20:56] <coz_> jimlovell777,  you already checked the live cd for errors  ?
[20:56] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Most of the LiveCDs will run but fail once the system is installed. Graphics are always messed up.
[20:56] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Can you boot the maverick live disc you installed from and report the bug using ubuntu-bug ?
[20:56] <jimlovell777> penguin42: I can try.
[20:57] <coz_> jimerickson_,  when you boot into the live cd and see the keyboard symbol at the bottom hit enter to get a list of options  and choose check cd for errors  if you havent done that already
[20:57] <penguin42> jimlovell777: That should capture a load of information about the machine and you can attach those pictures to the bug
[20:57] <UndiFineD> penguin42, I was thinking, a bit tricky, but could he copy the kernel form the live cd to disk ?
[20:57] <tetsuo---> hi
[20:58] <tetsuo---> ok so i managed to install 10.10, and it offered me a partial update
[20:58] <tetsuo---> i was dumb enough to click yes :(
[20:58] <penguin42> UndiFineD: I'm not sure if it's just the kernel - I suspect the boot cd passes a load of safe options but I don't know
[20:58] <tetsuo---> now i cannot use the chat client
[20:58] <jimlovell777> UndiFineD: If it helps I'm trying from a liveUSB stick this time. (made by clicking create startup disk and selecting my USB drive and the maverick iso).
[20:58] <tetsuo---> online options are greyed out
[20:59] <tetsuo---> any ideas on how to to fix any breaks the partial upgrade caused? it didnt remove anything
[21:00] <penguin42> tetsuo---: Hmm messy,  so does it all apparently work except networking?
[21:00] <tetsuo---> so far only the chat client wont connect
[21:00] <tetsuo---> empathy right?
[21:01] <tetsuo---> im on the client right now, i have internet
[21:01] <tetsuo---> just not through empathy
[21:01] <tetsuo---> using webchat
[21:01] <penguin42> tetsuo---: Oh ok, so run update-manager and see if it will do any more
[21:01] <tetsuo---> it says no more updates
[21:03] <penguin42> hmm, pesky
[21:03] <tetsuo---> run some kind of cleanup script?
[21:03] <jimlovell777> penguin42: I have the live enviroment loaded and started ubuntu-bug. What option should I select, sound, display,security,storage, or other? If I click other ubuntu-bug says I failed to include pid and closes.
[21:04] <penguin42> tetsuo---: well, it sounds more specifically like Network Manager is unhappy, and things like chat clients ask the network manager if they are online or not
[21:04] <penguin42> jimlovell777: quit it and run ubuntu-bug linux
[21:04] <tetsuo---> ok wierd
[21:05] <tetsuo---> it works if i use the mail icon
[21:05] <penguin42> tetsuo---: Wired or wireless?
[21:05] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Ok. Kernel config or other?
[21:05] <tetsuo---> i use wireless
[21:05] <penguin42> jimlovell777: other
[21:05] <tetsuo---> mail > chat works
[21:05] <tetsuo---> but but nick > available didnt
[21:05] <penguin42> tetsuo---: So the network manager icon shows you being off line ?
[21:06] <tetsuo---> maybe i misunderstood, do i need to start chatting through the " email"  icon nect to the clock?
[21:06] <penguin42> jimlovell777: When you get to filling in a title use something like   Attempted to kill init! on IQ770
[21:07] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Considered a regression? Sorry for the questions but I want to make sure this gets to the right people with the right info.
[21:07] <penguin42> tetsuo---: I don't think you should need to
[21:07] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Well, I guess so if Hardy worked for you
[21:11] <tetsuo---> well i guess it works now
[21:13] <penguin42> tetsuo---: I've seen nm get confused before like that
[21:14] <jimlovell777> penguin42: The bug page requests using ubuntu-bug -p linux. Do need to start over?
[21:15] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Oh erm I don't think I've ever had to do that, if it's telling you to you should do what it asks
[21:16] <Volkodav> is this CPU crazy usage on xorg being worked on ?
[21:16] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Nevermind, just checked ubuntu-bug help and -p just specifies the package.
[21:16] <penguin42> jimlovell777: I thought it normally figured that out if you gave it it
[21:18] <jimlovell777> Yea I just typed up the whole bug report and launchpad says there was a problem connecting to the server...
[21:20] <tetsuo---> should i let the janitor remove the old kernel stuff?
[21:20] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Pesky - if you just hit reload it should get it
[21:20] <penguin42> (Has anyone found an ocr that works well for oops screenshots?)
[21:21] <jimlovell777> penguin42: tried that 5 times now... I'll keep going.
[21:21] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Oh that's annoying - it normally sits there trying to reload every 10 seconds or so
[21:21] <penguin42> jimlovell777: It can get to something else like google I assume?
[21:22] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Yea just fine. I'm on the launchpad website but it fails to submit the bug info.
[21:23] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Damn, that's annoying
[21:24] <jimlovell777> I would just hit back and copy what I wrote and start all over again but back starts you at titling the bug
[21:25] <penguin42> jimlovell777: I wouldn't put much info in at all, get it to accept the bug, you can always add detail after ti accepts it
[21:26] <nacho> hey guys
[21:26] <nacho> anybody else having the system slow as hell?
[21:27] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Was trying that too, just got the same error. I'll start from scratch. This time I ctrl+c what I wrote.
[21:29] <jimlovell777> penguin42: BTW I just tried ubuntu-bug -p and it said -p is deprecated, someone should update the launchpad site to reflect that.
[21:29] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Sorry about this, I could tell you to create a bug against launchpad but.....
[21:32] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Same thing, just started back at the beginning and i get to the page that reloads every 10 seconds, that finishes, I type in the bug title and add a description and hit submit. That's when I get a message saying please try again.
[21:33] <penguin42> ok hang on
[21:35] <penguin42> jimlovell777: OK, it seems to be working here; I suggest either try doing it another time or, copy the URL when it asks you to enter the summary/title - and open that URL somewhere else - e.g. not the boot disc or the like and try it then
[21:35] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Or if you're comfortable give me the URL and I'll see if I can get it to go here
[21:36] <penguin42> jimlovell777: However, while you're in the livecd do a cat /proc/cmdline    and record what it's got - I'm wondering if they have any fun options for making it more likely to boot on the full install
[21:41] <jimlovell777> I got the bug reported from a different computer but didn't know to carry of the url info. How can I get the info added to my already created bug? I don't want to make a dupe or merely subscribe.
[21:42] <penguin42> what's the bug number?
[21:43] <jimlovell777> 634454
[21:44] <penguin42> jimlovell777: OK, attach those photos to the bug as attachments, and from the livecd if you can figure out how add the output of sudo lspci -v -v -v -n   and dmesg
[21:45] <penguin42> jimlovell777: As the 1st comment put a big 'sorry ubuntu-bug wouldn't upload this from the livecd' - or someone will ask you to
[21:47] <nemo> Soooo, considering making the leap again.
[21:47] <nemo> oh. no 4.0 for 10.10. that's a shame :(
[21:47] <nemo> I've been using the minefield browsers exclusively for like a year
[21:48] <nemo> odd, too, since they went w/ a beta for 3.5 release, didn't they?
[21:48] <nemo> I wonder who makes these decisions...
[21:48] <nemo> esp w/ the opengl accel that linux could benefit so much from
[21:49] <jimlovell777> penguin42: lol, well ain't that cute. output of lspci -v -v -v -n = pcilib: sysfs read vpd: read failed: Connection Timed Out.
[21:49]  * penguin42 blinks
[21:49] <penguin42> I've never seen lspci fail
[21:50] <penguin42> jimlovell777: does a plain lspci work?
[21:51] <jimlovell777> penguin42: ah chalk that one up to me being ignorant, it worked but spit that out also.
[21:51] <penguin42> still weird error
[21:53] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Ok I've got it all up on launchpad
[21:55] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Thanks for walking me through all of that.
[21:56] <penguin42> jimlovell777: no problem
[21:56] <penguin42> jimlovell777: So there are a few warnings in there; the vpd one I've never seen before on anything
[21:57] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Having said that, a few googles show other people do find that as well
[21:58] <jimlovell777> Oh wonderful, the screenshot looked right (distorted) on the IQ770 but on my computer it looks normal. So I should have taken a picture, not a screenshot.
[22:02] <penguin42> jimlovell777: OK, so it's time to see if adding any parameters to the boot line helps
[22:02] <duffydack> Is there any way I can adjust the colours with the Radeon driver, like I can using CCC with fglrx
[22:04] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Earlier I ran cat /proc/cmdline and the only things I saw were quiet no-splash, the other few options related to cd/usb detection.
[22:07] <penguin42> jimlovell777: Can you get to grub and  add   nolapic nomodeset nr_cpus=1   and see if it helps - I doubt it to be honest
[22:07] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Sure, I'm willing to try
[22:08] <penguin42> jimlovell777: I'm not sure what to try to be honest
[22:10] <jimlovell777> I had a Dell computer that acted this way and it only did it when I had a PCI graphics card installed. I had to install ubuntu with the card out. boot, blacklist intel drivers, re-install the card and then use the computer.
[22:11] <penguin42> jimlovell777: it's a bit of an odd panic though
[22:15] <votan> now i finally managed to get the 10.10 UNR image on the thumb drive to load ... now it freezes during the bootsplash, no message nothing o.0
[22:15] <jimlovell777> penguin42: I tried those grub options and it's frozen, taking a pic now.
[22:21] <DanaG> Weird... every time I wake my computer from screensaver, it very slowly fades from clear TO black, AFTER I wake it!
[22:21] <DanaG> And this fade can't be interrupted.
[22:21] <DanaG> I'd expect it to fade before, not after!
[22:22] <penguin42> DanaG: The slow uninterruptable fade is something I've seen using the normal screensaver timeout in the mavericks
[22:23] <DanaG> When I wake my thing, I expect it to give me the password dialog, pronto!
[22:23] <DanaG> s/my/the/
[22:23] <votan> is there a way to disable the bootsplash when booting from a live image on a thumb drive ?
[22:23] <penguin42> DanaG: I've not seen it on resume, although having said that my machine panic'd on resume for the first time today
[22:24] <penguin42> DanaG: I think the way the suspend/hibernate works is that it turns on the screensaver and then gets on with it, if you knock it out of screensaver quickly enough then it doesn't surprise me that it then enters screensave on resume
[22:25] <BUGabundo> evening my friends
[22:25] <penguin42> Hi BUG
[22:26] <DanaG> Rather, it's not resume from suspend, even... it's just plain wake from DPMS.
[22:27] <penguin42> oh I see
[22:27] <DanaG> I guess "wake" is not quite the right word.
[22:27] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Would it help you to see cat /proc/cmdline from the live boot?
[22:27] <penguin42> jimlovell777: I think I can see that at the top of your dmesg
[22:27] <DanaG> Ah, I see... dpms is set at 5 minutes, screensaver is set at 7.
[22:28] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Oh, ok.
[22:28] <jimlovell777> penguin42: Yea, that's it.
[22:29] <nemo> Say, does Maverick have an updated Evolution? and if so, what version of openchange is it using?
[22:29] <penguin42> nemo: See http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[22:29] <penguin42> nemo: You can lookup the version of all packages in any ubuntu version
[22:30] <DanaG> It's still weird that it fades out after mouse move, though...
[22:30] <DanaG> it should go dpms unlocked, then fade out to screensaver.
[22:30] <DanaG> Then come back on mouse move.
[22:31] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542720
[22:31] <penguin42> DanaG: It's a very annoying bug
[22:33] <nemo> huh. couldn't find openchange under libraries
[22:33] <DanaG> yeah, immensely annoying.  Happens every time I try to wake it.
[22:33] <nemo> odd
[22:33] <DanaG> Screen turns on, and then the fade OUT starts AFTER that.
[22:33] <DanaG> So for a moment, you get the desktop visible.
[22:33] <nemo> well. here's hoping it is >0.9
[22:39] <nemo> hm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/openchange/1:0.9+svn2132-1
[22:39] <nemo> (found by googling)
[22:39] <nemo> 2132 is good...
[22:55] <Foggy> hi all trying to install 10.10 notebook edition on samsung n110
[22:56] <Foggy> hanging at syslinux
[22:56] <Foggy> help (o;
[22:56] <yofel> Foggy: do you get an error about a wrong configuration value?
[22:56] <Foggy> no just blank
[22:56] <yofel> oh wait, that was fixed
[22:57] <Foggy> flashing curser
[22:57] <Foggy> after syslinux banner
[22:59] <Foggy> any idea yofel
[23:00] <votan> Foggy i had the same 5-6hrs ago, did u create ur thumbdrive on windows ?
[23:00] <Foggy> yes
[23:00] <Foggy> tried both the universal boot creator and the one of the distro
[23:02] <votan> yep, same here, I was NOT able to get any working live image via windows, tried different thumb drives etc ... I finally succeeded in creating one under unr 10.04 fully updated
[23:02] <votan> so I _suppose_ there's something wrong with doing it under windows
[23:02] <Foggy> )o;
[23:03] <Foggy> ok mate cheers
[23:06] <BUGabundo> wow
[23:06] <BUGabundo> I'm impressed with Transmission
[23:06] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it has evolved plenty
[23:07] <Ian_corne> what's so special about transmission?
[23:07] <Ian_corne> i've always used it, never used anything else :p
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ohhh Ian_corne
[23:09] <BUGabundo> I'm kinda old school
[23:10] <BUGabundo> I come from vuze
[23:10] <BUGabundo> I used yet another for a while
[23:10] <BUGabundo> but once you go Vuze you can't go back
[23:10] <BUGabundo> sure µtorrent is nice, but not floss
[23:10] <econdudeawesome> Howdy! Do y'all support 10.10?
[23:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: they do put a lot of work into it
[23:11] <econdudeawesome> I've lost xserver-xorg somehow
[23:11] <econdudeawesome> and it's not a whole lot of fun :C
[23:11] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: When you say lost how do you mean?
[23:11] <kklimonda> I love how my whole system sucks ram - I'm already under 1GB :/
[23:12] <kklimonda> main cultrips: firefox with 1.2GB and X with almost 600MB :/
[23:12] <BUGabundo> MEM | tot    3.9G | free   76.0M | cache   2.2G | buff    0.3M | slab  144.5M |
[23:12] <BUGabundo>  2323     10      0      44978K 989.4M 199.1M     0K   -48K   5% chromium-brows
[23:12] <BUGabundo>  2090      0      0         51K 774.6M 188.6M     0K     0K   5% firefox-bin
[23:12] <BUGabundo> 12851      1      0       2151K 703.6M 164.0M     0K    52K   4% gwibber
[23:12] <BUGabundo>  2285   4417      0      44978K 933.9M 151.7M     0K  -264K   4% chromium-brows
[23:12] <BUGabundo> you think FF is bad? LOL
[23:13] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: as in, I am unable to start xserver. I get some nasty errors. Specifically"
[23:13] <econdudeawesome> :
[23:13] <jjcm> oh gwibber...
[23:13] <votan> firefox with 1.2gig ? wth o.0
[23:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, 1.2GB is a little much
[23:13] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Can't argue here Mem:   8053900k total,  2409108k used,  5644792k free,   173596k buffers
[23:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and it's with all addons disabled.
[23:13] <DanaG> gwibber has never done anything but fail, for me.
[23:13] <jjcm> BUGabundo: first action on this ubuntu install: disable gwibber
[23:13] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: /dev/fb0 is not there
[23:13] <BUGabundo> jjcm: naaaa
[23:13] <econdudeawesome> not sure what that does, but it messes everything else up down the line
[23:13] <BUGabundo> I go through a lot of work to get gwibber to work
[23:13] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: What graphics card do you have? and can you paste bin /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere?
[23:13] <kklimonda> gwibber does use a lot of memory..
[23:14] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:14] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh? it just does here ;)
[23:14] <penguin42> 5GB of free ram - that's just obscene
[23:14] <jjcm> Yea
[23:14] <jjcm> Granted,
[23:14] <BUGabundo> 12851      0      0       2151K 705.0M 166.1M     0K     0K   4% gwibber
[23:14] <BUGabundo> 3rd more app
[23:14] <jjcm> I have 24GB of ram in my home system
[23:14] <penguin42> although to be fair 2.4G used is also pretty bad
[23:14] <jjcm> so
[23:14] <jjcm> no need to worry
[23:14] <Ian_corne> :p
[23:14] <kklimonda> 153.1 MiB +   3.2 MiB = 156.3 MiBgwibber
[23:14] <Ian_corne> FF uses more ram when there's more available
[23:14] <Ian_corne> right?
[23:14] <kklimonda> they do use webkit to render all its interface..
[23:14] <BUGabundo> don't all apps?
[23:14] <Ian_corne> I don't know
[23:14] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: I've lost all availablilty to cut and paste. I perhaps can DCC, but I'm on a TTY shell and not all that familiar with it
[23:14] <BUGabundo> kernel manages it like that
[23:15] <jjcm> BUGabundo: All apps *should*
[23:15] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: Try using pastebinit
[23:15] <jjcm> Wait a tic
[23:15] <Ian_corne> Well if an app is a calculator, it has a max :p
[23:15] <jjcm> this isn't #cyanogenmod
[23:15] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: It's a command line pastebin uploader
[23:15] <jjcm> BUGabundo: Stop tricking me
[23:15] <Ian_corne> haha
[23:15] <BUGabundo> AHAH
[23:15] <jjcm> I'm like, "Why the hell doesn't BUGabundo have ops..."
[23:15] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: install pastebinit and paste a content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:15] <jjcm> and, "Why is this in channel 12 in irssi..."
[23:16] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: kklimonda k I'll be a moment
[23:16] <kklimonda> BUGabundo has an op on #cyanogenmod?
[23:16] <Ian_corne> 8 for me :)
[23:16] <BUGabundo> there you go jjcm :P
[23:16] <DanaG> econdudeawesome: install gpm, and you'll get console mouse.
[23:16] <DanaG> Pastebinit is good, too.
[23:16] <DanaG> =þ
[23:16] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I'm op on about 20 #s
[23:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nice :)
[23:17] <DanaG> My gwibber never shows any messages at all.
[23:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you coming to uds?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I do manage a bunch of projects and support :)
[23:17] <Ian_corne> I don't think it's near him :p
[23:17] <BUGabundo> DanaG: *finally* its working fine here
[23:17] <kklimonda> DanaG: you are probably using some evil network like facebook
[23:17] <BUGabundo> have you untick Only Mentions ?
[23:17] <jjcm> BUGabundo: Using pidgin for irc and you're in 20+ channels?
[23:17] <BUGabundo> yes jjcm, its Pidgin
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 3 servers
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 3 µblogs bots
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 4 MUCs
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 13159   1491      0        909K 863.1M 90440K     0K     0K   2% pidgin
[23:18] <BUGabundo> see why its so big ?
[23:18] <DanaG> yeah, facebook.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> 6 years of logs and avatars
[23:18] <jjcm> BUGabundo: You crazy
[23:18] <DanaG> I don't pay much attention to it.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> tell us something new
[23:19] <Daekdroom> O.o
[23:19] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: 6 years of logs? I can never keep my logs for so long :/
[23:19] <DanaG> Argh, stupid kernel breaks my middle button, and turns it into a left or right button, depending on where my finger is.
[23:19] <Daekdroom> Pidgin and xchat together here are like what, less than 40MB xD
[23:19] <kklimonda> I always end up deleting them by accident
[23:19] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: kklimonda http://pastebin.com/zn8XqvEJ
[23:19] <kklimonda> I'm probably going to write a plugin for empathy to store them in desktop couch..
[23:20] <DanaG> My Pidgin logs are in Dropbox.
[23:20] <jjcm> BUGabundo: Eh, I guess I have irssi using 150MB right now
[23:20] <jjcm> BUGabundo: So not horrible
[23:20] <DanaG> And UbuntuOne fails miserably with it... eats 100% of one CPU core.
[23:20] <econdudeawesome> DanaG: what good is gpm? All I see is a cursor but doesn't have much use... geez I'm so newb
[23:20] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: also paste the result of dmesg command
[23:20] <econdudeawesome> kklimonda: which?
[23:20] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: you can do dmesg|pastebinit
[23:20] <DanaG> Click and drag, then right-click pastes whatever's selected.
[23:20] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I delete all of mine since 2004 _accidently_ :(
[23:21] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: What's your intel chipset ?
[23:21] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: lspci | grep -i vga    should say
[23:21] <econdudeawesome> ok
[23:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: ouch! :/
[23:22] <BajK_> what is the required minimum ram for 10.10?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> stupid win app for "cleanup"... all *.log  :((
[23:22] <kklimonda> BajK_: I'd say 1GB
[23:22] <BajK_> minimum
[23:22] <BajK_> just minimum where it starts
[23:22] <BajK_> not where it is usable ;)
[23:22] <kklimonda> oh, minium
[23:22] <BajK_> 256mb?
[23:22] <jjcm> BajK_: Probably around 128mb
[23:22] <kklimonda> BajK_: you can't install it on 64
[23:22] <BUGabundo> 512 *bare* min
[23:22] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: it runs over in the screen, not sure what it is
[23:23] <BUGabundo> for *usable*
[23:23] <Ian_corne> Anyone else having their X hang after boot?
[23:23] <kklimonda> BajK_: or rather not without swap
[23:23] <Ian_corne> Gdm screen comes up corrupt
[23:23] <jjcm> BUGabundo: I've ran ubuntu nicely on 256MB before
[23:23] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: From that lspci | grep -i vga      that should only give a line or two
[23:23] <BajK_> well lets see if it starts^^
[23:23] <BUGabundo> jjcm: not 10.*
[23:23] <kklimonda> BajK_: use alternate cd and text installer
[23:23] <penguin42> BajK_: I know on Maverick people have had a few problems with 256 or 384M
[23:23] <jjcm> True
[23:23] <kklimonda> BajK_: how much do you have?
[23:23] <econdudeawesome> ah
[23:24] <BajK_> hm ok, it started just fine but after the KDE splash I am left with an empty black screen with mouse pointer
[23:24] <BajK_> seems plasma didnt start with 128 mb :D
[23:24] <penguin42> KDE4 in 128 ?! Yeh that's pushing it a bit :-)
[23:24] <kklimonda> bah, 128 not nearly enough ffor kde
[23:24] <jjcm> BUGabundo: Yea thinking back, that was probably a warty install
[23:24] <penguin42> BajK_: Add yourself a whole chunk of swap and you might crawl through it
[23:24] <BajK_> its just virtualbox ;)
[23:24] <kklimonda> I'm not sure if you can run lubuntu with that much
[23:24] <Ian_corne> 128 is not enough to do anything useful on imo
[23:24] <BajK_> "error: out of memory, unaligned poimnter 0xf000fea5, aborted" :D
[23:24] <BajK_> when starting with 4 mb of ram
[23:24] <BajK_> *g*
[23:25] <kklimonda> BajK_: 64 is bare minimum
[23:25] <jjcm> BajK_: rofl
[23:25] <jjcm> 4mb?
[23:25] <BajK_> that's what nerds do when they're bored
[23:25] <jjcm> You got balls
[23:25] <xapel> when I open any application, it is maximized and there are no close, min, max buttons. Is that standard for 10.10?
[23:25] <BajK_> :D
[23:25] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/YqHhY0Jn
[23:25] <kklimonda> BajK_: and even then you won't be able to use alternate installer without first adding some swap
[23:25] <Ian_corne> no xapel
[23:25] <econdudeawesome> not sure which it is... sorry I'm not of more help :-/
[23:25] <jjcm> BajK_: I've gotten a full wordpress deploy running on a 64MB machine
[23:25]  * BUGabundo slaps jjcm
[23:25]  * penguin42 has had a Linux running on a 4MB machine about 12 years ago - and that was a push
[23:25] <Ian_corne> unless you're on netbook edition
[23:25] <BajK_> well I got an old laptop with 16 mb ram and then we removed the ram and had 4 mb left with windwos 95, even moving the mouse pointer resulted in long hdd activity
[23:25] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: OK, thanks
[23:25] <BajK_> ok trying with 256
[23:25] <BUGabundo> BajK_: let me guess: GPU ram?
[23:26] <econdudeawesome> xapel: sounds like you may have gotten rid of window decorations
[23:26] <BUGabundo> you need at least 16 for X
[23:26] <jjcm> ubuntu 9.10 with a running wordpress install on 64MB of ram was not easy
[23:26] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: So I think I see what's going on but I'm not 100% sure why
[23:26] <xapel> so, how do I fix it?
[23:26] <BajK_> GPU is set to 256 anyway^^
[23:26] <qwm> running maverick, and can't run any gtk apps as another user (sux)... problem started the other day, been working fine in meerkat before that. anyone experienced anything similar?
[23:26] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: can you run in your terminal "dmesg | pastebinit"
[23:26] <BajK_> ah ok, netbook shell is a bit slow but it works
[23:26] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: What kernel version are you on?
[23:26] <Ian_corne> Hell my netbook has 1GB and I find it waay to little :)
[23:26] <jjcm> qwm: What happens when you try?
[23:26] <xapel> econdudeawesome: how do I get it back?
[23:27] <econdudeawesome> xapel: it usually comes back for me when I close then reopen the window
[23:27]  * kklimonda has installed lubuntu 10.04 on old T23 and it's quite snappy
[23:27] <BajK_> ok works fine with 512
[23:27] <DanaG> Ah, every so many logins, I get gtk-window-decorator failing.
[23:27] <econdudeawesome> kklimonda: http://pastebin.com/3S9EYtGx
[23:27] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: not sure, whats a quick way to check?
[23:27] <DanaG> Netbook shell doesn't work AT ALL for me.
[23:27] <jjcm> BajK_: Using the alternate install cd, I'm sure you can get it much under that
[23:27] <Ian_corne> uname -a
[23:27] <DanaG> It hangs, before even giving me a menu.
[23:27]  * penguin42 is confused by econdudeawesome's error - to me that reads that the Intel X driver is complaining there is no KMS, but 2.6.35-20.29 has just blacklisted kms for i845g
[23:27] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: "i915 disabling kernel modesetting for known bad device."
[23:27] <DanaG> Then after vt-switch, it's solid white.
[23:27] <jjcm> BajK_: Especially if you're willing to forgo gnome for something lighter
[23:27] <qwm> jjcm: i get some error messages and core dumped, can i pm?
[23:28] <BajK_> another question, is 64 MB of graphics ram too less for 1920x1200? :D
[23:28] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: uname -a
[23:28] <jjcm> qwm: no keep it in channel
[23:28] <jjcm> qwm: Pastie your dump
[23:28] <qwm> ** (gconf-editor:25678): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name: assertion `connection != NULL' failed
[23:28] <penguin42> BajK_: No
[23:28] <qwm> **
[23:28] <BUGabundo> BajK_: VB doesn't allow 256 :S
[23:28] <qwm> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/buildd/glib2.0-2.25.15/gio/gdbusconnection.c:2170:initable_init: assertion failed: (connection->initialization_error == NULL)
[23:28] <qwm> oh, pastebin.
[23:28] <econdudeawesome> 2.6.35-20 generic
[23:28] <penguin42> BajK_: 1920x1200*4=~9MB
[23:28] <BajK_> BUGabundo: ah right, 128 ;)
[23:28] <qwm> Aborted (core dumped)
[23:28] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: you are owner of a pretty old gpu which Ubuntu doesn't like for some time
[23:28] <qwm> sorry.
[23:28] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: 2.6.35-20 generic
[23:28] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: Can you get the -19 version?
[23:28] <BajK_> penguin42: because my old pc was quite slow with Kubuntu 9.10. Pentium 4 3,2 with HT and 1,5GB ram, 64 MB graphics ram
[23:29] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: (Is it still installed?)
[23:29]  * BUGabundo wow this # just came for life after weeks dead
[23:29] <econdudeawesome> kklimonda: I hope not. I was running Lubuntu for awhile and it ran fine. penguin42 -- can I just run that from Grub? It should be
[23:29] <xapel> econdudeawesome: nope, only way to get them back is to right click on the entry in the bottom panel and select unmaximize
[23:29] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODU3Ng
[23:29] <Ian_corne> I think kernel .29 messed alot of intel stuff up, right?
[23:29] <penguin42> BajK_: Hey no one would say it was fast with a graphics card with 64MB
[23:29] <econdudeawesome> xapel: weird
[23:29] <penguin42> Ian_corne: Do you mean .20 or .19 ?
[23:29] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's getting close to the release.
[23:29] <DanaG> i8xx?  Sorry, not only does your performance not get better... now you actually get FEWER features than before!
[23:29] <Ian_corne> 2.6.29
[23:29] <votan> mh, seems the new unity interface is slower on my netbook than the old unr interface
[23:29] <BajK_> penguin42: okay :D
[23:29] <Ian_corne> that's when stuff went not so well with intel gpu's
[23:29] <xapel> econdudeawesome: is there perhaps a package that I can reinstall to fix this you think?
[23:30] <Ian_corne> gpus
[23:30] <DanaG> Intel really sucks like that.... why make a new driver that can do less than the old one?
[23:30] <DanaG> They should just fork the OLD pre-kms driver and call it i8xx.
[23:30] <BajK_> penguin42: well, but that is yesterday^^ now I have 1 GiB of graphics ram and 4 cores and it runs just fine with 2 24 inch monitors )
[23:30] <econdudeawesome> xapel: I don't know for sure. You can try playing around with different windows managers. Most likely tho it's something very simple
[23:30] <penguin42> DanaG: It's not a new driver; it's the interaction between a lot of stuff
[23:30] <penguin42> DanaG: KMS is probably the 'right' way to do stuff - but if the kernel guys are blacklisting it it really doesn't make sense
[23:30] <kklimonda> penguin42: his card is blacklisted by the kernel module.
[23:30] <kklimonda> penguin42: it got blacklisted for a reason.
[23:31] <penguin42> kklimonda: But if the X server is insisting on kms what's the choice?
[23:31] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: this explains so much. I had issues with Lubuntu 10.04 (and Ubuntu 10.04) on this machine, which is why I upgraded to 10.10 in the first place
[23:31] <DanaG> Yeah, i8xx should just have a separate driver.  Not a sucky, does-less-than-it-used-to, new driver.
[23:31] <kklimonda> penguin42: it should fall back to vesa
[23:31] <econdudeawesome> penguin42: I did a dist-upgrade without thikning yesterday and poof xserver crashes
[23:31] <kklimonda> penguin42: the fact that it doesn't seem like a bug.
[23:31] <penguin42> kklimonda: IMHO it should fall back to non-KMS
[23:31] <mikedep333> hey guys, I just enabled desktop effects on 64-bit maverick with the latest updates and now, despite my attempts to adjust pointer sensitivity, it is very sensitive
[23:32] <kklimonda> penguin42: we don't have a non-KMS intel driver in Maverick
[23:32] <kklimonda> penguin42: it got removed in this cycle
[23:32] <kklimonda> penguin42: or rather the code has been removed from the driver.
[23:32] <tetsuo--> Hello, how can i make empathy pop-up new conversation windows when people talk to me?
[23:32] <penguin42> kklimonda: Ah - that's probably a bad idea if they're blacklisting stuff
[23:32] <kklimonda> penguin42: it's either that or random crashes
[23:33] <tetsuo--> also why do i need a launchpad account to report crashes?
[23:33] <econdudeawesome> kklimonda: it was fine until the latest updates for maverick (between friday and yesterday)
[23:33] <tetsuo--> with the auto reporting tool
[23:33] <penguin42> kklimonda: did it get random crashes on the non-KMS mode?
[23:33] <kklimonda> tetsuo--: because we may have to contact you later.
[23:33] <kklimonda> penguin42: I don't think so.
[23:33] <mikedep333> has anyone else noticed this pointer speed bug?
[23:33] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: probably a new kernel blacklisted more devices. go to #ubuntu-x and ask there.
[23:33] <tetsuo--> so if i say no to the log in, the crash doesnt get reported?
[23:34] <kklimonda> tetsuo--: right
[23:34] <econdudeawesome> penguin42, kklimonda so should just try to boot from a previous kernel
[23:34] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: that's not a longterm solution.
[23:34] <Ian_corne> indeed tetsuo--
[23:34] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: sure, give it a try.
[23:34] <penguin42> econdudeawesome: An earlier kernel might work but as kklimonda says yu'll probably get random crashes
[23:34] <kklimonda> econdudeawesome: but its not like a blacklisting of your device has been a mistake
[23:34] <Ian_corne> random crashes you say
[23:34] <Ian_corne> :p
[23:34] <tetsuo--> thats unfortunate, i bet that blocks 100's of reports
[23:35] <Ian_corne> tetsuo--: reports without feedback are usually not very usable anyways
[23:35]  * econdudeawesome needs to remember /quit != /leave
[23:35] <DanaG> or /part.
[23:35] <econdudeawesome> DanaG: exactly
[23:35] <Ian_corne> or /wc
[23:35] <tetsuo--> thats true
[23:36] <DanaG> water closet?
[23:36] <econdudeawesome> Ian_corne: what is /wc?
[23:36] <Ian_corne> window close
[23:36] <Ian_corne> in irssi
[23:36] <econdudeawesome> ah
[23:36]  * DanaG /flushes the /wc
[23:36] <DanaG> Just joking.
[23:36]  * econdudeawesome laughs in the face of danger
[23:37] <tetsuo--> Why are the fonts so small in 10.10?
[23:37] <votan> econdudeawesome watch out, sometimes it slaps u in the face... :>
[23:38]  * econdudeawesome laughs in the face of painful slaps in the face. Or cowers in the corner. Depends on how many people are in the room.
[23:39]  * econdudeawesome is happy that people are willing to help him fix his problems. Awesome
[23:39] <votan> u really like /me too, dont u ? :)
[23:40] <econdudeawesome> votan: Who doesn't?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> tetsuo--- they are not
[23:45] <econdudeawesome> penguin42, kklimonda booting from the old kernel fixed the issue
[23:45] <econdudeawesome> penguin42, kklimonda at least as a workaround
[23:45] <votan> How do I add an App to the Launcher Bar on the left in UNR 10.10 ?
[23:46] <kklimonda> votan: when you launch an app and it shows up on the bar you can right-click it and select "Keep in dock bar" or something like that