[00:16] TheMuso: hey ! [00:17] TheMuso, do you know why the hda intel after boot is in mute state ? [00:18] ronoc: Does it happen every time for you? [00:19] TheMuso, not every time [00:33] TheMuso, yep it still happens [00:36] ronoc: Ok try this. Set volume to what suits, and log out. Go to a VT and make sure you have no pulseaudio processes running under your user. If you do, kill them. Then restart, and log back in, and check to see whether your volume is muted. [00:36] TheMuso, brb [00:36] ok [00:40] could someone confirm if they are still getting bug 621507? [00:40] Launchpad bug 621507 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "glib-compile-schemas fails if override files refer to non-installed schemas (affects: 46) (dups: 8) (heat: 232)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621507 === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [00:44] TheMuso, definitely a race conditon, random indeed [00:44] need to crash TheMuso [00:44] ok [00:44] good night [00:44] TheMuso, ^ [00:44] gnight. [00:51] TheMuso, could you try that bug? You just need to uninstall empathy and confirm that gcalctool still works [00:51] (and have ubuntu-artwork installed at the same time) [00:57] robert_ancell: sure [00:58] robert_ancell: I purged empathy, and can still run gcalctool. [00:58] i.e just the empathy package. [01:04] TheMuso, and ubuntu-artwork is installed? Do you get a warning from apt about an override file referring to emapthy [01:04] robert_ancell: Hang on, I haven't updated today. Let me do so and check again. [01:12] robert_ancell: I do get this when removing empathy. [01:12] Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0 ... [01:12] No such schema `org.gnome.Empathy.conversation' specified in override file `/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ubuntu-artwork.gschema.override', ignoringProcessing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... [01:12] robert_ancell: no I don't get that error you speak of. === awalton_ is now known as awalton__ [01:13] robert_ancell: I also get that override message, and gcalctool still works for me after purging empathy. [01:14] RAOF, TheMuso, thanks, someone is convinced in the bug report it's not fixed. Just wanted to check I wan't crazy :) === nigelb_ is now known as nigelb [03:20] join #cakephp [03:20] errr === zyga-kids is now known as zyga === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away [04:45] RAOF: Seems the problem has been found WRT pulse muting audio etc etc. Its a race between whether pulse quits before the alsa stop process is run to store and mute levels. The shutdown sequence is too fast for its own good. :S [04:46] * TheMuso can't believe why he didn't think of it before. [04:46] TheMuso: Awesome! [04:47] RAOF: Yeah, its just a matter of fixing it now. [04:47] In my mind, such things are a good case for the shutdown process to be linear. [04:48] Anyway, its only really because we have 2 systems arguing over volume control,' [04:51] Hm. When did gnome-display-properties break, and why? === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [05:08] Ah. Fixed in 1:2.31.91-0ubuntu2 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:51] * ara hugs kenvandine for fixing gwibber in Maverick [08:03] good morning [08:04] morning mvo [08:04] mvo, could you upload a new version ohttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sessioninstaller/+bug/612140f sessioninstaller: [08:04] glatzor: ! [08:04] Launchpad bug 612140 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "session-installer crashed with AttributeError in InstallPrinterDrivers() when setting up a printer (affects: 15) (dups: 3) (heat: 90)" [High,Fix committed] [08:04] * mvo hugs glatzor [08:05] * glatzor hugs mvo too [08:05] glatzor: sure, I'm happy to do the upload [08:05] thanks [08:05] mvo, but there isn't any way to map printer drivers to packages in Ubuntu yet? [08:08] glatzor: can't jockey help here? [08:09] I will ask tkamppeter [08:09] glatzor: or pitti [08:09] mvo, what happened to the software-updater project? It was removed from launchpad? [08:10] glatzor: no idea [08:10] glatzor: its and471 baby [08:11] glatzor, movo: Note that pitti is on vacation until Sep 13. [08:12] mvo, are there any further issues that you need to get addressed to in aptdaemon? I have got one day off today. [08:14] glatzor: no, I think aptdaemon is fine now (as far as I am concerned :) [08:14] glatzor: I will add simulate to the s-c next [08:15] glatzor: a release for final would be nice ;) [08:16] mvo, do you want to have the UpdateCachePartially in for maverick? [08:20] glatzor: that would be cool, its not essential, but it seems like its a nice and very low risk feature [08:20] mvo, ok I will merge it [08:21] thanks! [08:41] woaw vish, touching old old bugs :) [08:42] didrocks: hehe.. yeah.. apt bugday today :) [08:42] vish: keep in mind that launchpad will be off for 3 hours this morning :) [08:43] oh..! its like the forced-typing breaks ;) [08:43] heh, time to do more local testing! :-) [08:44] vish: I'm fixing the "hide on close" for rhythmbox btw. I'm wondering if w should do the same (hiding the app), instead of just minimizing it. [08:45] * vish looks at RB.. [08:48] odd! Ctrl+w in Lucid does nothing! but is in the menu as "Close" [08:48] but in maverick, the menu item is not there but minimizes.. [08:48] didrocks: is it one of our indicator changes? [to minimize?] [08:49] vish: no, it isn't, it's in the core rhythmbox in maverick [08:49] vish: well, in any case, changing that to "hide", at close makes sense. will do that [08:49] didrocks: weird, why they changed it.. but ctrl+w is sane to "close" yeah :) [08:50] right :) [08:54] mvo, what do you think about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/631619 [08:54] Launchpad bug 631619 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Authentication dialog doesn't make sense when purchasing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [08:55] glatzor: here is one that is a bit odd https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/628823 [08:55] Launchpad bug 628823 in software-center (Ubuntu) "password request for proxy access everytime the install button is clicked (affects: 1) (heat: 583)" [Low,New] [08:56] glatzor: #631619> yeah, the dialog text should be different I guess, but how can this be archived? [08:56] glatzor: from aptdaemons POV its "add-repo, add-key, update, install" [08:56] mvo, this is correct. in the discussion about the privileges reorganisation we decided to not allow any user to set a proxy per transaction by default. [08:56] glatzor: wasn't the idea to remember the priv though? [08:57] mvo, pitti suggested that the system proxy settings should be used [08:57] ok, fair enough [08:58] mvo, so the default policy for set-proxy is auth-admin [08:58] can we just use _keep? [08:58] mvo, you should not set it in software-center at all [08:58] aha, ok [08:59] :) [08:59] that is easy to fix ;) [09:00] hey there [09:01] mvo, back to the install-purchased-privilege: s-c authenticates for the new privilege before calling add-repo, update-cache, and install-packages [09:01] mvo, aptdaemon would check for install-purchased instead of e.g change-repositories in update-cache [09:01] seb128: You came at a time when LP is going down :((((( [09:01] glatzor: yeah, that is a good idea. maybe we can give it a generic name? install-from-new-repo? [09:01] bilalakhtar, I know about lp being down today [09:01] glatzor: unless you are fine with install-purchase [09:02] mvo, install-purchased would allow to perform add-repo, updatecache(partially?) and installpackages [09:02] glatzor: or alternatively I can distro patch [09:02] bilalakhtar, it's done for 3 hours [09:02] glatzor: yep [09:02] salut seb128 [09:02] seb128: :( [09:02] lut didrocks [09:02] quick session restart after upgrades brb [09:05] mvo, in the end we would need two privileges, I would like to add a generic install-packages-from-new-repo, and I am ok with an additional install-purchased-packages too to cover the canonical case [09:06] glatzor: ok, that sounds like a plan [09:06] install-packages-from-new-repo would e.g. apply for installing codecs [09:06] * mvo nods [09:07] aha, launchpad down [09:07] re [09:07] mvo, perhaps juliank will rip out the privilege in Debian but that is ok too [09:07] mvo, yes for 3 hours... [09:07] 3h ? [09:07] :( [09:07] and I can't bzr commit in that time? [09:07] mvo, yes, they do server updates [09:07] mvo, you can locally I guess [09:07] mvo, you can't pull or push though [09:07] Code hosting should be up, mvo [09:07] seb128: ^^ [09:08] weird [09:08] usually that goes down as well [09:08] since it was updated recently [09:08] especially on server updates [09:08] hum, ok [09:08] readonly ? [09:08] bilalakhtar, thanks [09:08] I just tried to commit with no luck [09:08] mvo, it's down for 1.5h [09:08] seb128: crowberry was upgraded a week ago [09:08] then readonly for 1.5hour [09:08] didrocks, hey [09:09] hey seb128 [09:09] how are you? [09:09] robert_ancell, there? [09:09] I'm fine thanks, just had the time to do my morning tasks before launchpad is down :) [09:09] last comment 3 minutes before it stopped! just in time :) [09:09] and you? [09:10] tetrinet anyone ? [09:10] mvo, ;-) [09:10] (just kidding) [09:10] mvo: ahah [09:10] didrocks, I'm fine, will be a boring morning without launchpad [09:10] right… [09:10] didrocks: lol - the french style ! [09:11] glatzor: I removed the proxy stuff [09:11] glatzor: let me know when the other bits land, I will add the code in s-c then :) [09:12] dpm: I had to add a new string to s-c to fix a bug (rather important one) - I need to mail ubuntu-translators and applogize, right ? [09:12] robert_ancell, stop hidding ;-) [09:13] aha, robert_ancell - is vte fixed ? 91_keep_fds ;) ? [09:13] hrm, hrm, bzr pull does not work for me, 503 [09:14] mvo, I uploaded it, the patch was tricky to apply. It appears to work, but please review [09:14] lol [09:14] he's there, just ignore me! [09:14] mvo, yes, and after apologizing, you should ask them if they ever let you code for Ubuntu again :P [09:14] mvo, now more seriously, if the fix is for an important bug, or if it makes strings translatable that they weren't again, simply send a notification e-mail. But before that, which bug was it? [09:15] robert_ancell, hello there, how are you doing? [09:15] robert_ancell, tomorrow is your last day for this cycle? do you have any remaining task? [09:16] * didrocks understands know the /ignore yesterday :p [09:16] dpm: it was bug #554319 - there was no check and no message if installing a new app caused the removal of a existing one [09:17] mvo: Bug 554319 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/554319 is private [09:17] seb128, no, I'm avoiding taking on anything too big :) I'm just uploading the latest cdrdao, which is the last important bug in my queue [09:17] robert_ancell, nice [09:17] robert_ancell: excellent, thank you very much! I will test/review shortly [09:18] robert_ancell: next cycle I can look into adding the needed bits to pyhton-vte to make the patch unneeded, that is going to be much cleaner then [09:18] robert_ancell, what do you plan for tomorrow? should I still try to find you some bugs to work on? [09:18] mvo, sorry about that, I thought that upstream had fixed it in a different way. The code changed a lot there and there was something in the NEWS that indicated they'd fixed something there [09:18] robert_ancell, we didn't do a great job at listing bugs for the release this cycle [09:18] robert_ancell, I've tried to assign you enough to let you pick some and keep busy [09:18] seb128, yeah, point me at some stuff, I'll pick some quick ones if I can [09:19] not sure I picked right though ;-) [09:19] robert_ancell: yeah, with the C api its all fine, but it seems to be not yet possible with pyhon, a simple-matter-of-programming, I'm sure, but for N :) [09:19] robert_ancell, ok, I will assign you a bunch of things do those you feel like being able to do [09:20] didrocks, I don't know if that's due to you bug evo is a piece of crap for some days there [09:20] seb128: really? I don't have any crash there [09:21] it sometime stop doing anything [09:21] seb128: do you think it's because of 2.30.3? [09:21] like stay on fetching email for ever [09:21] and closing it doesn't work it hangs as well [09:21] well I didn't have any issue like this in a while [09:21] but I've to kill it like 10 times a day since this week [09:22] hum, I just updated the stack to 2.30.3 and redo the express patch… [09:22] oh that's bad [09:22] I was mentionning it in case you noticed something [09:22] I will talk with the upstream guys [09:22] no, I have nothing like that :/ [09:22] seb128, oh, what do you think about bug 494311 - it looks like a patch we are carrying on rdesktop breaks a caps lock and numpad in a lot of cases. There are a lot of calls to remove the patch (debian etc are not carrying it). I don't know enough to make a good call - the patch has definitely caused a regression, but removing it may cause problems for people using multiple keyboard layouts (which was the reason for the patch [09:22] in the first place I think) [09:22] robert_ancell: Bug 494311 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494311 is private [09:22] I got one crash since the update and evo is running 10 hours a day there… [09:23] ubot2, you lie, you are just offline! [09:23] robert_ancell: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:23] bug 494311 [09:23] seb128: Bug 494311 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494311 is private [09:23] stupid bot [09:23] LP just went offline [09:24] ok [09:24] what was the purpose of the change to start? [09:24] My feeling is we do remove it, because there are a lot of complaints about it, and no-one else has the patch [09:24] seb128, bug 251709 [09:25] robert_ancell: Bug 251709 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/251709 is private [09:25] robert_ancell, ok, do it [09:25] robert_ancell, btw did you try your pitivi update? [09:25] mvo, it should be fine to just send a short notification message mentioning the bug and the new strings. Thanks! [09:25] robert_ancell, you should really start testing or running at least things once before uploading [09:25] seb128, yes, problem? [09:25] like one of the updates you did this week didn't ship the gsetting schemas [09:26] which means crashed on start [09:26] robert_ancell, not sure I will need to check, slomo and #pitivi guys pinged me about it this week [09:26] seb128, oh, which one was that? [09:26] robert_ancell, it apparently requires some gstreamer changes which are not in the current version [09:26] I'm not sure how it would show up though [09:27] oh, it loaded fine and played a video I imported [09:27] slomo, there? [09:27] robert_ancell, gnome-bt it was I think [09:27] which didn't have its gsettings schemas [09:29] sorry [09:29] no worry, you get a lot done and it's ok to have some glitch in unstable cycles [09:29] cdrdao doesn't want to compile :( No upload today [09:30] you used the debian version for the update? [09:30] well maybe tomorrow then ;-) [09:30] let me your work in progress tomorrow before leaving if you don't finish it [09:30] seb128, yeah, we have one patch for arm [09:30] sure [09:30] robert_ancell, was there anything left on your list? [09:30] or things I should take care of? [09:30] for maverick? [09:30] not sure if we will catch up tomorrow or not [09:31] yes [09:31] I will do the shotwell update when they roll it [09:31] did you still want to get the new anjuta in? [09:31] nothing from me [09:31] was that blocked on somebody to help on the issue you had? [09:31] sorry I didn't really manage to take time for that one [09:32] seb128, I haven't filed a bug on it, it only occurs when builddir != srcdir. There were a number of similar issues which I provided patches for so I don't think upstream builds like that. I'm confused to what's happening, I'll file a bug tomorrow with what I know [09:32] it's a GIR dependency issue or something [09:32] robert_ancell, ok [09:33] why does anjuta needs gir? [09:33] I think it uses it for autocompletion? But I'm not sure. [09:33] seb128: yes [09:33] slomo, was there any issue with the new pitivi and our current gst version? [09:34] robert_ancell, ok, is your work in progress in the vcs? [09:34] seb128, yes, in +junk [09:34] seb128: a small one, yes. but that was broken before too, just a bit different [09:35] seb128: to get that working you only need some changes in gst-plugins-base [09:35] seb128, is pitivi crashing for you now? [09:35] slomo, so there is no problem doing the update? [09:35] seb128: apart from that the pitivi guys made sure that everything works with the versions in maverick [09:35] seb128: no [09:35] ok thanks [09:35] robert_ancell: does it crash for you? do you have python-gi installed? [09:35] robert_ancell, no, I was just double checking [09:36] seb128, you're just messing with me!! :) [09:36] since they asked if we could get some gstreamer changes in for it [09:36] seb128: you might want to sync gnonlin too then, it only contains bugfixes but they will improve pitivi in a few places [09:36] slomo, no, loaded and played a video for me [09:36] robert_ancell: ok, good. for me it always crashes if python-gi is installed but that's happening since a long time now already :) [09:37] seb128: if you want i can give you the -base commits btw [09:37] slomo, what would it change? [09:37] ok, gtg, see you guys in 4 weeks! [09:37] robert_ancell, or tomorrow ;-) [09:37] robert_ancell, have fun, enjoy your holidays! [09:37] seb128, are you getting up early? ;) [09:37] robert_ancell, not especially [09:37] robert_ancell, but I might be up late [09:37] robert_ancell, it catch you on your day start [09:37] heh [09:37] it -> ie [09:37] and give me one last whipping :) [09:38] I'm on holidays next week as well [09:38] and I want to finish some things today and tomorrow [09:38] right ;-) [09:38] seb128: gnonlin or the -base commits? [09:39] the base commits [09:39] I will do the gnonlin sync on debian [09:39] I'm not sure if we should do the base change though [09:40] seb128: it adds a property to videoscale to add black borders if necessary to keep the display aspect ratio. without this you need to make sure that the width/height in the project settings is correct... or it will be slow and/or squeeze the video a bit :) [09:42] seb128: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/log/gst/videoscale/gstvideoscale.c the 2010-07-18/19 commits and the 2010-08-11 commit [09:43] seb128: not really small changes though... but fairly trivial [09:46] slomo, thanks [09:46] non trivial change [09:46] that will probably be for next cycle [09:48] ok [09:50] seb128: those changes are not doing anything usually btw... you have to explicitely set a property to go through most of the new code paths ;) [09:51] if you want to backport them you are welcome ;-) [09:51] I might have a go to it [09:51] but it's low priority on my list and I'm on holidays start next week [09:51] with lot of other things to do [09:51] ok, i was planning to add them to the debian package anyway [09:51] but if somebody wants to pick up the task ;-) [09:51] slomo, great, I will sync if you do that ;-) [09:51] thanks! [09:52] seb128: ok, i'll tell you when it's uploaded :) [09:53] thanks [09:54] seb128: do you think you will have some time today (when launchpad will be online again) to ack the syncs for ldb, tevent, samba4? (openchange has been already done by cjwatson). I'll be able to point you to the bug reports [09:54] the latest ldb avoid a new dep on tdb (which is in main) [09:55] all are in universe and mostly used by samba4/openchange [09:55] this will enable me to update evolution-mapi to 2.30 (merge from debian) to get it working [09:58] didrocks, ok [09:58] Where can I file bugs about wording on releases.ubuntu.com? [09:58] seb128: thanks :) [10:02] lucidfox: ubuntu-cdimage [10:03] danke [10:03] Bitte. [10:04] schön [10:05] Laney: Du kannst schön sein. [10:07] seb128, the latest vala package can not compile unity... did you include the patch I made to fix this? [10:07] kamstrup, no [10:08] kamstrup, the patch you did was pointing to a bugzilla bug which is closed and where you said it's fixed since 0.9.4 [10:08] so I figured since I had no testcase and you said that was fixed that the patch was not useful and a leftover [10:08] seb128, oh, crap, right... it was because the test case I had for the bug was fixed, but it still botches it on Unity [10:09] seb128, I couldn't figure what the difference between my test case and the unity code is [10:09] but apparently there is some difference :-) [10:09] ok [10:09] I will add it back [10:09] could you open a bug upstream though? [10:09] thanks - sorry for the mess [10:09] seb128, sure thing [10:09] np, sorry for creating issues [10:09] I should have pinged before [10:09] but I figured that we would notice and add back if it was required [10:09] there we are ;-) [10:10] good morning everyone [10:10] hey chrisccoulson [10:10] chrisccoulson, nice work on the gcc bug! [10:10] hi seb128, how are you? [10:10] I'm fine [10:10] thanks! [10:10] I figure what was breaking my screen [10:11] oh, what was it? [10:11] ie for a week when starting my laptop docked with lid closed the monitor is off as well [10:11] it's the g-s-d update [10:11] I've downgraded to 2.30 and it works [10:11] now I need to figure what commit broke it [10:11] or first to check the recent changes federico added to trunk [10:12] yeah, that should be a bit easier now hopefully :) [10:12] and see if that's still an issue [10:12] i should try it here too, but having the lid closed isn't a configuration i usually use [10:12] you use 2 screens? [10:12] good morning chrisccoulson [10:13] seb128 - yeah, i use 2 screens when docked [10:13] hi didrocks, how are you? [10:13] seb128, reopened with a comment [10:13] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks! [10:13] kamstrup, thanks [10:14] hey mvo, do you know where the strings shown during installation on these screenshots come from ("Copying files", "Retrieving blah, blah...") ? They are all untranslated, and I'm wondering if they come from aptdaemon and if that is indeed a bug or aptdaemon just needs to fetch translations from LP: [10:14] http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/screenshots/installation-6.png [10:14] http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/screenshots/installation-10.png [10:15] hmmm, having no launchpad is a pain :( [10:15] chrisccoulson, ok [10:15] chrisccoulson, how are you btw? ;-) [10:15] chrisccoulson, yeah :-( [10:15] seb128 - yeah, i'm good thanks [10:15] dpm: that comes from python-apt/libapt [10:15] i guess i should go and grab some coffee whilst there's no launchpad [10:16] dpm: I *think*, I'm not much of a installer-hacker [10:16] chrisccoulson, that's a lot of coffee it's still down for 15minutes then in readonly for 1h30 [10:16] i suppose read only isn't so bad, as long as i can get read access to my branches [10:18] I'm not sure you can pull during readonly [10:18] mvo, ok, thanks, I'll check the python-apt/libapt templates once LP is back. Do you think this could be plausible? I.e. that the packages only need to fetch translations, rather than a bug? Do you usually fetch translations for them? [10:18] I think readonly means web readonly [10:19] dpm: the ubuntuone email in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail isn't the same than the one is the patch [10:20] didrocks, don't tell me the ubuntuone guys have changed it :( [10:20] that's the one Matt Griffin sent me [10:21] dpm: at least, I see different stenza organization, and one additional sentence [10:21] rodrigo_: when you will be there, can you check? (your evolution ubuntuone email isn't the same than in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail) [10:22] didrocks, we'll just either break translations or piss translators off if we change it now. Let me send an e-mail to Matt and CC you. Can you give me a diff? [10:22] didrocks, hmm, ok, let me see [10:22] dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/490846/ [10:23] dpm: the organization isn't the same (not a big deal, I think) [10:23] but at least, we have: [10:23] +Evolution is better with Ubuntu One - the personal cloud that brings [10:23] +your digital life together. [10:23] rodrigo_: you will be in charge of adding l10n too, right? (refreshing the page) [10:23] didrocks, dpm: well we can just include the wiki translations even if they don't match the english text [10:23] don't match perfectly the english text [10:24] didrocks, we decided not to add the intltool stuff this cycle [10:24] didrocks, I am going to send it upstreamfor next gnome cycle [10:24] rodrigo_: not adding the intltool stuff, just merging languages [10:24] seb128: yeah, it still makes sense [10:24] rodrigo_, right, we decided to collect all the translations and add them in the patch for this cycle rather [10:24] didrocks, ah, and what am I supposed to do? [10:24] didrocks, which are exactly the differences though? IIRC, the sentence you are mentioning is already in the message in the wiki [10:25] oh, LP is off [10:25] dpm: "Ubuntu One does more than sync your files - whether you need to…" [10:25] dpm: I don't find that in the wiki page [10:26] rodrigo_: taking the translation in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail/ and adding them to the patch, I guess [10:26] didrocks, that's different from what you copied before [10:27] didrocks, ok [10:27] seb128: yeah, because I found the other sentence finally in the wiki too, not easy to make a diff there [10:27] but I don't find this one [10:27] bl8: hey [10:28] didrocks, I'm a bit lost to what the differences are now. Can you post a diff with the differences in the translatable text somewhere? [10:28] dpm: let me try to get something [10:28] cool [10:29] ronoc: Hey ! [10:30] bl8, so I asked bratsche to try out banshee with the sound menu last night but he also could not get to register [10:30] *it [10:31] morning [10:31] bl8, bbi 10 [10:32]