[03:51]  * persia doesn't understand all the fuss about making special PPAs: we have an archive for a reason: we should use it if we have "official" stuff.
[04:17] <ScottL> it's because it's immediate, you can update or backport almost immediately, but mainly i expect because applications can be hosted that can't be put into the official archives
[04:32] <ScottL> crimsun_, TheMuso:  can either one of you give a quick explanation which direction you think audio permissions might be headed in future releases ?
[04:32] <ScottL> the catalyst for this question comes from this mail:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-September/002549.html
[05:17] <TheMuso> ScottL: Getting as much to use consolekit/rtkit as possible.
[05:24]  * persia has concerns about the legality of distributing anything that can't be put into the official archives.
[05:25] <persia> For the immediacy, at least I wouldn't want to support anything that didn't have at least some control on updates: the processes in Ubuntu are designed to avoid support pain, not make it hard to support.
[09:15] <quadrispro> hi all
[09:16] <quadrispro> persia, no response from martin
[09:16] <quadrispro> I've tried to ping him yesterday, maybe he was busy
[09:17] <persia> I think he has sporadic access.  Maybe email?
[09:23] <quadrispro> right
[09:24] <quadrispro> damn, launchpad has gone down
[09:25] <persia> For about 3 hours
[09:27] <quadrispro> ah! didn't know that, ok
[09:27] <quadrispro> I've uploaded a fixed version of jackbeat
[09:28] <quadrispro> it failed to build on {amd64,i386}
[09:28] <persia> Ouch!
[09:30] <quadrispro> persia, have you read my email about simple-scan in u-devel-discuss?
[09:40]  * persia does so now
[09:41] <quadrispro> I know, I've sent it to the wrong ML...
[09:48] <persia> Why the wrong ML?
[09:48] <persia> Oh, yeah.  That belonged on ubuntu-devel@  robert_ancell should not have done that.
[09:48] <quadrispro> maybe u-devel was the right ML
[09:48] <persia> And he just dropped off IRC 10 minutes back, so hard to twit about it right now.
[09:49] <persia> But yeah, continue with your merge: overwrite his work.
[09:50] <persia> He deserves no credit for that.
[09:50] <quadrispro> yes, but I'd like to get a bit of collaboration from that kind of upstream...
[09:51] <persia> he's often about, and spends a lot of time in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-desktop.
[09:51] <persia> catch him for a chat.
[09:52] <quadrispro> I will try (one more time)
[09:53] <persia> I wish you the best of luck.  Let me know how it goes either way.
[09:53] <persia> My timezone matches his better, so maybe I can help if things aren't going smoothly.
[09:53] <quadrispro> of course I will
[18:21] <falktx> abogani: i want to talk to you
[18:22] <falktx> abogani: about how realtime/lowlatency can affect a laptop's battery
[18:56] <falktx> abogani: ping me some other day, ok?